DHB How Does He Keep Making The Roster ?

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Specially with the talent we had at WR this year ? His hands aren't much better at all then Coates we traded away. His only quality at WR is his speed but how much does that matter when he can't come down with the ball ? Okay so he supposed to be a great locker room guy and a beast on ST. Why if he is so good at ST with his speed he is not even considered to return kickoffs ? To me wasted roster space.

[ALLD]

He is supposedly a good force in the locker room. He can also play WR and STs and is one of the quickest players on any field.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

He is supposedly a good force in the locker room. He can also play WR and STs and is one of the quickest players on any field. Yea guess he doesn't stab anybody or masturbate on anybody in the locker room so he has that gone for him.

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I'm not arguing his speed but then why is he not worthy at kick return ? Coaches don't trust his shaky hands ?

[polamalubeast]

We need DHB,because the steelers is a team with a lot of ego in their locker room!:rolleyes:

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

We need DHB,because the steelers is a team with a lot of ego in their locker room!:rolleyes: That is actually the only thing I can understand why he is kept.

[BlackAndGold]

Special teams.

[Mojouw]

Think of each position group as its own little unit. Heyward is clearly the leader of the DL. Harrison leads the LBs. Mitchell and Gay the DBs. Pouncey the OL. Until this year it was likely DWill at RB.

Take DHB off the roster and who "leads" the WRs? AB has a great work ethic and plays hard, but he is a dumbass. The rest are young or Justin Hunter.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Special teams. Point if he is so good at it why not a kick return ? Also ST is overrated now with the new kickoffs rules.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Yea guess he doesn't stab anybody or masturbate on anybody in the locker room so he has that gone for him.

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I'm not arguing his speed but then why is he not worthy at kick return ? Coaches don't trust his shaky hands ?

Yup, he couldn't catch a cold in January at a daycare. Never mind catching a football.

Maybe Tomlin recruited him at some point as DHB is from the Baltimore area and Tomlin is a Virginia beach guy. Tomlin had a man crush on Mike Vick and seems to have one on DHB. Justin Hunter is also from Va beach, so he checks the box too in that category as a guy that gets another chance.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Think of each position group as its own little unit.

Take DHB off the roster and who "leads" the WRs? AB has a great work ethic and plays hard, but he is a dumbass. The rest are young or Justin Hunter. Lets just sign Hines as a back up WR coach then and that will free up a roster spot for someone who can actually benefit from his play on the field.

[BlackAndGold]

Point if he is so good at it why not a kick return ? Also ST is overrated now with the new kickoffs rules.

How about punts? DHB is one heck of a gunner, he gets down the field fast which can lead to a fair catch or a tackle.

ST is overrated until someone is taking it back for a TD(look back at the 09' season).

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

How about punts? DHB is one heck of a gunner, he gets down the field fast which can lead to a fair catch or a tackle.

ST is overrated until someone is taking it back for a TD(look back at the 09' season). Apparently coaching staff has no faith in him returning punts because of his hands as well.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Yup, he couldn't catch a cold in January at a daycare. Never mind catching a football.

Maybe Tomlin recruited him at some point as DHB is from the Baltimore area and Tomlin is a Virginia beach guy. Tomlin had a man crush on Mike Vick and seems to have one on DHB. Justin Hunter is also from Va beach, so he checks the box too in that category as a guy that gets another chance. Hunter has upside and DHB is just taking up space. But get your point and think DHB must be one of Tomlin's buddies.

[BlackAndGold]

Apparently coaching staff has no faith in him returning punts because of his hands as well.

Matthew Slater from the Pats doesn't return punts, but his coverage on ST is great. Guy has never received a TD in his career. These players matter.

Remember Arnez Battle? he was on this team for two years because of his abilty to play teams.

You don't have to return punts to bring value at that part of the game.

[Dwinsgames]

4 tackles a year on special teams and he and Tomlin exchange valentines every year ? <shrug>

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

4 tackles a year on special teams and he and Tomlin exchange valentines every year ? <shrug> Lol truth.

[BlackAndGold]

4 tackles a year on special teams and he and Tomlin exchange valentines every year ? <shrug>

Best special teamer in the NFL Matthew Slater made 6 tackles.

[Mojouw]

4 tackles a year on special teams and he and Tomlin exchange valentines every year ? <shrug>

C'mon. You know better than that. Tackles are not the end all be all. I know you watch every game and likely multiple times. How often is DHB the first guy "in" on the returner forcing a fair catch, pushing the returner towards the help tacklers and away from the preferred running lane, etc.

DHB is a great ST's player. The real debate, for me at least, is how much that matters with the kicking/return game going the way of the dodo due to rule changes.

Also, DHB exchanges valentines with Colbert and most of the Rooney family as well. Dude is smart - covers all the bases.

[BlackAndGold]

C'mon. You know better than that. Tackles are not the end all be all. I know you watch every game and likely multiple times. How often is DHB the first guy "in" on the returner forcing a fair catch, pushing the returner towards the help tacklers and away from the preferred running lane, etc.

DHB is a great ST's player. The real debate, for me at least, is how much that matters with the kicking/return game going the way of the dodo due to rule changes.

He doesn't return punts though.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

He doesn't return punts though. Nor kicks but we establish he does return Valentine cards though.

[BlackAndGold]

Nor kicks but we establish he does return Valentine cards though.

Glad you know how ST works.

These coaches have no idea wtf they're doing, you have a future in coaching.

[Dwinsgames]

C'mon. You know better than that. Tackles are not the end all be all. I know you watch every game and likely multiple times. How often is DHB the first guy "in" on the returner forcing a fair catch, pushing the returner towards the help tacklers and away from the preferred running lane, etc.

DHB is a great ST's player. The real debate, for me at least, is how much that matters with the kicking/return game going the way of the dodo due to rule changes.

Also, DHB exchanges valentines with Colbert and most of the Rooney family as well. Dude is smart - covers all the bases.

Glad to see at the end of your post you joined in on the fun :chuckle:

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Glad you know how ST works.

These coaches have no idea wtf they're doing, you have a future in coaching. WTF does that have to do with Valentine cards or holidays for the matter ?

[BlackAndGold]

WTF does that have to do with Valentine cards or holidays for the matter ?

I do like holiday cards.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

As for ST nowadays probably 40% of punts or more are fair catches and now with the new kickoff rule 70% of them are not returnable. But his 4 tackles are good ones and better then his 4 catches on the season.

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I do like holiday cards. Lol

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By the way think DHB is a great person and same with Landry Jones. I just don't like either when they are on the field holding a spot that other players are better at.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

DHB and Landry come dirt cheap and think I answered my own question why they are on the roster.

[tube517]

DHB is a 5th/6th WR. If we are down to him at WR, we are in trouble anyways.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

DHB is a 5th/6th WR. If we are down to him at WR, we are in trouble anyways. Yep and pretty bad when we was last year and practice squad players out preformed him.

[86WARD]

He's a Leader, a Locker room guy, young guys look up to him, he's got a good football head, Special Teams...pretty much he same traits that James Harrison has.

DHB is worth having on the team before someone like Coates or Ayers.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

He's a Leader, a Locker room guy, young guys look up to him, he's got a good football head, Special Teams...pretty much he same traits that James Harrison has.

DHB is worth having on the team before someone like Coates or Ayers. Sorry not the same as JH at all who produces still on the field to this day. DHB was a 1st rd seventh pick that has done very little in this league to this day. Comparing him to a potential hall of fame player is crazy.

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By the way JH still gets the job done and why he is on the team not his guidance to younger players.

[Mojouw]

DHB draft slot is immaterial to his worth to the Steelers. They didn't pay that cost. His new benchmark is vet minimum hideout.


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[GBMelBlount]

DHB and Landry come dirt cheap and think I answered my own question why they are on the roster.

Good point.

The Steelers have definitely become more shrewd with contract negotiations in recent years.

It is the reason they were able to accomplish the 3 recent signings to upgrade big positions of need, going into the season.

[pczach]

The DHB phenomenon continues.

Everyone talks about how he plays on special teams, yet I saw Brian Allen be the first guy down on several punt coverage opportunities, and he's a hell of a lot better at CB than DHB is at WR.....and he's much younger and will get better.......and many were ready to throw Allen to the practice squad without giving it a second thought.

The reason I have stated that it is time for DHB to go is because of his inability to play WR at a professional level. When the team lost Bryant for the year, Wheaton to injury, Coates injured, and they needed someone to step up in the playoffs last year....DHB was not who they went to. They played Hamilton, Rogers, Ayers, an injured Coates, and anybody else they had available more than DHB. He was also ineffective when he did play. That's the equivalent of saying he is not one of the 9 best WR's between the 53-man roster and the practice squad guys that they bring up to the roster when guys get injured.

I get the special teams angle, I really do. But this seems to be more than that. DHB is definitely Tomlin's guy....no doubt about it. He loves the way he prepares and competes, while keeping a quality human being in the locker room to provide an example of how to be a Steeler and how to live your life away from the facility.

I love the guy, but I hope he never sees the field for anything other than kick coverage. If you're a third string LB and you get in the game, your deficiencies can be masked a little bit. A defensive coordinator can call the game differently, and teammates can help cover up mistakes or just a lack of talent.

In most situations, a WR is out in the open, with the job of beating the man in front of him. If he can't get it done, it affects every other offensive player on the field, because the defense can focus their attention elsewhere. When you select a special team specialist it's a whole different ballgame when you're talking about a skill position player that is playing in space and is expected to create opportunities for your offense when he's called upon, compared to a LB when he's asked to be on the field at their respective positions.

When a skill position player is given a roster spot because they play special teams, it should be because they are a difference maker. That is usually reserved for returners. A player that can score touchdowns and have a great influence on field position. Being a return man also means they have a special skill with the ball in their hands, and can be used in various ways on the field and are a threat from anywhere on the field.

DHB doesn't meet any of those criteria.

I understand that Mike Tomlin and the coaching staff know more about this team than I do, but that doesn't mean they made the right decision. Did it feel like the right decision last year when he couldn't help the team at WR in the playoffs again, and they brought up several young players from the practice squad and played them more than him...and they were all a disaster?

It didn't to me.

[Born2Steel]

I think DHB is here because of his value to the team. Wherever that shows up. He has no value as trade bait, and shows little value as a WR. So it must exist somewhere else. I have no idea what it could be, but I can guess. I know that veteran leadership has value with younger teams, as on the field coaching, game situation, etc. Look at the rest of our WR corps, the strength of our offense some would argue. AB, just last year FBLIVE. Bryant, say no more. Rogers, 2nd-3rd year guy. JuJu, 20 year old rookie. Hunter, skills but on 3rd team because he hasn't been able to put it all together. DHB is the glue that keeps these guys focused and competing at a high level. He doesn't cost us much for what he brings. If looking at 'on the field' ability only, he should not be here. He's here for the same reason Harrison is here. Do we expect 10 sacks/100 yd INT return from Harrison any more?

[Dwinsgames]

I think DHB is here because of his value to the team. Wherever that shows up. He has no value as trade bait, and shows little value as a WR. So it must exist somewhere else. I have no idea what it could be, but I can guess. I know that veteran leadership has value with younger teams, as on the field coaching, game situation, etc. Look at the rest of our WR corps, the strength of our offense some would argue. AB, just last year FBLIVE. Bryant, say no more. Rogers, 2nd-3rd year guy. JuJu, 20 year old rookie. Hunter, skills but on 3rd team because he hasn't been able to put it all together. DHB is the glue that keeps these guys focused and competing at a high level. He doesn't cost us much for what he brings. If looking at 'on the field' ability only, he should not be here. He's here for the same reason Harrison is here. Do we expect 10 sacks/100 yd INT return from Harrison any more?

wait a dog gone moment .... DHB and Harrison do not belong in the same story let alone same context .... Harrison has produced every year he has been here since taking over for Porter and he was still highly productive last year , there has never been a year here he wasnt productive .....

DHB there has never been a year he has been productive as a position player so lets not mix these two totally opposite ingredients and call them the same thing

a sack for a LB is equivalent to a TD for a WR

Harrison had 5 last year ( plus 2 forced fumbles an INT , a pass defensed , 39 tackles 14 assists ) playoffs 1 FF and 2.5 sacks

DHB 6 catches 114 yards 2 TDs ..... playoffs 1 catch 10 yards

[Born2Steel]

wait a dog gone moment .... DHB and Harrison do not belong in the same story let alone same context .... Harrison has produced every year he has been here since taking over for Porter and he was still highly productive last year , there has never been a year here he wasnt productive .....

DHB there has never been a year he has been productive as a position player so lets not mix these two totally opposite ingredients and call them the same thing

Slow your boil. I said they are on this team for their leadership value at their positions. Sometimes i think you look for reasons to get your back up. I never said Harrison wasn't productive, but he is not the same player as in his prime. We have let players walk that are still producing. Timmons comes to mind and I still don't like him leaving for the same reason. I wouldn't want Harrison cut either with our young OLB corps. You may need a prozac before logging on.

[Dwinsgames]

this is what you said , don't try and minimize it after the fact and then say I need prozac ... who the hell do you think you are
He doesn't cost us much for what he brings. If looking at 'on the field' ability only, he should not be here. He's here for the same reason Harrison is here. Do we expect 10 sacks/100 yd INT return from Harrison any more?

[Mojouw]

There are several teams that keep either a wr or a DB around just for their non returner value on teams. Why is this so confusing for everyone?

Now if ifs really that you wouldn't prefer the roster be constructed that way, then I can kinda see what you're getting at.

[Born2Steel]

this is what you said , don't try and minimize it after the fact and then say I need prozac ... who the hell do you think you are

I know who I am. Who the hell are you to pick arguments on every post you don't 100% agree with. You know what was meant by my post. Still you come at me both barrels blazing. You really think I was saying Harrison has no 'on the field value'? Do you really? Fuck you!

[Dwinsgames]

I know who I am. Who the hell are you to pick arguments on every post you don't 100% agree with. You know what was meant by my post. Still you come at me both barrels blazing. You really think I was saying Harrison has no 'on the field value'? Do you really? Fuck you!

I didnt pick an argument , never swore till YOU got out of hand and now you have taken it even further ...

keep showing your colors

[Born2Steel]

I didnt pick an argument , never swore till YOU got out of hand and now you have taken it even further ...

keep showing your colors
Whatever.

[Dwinsgames]

Whatever.

its not whatever go back and read .... may want to rethink who needs medicated

[Born2Steel]

IGNORED.

[LLT]

At this point, both of you just need to ignore each other and not antagonize the situation.

Thank you.

[86WARD]

Sorry not the same as JH at all who produces still on the field to this day. DHB was a 1st rd seventh pick that has done very little in this league to this day. Comparing him to a potential hall of fame player is crazy.

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By the way JH still gets the job done and why he is on the team not his guidance to younger players.

I didn't compare the quality of their play. That was never brought into the comment. The attributes they bring to the locker room, practices, film rooms and team attitude is very similar.

[86WARD]

By the way...there was a time when people didn't want Harrison back on this team after his stint with the Bungles because he was "washed up". There were a select few of us that wanted him back because of what he brought to the locker room, practices and his all around attitude. Now everyone is on that bandwagon whether he produce or not...

[86WARD]

its not whatever go back and read .... may want to rethink who needs medicated

needs TO BE medicated or needs medication. "Needs medicated" just doesn't work...

;)

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Point is JH may be a leader to younger players but not the reason he is on the team. He is on the team because he is still productive doing his job. DHB is just getting by pretty much on his leadership and not his play on the field. That is why you can't compare the two.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

By the way...there was a time when people didn't want Harrison back on this team after his stint with the Bungles because he was "washed up". There were a select few of us that wanted him back because of what he brought to the locker room, practices and his all around attitude. Now everyone is on that bandwagon whether he produce or not... I was one who wanted him back on the team because I thought he still had game and I was right.

[LLT]

I was one who wanted him back on the team because I thought he still had game and I was right.

Many people had...and expressed...that opinion.

[86WARD]

Point is JH may be a leader to younger players but not the reason he is on the team. He is on the team because he is still productive doing his job. DHB is just getting by pretty much on his leadership and not his play on the field. That is why you can't compare the two.

You're trying to add something to my comments that was never brought up. I am only talking leadership and intangibles and that is where they are similar and both of them have much added value to this team in that category. On field play is a totally different story. I'm not talking about anything else being similar other than the leadership and other intangibles.

When Harrison was brought to Pittsburgh for the third time he was brought in as a role player and a big reason he was brought in was because of his leadership, not because of the talent. His attitude started to show, on the defense, around Week 6 or 7...something like that. It wasn't until Week 8,9,10 something like that when he had this back to back multiple sack games. The amount of gas he had left in the tank was a surprise (and bonus) to all of us. A very nice surprise. That can't be compared to what DHB has done on field.

[LLT]

You're trying to add something to my comments that was never brought up. I am only talking leadership and intangibles and that is where they are similar and both of them have much added value to this team in that category. On field play is a totally different story. I'm not talking about anything else being similar other than the leadership and other intangibles.

When Harrison was brought to Pittsburgh for the third time he was brought in as a role player and a big reason he was brought in was because of his leadership, not because of the talent. His attitude started to show, on the defense, around Week 6 or 7...something like that. It wasn't until Week 8,9,10 something like that when he had this back to back multiple sack games. The amount of gas he had left in the tank was a surprise (and bonus) to all of us. A very nice surprise. That can't be compared to what DHB has done on field.

I think your posts obviously showed that you were talking about leadership qualities and vet presence. I'm not sure how anyone took it as anything else.

[Born2Steel]

At this point, both of you just need to ignore each other and not antagonize the situation.

Thank you.

Already realized that and done.

[Mojouw]

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[Dwinsgames]

http://nicepickcowher.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/58/files/2014/02/OBV.jpg


a first hand look at the " Valentine" thanks for sharing Mojouw

[tube517]

http://nicepickcowher.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/58/files/2014/02/OBV.jpg

Need a hippo in there somewhere

[teegre]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJAxRVeKnTE&amp;app=desktop

3:40 on

Alas, doesn't have the end portion, about greeting cards.

[Born2Steel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJAxRVeKnTE&amp;app=desktop

3:40 on

Alas, doesn't have the end portion, about greeting cards.


LOL! I got the one filled with toothpaste. LOL!

[pepsyman1]

By the way..DHB did score 3 TD's last year including a 60 yard end around that he ran over his cover man and then ran straight past the entire secondary like they were standing still. He was appreciative of the 2nd chance he got here after Oakland, he's a solid leader and he does whatever is asked of him. He's always in the mix on special teams and he's fast enough that people have to pay attention to him. I have no problem with him fighting and keeping his spot.