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polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 03:23 PM
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Born2Steel
08-30-2017, 03:26 PM
Well, somebody called it on the 3 year deal. Need to see the specifics over time. Welcome aboard the train Joe Haden.

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 03:27 PM
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AtlantaDan
08-30-2017, 03:31 PM
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$7 million?

Well that's the last piece in the Super Bowl puzzle

Maybe the Steelers can waive the rule that you have to be retired for three years before being inducted into the Steelers Hall of Honor and Mel Blount or Rod Woodson can be told to step aside so Haden can be inducted during the Green Bay game in late November

I hope that is not money that was earmarked for signing Tuitt to a new contract

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 03:32 PM
On paper, the only position that the steelers are weaker than last year is the inside linebacker with the loss of Timmons

For the rest, it is the same or better.

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 03:33 PM
doubt year 2 or 3 is guaranteed.

Iron Steeler
08-30-2017, 03:34 PM
YESSSSSS!!!

SteelerFanInStl
08-30-2017, 03:35 PM
Welcome to the Steelers Joe Haden!!! He's going to be great for our young guys to learn from.

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 03:35 PM
On paper, the only position that the steelers are weaker than last year is the inside linebacker with the loss of Timmons

For the rest, it is the same or better.

I've posted about this a couple of times, but they should try to go after Mychal Kendrick. Him and Shazier will be one hell of a paring at ILB.

Eagles would need to retain some of his salary though.

steelreserve
08-30-2017, 03:46 PM
Well that's a shitload of money, honestly I didn't expect it to be that much - but I guess we had a pretty significant amount of cap space still open, so there's probably not much better use of it. Seems like they have him in mind as a likely starter for that kind of commitment. If we just solved our two biggest nagging problems in two days, it's worth it.

This officially confirms that we are in "WIN NOW" mode with 2-3 years as the window before we are looking for a new QB.

RunNGun
08-30-2017, 03:50 PM
Curious to see who gets cut at CB for Haden's roster spot. Starting to think Ross Cockrell is the odd man out.
Burns, Haden, Sutton, Hilton, Sensabaugh, and Gay.
To me it comes down to Cockrell or Gay. If we could now trade Cockrell for a 4th round pick that would be ideal. Keeping Gay could prove valuable with his veteran leadership.

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 03:51 PM
Curious to see who gets cut at CB for Haden's roster spot. Starting to think William Gay is the odd man out.
Burns, Haden, Sutton, Hilton, Sensabaugh, and Cockrell.
To me it comes down to Cockrell or Gay. If we could now trade Cockrell for a 4th round pick that would be ideal.

I think Cockrell will be cut...

Iron Steeler
08-30-2017, 03:53 PM
yesss!!!

AtlantaDan
08-30-2017, 03:54 PM
To me it comes down to Cockrell or Gay. If we could now trade Cockrell for a 4th round pick that would be ideal.

Any team that wanted to try to sign Cockrell this offseason would have been required to give up a 4th round pick under the terms of his tender offer. No takers then and I doubt any takers now after his abysmal preseason since Cockrell might be released with the logjam at CB.

I doubt the Steelers could get a bag of donuts in return for Cockrell.

86WARD
08-30-2017, 03:55 PM
Trade Cockrell for a 6th round pick. Any pick actually.

Love the Haden signing. Like both moves the last two days!!!

SteelerFanInStl
08-30-2017, 03:55 PM
I've posted about this a couple of times, but they should try to go after Mychal Kendrick. Him and Shazier will be one hell of a paring at ILB.

Eagles would need to retain some of his salary though.

The Eagles tried to give him away last year and no one wanted him. He makes too much $$ for his talent. He also wouldn't work well with Shazier. They're too similar. Kendricks is too much of a freelancer. He needs to be paired with someone who's going to "clean up" after him when he's out of position. He's fast but he's not really that good.

Born2Steel
08-30-2017, 03:56 PM
This may boost Cockrell if it allows him to play more zone coverage than being forced to mirror.

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 03:59 PM
The Eagles tried to give him away last year and no one wanted him. He makes too much $$ for his talent. He also wouldn't work well with Shazier. They're too similar. Kendricks is too much of a freelancer. He needs to be paired with someone who's going to "clean up" after him when he's out of position. He's fast but he's not really that good.

He had a down year last year, but he was looking like a stud in year before. He's has played great so far in the preseason, bounce back year?

As I wrote, Eagles would have to retain his salary because no way the Steelers would take on that contract.

RunNGun
08-30-2017, 04:07 PM
I think Cockrell will be cut...

You're probably right. Would be nice to get something out of him, but I can see teams not taking the bait. Especially, with how he's performed in the preseason. Cockrell is as good as gone. They like what Hilton has done, as well as his potential, so they're not getting rid of a guy with more upside.

Mojouw
08-30-2017, 04:08 PM
So who ends up on the outside looking in? Figure they keep 9 DBs (I think that is about the # they usually head into the season with):

Burns
Mitchell
Davis
Haden

That's 4

Hilton plays the slot -- that's 5.

Sutton is a lock. That's 6.

Golden and Dangerfield/Some other random safety. That's 7 and 8.

So that leaves Gay, Cockrell, Sensabaugh, and Allen on the "bubble".

Allen sneaks to the PS - although that just seems waaaaaay to risky for my tastes.

That means Gay makes the roster because he is the most position flexible and veteran of the remaining?

RunNGun
08-30-2017, 04:13 PM
So who ends up on the outside looking in? Figure they keep 9 DBs (I think that is about the # they usually head into the season with):

Burns
Mitchell
Davis
Haden

That's 4

Hilton plays the slot -- that's 5.

Sutton is a lock. That's 6.

Golden and Dangerfield/Some other random safety. That's 7 and 8.

So that leaves Gay, Cockrell, Sensabaugh, and Allen on the "bubble".

Allen sneaks to the PS - although that just seems waaaaaay to risky for my tastes.

That means Gay makes the roster because he is the most position flexible and veteran of the remaining?

I think we keep 6 corners this year. Burns, Haden, Sutton, Hilton, Gay, and Sensabaugh. Cockrell was solid for a season or 2, but I don't think they're going to make the Cortez Allen mistake twice in a row. When a guy is underperforming, give someone else an opportunity.

Hawkman
08-30-2017, 04:15 PM
Love it if could have him ready for the first game against his old team.

st33lersguy
08-30-2017, 04:17 PM
Hopefully he returns to pro bowl form, if he does, it could push them over the top

43Hitman
08-30-2017, 04:19 PM
If Allen can play ST, we don't need to try and stash him. I honestly think with his measurables, that there is a snowballs chance in hell he stays on the PS. Someone will definitely scoop him up.

ALLD
08-30-2017, 04:25 PM
The good news is the Steelers want to win this year. The bad news is if they do not we will be down for awhile with Ben's impending retirement. It's no joke now. Steelers never brought in this much FA $ in awhile.

RunNGun
08-30-2017, 04:26 PM
If Allen can play ST, we don't need to try and stash him. I honestly think with his measurables, that there is a snowballs chance in hell he stays on the PS. Someone will definitely scoop him up.

I just don't think Allen has showed enough to warrant a roster spot. I presume he will get more reps in the finale so they can really get a good look at him. He goes to the practice squad, IMO.

Mojouw
08-30-2017, 04:26 PM
I think we keep 6 corners this year. Burns, Haden, Sutton, Hilton, Gay, and Sensabaugh. Cockrell was solid for a season or 2, but I don't think they're going to make the Cortez Allen mistake twice in a row. When a guy is underperforming, give someone else an opportunity.

I can see that. I just can't shake the team's own comments that Willie Gay keeps them from going man. For better or worse, they do seem to view Cockrell as a man cover guy.

Maybe Gay gets the pink slip? Or keep the "team" guy and give Sensabaugh the axe?

pczach
08-30-2017, 04:26 PM
If Allen can play ST, we don't need to try and stash him. I honestly think with his measurables, that there is a snowballs chance in hell he stays on the PS. Someone will definitely scoop him up.

No doubt.

That's my biggest fear.

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 04:27 PM
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Mojouw
08-30-2017, 04:27 PM
I just don't think Allen has showed enough to warrant a roster spot. I presume he will get more reps in the finale so they can get really get a good look at him. He goes to the practice squad, IMO.

Good point. If Shamarko Thomas could soak up a roster spot all last season, why not Allen?

RunNGun
08-30-2017, 04:31 PM
Good point. If Shamarko Thomas could soak up a roster spot all last season, why not Allen?

Simple, we have more cornerback depth than safety depth. Who would you cut for a spot for Allen?

Edman
08-30-2017, 04:36 PM
Desperation is a funny thing.

Haden has only played 18 games since 2014.

But the coaching staff doesn't like what they saw from our CB crew, and who can honestly blame them. Any option is a viable option.

steelreserve
08-30-2017, 04:37 PM
They'll probably keep 10 DBs IMO. They have too many guys with potential who just might turn the corner, but no way of telling yet which one(s) that will be.

Keeping a veteran from the Gay-Cock duo would normally be the "safe" play, but I think both of them are roughly at the same point as the newcomers and trending downward instead of upward.

I think Cockrell is as good as gone, as he's basically useless right now. Gay might barely hang on, but given his limitations, I'd rather take my chances that one of the other four turns out equal or better (which is not a high bar to clear). Every one of the newcomers we get rid of is one less roll of the dice to help ourselves with. Now that we've got a clear #1 and #2, might as well allocate all the rest of the spots to up-and-coming talent in hopes that we get one or two of them to pan out.

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 04:39 PM
Desperation is a funny thing.

Haden has only played 18 games since 2014.

But the coaching staff doesn't like what they saw from our CB crew, and who can honestly blame them. Any option is a viable option.

since 2015,not 2014....and Haden has played 13 games last year.

86WARD
08-30-2017, 04:39 PM
So everyone wants to keep an extra corner, everyone wants to keep an extra WR, everyone wants to keep an extra RB. Everyone wants an extra lineman...these "bubble players" are going to have to play good special teams. If not, they'll be cut.

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 04:46 PM
So everyone wants to keep an extra corner, everyone wants to keep an extra WR, everyone wants to keep an extra RB. Everyone wants an extra lineman...these "bubble players" are going to have to play good special teams. If not, they'll be cut.

I'm still keeping 7 corners if I was the Steelers. Hoping Ross can be trade bait, I'm sure some team will judge him off his play from last year. Hopefully he can return a draft pick or depth player.

Burns, Haden, Gay, Coty, Sutton, Hilton, Allen.


Toughest spot is 6th WR, or 9th OL. Basically DHB vs Feiler.

DesertSteel
08-30-2017, 04:52 PM
TE and CB this week.............. they are loading up for a Super Bowl run or bust! I'm excited!!

stillers4me
08-30-2017, 04:54 PM
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86WARD
08-30-2017, 04:54 PM
Haden had two groin surgeries ... I would think that would affect his running...no?

Could be another Josh Scobee type deal???

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 04:56 PM
TE and CB this week.............. they are loading up for a Super Bowl run or bust! I'm excited!!

Two big additions in the past two days, I'm going to be pissed if no trades happen tomorrow :chuckle:

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 04:56 PM
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BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 04:57 PM
Haden had two groin surgeries ... I would think that would affect his running...no?

Could be another Josh Scobee type deal???

Same thing happened to Mitchell. He seems to be running just fine.

Edman
08-30-2017, 04:57 PM
TE and CB this week.............. they are loading up for a Super Bowl run or bust! I'm excited!!

Wether these moves pan out (hopefully) or not, The Steelers clearly aren't fucking around. It's Super Bowl or Bust.

Antwon Blakes and Ross Cockrells are not going to cut it in the secondary. It's time to win now.

Bell better get his ass on board or else.

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 04:58 PM
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Heard nothing but good things from Haden with his leadership in the locker room, and work ethic. This confirms it.

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 04:59 PM
I hate being in a super bowl or bust, but no choice to admit that the steelers are with Roethlisberger at 35 ...

Edman
08-30-2017, 05:01 PM
I hate being in a super bowl or bust, but no choice to admit that the steelers are with Roethlisberger at 35 ...

Ben is pulling a Favre as best as he can.

When he retires. He retires.

tube517
08-30-2017, 05:04 PM
No doubt.

That's my biggest fear.

You know Arizona and Tennessee are always sniffing around the Steelers PS

Rotorhead
08-30-2017, 05:08 PM
Glad this happened, not sure who is gone, but I am leaning towards Cockrell, Gay can fill in at all DB spots so that is good to have and honestly I would rather have him at back up S over Golden right now.

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 05:17 PM
Seriously, Colbert has done a great job in the last 2 days to improve our 2 biggest weaknesses of our team.

If he adds a good backup safety, I'll be even more happy!

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 05:29 PM
It's funny when I see a browns fan do the trash talk like that!

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43Hitman
08-30-2017, 05:30 PM
No matter what happens from here, we CANNOT say that the team hasn't done everything within their power to improve this roster. 19-0!

FrancoLambert
08-30-2017, 05:37 PM
[QUOTE=ALLD;599817]The good news is the Steelers want to win this year. The bad news is if they do not we will be down for awhile with Ben's impending retirement. It's no joke now. Steelers never brought in this much FA $ in awhile.[/QUOTE

They want to win every year, but I get your point.

They went all-in for this season and by making the moves to upgrade the roster at positions with glaring
weaknesses it just may sweeten the pot enough for Ben to play 2-3 more years instead of his "hint" of only playing 1 more year.

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 06:09 PM
It's funny when I see a browns fan do the trash talk like that!

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Always surprises me how Brown fans are not humble.

That guy should be apologizing, and asking for forgiveness lol.

AtlantaDan
08-30-2017, 06:11 PM
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Good to know Drew Rosenhaus can use Adam Schefter as a middleman to put out his spin:rolleyes:

Mojouw
08-30-2017, 06:22 PM
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/08/film-room-good-bad-ugly-joe-haden/

If you haven't -- check this out as soon as you can. Alex pretty much nails all of it. Of course!

High risk, High reward move?

Wonder if they put him through a workout? If he ran for them and ran well...then look out. But if article says his speed has been sapped -- well then its late career Ike?

AtlantaDan
08-30-2017, 06:43 PM
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/08/film-room-good-bad-ugly-joe-haden/

If you haven't -- check this out as soon as you can. Alex pretty much nails all of it. Of course!

High risk, High reward move?

Wonder if they put him through a workout?

Great article - thanks for the link

I would be stunned if they had time to put Haden through a workout - hopefully the deal says he has to pass a physical

This is the equivalent of making a rushed purchase at a going out of business auction where all sales are final - sometimes it works out but often not

$7 million seems awfully steep

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 06:59 PM
What does Haden bring to the Steelers secondary

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000837263/What-does-Haden-bring-to-the-Steelers-secondary

Shoes
08-30-2017, 06:59 PM
I sure hope the guy who did the Ladarius Green physical isn't with the Steelers longer.

Iron Steeler
08-30-2017, 06:59 PM
does he play tomorrow in Carolina?

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 07:01 PM
does he play tomorrow in Carolina?

No reason to play

43Hitman
08-30-2017, 07:01 PM
does he play tomorrow in Carolina?I doubt it. There may be a rule about it as well.

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 07:10 PM
I would be shocked if he plays.

Shoes
08-30-2017, 07:11 PM
Haden had two groin surgeries ... I would think that would affect his running...no?

Could be another Josh Scobee type deal???

Here's proof the Rooneys aren't cheap. Scobee, Boykin, Gilbert, Green, Cortez Allen and a few more I probably missed.

pczach
08-30-2017, 07:31 PM
I'll approach this from the positive thinking side.

Haden has been an elite corner for a number of years in the NFL.

He played all of last year with a hernia. That explains much of his struggles.

He played in a secondary that got no protection from the pass rush, and they were on the field constantly because the offense couldn't get out of their own way.

If he is completely healthy, he brings a level of professionalism and a shitload of passes defensed and interceptions. I think I saw that since coming into the league, he is #1 in passed defensed and #2 in interceptions. That's adding a lot of playmaking ability, and immediately raised the talent level of every position in the secondary just with his presence......and he's still only 28 years old.

I'm very excited about what adding a true cover to this secondary can allow Butler to do. If the pass rush can generate pressure, the turnovers are going to come as Butler can bring blitzes to surprise the offenses because they believe the secondary can hold up. It has the possibility to take this defense to a whole other level.

Haden, Burns, Davis and Mitchell in traditional sets, with Sutton, Hilton, Gay, Sensabaugh, and Allen....Wow! That's an improved secondary! The safety depth could be better, but I'll take it.

st33lersguy
08-30-2017, 07:42 PM
Something tells me that Haden will be back in Cleveland by the season opener :)

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 07:53 PM
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fansince'76
08-30-2017, 08:10 PM
Going all-in for Ben's last year (probably 2, max). Love it.

AtlantaDan
08-30-2017, 08:10 PM
Joe Starkey of the P-G sort of likes the deal while taking some shots:wink02:

This isn’t about whether Joe Haden can recapture his elite form. It’s about whether he’s an upgrade on Ross Cockrell and Coty Sensabaugh (http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/08/30/joe-haden-steelers-contract-details-ross-cockrell-coty-sensabaugh/stories/201708300216), and unless he shows up in a body cast, I have to believe he is.

Give the Steelers credit. Just not too much...

It might take him a while to round into form, but if even Haden doesn’t play Thursday against Carolina, the Steelers still have one more exhibition tune-up: Sept. 10 in Cleveland...

Back when he was coming off surgery, Haden tweeted, “Groin surgery went Great! Rehab starts now!! First team all pro here I come!!! No excuses just RESULTS!!”

That last part could be said for the Steelers’ entire secondary, the entire defense and the entire team. People really aren’t interested in the details anymore. They want results.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/joe-starkey/2017/08/30/joe-haden-steelers-contract-ross-cockrell-artie-burns-coty-sensabaugh/stories/201708300267

BurghBoy412
08-30-2017, 08:25 PM
They're not bringing Haden in to be the #1.

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 08:27 PM
They're not bringing Haden in to be the #1.


He could be 1a,1b with Burns.

Iron Steeler
08-30-2017, 08:27 PM
BURNS and Haden.

slot : Rotation between sensabaugh Gay.
dime: Sutton Hilton

fansince'76
08-30-2017, 08:28 PM
Wether these moves pan out (hopefully) or not, The Steelers clearly aren't fucking around. It's Super Bowl or Bust.

Antwon Blakes and Ross Cockrells are not going to cut it in the secondary. It's time to win now.

Bell better get his ass on board or else.

This.

Shoes
08-30-2017, 08:33 PM
Lets just hope he's healthy and stays that way.

Dwinsgames
08-30-2017, 08:35 PM
Here's proof the Rooneys aren't cheap. Scobee, Boykin, Gilbert, Green, Cortez Allen and a few more I probably missed.

no need for proof , our yearly back against the cap is all the proof anyone should ever need

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 08:37 PM
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I knew it was going to happen! :rofl2:

Shoes
08-30-2017, 08:40 PM
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I knew it was going to happen! :rofl2:

Right, and they will be burning Kizer's jersey next year at the annual Brown's QB rotation. You have to feel happy for Haden, just imagine how he feels!

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
08-30-2017, 08:43 PM
Great news and I know this wasn't a trade but this has huge upside like when we traded for the Bus.

polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 09:02 PM
Done deal.

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polamalubeast
08-30-2017, 09:16 PM
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salamander
08-30-2017, 09:17 PM
Right, and they will be burning Kizer's jersey next year at the annual Brown's QB rotation. You have to feel happy for Haden, just imagine how he feels!

Why do you think he was so quick to sign with Pittsburgh? :chuckle:

BurghBoy412
08-30-2017, 09:18 PM
903078805694291968Awesome!!

salamander
08-30-2017, 09:19 PM
On a side note, it has to make the other guys on the team happy seeing Colbert and company making legitimate attempts to improve the team.

JayC
08-30-2017, 09:22 PM
On a side note, it has to make the other guys on the team happy seeing Colbert and company making legitimate attempts to improve the team.

if only the pirates ever did this

Hawkman
08-30-2017, 09:28 PM
On a side note, it has to make the other guys on the team happy seeing Colbert and company making legitimate attempts to improve the team.

......except for maybe Cockrell.:heh:

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
08-30-2017, 09:31 PM
if only the pirates ever did this Sad part owner will always keep them average just to own them, Won't sale to another that would do the best for the team and why I don't support The Pirates and baseball sux too.

pczach
08-30-2017, 09:32 PM
You have to feel happy for Haden, just imagine how he feels!


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salamander
08-30-2017, 09:47 PM
if only the pirates ever did this

Yepp. Hell, the Pens definitely aren't afraid to make moves either. The Buccos need to take some notes.

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......except for maybe Cockrell.:heh:

Well, to be fair, they obviously noticed that he's been stinking up the joint and took action for once. :lol:

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 09:49 PM
if only the pirates ever did this

They don't care for winning. (albeit I believe in 18' they'll be good)

Thankful for the Steelers and Penguins.

Steeldude
08-30-2017, 10:31 PM
Now will he play a down this season?

AtlantaDan
08-30-2017, 10:42 PM
Yepp. Hell, the Pens definitely aren't afraid to make moves either. The Buccos need to take some notes.

Co-owner of the Pens Ron Burkle is a billionaire and not cost sensitive to squeezing every nickel to max out profit - might be different if Mario was sole owner

The Rooneys are primary owners of a franchise valued at $2.25 billion that The Chief founded for a $2500 franchise fee

Nutting allegedly was a billionaire around 2012, but his family's wealth is tied up in the dying newspaper industry so I doubt that is still true

Add to that hockey and the NFL have salary caps while Nutting cannot possibly compete without a cap long term against big market teams like the Cubs and Dodgers - so he figures why not run a lowball operation and bank the profit

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 10:55 PM
Co-owner of the Pens Ron Burkle is a billionaire and not cost sensitive to squeezing every nickel to max out profit - might be different if Mario was sole owner

The Rooneys are primary owners of a franchise valued at $2.25 billion that The Chief founded for a $2500 franchise fee

Nutting allegedly was a billionaire around 2012, but his family's wealth is tied up in the dying newspaper industry so I doubt that is still true

Add to that hockey and the NFL have salary caps while Nutting cannot possibly compete without a cap long term against big market teams like the Cubs and Dodgers - so he figures why not run a lowball operation and bank the profit

Wish Mark Cuban was able to buy the team back in the early 2000's.

Steelermania
08-30-2017, 11:19 PM
Wish Mark Cuban was able to buy the team back in the early 2000's.
Mark Cuban wouldn't be running the team at a loss though. The problem with the Bucs being sold is that no one from Pittsburgh wants to buy them. It won't be too many more years before they can get out of their lease and leave town, which they well might do with an out of town owner.

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 11:25 PM
Mark Cuban wouldn't be running the team at a loss though. The problem with the Bucs being sold is that no one from Pittsburgh wants to buy them. It won't be too many more years before they can get out of their lease and leave town, which they well might do with an out of town owner.

Pirates out of Pittsburgh? That is a tough one to see.

If so I feel the NBA would consider having an expansion team here.

BlackAndGold
08-30-2017, 11:34 PM
Mark Madden is giving the Steelers credit for this move.

That is actually impressive.


Also watch:
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=11726418

Nadroj 20
08-31-2017, 04:59 AM
Pirates out of Pittsburgh? That is a tough one to see.

If so I feel the NBA would consider having an expansion team here.

I don't see the NBA ever coming to Pittsburgh with other better options out there. Seattle definitely wants a team back and maybe Vancouver again.

The Penguins own the winter in Pittsburgh.

GBMelBlount
08-31-2017, 05:45 AM
Mark Madden is giving the Steelers credit for this move.

That is actually impressive.


Also watch:
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=11726418

Tears.

Love this guy already.

polamalubeast
08-31-2017, 06:07 AM
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tube517
08-31-2017, 07:41 AM
Mark Madden is giving the Steelers credit for this move.

That is actually impressive.


Also watch:
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=11726418

Great video. Thanks for posting. I usually don't watch videos about other teams/players. Pouncey, Gilbert and AB as well as Tomlin think he's a stand up guy so that speaks well for him

SteelerFanInStl
08-31-2017, 08:28 AM
Now will he play a down this season?

Why wouldn't he? He started all 3 of the Browns preseason games.

Steeldude
08-31-2017, 09:25 AM
Why wouldn't he? He started all 3 of the Browns preseason games.

Sorry, I forgot to add the emoji. I was mostly being sarcastic, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him ride the bench in the regular season.

I think they paid too much. Hoping for the best. A lot of this pass defense is going to ride on getting pressure on the QB. I don't have much faith in Dupree yet. Watt is new so it remains to be seen what he can do. They can't rely on Harrison.

RunNGun
08-31-2017, 09:56 AM
Was the Haden release because Cleveland didn't want him, or Haden wanted out? I find it alarming that the worst team in the league doesn't want him. With that being said, I'm excited to see what he can do in black and gold.

polamalubeast
08-31-2017, 09:58 AM
Was the Haden release because Cleveland didn't want him, or Haden wanted out? I find it alarming that the worst team in the league doesn't want him. With that being said, I'm excited to see what he can do in black and gold.


The browns wanted Haden to take a pay cut, Haden refused and after the browns released him.

tube517
08-31-2017, 10:18 AM
Was the Haden release because Cleveland didn't want him, or Haden wanted out? I find it alarming that the worst team in the league doesn't want him. With that being said, I'm excited to see what he can do in black and gold.

Cleveland is in Moneyball rebuilding mode. Haden didn't fit in their future (and present) plans

AtlantaDan
08-31-2017, 10:24 AM
Was the Haden release because Cleveland didn't want him, or Haden wanted out? I find it alarming that the worst team in the league doesn't want him. With that being said, I'm excited to see what he can do in black and gold.

Browns are tanking for another high first round pick next year and dumping salary

One theory goes back to being stuck with Osweiler's salary

The Browns saved just over $7 million in cap space by jettisoning Haden now and another couple of million on draft bust Cam Erving by trading him to the Chiefs (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/KC/kansas-city-chiefs). By dumping those deals, the $16 million down the drain after trading for Osweiler doesn't sting quite as strongly.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/connecting-the-dots-between-brock-osweiler-and-the-browns-cutting-joe-haden/

86WARD
08-31-2017, 10:46 AM
I want Joe Thomas...lol

steel striker
08-31-2017, 11:18 AM
I'm all in on this move and, I did not think it would happen. I think Hayden has something left in the tank.

DesertSteel
08-31-2017, 11:26 AM
At 28, if he's healthy, he should have 3 good years left. Him and Burns could be a formidable tandem!

tube517
08-31-2017, 01:05 PM
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21150369_10155729436584365_1566348435602764227_n.j pg?oh=d324c36df72978a0c774000b02a1bb64&oe=5A2061E7

Dwinsgames
08-31-2017, 01:19 PM
1 thing being over looked by many who are concerned with Haden's last 2 years of play ...

Here he will not be asked to follow the oppositions best WR all over the field as he will likely be the #2 CB on this team since Burns already has a handle on the playbook he will be the #1

so Haden will be on teams #2 WR making him a better player by default as he will not be going up against the top flight wide out nearly as often

he just has to be healthy

DesertSteel
08-31-2017, 01:28 PM
1 thing being over looked by many who are concerned with Haden's last 2 years of play ...

Here he will not be asked to follow the oppositions best WR all over the field as he will likely be the #2 CB on this team since Burns already has a handle on the playbook he will be the #1

so Haden will be on teams #2 WR making him a better player by default as he will not be going up against the top flight wide out nearly as often

he just has to be healthy
Or he will be part of a double team on the #1 while Burns covers the #2 by himself.

That said, the Haden from a couple years back bumps Burns to the #2 CB at this stage. It'd be a good problem to have for once.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2017, 01:34 PM
1 thing being over looked by many who are concerned with Haden's last 2 years of play ...

Here he will not be asked to follow the oppositions best WR all over the field as he will likely be the #2 CB on this team since Burns already has a handle on the playbook he will be the #1

so Haden will be on teams #2 WR making him a better player by default as he will not be going up against the top flight wide out nearly as often

he just has to be healthy

I agree with you that many think this is the signing of Pro Bowl caliber Joe Hayden ....and not the guy that stunk it up the past 2 seasons. I haven't watched any Browns preseason to know how he has looked, so I wont say he is back, or he sucks at this point.

The notion that Artie Burns is going to follow the opposing #1 WR is not something I agree with. Burns has almost exclusively played the Right side of the defense all preseason and he honestly hasn't played lights out either. I think the plan will be to get Hayden up to speed and play of the left side and Burns the Right side. Still going to play zone, but if Hayden is back to reasonable form, there will be a lot more man coverage in the mix if Butler wants to play more.

AtlantaDan
08-31-2017, 01:38 PM
I want Joe Thomas...lol

Shout out by Thomas to Haden

902920753603076098

Anyone brave enough to ask Thomas what he thinks of these moves by the Browns better be wearing body armor - HOF quality of play by Thomas for a joke of a franchise - what a waste

Sad!

DesertSteel
08-31-2017, 01:46 PM
Shout out by Thomas to Haden

902920753603076098

Anyone brave enough to ask Thomas what he thinks of these moves by the Browns better be wearing body armor - HOF quality of play by Thomas for a joke of a franchise - what a waste

Sad!
In some weird way, it only adds to his legend that his whole career was with a crappy team. At his position, LT, no one holds it against him as they would a QB, or to a lesser degree a different skill position. Personally, I'd rather see the Browns as our competitive rival than the Ravens or Bengals.

teegre
08-31-2017, 02:01 PM
Cleveland is in Moneyball rebuilding mode. Haden didn't fit in their future (and present) plans

This is 100% correct.

The same guys who reconstructed (resurrected) the Oakland A's are doing the same thing with the Cleveland Browns.

Anyone who is a) too expensive, or b) too old... is shown the door. And, Haden falls under both categories.

86WARD
08-31-2017, 02:04 PM
Thomas doesn't?

teegre
08-31-2017, 02:09 PM
Thomas doesn't?

True.

You can't get rid of everyone, and Thomas makes an affordable wage for a LT ($11.5 million). But, rest assured that if they could get a guy that's younger and cheaper, they'd part ways with him, too.

They have the most players on their "first contracts" of any team in the NFL. They trade away older players and/or trade back in the draft. With that bounty of picks, they replace the older players with cheaper players. It's a rotating door.

tube517
08-31-2017, 02:26 PM
903335999153082368

ALLD
08-31-2017, 03:00 PM
At least the fans cannot say the FO didn't address the CB problem this season. Better late than never for sure. He can't be any worse than Cockring either.

Does any of the extra available money come from Bell turning down his contract?

polamalubeast
08-31-2017, 03:04 PM
903335999153082368

Great contract!

BlackAndGold
08-31-2017, 04:00 PM
I agree with you that many think this is the signing of Pro Bowl caliber Joe Hayden ....and not the guy that stunk it up the past 2 seasons. I haven't watched any Browns preseason to know how he has looked, so I wont say he is back, or he sucks at this point.

The notion that Artie Burns is going to follow the opposing #1 WR is not something I agree with. Burns has almost exclusively played the Right side of the defense all preseason and he honestly hasn't played lights out either. I think the plan will be to get Hayden up to speed and play of the left side and Burns the Right side. Still going to play zone, but if Hayden is back to reasonable form, there will be a lot more man coverage in the mix if Butler wants to play more.

EGJ!!!

I was wondering if you was a part of this forum(maybe I never notice?), good to know you are.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2017, 04:27 PM
EGJ!!!

I was wondering if you was a part of this forum(maybe I never notice?), good to know you are.

I'm not really a guy that cruises around multiple forums a lot. Registered here years ago when SF went down and just ended up at SX a lot. Seems like a lot of the old "Ususal Suspects" here with some good insight and tempered objectivity to mix in with the usual knee jerk fandom and homerism of any message board. Just soaking in some of the discussion over here. Cheers ! :thumbsup:

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This is 100% correct.

The same guys who reconstructed (resurrected) the Oakland A's are doing the same thing with the Cleveland Browns.

Anyone who is a) too expensive, or b) too old... is shown the door. And, Haden falls under both categories.

I love the advanced metrics nerds, especially if they don't run the team I like. Houston Rockets and Daryl Morey are prime examples of the fact that sports cant be played entirely on a spreadsheet.

43Hitman
08-31-2017, 04:39 PM
I'm not really a guy that cruises around multiple forums a lot. Registered here years ago when SF went down and just ended up at SX a lot. Seems like a lot of the old "Ususal Suspects" here with some good insight and tempered objectivity to mix in with the usual knee jerk fandom and homerism of any message board. Just soaking in some of the discussion over here. Cheers ! :thumbsup:

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I love the advanced metrics nerds, especially if they don't run the team I like. Houston Rockets and Daryl Morey are prime examples of the fact that sports cant be played entirely on a spreadsheet.Nice to see ya drop by EGJ. :drink:

We can't say it was a boring off-season, that's for sure. :chuckle:

BlackAndGold
08-31-2017, 04:41 PM
I don't see the NBA ever coming to Pittsburgh with other better options out there. Seattle definitely wants a team back and maybe Vancouver again.

The Penguins own the winter in Pittsburgh.

Seattle is a way more likely spot, but I could see them getting a team by relocation, if the Pelicans keep on missing the playoffs I can see him being on the move.

I wouldn't bet on it happening of course because Pittsburgh doesn't have the biggest market, but the city Imo would definitely support them, and PPG Paints Arena would be a great place for a NBA team.

And yes, Go Pens!!!

st33lersguy
08-31-2017, 04:45 PM
903335999153082368

Great news

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2017, 04:51 PM
Nice to see ya drop by EGJ. :drink:

We can't say it was a boring off-season, that's for sure. :chuckle:

Oh, there are always "the sky is falling" crowd that can complain the offseason is boring.

But, what really is the "offseason" when the Shrine game and Senior Bowl, lead into the Combine and Draft, then OTA's? There is that month or so from OTA's to Latrobe that is a good time to work on the tan. :wink:

As for Haden, I like the upgrade if he is healthy and it seems to be a push of the chips to the middle of the table for one year at least. The Cockrell hate I really don't understand, as he has been a steady guy on the corner and plays good fundamental corner. Yes, he has looked bad the first 2 games this preseason, but last season was a solid performance by him. I guess somebody has to be hated on and bashing Gay isn't politically correct.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
08-31-2017, 04:53 PM
Seattle is a way more likely spot, but I could see them getting a team by relocation, if the Pelicans keep on missing the playoffs I can see him being on the move.

I wouldn't bet on it happening of course because Pittsburgh doesn't have the biggest market, but the city Imo would definitely support them, and PPG Paints Arena would be a great place for a NBA team.

And yes, Go Pens!!! We don't need The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh and think we are totally fine without a NBA team.

43Hitman
08-31-2017, 05:26 PM
Oh, there are always "the sky is falling" crowd that can complain the offseason is boring.

But, what really is the "offseason" when the Shrine game and Senior Bowl, lead into the Combine and Draft, then OTA's? There is that month or so from OTA's to Latrobe that is a good time to work on the tan. :wink:

As for Haden, I like the upgrade if he is healthy and it seems to be a push of the chips to the middle of the table for one year at least. The Cockrell hate I really don't understand, as he has been a steady guy on the corner and plays good fundamental corner. Yes, he has looked bad the first 2 games this preseason, but last season was a solid performance by him. I guess somebody has to be hated on and bashing Gay isn't politically correct.
I really think Haden is going to be fine. I've watched his tape this preseason and he's looked good to me; not quite as fast as I remember, but certainly still has the short area quickness. He also took on his normal ST duties as the gunner, made some nice blocks and got down the field well. So I agree with you, if he can stay healthy I love the addition.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
08-31-2017, 05:37 PM
I really think Haden is going to be fine. I've watched his tape this preseason and he's looked good to me; not quite as fast as I remember, but certainly still has the short area quickness. He also took on his normal ST duties as the gunner, made some nice blocks and got down the field well. So I agree with you, if he can stay healthy I love the addition. I agree and think Haden will really help this defense. Nice to see also that a big name like him wanted to come here and wasn't about more money like most others.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2017, 05:46 PM
I agree and think Haden will really help this defense. Nice to see also that a big name like him wanted to come here and wasn't about more money like most others.

He has played 7 seasons in Cleveland and they have 29 wins in that time. If you played almost 3/4 a decade and averaged a 4 win season.....I would think a guy takes a bit less $ to play with a winning franchise and one that his fellow Alum Pouncey and Gilbert probably have good things to say.

In todays NFL, if you have been smart with your $, you can afford to leave some on the table to be in a better situation IMO.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
08-31-2017, 05:50 PM
He has played 7 seasons in Cleveland and they have 29 wins in that time. If you played almost 3/4 a decade and averaged a 4 win season.....I would think a guy takes a bit less $ to play with a winning franchise and one that his fellow Alum Pouncey and Gilbert probably have good things to say.

In todays NFL, if you have been smart with your $, you can afford to leave some on the table to be in a better situation IMO. All true but he could have been like Weeden and many others that went for the money.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-31-2017, 07:02 PM
All true but he could have been like Weeden and many others that went for the money.

I guess I look at it as ......if somebody offered me a sofa to sleep on and would provide pizza and beer....I would take it to get out of Cleveland. $7million and getting out of Cleveland is amazing!

j-d-s
08-31-2017, 09:37 PM
If Haden plays like he used to, this might be the missing piece to win the 7th ring. So really good decision considering we may have only a shot at the Super Bowl for another two or three years, until Ben retires.

BlackAndGold
09-01-2017, 01:48 AM
6 reasons Joe Haden should be with the Browns and not the Steelers

By Browns beat writer Mary Kay Cabot from Cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/08/6_reasons_joe_haden_shouldnt_h.html (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/08/6_reasons_joe_haden_shouldnt_h.html)

teegre
09-01-2017, 06:45 AM
Worst case:
Haden is slightly better than Cock Rosswell.

Best case:
Haden plays at his former Pro Bowl level.

Reality:
Haden is somewhere in the middle of those two (but, hopefully, closer to the latter).

AtlantaDan
09-01-2017, 07:59 AM
I agree with you that many think this is the signing of Pro Bowl caliber Joe Hayden ....and not the guy that stunk it up the past 2 seasons. I haven't watched any Browns preseason to know how he has looked, so I wont say he is back, or he sucks at this point.

The notion that Artie Burns is going to follow the opposing #1 WR is not something I agree with. Burns has almost exclusively played the Right side of the defense all preseason and he honestly hasn't played lights out either. I think the plan will be to get Hayden up to speed and play of the left side and Burns the Right side. Still going to play zone, but if Hayden is back to reasonable form, there will be a lot more man coverage in the mix if Butler wants to play more.

Good to see you posting here :drink:

Look forward to your insights as we shift from offseason/preseason drama to the real deal