Raiders RB Marshawn Lynch remains seated during national anthem

[stillers4me]

Marshawn Lynch (http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/10456/marshawn-lynch) appeared to stage a silent protest in his return to the NFL, as the Oakland Raiders (http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/oak/oakland-raiders) running back remained seated during the national anthem prior to the team's 20-10 loss (http://www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=400951797) to the Arizona Cardinals (http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/ari/arizona-cardinals).


Photos show Lynch, who suited up but did not play, sitting on a cooler while holding a banana during the anthem..........

read more @ http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20327882/oakland-raiders-marshawn-lynch-remains-seated-national-anthem

[fansince'76]

"[Lynch] said, 'This is something I've done for 11 years. It's not a form of anything other than me being myself...'"

That's right. Junkgrabber has pretty much always been a horse's ass...

[Dwinsgames]

The League could stop this nonsense , Teams could stop this nonsense but instead they allow it to continue and create more social divide ...

NFL Stadiums are a work place , when you walk into a stadium you have walked into " your office " at such time you are a representative of your employer .

It is not a time or the place for anyone to grandstand , picket , or anything else ... its a place of business

either the league or the teams need to make a clear statement walk into the stadium and conduct business in said fashion or go outside the stadium and picket the choice is yours but only those who show up to conduct business will be paid ...

for me the flag has everything to do with those who fight or have fought to keep her standing and nothing to do with race relations , police brutality or anything the like ...

show respect for those who have had the courage to defend that flag stand up its not that hard !!

do your social change movement things on your time not on the leagues time or the teams time or my time ...

[stillers4me]

http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/sports/2017/08/13/oakland-raiders-running-back-marshawn-lynch-sits-during-national-anthem-at-preseason-nfl-game/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1502629514531.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

[smokin3000gt]

ML defines 'piece of shit'

[DesertSteel]

He's got nothing to lose, unlike Kap.

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The NBA made it illegal not to stand for the anthem. Time for the NFL to do the same. They can protest on their own time/dime.

[86WARD]

He's got nothing to lose, unlike Kap.

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The NBA made it illegal not to stand for the anthem. Time for the NFL to do the same. They can protest on their own time/dime.

QFT!!

[Shoes]

Give him a tour in Afghanistan, the shit bag.

[BostonBlackie]

Angry runners are an odd lot.

[SCSTILLER]

Question, what would any fans do if one of the Steelers players sat or kneeled for the National Anthem? I know I would be done with pro football all together, my man/Steelers cave would be stripped and all stuff given away. They have a right to protest, I have a right to not watch and spend my money else where. Only exception would be is if the Steelers organization chastised said player and condemned his actions and he stood from that point forward, I might in that instance keep watching and keep the Steelers cave.

[AtlantaDan]

Question, what would any fans do if one of the Steelers players sat or kneeled for the National Anthem? I know I would be done with pro football all together, my man/Steelers cave would be stripped and all stuff given away. They have a right to protest, I have a right to not watch and spend my money else where. Only exception would be is if the Steelers organization chastised said player and condemned his actions and he stood from that point forward, I might in that instance keep watching and keep the Steelers cave.

At least 99% of the fans would keep watching.

Do not recall any drop off in viewing habits or attendance when Ernie Holmes wounded a police officer while shooting at a police helicopter in the 70s and did not miss a down, the starting QB was accused of multiple sexual assaults, this happened to the 2008 defensive player of the year

Domestic violence charges were dropped Thursday against Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.espn.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=pit) linebacker James Harrison (http://www.espn.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6314), who was arrested in early March after hitting his girlfriend.Allegheny County prosecutors announced the decision as a judge was preparing to open a preliminary hearing for Harrison on charges of simple assault and criminal mischief.

"He has entered domestic abuse counseling. The victim did not request any further restitution and the victim did not wish to pursue further prosecution," said Mike Manko, a spokesman for the district attorney.

Harrison told police he and Beth Tibbott were arguing on March 8, and then he broke through her bedroom door, slapped her in the face and snapped her cell phone in half.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3327255

and this happened to the receiver who caught the winning TD pass in SB XLIII

On June 19, 2006, in Franklin County, OH, Santonio Holmes was arrested (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/steelers/2006-06-19-holmes-second-arrest_x.htm) and charged with domestic violence and assault stemming from an alleged incident with the mother of one of his children. In a police report, LaShae Boone said (http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/2006/12/05/Domestic-violence-charges-dropped-against-Santonio-Holmes/stories/200612050147) that Holmes, "chok[ed her], [threw] her to the ground, grabb[ed] her arms, and slamm[ed] her into a door, leaving her with bruises, pain, and a torn shirt." Holmes pleaded not guilty (http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2006/06/28/Counselor-saw-Holmes-trouble-coming/stories/200606280227) to the charges. Boone would not testify in court.

The charges were later dismissed (http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/2006/12/05/Domestic-violence-charges-dropped-against-Santonio-Holmes/stories/200612050147) by a Franklin County Municipal Court judge after Holmes' two lawyers said that their client would participate in ongoing counseling offered through the NFL. In an interview with press after the hearing, Holmes said, "It doesn't mean anger management classes. It just means I needed someone else to talk with about all the situations and to get an understanding of what was going on."

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/9ae7p3/santonio-holmes-wide-receiver-accused-of-domestic-violence-and-assault

(https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/9ae7p3/santonio-holmes-wide-receiver-accused-of-domestic-violence-and-assault)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAlrzcdfRY

[Dwinsgames]

Question, what would any fans do if one of the Steelers players sat or kneeled for the National Anthem? I know I would be done with pro football all together, my man/Steelers cave would be stripped and all stuff given away. They have a right to protest, I have a right to not watch and spend my money else where. Only exception would be is if the Steelers organization chastised said player and condemned his actions and he stood from that point forward, I might in that instance keep watching and keep the Steelers cave.

I do not think you have to worry about players on the Steelers . not with AV on the roster , it would be like walking up to him and smacking him in the face ... not sure how well that ends for whomever would have the guts to do that

[BostonBlackie]

At least 99% of the fans would keep watching.

Do not recall any drop off in viewing habits or attendance when Ernie Holmes wounded a police officer while shooting at a police helicopter in the 70s and did not miss a down, ......................

Yeah, not too many people even new about that incident. Imagine if that happened today?

[stillers4me]

Have never seen this happen at an NHL game. They even stand for Canada's national anthem. Half of them aren't even American or Canadian and they still stand and show respect.

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[Dwinsgames]

Have never seen this happen at an NHL game. They even stand for Canada's national anthem. Half of them aren't even American or Canadian and they still stand and show respect.

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#Truth

[GBMelBlount]

I am blessed and thankful that I don't watch the news, read newspapers, engage in social media, or have any friends like this ignorant and ungrateful shitstick. :grin:

P.S. OK, maybe someone who does not read the paper or watch the news should not call someone else, ignorant. :party:

Still...

[vasteeler]

I don't think these people even understand what they are protesting... What a bunch of maroons.

[salamander]

Have never seen this happen at an NHL game. They even stand for Canada's national anthem. Half of them aren't even American or Canadian and they still stand and show respect.

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You would never see that happen at a hockey game. There's a sense of gamesminship among hockey players that you'll never see in football.

[AtlantaDan]

Have never seen this happen at an NHL game. They even stand for Canada's national anthem. Half of them aren't even American or Canadian and they still stand and show respect.

After getting into the Pens Cup run this spring, hockey players and fans are the best

Check this out when the PA system failed when the Star Spangled Banner was to be sung in Edmonton this past spring

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[Shoes]

I do not think you have to worry about players on the Steelers . not with AV on the roster , it would be like walking up to him and smacking him in the face ... not sure how well that ends for whomever would have the guts to do that

Agreed, I honestly don't think Tomlin would let that happen. I somehow sense that Tomlin has made know his thoughts to the players on this subject. I don't think it will be an issue in Pittsburgh.

[AtlantaDan]

Agreed, I honestly don't think Tomlin would let that happen. I somehow sense that Tomlin has made know his thoughts to the players on this subject. I don't think it will be an issue in Pittsburgh.

Maybe - I am avoiding political discussions and am not pushing my agenda here but as crazy as 2016 was 2017 has been crazier - lots of folks of all political views are on the edge

[Dwinsgames]

another BIG reason to NOT sit during the anthem if you are a steelers player

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHMrEyaU0AAWnl0.jpg:large

[steel striker]

I never did care for Lynch or Bennett from the sea hags!

[silver & black]

Question, what would any fans do if one of the Steelers players sat or kneeled for the National Anthem? I know I would be done with pro football all together, my man/Steelers cave would be stripped and all stuff given away. They have a right to protest, I have a right to not watch and spend my money else where. Only exception would be is if the Steelers organization chastised said player and condemned his actions and he stood from that point forward, I might in that instance keep watching and keep the Steelers cave.

As a life long Raiders fan, I'd like to him released before he ever plays. I knew he would be an ass..... I just knew it.

[AtlantaDan]

another BIG reason to NOT sit during the anthem if you are a steelers player

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHMrEyaU0AAWnl0.jpg:large

Turns out this quote attributed to Harrison was fake

Harrison’s true thoughts on a player sitting for the anthem are rather simple.

“That’s up to the individual,” Harrison told The MMQB on Thursday. “If they feel like that’s something they want to do, that’s their right.”

He never tweeted “if you are on my team and not standing for Anthem better be because a broken leg or I’m gonna give you one. #EyesonuCK” last year. What you saw was a Photoshopped tweet. A poorly Photoshopped tweet. And he did not tell an author who shares a name with the title character of an Adam Sandler film, working for a generically named sports outlet, that “anyone on my team sits for the anthem, they better be in a wheelchair.”

The fake news didn’t irk Harrison, necessarily, but it puts the focus on a greater issue we’re facing.

“I mean, I guess it speaks to the gullibility of people,” Harrison says. “Just because you read something on social media doesn’t make it true. If you were to do that and believe everything that you hear or see, written or there, the world would be in a real bad place. And we’re already in a tough place now.” ...

As for the participation trophy comments? “Now that was real,” Harrison says. “Oh yeah.” :chuckle:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/18/james-harrison-fake-news-anthem-protests-happy-gilmore-jeremy-roenick

[tube517]

That fake tweet was put out last year and Deebo debunked it last year.

[AtlantaDan]

That fake tweet was put out last year and Deebo debunked it last year.

Since it showed up again this week with an August 13, 2017, twitter date tied to it, the quote got some more circulation and Steelers PR decided to aggressively snuff the rumor once again

On Aug. 13, “Happy Gilmore” posted the fake story. It apparently made its way to Facebook, and by the following morning, former NHL star Jeremy Roenick had tweeted a screengrab of the post with the following message: “Now this is a man I want on my team! Too bad we have to sit around and watch disrespectful athletes sit on coolers!! Disgraceful!”

Roenick’s tweet still stands days later with more than 3,300 retweets, despite numerous replies informing him the news was fake.

Burt Lauten, the Steelers’ PR honcho, got word of the story around lunchtime that day. He called Harrison to make sure he hadn’t said it—Harrison confirmed he had not, and Lauten promptly put out a tweet at 1:51 p.m. stating the alleged comments “are false & should not be used as a reference.” Lauten’s tweet (https://twitter.com/SteelersPRBurt/status/897153686123794432), which is almost identical to the one he had to put out around this time last year, has 229 retweets at the time of publication.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/18/james-harrison-fake-news-anthem-protests-happy-gilmore-jeremy-roenick

(https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/18/james-harrison-fake-news-anthem-protests-happy-gilmore-jeremy-roenick)

[Edman]

Its not even the sitting that is so stupid.

It's the fact that this is all phony grandstanding. These "protesters" don't even believe half of the shit they're being told.

[AtlantaDan]

Its not even the sitting that is so stupid.

It's the fact that this is all phony grandstanding. These "protesters" don't even believe half of the shit they're being told.

Cannot imagine where the players learned about phony grandstanding :rolleyes:

This story from 2015

The NFL reportedly accepted millions of dollars from the Defense Department over the course of three years in exchange for honoring troops and veterans before games, the New Jersey Star Ledger reports (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/05/taxpayers_pony_up_for_jets_salutes_to_nj_national. html).

The Pentagon reportedly signed contracts with 14 NFL teams — including the New York Jets, the Indianapolis Colts and the Baltimore Ravens — between 2011-2012 stipulating that teams would be paid sums ranging from $60,000-$1 million each (in federal taxpayer money) to pause before the start of games and salute the city's "hometown heroes," according to nj.com. (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/05/which_nfl_teams_are_getting_your_federal_tax_dolla .html)

Agreements also include advertising on stadium screens and sideline 'Coaches Club' seats for soldiers.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pentagon-pays-the-nfl-millions-to-honor-veterans-at-games-2015-5

[Born2Steel]

Are these the same athletes claiming belief that the world is really flat? Pro athletes just keep getting weirder. Protest an unjust world by sitting? Better NEVER stand up then.

[86WARD]

The thing that annoys me most is that TE morons aren't even protesting the right thing. You protest the National Anthem and The Flag...so you protest the two things that stand for equality, liberty, justice and freedom? You should actually be trying to support that more than ever. You should be standing at the forefront...maybe protest by standing in front of everyone else, take a step forward.

Wonder if they would sit during MLKs speech. Would only make sense...

[BostonBlackie]

Cannot imagine where the players learned about phony grandstanding :rolleyes:

This story from 2015

The NFL reportedly accepted millions of dollars from the Defense Department over the course of three years in exchange for honoring troops and veterans before games, the New Jersey Star Ledger reports (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/05/taxpayers_pony_up_for_jets_salutes_to_nj_national. html).

The Pentagon reportedly signed contracts with 14 NFL teams — including the New York Jets, the Indianapolis Colts and the Baltimore Ravens — between 2011-2012 stipulating that teams would be paid sums ranging from $60,000-$1 million each (in federal taxpayer money) to pause before the start of games and salute the city's "hometown heroes," according to nj.com. (http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/05/which_nfl_teams_are_getting_your_federal_tax_dolla .html)

Agreements also include advertising on stadium screens and sideline 'Coaches Club' seats for soldiers.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-pentagon-pays-the-nfl-millions-to-honor-veterans-at-games-2015-5


There's nothing wrong with the Department of Defense wanting to reach potential volunteers through the NFL. I would suggest though that the effort should be concentrated here in the New England area in order to increase the IQ of the average soldier, sailor, or marine.

[AtlantaDan]

There's nothing wrong with the Department of Defense wanting to reach potential volunteers through the NFL. I would suggest though that the effort should be concentrated here in the New England area in order to increase the IQ of the average soldier, sailor, or marine.

Doubtful many volunteers signed up because they found out there are U.S. armed forces by watching NFL game time ceremonies

Even the NFL, which is a pretty shameless operation, thought this money grab was too much even by its low standards once it was publicized

The NFL is returning more than $700,000 of taxpayers' money that was paid to teams for sponsored military tributes.

After being criticized for "paid patriotism," in which money came out of the armed forces budget for various measures of public recognition during games, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said that the league would pay that money back.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/15611052/nfl-returning-723000-taxpayers-paid-military-tributes

If the NFL wants to wrap itself in the flag do it for free but then do not wonder why some players decide they too can use the flag as a prop for their own purposes

[BostonBlackie]

Doubtful many volunteers signed up because they found out there are U.S. armed forces by watching NFL game time ceremonies

Even the NFL, which is a pretty shameless operation, thought this money grab was too much even by its low standards once it was publicized

The NFL is returning more than $700,000 of taxpayers' money that was paid to teams for sponsored military tributes.

After being criticized for "paid patriotism," in which money came out of the armed forces budget for various measures of public recognition during games, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said that the league would pay that money back.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/15611052/nfl-returning-723000-taxpayers-paid-military-tributes

If the NFL wants to wrap itself in the flag do it for free but then do not wonder why some players decide they too can use the flag as a prop for their own purposes


I don't see why the Department of Defense wouldn't take advantage of a sporting event that salutes "manliness", is already beginning with the national anthem, etc., etc.? Sounds like a match made in heaven. Further, if they want to use the NFL's stage to advertise, why shouldn't the NFL charge them? The pentagon has an advertising budget.

Your comment about finding out about our military by watching an NFL game falls flat. It's that the military is being honored at a national sporting event on the level of the NFL, obviously.

Another staged event. Should we be cynical about the loss of life this represents also?

http://dujye7n3e5wjl.cloudfront.net/photographs/640-tall/time-100-influential-photos-joe-rosenthal-flag-raising-iwo-jima-35.jpg

[AtlantaDan]

There's nothing wrong with the Department of Defense wanting to reach potential volunteers through the NFL.



Your comment about finding out about our military by watching an NFL game falls flat. It's that the military is being honored at a national sporting event on the level of the NFL, obviously.

You made the argument that the expenditures can be justified as a recruiting expense. Do you actually believe someone is going to sign up because of some pregame ceremony?


Another staged event. Should we be cynical about the loss of life this represents also?

http://dujye7n3e5wjl.cloudfront.net/photographs/640-tall/time-100-influential-photos-joe-rosenthal-flag-raising-iwo-jima-35.jpg

I was unaware the military paid the photographer to take that photo of a battlefield victory and newspapers to publish it or that commemorating Iwo Jima is the same as whooping it up pregame before a professional sports event

And nice try to twist my post into an attack on the DoD. My point was the NFL has tied itself up with patriotism to advance its own interests rather than selflessly support the armed forces for decades and had the chutzpah to take $$$ for it rather than do it for free - giving the $$$ back once it was publicized is a further indication of how cynical that enterprise was

But everything with the NFL is a marketing opportunity

http://www.nflshop.com/Salute_To_Service

[fansince'76]

I would suggest though that the effort should be concentrated here in the New England area in order to increase the IQ of the average soldier, sailor, or marine.

:rolleyes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG6ZUMiLRJw

[AtlantaDan]

Browns gotta be Browns

A group of Cleveland Browns players chose to kneel and huddle during the national anthem before Monday's preseason game against the New York Giants....

The players' stance comes after Browns coach Hue Jackson was criticized last week for saying he hoped player protests "wouldn't happen here."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/browns/2017/08/21/browns-players-kneel-huddle-during-national-anthem/588485001/

The main story here is that a group of players effectively flipped off their head coach

[BostonBlackie]

You made the argument that the expenditures can be justified as a recruiting expense. Do you actually believe someone is going to sign up because of some pregame ceremony?



I was unaware the military paid the photographer to take that photo of a battlefield victory and newspapers to publish it or that commemorating Iwo Jima is the same as whooping it up pregame before a professional sports event

And nice try to twist my post into an attack on the DoD. My point was the NFL has tied itself up with patriotism to advance its own interests rather than selflessly support the armed forces for decades and had the chutzpah to take $$$ for it rather than do it for free - giving the $$$ back once it was publicized is a further indication of how cynical that enterprise was

But everything with the NFL is a marketing opportunity

http://www.nflshop.com/Salute_To_Service

That Iwo Jima photograph was staged just like the "patriotic" display of the American Flag, in conjunction with the pentagon, at the beginning of some NFL games. And the NFL is no more or less a marketing exercise than the DoD, or any other large organization. In fact if anybody is being cynical it's the Department of Defense. That act at the beginning of games can cost a young man who joins up his legs, his eyesight, his reproductive equipment, not to mention his soul.

You have to use your head in this world, little is what it's portrayed to be, including Kaepernick who is putting on an act just like everyone else who's involved.

[BostonBlackie]

:rolleyes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG6ZUMiLRJw

10 Of Forbes’ Top 20 American Colleges Are In New EnglandJuly 5, 2016 1:34 PM
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https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/harvard.jpg?w=625&h=352&crop=1Harvard University (WBZ-TV)


(http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/07/05/forbes-top-colleges-america-new-england-stanford/#)
(http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/07/05/forbes-top-colleges-america-new-england-stanford/#)
(http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/07/05/forbes-top-colleges-america-new-england-stanford/#)



BOSTON (CBS) – Half of the top 20 colleges in the country are located right in New England, according to the latest Forbes ranking.

[AtlantaDan]

That Iwo Jima photograph was staged just like the "patriotic" display of the American Flag, in conjunction with the pentagon, at the beginning of some NFL games.

Not as clear cut as you might believe

The image was so good that critics accused [photographer Joe ] Rosenthal of staging it -- a myth he fought for more than 60 years. The rumor started for a good reason. Rosenthal actually did stage a photo on the summit. But the photo he posed was a different picture that was taken after the famous flag-raising. In the staged photo, Marines posed in front of the flag, victoriously holding their helmets and rifles in the air.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/22/world/cnnphotos-iwo-jima/index.html



You have to use your head in this world, little is what it's portrayed to be, including Kaepernick who is putting on an act just like everyone else who's involved.

I think you more or less just agreed with my initial point below (aside from you being fine with the money grab, which even the NFL found embarrassing once it was revealed)


If the NFL wants to wrap itself in the flag do it for free but then do not wonder why some players decide they too can use the flag as a prop for their own purposes

So we are in agreement that the NFL is a cynical organization that will use all available marketing tools, including manipulation of patriotic images, to sell football games and cannot be surprised when players start to use the same tools for their own purposes since the NFL has been doing it long before the kneeling by Kaepernick and others started

Glad we cleared that up

:drink:

[86WARD]

10 Of Forbes’ Top 20 American Colleges Are In New EnglandJuly 5, 2016 1:34 PM
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https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/harvard.jpg?w=625&h=352&crop=1Harvard University (WBZ-TV)


(http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/07/05/forbes-top-colleges-america-new-england-stanford/#)
(http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/07/05/forbes-top-colleges-america-new-england-stanford/#)
(http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/07/05/forbes-top-colleges-america-new-england-stanford/#)



BOSTON (CBS) – Half of the top 20 colleges in the country are located right in New England, according to the latest Forbes ranking.




So what you are saying is most of Boston attends out of state schools. Did not know that. Thanks.

[BostonBlackie]

Not as clear cut as you might believe

The image was so good that critics accused [photographer Joe ] Rosenthal of staging it -- a myth he fought for more than 60 years. The rumor started for a good reason. Rosenthal actually did stage a photo on the summit. But the photo he posed was a different picture that was taken after the famous flag-raising. In the staged photo, Marines posed in front of the flag, victoriously holding their helmets and rifles in the air.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/22/world/cnnphotos-iwo-jima/index.html




I think you more or less just agreed with my initial point below (aside from you being fine with the money grab, which even the NFL found embarrassing once it was revealed)



So we are in agreement that the NFL is a cynical organization that will use all available marketing tools, including manipulation of patriotic images, to sell football games and cannot be surprised when players start to use the same tools for their own purposes since the NFL has been doing it long before the kneeling by Kaepernick and others started

Glad we cleared that up

:drink:

They thought the first flag wasn't big enough, so the picture you see was of Marines who were ordered to put up a bigger flag. Clearly not some spontaneous flag raising like what had happened originally. Further, the picture was used to sell war bonds. Just like the scene at the beginning of NFL games is designed to attract volunteers by the military. And no, the NFL isn't manipulating patriotic images, the DoD is, and is paying the NFL to do so on their stage, in front of their audience, on TV time bought by the NFL. So yes, the DOD owes the NFL. Even further, Kaepernick is using the NFLs, and the DODs, bought and paid for stage to push his own agenda. His bill has come due.

I'm happy I could help you get a better understanding of the issue.

[BostonBlackie]

So what you are saying is most of Boston attends out of state schools. Did not know that. Thanks.

Original quote, "I would suggest though that the effort should be concentrated here in the New England area in order to increase the IQ of the average soldier, sailor, or marine." Nothing about Boston. Of course if you want to talk about Boston and environs we can start with Harvard, and MIT.

[AtlantaDan]

I'm happy I could help you get a better understanding of the issue.

Thanks - always glad to learn from someone sharing their unsubstantiated opinions with no supporting cites to other sources of information

[Count Steeler]

10 Of Forbes’ Top 20 American Colleges Are In New England

July 5, 2016 1:34 PM
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BOSTON (CBS) – Half of the top 20 colleges in the country are located right in New England, according to the latest Forbes ranking.




With all that education you would think that they would have better oral linguistics. Fenway Pahk? Pahk yer cah? Perhaps they are teaching the art of the BJ and the side effects are how they speak.

[BostonBlackie]

Early Lead (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/)
‘We have work to do’: 12 Browns — including one white player — take a knee during anthem




I would suggest that these players take out an ad in a newspaper, or tweet their concerns, rather than suck off the NFLs tit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/08/22/we-have-work-to-do-12-browns-including-one-white-player-take-a-knee-during-anthem/?utm_term=.ba9989fef0ce

[AtlantaDan]

Original quote, "I would suggest though that the effort should be concentrated here in the New England area in order to increase the IQ of the average soldier, sailor, or marine." Nothing about Boston. Of course if you want to talk about Boston and environs we can start with Harvard, and MIT.

Which one did you attend? :rolleyes:

[BostonBlackie]

Thanks - always glad to learn from someone sharing their unsubstantiated opinions with no supporting cites to other sources of information

There's no documentation available for commonsense. You either have it, or you don't.

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Which one did you attend?

I went to an international school, the University of Vietnam, then used the GI Bill to attend Northeastern.

[AtlantaDan]

I went to an international school, the University of Vietnam, then used the GI Bill to attend Northeastern.

Oh - so when you contend the superior intelligence of those in New England is established by the number of New England schools listed in a Forbes article that excludes you since you did not attend one of those schools:wink02:

Thanks for the common sense clarification

[BostonBlackie]

Oh - so when you contend the superior intelligence of those in New England is established by the number of New England schools listed in a Forbes article that excludes you since you did not attend one of those schools:wink02:

Thanks for the common sense clarification

Weak. What I'd expect from a Steeler poster from Atlanta.

[AtlantaDan]

Weak. What I'd expect from a Steeler poster from Atlanta.

It is your definition of how to measure superior intelligence, not mine

Pro tip - do not establish a debating point if the facts regarding it undermine your position

[BostonBlackie]

It is your definition of how to measure superior intelligence, not mine

Pro tip - do not establish a debating point if the facts regarding it undermine your position

You make a lot of stuff up, and then believe it. Not particularly flattering.

[AtlantaDan]

You make a lot of stuff up, and then believe it. Not particularly flattering.

What did I "make up"?

[ALLD]

They thought the first flag wasn't big enough, so the picture you see was of Marines who were ordered to put up a bigger flag. Clearly not some spontaneous flag raising like what had happened originally. Further, the picture was used to sell war bonds. Just like the scene at the beginning of NFL games is designed to attract volunteers by the military. And no, the NFL isn't manipulating patriotic images, the DoD is, and is paying the NFL to do so on their stage, in front of their audience, on TV time bought by the NFL. So yes, the DOD owes the NFL. Even further, Kaepernick is using the NFLs, and the DODs, bought and paid for stage to push his own agenda. His bill has come due.

I'm happy I could help you get a better understanding of the issue.


I saw the film of Rosenthal's photo. Yes, they changed flags, but it was done on the fly. Now during the war they reenacted the scene during war bond drives.

[BostonBlackie]

What did I "make up"?

"Pro tip"

That you're a pro debater. You're not, yet you have talked yourself into believing you are. In other words you're a blowhard.

[AtlantaDan]

"Pro tip"

That you're a pro debater. You're not, yet you have talked yourself into believing you are. In other words you're a blowhard.

Consider learning the terminology before you lob an accusation even though it appears that is not how you roll

PROTIP (sometimes spelled Pro Tip) is an Internet slang (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/internet-slang) term commonly used in online communities and social networking platforms to preface a piece of advice or suggestion that may either be genuinely helpful or self-explanatory in nature.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/protip

Anything else?

[BostonBlackie]

Former federal prosecutor

Former federal blowhard.

[AtlantaDan]

Former federal blowhard.

That all you got? Still waiting to hear what I made up

[BostonBlackie]

With all that education you would think that they would have better oral linguistics. Fenway Pahk? Pahk yer cah? Perhaps they are teaching the art of the BJ and the side effects are how they speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLwbzGyC6t4