Bryant is still in the process of being fully reinstated

[st33lersguy]

Who knows, maybe by next week, he'll be cleared to play week 1 and the first half of week 2

[teegre]

Who knows, maybe by next week, he'll be cleared to play week 1 and the first half of week 2

I foresee a mysterious "one-week-suspension" starting on Dec. 15th.

[tube517]

I foresee a mysterious "one-week-suspension" starting on Dec. 15th.

or the weeks of the Cheats** game or the Ratbird game(s)...

[polamalubeast]

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[AtlantaDan]

"We're going to put our foot on the gas and proceed," said coach Mike Tomlin to KDKA-TV at halftime of the Giants game. "He's physically ready. We've gotten the go-ahead from New York [NFL office]. We got him in a stringent workout and warm-up tonight. We didn't deem it was appropriate because of lack of prep to play in this game. He'll start like the rest of them when we get back to Latrobe and continue with development."

http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/24559/martavis-bryant-steelers-to-put-our-foot-on-the-gas-in-camp

[86WARD]

896343911647633408

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[stillers4me]

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[polamalubeast]

Bryant was allowed to work out with the Steelers during offseason training activities and minicamp, but he was not allowed to participate in training camp until he had complied with requirements to set up out-patient counseling and treatment. He spent the first two weeks of training camp at Saint Vincent College working out in a shorts and catching passes from a team aide on an adjacent field.

“Honestly, I had nothing to do with that,” Bryant said when asked about the sessions. “My agent, Kevin Colbert and Mr. [Art] Rooney [II] were talking to the league about it so whatever needs to get done they are going to make sure I do it. I’m just happy the process is going smoothly for me.”


read more

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/08/12/Martavis-Bryant-partially-reinstated-back-with-the-Steelers-offense-at-practice/stories/201708120099

[Dwinsgames]

Steelers LB Arthur Moats says Martavis Bryant had an extra gear in his first practice back.

[polamalubeast]

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[Dwinsgames]

Cockrell vs Bryant is a bigger mismatch than Cockrell vs Brown ...

Brown is not nearly as fast as Bryant and Brown is to fast for Cockrell

[Craic]

It's being reported he has been cleared for preseason games and practices, not yet for regular season games. They should just fully reinstate him already and stop dragging this out as much as possible

Nope. Not at all. Let's go back a few years and look at what has happened.

2000. Larry Webster suspended indefinitely (although later reinstated). This was after a 6 game suspension in 1995 and a year long suspension in 1996.
2002. Dale Carter suspended indefinitely after being suspended indefinitely and then reinstated in 2000.
2004. Darrell Russell suspended indefinitely after being suspended an entire season in 2002.
2008. Odell Thurman was suspended indefinitely after being suspended for the 2006 and 2007 seasons.
2008. Travis Henry suspended indefinitely after being suspended 4 games in 2005
2010. Johnny Jolly suspended indefinitely. 2011, arrested for drugs and sentenced to 6 years in jail.
2010. Tanard Jackson suspended indefinitely after four game suspension. He was reinstated. Suspended indefinitely again in 2012. Reinstated in 2014. Suspended indefinitely again in 2014.
2013. In Nov., Justin Blackmon suspended indefinitely after 4 game suspension in April of 2013.
2014. Fred Davis suspended indefinitely after 4 game suspension in 2011.
2015. Trey Watts, Nov. Indefinite suspension after 4 game suspension in May 2015.
2015. LaRon Landry, indefinite suspension after 4 game suspension in 2014.
2016. Silas Redd indefinite suspension after 4 game suspension in 2015.
2016 November, Sammie Hill indefinite suspension after 4 game suspension in Aug. 2016.
2016. Roland McClain, indefinite suspension after 16 game suspension a month earlier.

On top of that, you have players like Josh Gordon who was suspended an entire season, twice. Lesson to be learned? Repeat offenders repeat offenses. What the NFL is doing right now is the best way to stop Bryant from becoming another “indefinite.” Honestly, we should be thanking the league, because they’re doing everything possible to assure he stays in it.

[Shoes]

Cockrell vs Bryant is a bigger mismatch than Cockrell vs Brown ...

Brown is not nearly as fast as Bryant and Brown is to fast for Cockrell

If Ben could hit Bryant in stride, I believe he (Bryant) would make a TD on nearly every play

[polamalubeast]

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[86WARD]

Let's not get excited he was going against Cockring.

[polamalubeast]

Let's not get excited he was going against Cockring.


The difference is that Bryant has already shown its potential in real games.....Bryant just needs to be more consistent

[86WARD]

The difference is that Bryant has already shown its potential in real games.....Bryant just needs to be more consistent

More consistent as in playing every game?

[polamalubeast]

More consistent as in playing every game?

The most consistent possible, not disappear during some games.

read this article

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/08/counting-bryant-take-consistent-not-bigger-step-2017/

[polamalubeast]

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Put Burns on him!

[st33lersguy]

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Put Burns on him!

Yep, then watch ab torch cockrell relentlessly

[BurghBoy412]

Yep, then watch ab torch cockrell relentlesslyCockrell = weak link

[st33lersguy]

Cockrell = weak link

Yep.

[GBMelBlount]

Yep.

Is there anyone affordable still available that could be a significant upgrade over Cockrell?

[Hawkman]

It's like the old days when everything turned into an O line thread. Look above kids....this is about Bryant.....start a new thread if necessary.

[Mojouw]

Cockrell = weak link

That might actually be Willie Gay. Considering the Steelers having been "spamming" picks at slot CB (Golson, Sutton, Hilton, Sensabaugh, etc) for several seasons now and specifically listed "Gay, William" as one of the main reasons that the couldn't play everyone's coveted man coverage schemes last season in the playoffs -- I don't get the Cockerell hate.

Sure if Cock is your #1 then maybe you have some hard times ahead, but if Cock is your #2 then it might not be so hard.

Plus AJ Green doesn't like Cock and AJ Green is pretty darn good...

[polamalubeast]

That might actually be Willie Gay. Considering the Steelers having been "spamming" picks at slot CB (Golson, Sutton, Hilton, Sensabaugh, etc) for several seasons now and specifically listed "Gay, William" as one of the main reasons that the couldn't play everyone's coveted man coverage schemes last season in the playoffs -- I don't get the Cockerell hate.

Sure if Cock is your #1 then maybe you have some hard times ahead, but if Cock is your #2 then it might not be so hard.

Plus AJ Green doesn't like Cock and AJ Green is pretty darn good...

Same for me....Cockrell is not the best,but he is far to be the worse.....


A fourth-round pick by the Buffalo Bills in 2014, Cockrell didn’t make it in Buffalo before playing 1,953 snaps for the Steelers over the past two seasons and starting all 2016. He didn’t record an interception in 2016, but did break up 10 passes and allowed just two scores over 93 total targets including the playoffs. Cockrell has size and range, and didn’t allow a reception longer than 37 yards all season, despite facing some elite receivers.

read more


http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/07/pff-tabs-cb-ross-cockrell-steelers-2017-secret-superstar/

[BurghBoy412]

It's like the old days when everything turned into an O line thread. Look above kids....this is about Bryant.....start a new thread if necessary.Just let the thread flow where it will. No need to rain on everyone's parade. Don't worry I called a Whaaambulance for you.

[pczach]

Sure if Cock is your #1 then maybe you have some hard times ahead, but if Cock is your #2 then it might not be so hard.

Plus AJ Green doesn't like Cock and AJ Green is pretty darn good...

This is why it's hard to not love this place!


:rofl2:

[tube517]

This is why it's hard to not love this place!


:rofl2:

I didn't see that one as I was glancing through earlier :lol: :lol: :lol: (Moj is a sneaky one...)

[polamalubeast]

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[BlackAndGold]

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Hopefully we get two more years of that "greatness" before Bryant leaves via FA, or Ben retires.

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Someone say cock?

http://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/468/17bc3b9ff2894aa7a84a88aa7ad6c238.jpg

*erases history from the past hour after google searching for image*

[86WARD]

Cockrell = weak link

With Cockring out there I don't understand how anyone doesn't think the corners are this teams weak link. He's approaching "Antwan Blake Terrible.".

[polamalubeast]

With Cockring out there I don't understand how anyone doesn't think the corners are this teams weak link. He's approaching "Antwan Blake Terrible.".

Have you seen Blake against us in the last game?

A player who will not make the team (Cody Hamilton) beat Blake twice for 72 yards.36 yards per reception and a TD.

Cockrell is not the best, but compared him to Blake is disrespectful.I do not understand the hate about him in the last few weeks.

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And it's not just the last week

This is the entire 2015 season where the steelers finished 30th against the pass in yards and last year without Blake the steelers finished 12th in yards against the pass.

[BlackAndGold]

Cockrell=new whipping boy.

[polamalubeast]

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[st33lersguy]

With Cockring out there I don't understand how anyone doesn't think the corners are this teams weak link. He's approaching "Antwan Blake Terrible.".

I don't think cockrell is good but he is still better than Blake. Blake may be the worst cb in NFL history.

Also I think safety is weaker. Davis is the only good safety on this team. Mitchell gets paid a lot and does nothing but get out of position and attempt to tackle with one shoulder. Golden and Dangerfield meanwhile can't cover their asses with a pair of pants

[Mojouw]

I didn't see that one as I was glancing through earlier :lol: :lol: :lol: (Moj is a sneaky one...)

I try. In all seriousness, the secondary will go as Burns goes. Lot of pressure for a raw guy in his second NFL season.


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[polamalubeast]

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[pczach]

I understand some of the concerns with the secondary, but I think the bashing of Cockrell is just silly.

Cockrell was forced to be the #1 corner and routinely followed the opponents best WR all over the field. He is not a #1 from a talent perspective, but he held up pretty well in his role. For crying out loud...give the guy a break.

Now that Burns has established himself as the #1 CB, I think it solidifies the secondary and provides the opportunity for the defense to take a big step forward.

Burns is a year more experienced, and you can see he has worked on his strength and his craft.

Cockrell is a hard worker who was forced to be a #1, but is now able to be a #2 corner.

There is now young talent competing for the remaining CB positions, and Gay is the veteran if they choose to keep his experience. Having Sutton, Hilton, and Allen as young, raw talent with pure cover skills is exciting to me, and knowing that someone with that kind of talent may not make the roster should encourage everyone that the talent level has taken a significant step forward. You can even see a guy like Brian Allen coming from the practice squad that can contribute if he continues to progress with his size. He can match up in the right situations because of his size and press cover ability.

Davis looks to be ready to start being a consistent playmaker for this defense in his second year.

Mitchell played much better as the year went on and Davis was inserted into the starting lineup. I think their chemistry will be much better this year, and the secondary will help the defense make more stops and get off the field.

There are plenty of reason to be positive about the direction of the secondary.

[polamalubeast]

Great post pzach

I am probably the most confident person on this forum on this defense.

This defense has enormous potential and I have high expectations in them this year.

I can not believe that Cockrell was comparing to Antwon Blake .... WOW

[polamalubeast]

Cockrell = weak link


In fact the weak link of the steelers is Jesse James.

[BurghBoy412]

In fact the weak link of the steelers is Jesse James.Bet? Let's lay out some parameters. Whichever guy has the poorer season we'll officially dub "weak link".

[polamalubeast]

Bet? Let's lay out some parameters. Whichever guy has the poorer season we'll officially dub "weak link".



No, I hate betting, but Jesse James has not have the potential to have at least 10 yards per catch.If James does that(10 yards per catch or more) with 30-40 catch, I'll be glad to say I have been wrong, but I do not bet because I hate it.

In the last few weeks, Jesse James is the most overrated steelers and Cockrell is the most underrated, especially when I saw someone compare him with Antwon Blake !!!!

I still can not believe

[Mojouw]

Cocky got graded out by PFF as a top 25 corner the past two seasons.

Jesse James is still trying to figure out how to run block.

That's not even a contest.

[Shoes]

Sure hope we draft a TE next year! :chuckle:

[Mojouw]

Sure hope we draft a TE next year! :chuckle:

I'm all for it - as long as he can do actual TE things!:smoker:

[BurghBoy412]

Cocky got graded out by PFF as a top 25 corner the past two seasons.

Jesse James is still trying to figure out how to run block.

That's not even a contest.PFF? You're kidding right?

[BurghBoy412]

Sure hope we draft a TE next year! :chuckle:Didn't make much sense passing on TE this year. Oh well there's always next year. Ha

[Mojouw]

PFF? You're kidding right?

Not at all. What evidence do you have that Cock is not one of the 40 best CBs in the league.


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[teegre]

Cockrell=new whipping boy.

BINGO!!!

[polamalubeast]

Cockrell=new whipping boy.

For no reason....

[BurghBoy412]

Not at all. What evidence do you have that Cock is not one of the 40 best CBs in the league.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's probably his 2 career INT's and 25 total pass def. I'm not saying he's the worst player who ever lived. However I like players that can take the ball away. I feel like Cockrell is more of a chase & tackle player. He's not a ball hawking shut down guy. He cannot be left alone on the outside to cover deep because he lacks elite speed. He always needs a safety over the top to help. That is a liability. Teams know if they send a player deep on Cockrell's side he's going to draw help from the Safety which takes up 2 secondary players with one receiver. Again he may not be the worst player ever. On this Defense however Cock is a liability.

If he is so great why did the team get away with an original round tender (4th) in the off-season. If he's so spectacular why didn't some team give up the 4th Rd pick and sign him up? Lots of teams could use an upgrade at the #2 CB slot. Why didn't another team slide in and take him away?

[polamalubeast]

It's probably his 2 career INT's and 25 total pass def. I'm not saying he's the worst player who ever lived. However I like players that can take the ball away. I feel like Cockrell is more of a chase & tackle player. He's not a ball hawking shut down guy. He cannot be left alone on the outside to cover deep because he lacks elite speed. He always needs a safety over the top to help. That is a liability. Teams know if they send a player deep on Cockrell's side he's going to draw help from the Safety which takes up 2 secondary players with one receiver. Again he may not be the worst player ever. On this Defense however Cock is a liability.

If he is so great why did the team get away with an original round tender (4th) in the off-season. If he's so spectacular why didn't some team give up the 4th Rd pick and sign him up? Lots of teams could use an upgrade at the #2 CB slot. Why didn't another team slide in and take him away?


No one has said that Cockrell was great(top 40 is not great,but not bad too), but he is a good corner number 2.If Burns take the next step, it's going to be huge for the steelers.

If this is the case,I would put the second best WR of the other team one on one against Burns and I would double the best WR of the other team

[BurghBoy412]

No one has said that Cockrell was great(top 40 is not great,but not bad too), but he is a good corner number 2.If Burns take the next step, it's going to be huge for the steelers.

If this is the case,I would put the second best WR of the other team one on one against Burns and I would double the best WR of the other teamIf he was a legitimate top 40 CB one of the 31 other teams would have given up a 4th Rd pick to sign him.

[DesertSteel]

Cockrell = Interference

[polamalubeast]

If he was a legitimate top 40 CB one of the 31 other teams would have given up a 4th Rd pick to sign him.


Maybe Cockrell had not had the contract he wanted....

[Mojouw]

I don't see it. Sure as a "#1 Shutdown corner in the National FOOTBALL League" then Cock is problematic at best. But to argue that he isn't a legit and more than adequate second corner - well that just seems to fly in the face of 2 seasons worth of evidence.

Is he possibly the least athletically gifted of the starting 11 defenders? Maybe. But last season, Artie Burns, Willie Gay, and Robert Golden were far far more liabilities in coverage than Cockrell was.

As to other NFL teams not signing a player -- well look at the annual crapfest that is the draft and free agency and tell me you really want to use what other franchises valuations of players are as a barometer.

[DesertSteel]

I don't see it. Sure as a "#1 Shutdown corner in the National FOOTBALL League" then Cock is problematic at best. But to argue that he isn't a legit and more than adequate second corner - well that just seems to fly in the face of 2 seasons worth of evidence.

Is he possibly the least athletically gifted of the starting 11 defenders? Maybe. But last season, Artie Burns, Willie Gay, and Robert Golden were far far more liabilities in coverage than Cockrell was.

As to other NFL teams not signing a player -- well look at the annual crapfest that is the draft and free agency and tell me you really want to use what other franchises valuations of players are as a barometer.
But given their paltry tender to Cockrell, it would seem that even the Steelers hold a similar view.

[polamalubeast]

But given their paltry tender to Cockrell, it would seem that even the Steelers hold a similar view.


Same team which put only an 3rd round tender on Emmanuel Sanders in 2013 in a weak draft....

[Mojouw]

But given their paltry tender to Cockrell, it would seem that even the Steelers hold a similar view.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Bottom line is that he has ranked highly in the passes defensed category both 2015 and 2016 (https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/passes-defended/2016/) - especially when you consider there are 64 starting CBs in the league.

Clearly the Steelers are trying to add to their outside CB position with the selection of Allen this past draft. While I am not making a case that Cockrell is a great cover CB that should be assured of a long-term role in this defense -- I do not think he is the culprit for major breakdowns.

Whenever the Steelers really got burned consistently in the passing game - Gay, Golden, Dangerfield and the LBs were usually involved. The lack of adequate resources for nickel, dime, and quarters coverage packages was far more problematic than the play of either CB in base sets. Couple that with an anemic OLB pass rush and any 3-4 team is going to have problems against the pass.

In all seriousness, I hope that Allen turns into Ike Taylor 2.0 and can be paired with a budding star in Artie Burns in 2018. I dream of a secondary filled with long armed guys with great hands who run like gazelles creating turnovers behind a front 7 that creates absolute chaos at the line of scrimmage. In a best case scenario - many of the pieces for that are getting put into place. But still a year away.

[DesertSteel]

The Steelers have every hope that someone will replace Cockrell is what I think. Injuries are derailing that plan this year so far. I hope Allen is Ike with hands!

[Mojouw]

The Steelers have every hope that someone will replace Cockrell is what I think. Injuries are derailing that plan this year so far. I hope Allen is Ike with hands!

How so?

Golson and Sutton are best suited to play in the slot not outside. Those dudes are Wille Gay's replacement.

Allen is the only other DB on the roster who has a shot in the next 2 years of replacing Cocky.

[BurghBoy412]

I don't see it. Sure as a "#1 Shutdown corner in the National FOOTBALL League" then Cock is problematic at best. But to argue that he isn't a legit and more than adequate second corner - well that just seems to fly in the face of 2 seasons worth of evidence.

Is he possibly the least athletically gifted of the starting 11 defenders? Maybe. But last season, Artie Burns, Willie Gay, and Robert Golden were far far more liabilities in coverage than Cockrell was.

Honestly I hope Cockrell proves me wrong. I want to see the guy succeed! I just don't see the ability.

As to other NFL teams not signing a player -- well look at the annual crapfest that is the draft and free agency and tell me you really want to use what other franchises valuations of players are as a barometer.

Honestly I hope Cockrell proves me wrong. With the front 7 they have he shouldn't have to stick with guys for too long.

However he would be the first player I would replace if possible.

[Mojouw]

Honestly I hope Cockrell proves me wrong. With the front 7 they have he shouldn't have to stick with guys for too long. If there was one player on the D I could replace today it would be Ross hands down.

Again, I have no idea why. Like based on what facts and stuff?

I would replace Golden, Gay, Chickillo, and maybe Williams (jury is still out) before I got around to waving my magic wand over Cockrell.

I mean it is a highlight reel and all - but this shows dude playing pretty close to some darn good wideouts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOHjP2SFP70

[BurghBoy412]

I thought I had stated my reasons in a previous post. I think its time to agree to disagree.