Alternative Facts: Introducing Your New Head Coach, Ken Whisenhunt

[polamalubeast]

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[86WARD]

I don't think things would've been terribly different had Whiz been hired as Head Coach.

[st33lersguy]

They may or may not have won the Super Bowl, I don't know, they probably don't make it back in 2010 with Whiz and they would not have been in the postseason the past 3 years and be a Super Bowl contender again this year. Whiz had no NFL success after Kurt Warner retired, none.

[Mojouw]

Whiz was an atrocious NFL head coach. Like just not good. Take away his success with Arizona and he went 3-20 with the Titans.

In the SB against the Steelers they bracketed Fitz with Troy and Ike (not a totally revolutionary concept) and he literally had no answer.

[86WARD]

Think Tomlin will have success when Ben retires or would Whiz still be having success if Warner and Ben were the same age and Warner was still playing?

[Mojouw]

Think Tomlin will have success when Ben retires or would Whiz still be having success if Warner and Ben were the same age and Warner was still playing?

Yes, I do. Tomlin has won several games without Ben and with Ben in adverse roster conditions. His team has not been the most talented and/or healthy team and he has still coached to a victory.

Whisenhunt got his QBs smacked around pretty good. Many Titans observers feel it was the beating and injuries that lack of protection put Mariota through that got him fired.

After Warner retired, Whisenhunt basically never won again in the NFL. I still think he got a raw deal from the Titans and they pulled the rip-cord pretty quick, but you get the franchise battered and injured all while not doing anything else that looks like a competent NFL team -- not going to win you much lee-way with ownership.

[86WARD]

I tend to agree. It's hard to actually debate either way seeing that the rosters each has had have been a bit different than the others. Not sure many coaches would succeed in Tennessee during that time frame.

[polamalubeast]

Ken Whisenhunt has been 21-50 since the retirement of Kurt Warner as HC!!!!

[86WARD]

Ken Whisenhunt has been 21-50 since the retirement of Kurt Warner as HC!!!!

In his defense though, look at the rosters he has had. Not an ideal situation for any HC candidate...

[polamalubeast]

In his defense though, look at the rosters he has had. Not an ideal situation for any HC candidate...

agreed,especially at the QB position.

[st33lersguy]

Tomlin has helped build a talented supporting cast around Ben so yeah he can win without Ben and in Tennessee, the Titans were 7-9 the year before he arrived, he gets hired and they plummet to 2-14. Not to mention he lost for 3 seasons in Arizona after Warner retired as well so let's not try and act like Tomlin and Whiz would have similar success with similar QBs

[Steeldude]

Either the same or perhaps better.

[Mojouw]

Either the same or perhaps better.

I know I'm not going to agree and I know that a part of me is going to regret this...but based on what?

Whisenhunt went 1-7 in his career coming out bye weeks.

Never went better than 10-6 and had multiple losing seasons.

Whisenhunt loves to run trick plays (even more than Haley) and he is absolutely crazy for spread concepts. So if you hate 2-4 yard passes - then this is not the offense for you.

From(https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/3858/how-bad-of-a-head-coach-is-ken-whisenhunt):
The below table displays Whisenhunt and his peers among the 19 other current head coaches who have at least 50 career games coached. Shown below are head coaching records and ranks among these coaches. For the sake of fairness, I took only their records in the same timeframe that Whisenhunt has been a head coach (2007 onward). What kind of company does Whiz keep?


Head Coach
Games
Wins
Rank
Win%
Rank


Lovie Smith
108
54
12th
0.500
16th


Rex Ryan
92
44
15th
0.478
17th


Ron Rivera
60
28
20th
0.475
18th


Ken Whisenhunt
108
47
13th
0.435
t-19th


Tony Sparano
69
30
19th
0.435
t-19th





Another article on Whiz - failing to develop young talent -- http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ken-whisenhunt-rides-the-nfl-coaching-carousel/


I think Whiz is a high caliber OC but a total wash-out as an HC.

[fansince'76]

If Whiz had been hired as HC, we would have lost Roethlisberger as he would have eventually forced a trade, no doubt in my mind about that.

[teegre]

If Whiz had been hired as HC, we would have lost Roethlisberger as he would have eventually forced a trade, no doubt in my mind about that.

Copy, paste, nailed it. :nod: