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stillers4me
05-13-2017, 08:19 AM
One of the disappointments of many fans of the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers) out of the recent draft was the lack of emphasis placed on defensive backs. Particularly after what Tom Brady and the New England Patriots did to them in the last game.


But for one day -- albeit the first day of rookie minicamp -- two rookie cornerbacks, third-rounder Cameron Sutton (http://www.scout.com/player/160929-cameron-sutton) and fifth-rounder Brian Allen (http://www.scout.com/player/211203-brian-allen), looked like premium picks.


Don't take that to mean the top picks were disappointing.


* First-rounder T.J. Watt (http://www.scout.com/player/167065-t-j-watt) is a thin and nimble 250-pounder who should be able to carry 10-15 more pounds.


* Second-rounder JuJu Smith-Schuster (http://www.scout.com/player/170452-juju-smith-schuster) showed all of the athletic characteristics of a starting NFL wide receiver.


* Fourth-round quarterback Joshua Dobbs (http://www.scout.com/player/156724-joshua-dobbs) displayed a beautiful, fluid release of live spirals that stood out in stark contrast Friday.


But it was the rookie cornerbacks who made the plays, each causing gasps of surprise from onlookers...............

Read more @ http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1777937-cornerbacks-steal-spotlight-and-ball

GBMelBlount
05-13-2017, 09:50 AM
Sutton finished school in December and was back to 100 percent for Senior Bowl week.

"I've been feeling really good since then," he said. "I'm definitely feeling really good now."

His (Sutton) leadership and intelligence were obvious on the field and off it on this first day.

He arrived as advertised by a college coaching staff that raved about Sutton's thorough understanding of teammates' assignments and responsibilities during games.

"It makes the game easier for you," Sutton said. "We're all tied to a string out there on the field, all 11 guys. You're able to put guys in different situations to make plays as well as help yourself out.

Your knowing the calls, knowing what to expect out there on the field, studying film and knowing what the offense is going to give you out there on the field, it just makes the game slow down for you and doesn't make you have to worry about so much out there."

Sutton, no doubt, will be a quicker study than Allen, who's still learning a new position. But the 6-foot-3 Allen showed in his first practice what he can do with his long 34-inch arms. Allen used every fraction of that length to pluck an interception of a Dobbs pass out of the air while diving backward and reaching with one hand.

Our young defense should only improve this year and having Watts and our new CB's contributing on defense by the playoffs may be the key to us winning the AFC and getting Ben one more shot at a Lombardi.

Fingers crossed.

st33lersguy
05-13-2017, 02:53 PM
Hopefully they will improve and continue improving

teegre
05-13-2017, 07:42 PM
The Legion of No-Fly

Artie Burns
Sean Davis
Cameron Sutton
Brian Allen

Texasteel
05-13-2017, 10:18 PM
I like the sound of this. I knew Sutton would surprise many once he got healthy, Allen may be a surprise to me.

pczach
05-14-2017, 05:14 AM
The Legion of No-Fly

Artie Burns
Sean Davis
Cameron Sutton
Brian Allen

What?.....No Mike Mitchell?????

:toofunny:

Steeldude
05-14-2017, 05:46 AM
I really hope they succeed. It would be nice to hear people once again refer to the Steelers' defense as the Steel Curtain.

BurghBoy412
05-14-2017, 07:52 AM
I like the sound of this. I knew Sutton would surprise many once he got healthy, Allen may be a surprise to me.

Sutton appears to be a "Defensive QB" for lack of a better term. Prides himself on knowing where everyone should be at all times and what their job is. Guy's gonna be a huge upgrade!

I haven't seen it mentioned but I'm assuming Allen is a very smart player as well. How else do you change positions at the D-1 level and end up being a draftable player? (I suppose the same should be said for TJ) In the words of the Great Arnold Schwazenegger "Hear me know and listen to me later." Allen is going to take Cockrell's job before the season is over.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170514/dd20c6a82ffbdb28e7a542aa8905d282.jpg

Mojouw
05-14-2017, 09:48 AM
If Watt and Dupree can wreak as much havoc upfront as we all think they can, it's gonna make all these DBs look good.

Born2Steel
05-14-2017, 09:53 AM
I love that the DBs are getting the work done. Last season was an improvement over the season before. More improvement this season should be expected. The names mean nothing at this point, it's the unit that I want to see improve. Adding skill and depth to our front 7 will have just as big of an impact as improved secondary play in our pass defense. Want to keep hearing good news from TC.

Mojouw
05-14-2017, 09:56 AM
I love that the DBs are getting the work done. Last season was an improvement over the season before. More improvement this season should be expected. The names mean nothing at this point, it's the unit that I want to see improve. Adding skill and depth to our front 7 will have just as big of an impact as improved secondary play in our pass defense. Want to keep hearing good news from TC.

Also NO INJURIES for once. Howard Wilson shattered a kneecap in Browns camp yesterday gone for the year. About the most Browns hung ever. I fear for Garretts knee ligaments.

Born2Steel
05-14-2017, 09:59 AM
Also NO INJURIES for once. Howard Wilson shattered a kneecap in Browns camp yesterday gone for the year. About the most Browns hung ever. I fear for Garretts knee ligaments.

SHHHHHHHH........

steelcityboyz
05-14-2017, 12:42 PM
Wow, I'm getting excited about this secondary hopefully these two can contribute from the start.

Six Rings
05-15-2017, 03:37 PM
If Watt and Dupree can wreak as much havoc upfront as we all think they can, it's gonna make all these DBs look good.

You bet. Heyward back will also help.

tube517
05-15-2017, 04:19 PM
If Watt and Dupree can wreak as much havoc upfront as we all think they can, it's gonna make all these DBs look good.


You bet. Heyward back will also help.

Heyward/Tuitt/Deebo-TJ/Dupree with Gravedigger and Alualu giving a breather? Add in Shazier running around and sneaking in a few snaps at OLB????

teegre
05-16-2017, 09:00 PM
What?.....No Mike Mitchell?????

:toofunny:

I want to like him... but... my common sense interferes. :lol:

BurghBoy412
05-17-2017, 07:02 AM
I want to like him... but... my common sense interferes. [emoji38]
Honestly what has Mitchell done to make the secondary better? Highly overrated player IMO. I've often wondered why Carnell Lake always gets a pass, when his unit underperforms yearly (usually in the bottom quarter of INTs and they give up a lot of yards). I suppose that's​ just another symptom of my mania. Haha

86WARD
05-17-2017, 05:48 PM
Mitchell has done a lot to help make the DBs better. Mitchell's play hasn't been bad and he makes a receiver think about going over the middle. He's also the central portion of that backend so he communicates to all and he's a smart football player both on the field and in the classroom. Both Burns and Davis have give Mitchell credit for the improvement in their respective games. Just because he takes a dumb penalty and celebrates at dumb times doesn't mean he stinks as player and teammate.

teegre
05-17-2017, 06:43 PM
Both Burns and Davis have give Mitchell credit for the improvement in their respective games.

Which is why I want to like him.

Here's why I can't:

In the Tennessee game from a few years back, the TE jumps for a ball near the back of the end-zone. Mitchell does not push the TE out of bounds (as Ryan Clark would have done); instead, Mitchell goes for a big hit.
Catch.
Both feet land inbounds.
Touchdown.

That play is a microcosm for Mitchell's career.

st33lersguy
05-17-2017, 07:06 PM
Mitchell is adequate some of the time, but far too often makes a dumb play. If the Steelers go down in the playoffs this year, Mitchell giving up a few big plays will probably be part of the reason why

Born2Steel
05-17-2017, 07:32 PM
DB concerns for me come from looking at our upcoming schedule, and the TEs we'll be facing. We still don't have that answered. Not enough/right guys to pass rush AND cover. We tried with Golden last season and that failed miserably.

86WARD
05-17-2017, 09:48 PM
Which is why I want to like him.

Here's why I can't:

In the Tennessee game from a few years back, the TE jumps for a ball near the back of the end-zone. Mitchell does not push the TE out of bounds (as Ryan Clark would have done); instead, Mitchell goes for a big hit.
Catch.
Both feet land inbounds.
Touchdown.

That play is a microcosm for Mitchell's career.

Can't argue that. But people can't say he hasn't helped the secondary.

Perfect timing: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/05/mike-mitchell-deserves-credit-helping-young-secondary-learn-ropes/

BurghBoy412
05-18-2017, 09:15 AM
Why does Carnell Lake always get a pass???

Born2Steel
05-18-2017, 09:26 AM
Tools for the job?

Mojouw
05-18-2017, 10:19 AM
Why does Carnell Lake always get a pass???

Lake has been with the team as a DB coach since 2011.

In that time the Steelers defense has ranked: 1, 6, 14, 18, 11, and 10 in points allowed. Every year but one in the top half of the league.

In that time the Steelers have drafted 12 defensive backs (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/draft.htm). 7 are no longer with the team and I'm not sure if a few of them are even in the league. Golson, Davis, Burns, Sutton, and Allen all appear to have a bright NFL future if we are optimistic.

The other flops on that draft list - is that on Lake or the scouts? We don't know. But man, they sure swung and missed on a TON of DBs in the past half dozen or so years.

86WARD
05-18-2017, 10:52 AM
Lake has been with the team as a DB coach since 2011.

In that time the Steelers defense has ranked: 1, 6, 14, 18, 11, and 10 in points allowed. Every year but one in the top half of the league.

In that time the Steelers have drafted 12 defensive backs (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/draft.htm). 7 are no longer with the team and I'm not sure if a few of them are even in the league. Golson, Davis, Burns, Sutton, and Allen all appear to have a bright NFL future if we are optimistic.

The other flops on that draft list - is that on Lake or the scouts? We don't know. But man, they sure swung and missed on a TON of DBs in the past half dozen or so years.

I would tend to think if those DBs aren't on an NFL roster, it's not so much Lake as the talent. It's not like he's had Antwan Blake and then Blake went on to be Darrell Revis with the Saints or whoever...Cardinals...lol. If the talent isn't there, Lake can only do so much.

BurghBoy412
05-18-2017, 12:24 PM
Thanks for posting about Lake. I suppose it's hard to tell if he's been making the most with subpar talent or he's responsible for bringing in the subpar talent. Either way, I don't believe he's under enough scrutiny. When you work for a team that great undervalues DB's... You can't afford to miss on a pick.

Hawkman
05-18-2017, 02:36 PM
Lake was charged with replacing and coaching up the group of Troy, Taylor, and Clark. Part chemistry, part talent. Not an easy task for any coach. I have to give him a couple of more years to see how the newest crop of DBs pans out. Also, losing an early round pick, (Golson) for two seasons certainly doesn't help.