PDA

View Full Version : Post Draft 53 Man Roster



Mojouw
05-07-2017, 04:34 PM
Just for fun, I tried to come up with a 53 man roster -- not going to even consider the PS.

QB (3): Roethlisberger, Jones, Dobbs
RB/FB (4): Bell, Conner, Davis, Nix
TE (3): Green, James, Grimble
WR (6): AB, Bryant, Rogers, Coates, JJSS, DHB

OT (4): AV, Gilbert, Hawkins, Hubbard
G (3): Foster, DeCastro, Finney
C (2): Pouncey, and that one guy whose name I forget

NT(2): Hargrave, McCullers
DE (5): Heyward, Tuitt, Alualu, LT Walton, Matthews

OLB(4): Dupree, Harrison, Watt, Adams
ILB (4): Shazier, Williams, Matekavich, Johnson
OLB/ILB (1): Moats

CB (5): Burns, Cockrell, Golson/Gay, Sutton, Allen
S (3): Mitchell, Davis, Golden

Specialists (3): LS, K, P

That takes me to 52. So I have an open roster spot. Perhaps a TE or S to be named later? Another OLB? Just stick Sensabaugh on the roster? Keep Gay and Golson?

If they need roster spots, they can poach one from the DL. I think the world could live without LT Walton. Another place is along the OL. With so many players being "position flexible" maybe than can slide one of the interior back-ups onto the PS?

Biggest surprise to me, considering I made it that is saying something. But I can't see a way to get Ayers on the roster. Not sure Sensbaugh makes it either. And I really hate the ILB depth chart less if Moats could kick inside -- a combination of him and Williams wouldn't be much in coverage, but it would be an experienced and stout interior duo.

DesertSteel
05-07-2017, 04:57 PM
I think they'll keep Chick-filet.

Mojouw
05-07-2017, 05:07 PM
I think they'll keep Chick-filet.
Why?

hawaiiansteeler
05-07-2017, 06:01 PM
QB (3): Roethlisberger, Jones, Dobbs
RB/FB (4): Bell, Conner, Davis, Nix
TE (4): Green, James, Grimble, Johnson
WR (6): AB, Bryant, Rogers, Coates, JJSS, DHB

OT (4): AV, Gilbert, Hawkins, Hubbard
G (3): Foster, DeCastro, Finney
C (1): Pouncey

NT(2): Hargrave, McCullers
DE (4): Heyward, Tuitt, Alualu, LT Walton

OLB(4): Dupree, Harrison, Watt, Chickillo
ILB (4): Shazier, Williams, Matakevich, Johnson
OLB/ILB (1): Moats

CB (6): Burns, Cockrell, Golson, Gay, Sutton, Allen
S (4): Mitchell, Davis, Golden, Dangerfield

Specialists (3): LS, K, P

Mojouw
05-07-2017, 06:30 PM
QB (3): Roethlisberger, Jones, Dobbs
RB/FB (4): Bell, Conner, Davis, Nix
TE (4): Green, James, Grimble, Johnson
WR (6): AB, Bryant, Rogers, Coates, JJSS, DHB

OT (4): AV, Gilbert, Hawkins, Hubbard
G (3): Foster, DeCastro, Finney
C (1): Pouncey

NT(2): Hargrave, McCullers
DE (4): Heyward, Tuitt, Alualu, LT Walton

OLB(4): Dupree, Harrison, Watt, Chickillo
ILB (4): Shazier, Williams, Matakevich, Johnson
OLB/ILB (1): Moats

CB (6): Burns, Cockrell, Golson, Gay, Sutton, Allen
S (4): Mitchell, Davis, Golden, Dangerfield

Specialists (3): LS, K, P

I just wish someone would push Dangerfield off the roster. He is not good at NFL football.

Dwinsgames
05-07-2017, 06:39 PM
I just wish someone would push Dangerfield off the roster. He is not good at NFL football.

Jacob Hagen

DesertSteel
05-07-2017, 07:35 PM
Why?
I don't see anything that makes me want to give up on him after only two years. He deserves a third year to show improvement. Last year was his only real playing time. I think he has potential.

Mojouw
05-07-2017, 07:37 PM
I don't see anything that makes me want to give up on him after only two years. He deserves a third year to show improvement. Last year was his only real playing time. I think he has potential.

Fair enough. I just don't think he has shown anything other than ST's to keep him around. My prediction is that Adams pushes him off the roster. Maybe not though. Maybe Chick stays and Adams goes to PS?

Born2Steel
05-07-2017, 08:40 PM
I'll take a shot at it. But only the contested positions.

WR(6) AB, Bryant, Rogers, Coates, JuJu, DHB
OLB(4) Harrison, Dupree, Watt, Chickillo
CB(7) Cockrell, Burns, Sutton, Golson, Sensabaugh, Gay, Allen
Safety(3) Mitchell, Davis, Golden

Sorry Moats.

tube517
05-07-2017, 09:04 PM
I thought Alualu was a replacement for Mathews (who is a free agent)?

teegre
05-07-2017, 09:12 PM
I started Crash's (Gopher's) 53 man roster :


QB (3): Roethlisberger, Jones, Dobbs
RB/FB (0):
TE (0):
WR (50): AB, Bryant, Rogers, Coates, JJSS, DHB, Ayers, Hamilton, Hunter, Tucker, Severin...

Steeldude
05-07-2017, 09:51 PM
Why?

He's younger, cheaper, more upside and he surpassed Moats last season. IMO, Adams will head to the practice squad.

DesertSteel
05-07-2017, 09:55 PM
Fair enough. I just don't think he has shown anything other than ST's to keep him around. My prediction is that Adams pushes him off the roster. Maybe not though. Maybe Chick stays and Adams goes to PS?
I'd love be for Adams to be that good.

Mojouw
05-08-2017, 09:53 AM
Interesting fact, free agents signed after Tuesday of this week DO NOT factor into the 2018 compensatory formula.

FrancoLambert
05-08-2017, 11:51 AM
I'd keep Chickillo over Moats. One has reached his ceiling and with age factored in I want to give Chick another year to show what he can add to the pass rush.

Mojouw
05-08-2017, 11:57 AM
"Based purely on the perceived pecking order by the end of last season, it would seem that Chickillo was ahead of Arthur Moats, when they needed somebody to start while Bud Dupree was out. But that won’t be the case anymore.
While he had a couple of hustle sacks, Chickillo on a down-to-down basis may have been the Steelers’ least effective pass rusher, certainly less effective than their starters, and less effective than Moats as well, who has always been at least competent throughout his tenure with the team."
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/04/devils-advocate-security-anthony-chickillo/

"The real concern for Moats, however, is not necessarily his position in the pecking order, but rather the fact that the decrease in his role is incongruous with his salary. He is scheduled to earn a base salary of $2.25 million in 2017. The Steelers would save the entirety of that value if they should choose to release him."
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/02/price-tag-depth-chart-make-arthur-moats-roster-spot-vulnerable/

That's the thing for me. Chickfilet is younger, a bit faster, and cheaper -- but he isn't any good as a pass rusher. Now, Moats is no great shakes and 2.5 million to be the 4th OLB at best is a bit steep -- but he can play both sides, I bet he could play inside in a pinch, and he is the 4th best OLB on the team. With two of the three spots ahead of him being a rookie and old man river.

RunNGun
05-08-2017, 02:43 PM
QB- Ben, Jones, Dobbs
Backs- Bell, Conner, Davis, Nix
WRs- Brown, Bryant, JuJu, Rogers, Coates
TEs- James, Green, Grimble, Johnson
OL- Villy, Foster, Pouncey, DeCastro, Gilbert, Hubbard, Finney, Hawkins
DL- Heyward, Hargrave, Tuitt, Walton, Alu Alu, Matthews, McCullers
LBs- Harrison, Williams, Shazier, Dupree, Watt, Chickillo, Matakevich, Johnson, Adams
DBs- Mitchell, Davis, Burns, Cockrell, Sutton, Sensabaugh, Golson, Allen, Golden, Dangerfield
K- Boswell
P- Berry
LS- Holba

Biggest cuts will be DHB, Gay, and Moats.

86WARD
05-08-2017, 03:17 PM
4 TEs?

Born2Steel
05-08-2017, 03:36 PM
4 TEs?

Plus Orndoff on PS.

86WARD
05-08-2017, 03:45 PM
I think Johnson might get the boot if Orndoff is on the PS and Gay gets a roster spot.

Born2Steel
05-08-2017, 03:56 PM
I think Johnson might get the boot if Orndoff is on the PS and Gay gets a roster spot.

Some backups hold ST value that helps earn a roster spot. Example is DHB, not really part of the WR rotation, but good ST player and reliable backup. Puts him ahead of Hunter, IMO, if only for the ST value. If Green can't play at season start, I think he gets waived. I don't know if Johnson is worth a roster spot over Orndoff or not. Orndoff may bring more value with backup TE ability as well as ST ability. I don't know anything about the players beyond positions at this point. I think Gay will have to earn his spot though. He's not a ST guy so he's going to need to beat out the competition for the spot.

Dwinsgames
05-08-2017, 04:35 PM
"Based purely on the perceived pecking order by the end of last season, it would seem that Chickillo was ahead of Arthur Moats, when they needed somebody to start while Bud Dupree was out. But that won’t be the case anymore.
While he had a couple of hustle sacks, Chickillo on a down-to-down basis may have been the Steelers’ least effective pass rusher, certainly less effective than their starters, and less effective than Moats as well, who has always been at least competent throughout his tenure with the team."
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/04/devils-advocate-security-anthony-chickillo/

"The real concern for Moats, however, is not necessarily his position in the pecking order, but rather the fact that the decrease in his role is incongruous with his salary. He is scheduled to earn a base salary of $2.25 million in 2017. The Steelers would save the entirety of that value if they should choose to release him."
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/02/price-tag-depth-chart-make-arthur-moats-roster-spot-vulnerable/

That's the thing for me. Chickfilet is younger, a bit faster, and cheaper -- but he isn't any good as a pass rusher. Now, Moats is no great shakes and 2.5 million to be the 4th OLB at best is a bit steep -- but he can play both sides, I bet he could play inside in a pinch, and he is the 4th best OLB on the team. With two of the three spots ahead of him being a rookie and old man river.


Moats can and has played inside ( with Bills ) so the 2.5 million a year is a lot more palatable considering he could be a backup at either spot

Born2Steel
05-08-2017, 05:38 PM
How much would this surprise you guys?

DEs(5) Tuitt, Heyward, Alualu, Walton, and Kallon(UDFA GaTech)

Francis Kallon 6'5" 295 4.9/40

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/05/georgia-tech-product-francis-kallon-steelers-intriguing-2017-udfa/

Mojouw
05-08-2017, 06:30 PM
How much would this surprise you guys?

DEs(5) Tuitt, Heyward, Alualu, Walton, and Kallon(UDFA GaTech)

Francis Kallon 6'5" 295 4.9/40

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/05/georgia-tech-product-francis-kallon-steelers-intriguing-2017-udfa/

He certainly has the raw athleticism to play in the league. Maybe a year quietly stashed on the PS?

BlackAndGold
05-08-2017, 06:41 PM
Moats is a coaches favorite. I can't see him not on the team.

David Johnson is the best blocking TE on the roster. He'll make the roster Imo.

RunNGun
05-09-2017, 12:26 AM
4 TEs is rare I know. IMO, they value Johnson's blocking enough to keep him on the roster. With Grimble, it's security if James or Green goes down due to injury. Is Grimble still practice squad eligible? If he is, I see them keeping him on the 53 in fear of losing him. That's my only reasoning. I also believe TE is the most underrated position in football. I'd take 3 good TEs over 2 good WRs. Granted, I'm not the GM.

RunNGun
05-09-2017, 12:33 AM
Moats is a coaches favorite. I can't see him not on the team.

David Johnson is the best blocking TE on the roster. He'll make the roster Imo.

Moats is a great veteran player, but the money we would save by cutting him outweighs his production. That's why I had Gay and DHB off the roster as well. The only reason DHB stuck on the roster is because of his special teams ability. I'm hoping Allen can take over his duties and give him the boot while also saving the Steelers some money.

Six Rings
05-09-2017, 09:37 AM
OFFENSE: 25 players


QB ( 3 ) Ben, Jones, Hobbs

RB/FB ( 4 ) Bell, Conner, Davis, Nix

WR ( 6 ) Brown, Bryant, Rogers, Juju, Coates, Hunter

TE ( 4 ) James, *Green*, Grimble, Johnson

OL ( 8 ) Villy, Gilbert, Hawkins, DeCastro, Foster, Pouncey, Finney, Hubbard




DEFENSE 25


DL ( 6 ) Heyward, Tuitt, Hargrave, Alu Al, Walton, McCullers

LB ( 9 ) Harrison, Watt, Shazier, Dupree, Williams, Chickillo, Matakevich, Johnson, Fort

DB ( 10 ) Burns, Cockerel, Sutton, Sensabaugh, Allen, Davis, Mitchell, Gay, Golden, Dangerfield


Specialists ( 3 )


K - Boswell
P - Berry
LS Holba


Notes:

* Moats can be cut with cap savings of 2.2 million.

* Green who can be cut with cap savings of 2.6 million

* Rookie free agents are most likely to win a spot at TE, LB, or DB.

* Orange equal bubble player. 50/50

86WARD
05-09-2017, 06:37 PM
4 TEs is rare I know. IMO, they value Johnson's blocking enough to keep him on the roster. With Grimble, it's security if James or Green goes down due to injury. Is Grimble still practice squad eligible? If he is, I see them keeping him on the 53 in fear of losing him. That's my only reasoning. I also believe TE is the most underrated position in football. I'd take 3 good TEs over 2 good WRs. Granted, I'm not the GM.

I could see that but then I wouldn't think they would keep Mr. Wonderful Scott Orndoff on the PS. But maybe...

RunNGun
05-09-2017, 06:51 PM
I could see that but then I wouldn't think they would keep Mr. Wonderful Scott Orndoff on the PS. But maybe...

They just brought another TE in.

Butch
05-09-2017, 08:10 PM
I started Crash's (Gopher's) 53 man roster :


QB (3): Roethlisberger, Jones, Dobbs
RB/FB (0):
TE (0):
WR (50): AB, Bryant, Rogers, Coates, JJSS, DHB, Ayers, Hamilton, Hunter, Tucker, Severin...

You have been without football way to loooong.

Devilsdancefloor
05-09-2017, 09:12 PM
I think they'll keep Chick-filet.

this

Mojouw
05-09-2017, 11:34 PM
Nix could push DJ off the roster. This camp will be referendum on what Haley wants from Tes. Blocking or downfield receiving.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

RunNGun
05-10-2017, 01:12 AM
Nix could push DJ off the roster. This camp will be referendum on what Haley wants from Tes. Blocking or downfield receiving.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think whether or not Johnson makes the team is based on how well Grimble has improved as a blocker. I feel like you have to have 1 TE who can block and if they feel like Grimble can be that guy, while also providing more in the passing game, then they can give Johnson the boot.

Born2Steel
05-10-2017, 07:50 AM
Thinking about the WR/TE positions. With a Fairly solid group of WRs available, maybe the TE group becomes James, Johnson, Orndoff, with Green as a wildcard if he stays healthy but used more outside than inline to protect from concussion.

TEs become primarily blockers with ability as pass catchers. So only 3 on the roster.
WRs keep AB, JuJu, Rogers with Coates, Hunter, DHB, in full competition. Bryant is the wildcard depending on whether or not he stays clean and on the field.

End up with a WR/TE group of AB(L), Rogers(slot), JuJu/Bryant(R), one of Coates, DHB, or Hunter as backup. James, Johnson, and Orndoff at TE, with Green playing as a wide TE/backup WR role. So basically 4/5 and 3/4.

Steeldude
05-10-2017, 01:01 PM
OFFENSE: 25 players


QB ( 3 ) Ben, Jones, Hobbs

RB/FB ( 4 ) Bell, Conner, Davis, Nix

WR ( 6 ) Brown, Bryant, Rogers, Juju, Coates, Hunter

TE ( 4 ) James, *Green*, Grimble, Johnson

OL ( 8 ) Villy, Gilbert, Hawkins, DeCastro, Foster, Pouncey, Finney, Hubbard




DEFENSE 25


DL ( 6 ) Heyward, Tuitt, Hargrave, Alu Al, Walton, McCullers

LB ( 9 ) Harrison, Watt, Shazier, Dupree, Williams, Chickillo, Matakevich, Johnson, Fort

DB ( 10 ) Burns, Cockerel, Sutton, Sensabaugh, Allen, Davis, Mitchell, Gay, Golden, Dangerfield


Specialists ( 3 )


K - Boswell
P - Berry
LS Holba


Notes:

* Moats can be cut with cap savings of 2.2 million.

* Green who can be cut with cap savings of 2.6 million

* Rookie free agents are most likely to win a spot at TE, LB, or DB.

* Orange equal bubble player. 50/50

I can't see them keeping 4 TEs and only 8 O-linemen. I don't who would be the 9th O-lineman kept in the roster at this point, but I believe they keep 9 to 10 O-linemen each season.

Six Rings
05-10-2017, 02:29 PM
I can't see them keeping 4 TEs and only 8 O-linemen. I don't who would be the 9th O-lineman kept in the roster at this point, but I believe they keep 9 to 10 O-linemen each season.

I think Green could be cut, and if so there will be a 9th OL, but he has to earn a spot as the 9th OL player sits on the bench. We might have two OL players on the practice squad.

Depth wise, Finney is excellent and Hubbard can play OT or G as well. Hawkins could be the key. If he can play, then we have more depth at tackle.

teegre
05-11-2017, 06:24 AM
You have been without football way to loooong.

The addiction is real. :chuckle:

hawaiiansteeler
05-12-2017, 01:08 AM
I just wish someone would push Dangerfield off the roster. He is not good at NFL football.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/3e/3ed89a54589eb53ea2e6f6f534ffaaceeebeb854ec2de9abc7 d1d48e52fc63ed.jpg

Born2Steel
05-12-2017, 09:03 AM
I think whether or not Johnson makes the team is based on how well Grimble has improved as a blocker. I feel like you have to have 1 TE who can block and if they feel like Grimble can be that guy, while also providing more in the passing game, then they can give Johnson the boot.

I don't know about that. Johnson is already the best blocking TE. Plus, didn't he just sign a 2 year deal recently? With our strong corps of WRs, I lean more toward keeping the blockers and cutting the "Y" TEs.

Mojouw
05-12-2017, 09:45 AM
I don't know about that. Johnson is already the best blocking TE. Plus, didn't he just sign a 2 year deal recently? With our strong corps of WRs, I lean more toward keeping the blockers and cutting the "Y" TEs.

That's why I think this camp and cutdown cycle will be fascinating for the TE position. Are they going for a mix of types or will it be a roster full of move TEs?

Born2Steel
05-12-2017, 12:41 PM
That's why I think this camp and cutdown cycle will be fascinating for the TE position. Are they going for a mix of types or will it be a roster full of move TEs?

Orndoff got an invite and from what I understand about him, he's definitely a blocker with pass catching ability. Same skill set as with Johnson, Spaeth, Miller, etc. Not sure what James is but he's more of a blocker than Green(especially with the concussion issues). Guys that can block well, that also have some pass catching ability, will be the leaders heading into TC, IMO. Like I had posted before, I would like to see Green moved to more of a slot/wide TE position rather than inline. Less risk of future concussions that way, plus he's a pass catcher anyway. Get him in space. If he can make the roster at all.

On Grimble....I think he's done. Too much of a project guy to begin with. You know he only had a 26.5" vert, and that's at 6'4".

ETL
05-17-2017, 10:02 PM
Offense: (25)
QB (3): Ben, Jones, Dobbs
RB (4): Bell, Conner, Davis, Nix
TE (3): Green, James, Johnson
WR (6): Brown, Bryant, JuJu, Coates, Rogers, DHB
OL (9): Villanueva, Foster, Pouncey, DeCastro, Gilbert, Hawkins, Hubbard, Finney, (player to be named later)

Defense (25)
DL (6): Heyward, Hargrave, Tuitt, Alualu, Walton, McCullers
OLB(5): Harrison, Dupree, Watt, Chickillo, Moates
ILB (4): Shazier, Williams, Matakevich, LJ Fort
CB (6): Burns, Cockrell, Gay, Sutton, Allen, Golson or Sensabaugh
S(4): Mitchell, Davis, Golden, Dangerfield

Special Team (3): Boswell, Holba, Berry