Steelers sign CB Coty Sensabaugh and RB Knile Davis

[awe1028]

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/03/steelers-sign-cb-coty-sensabaugh-two-year-contract/

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What is the consensus on these signings

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[Dwinsgames]

answers to that question is located here http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/26879-Steelers-host-Free-agents-DL-Tyson-Alualu-CB-Coty-Sensabaugh-RB-Knile-Davis

[WCSteeler]

We'll see if these 2 wind up as more than just Camp bodies, not a very impressive offseason for a team thathat is trying to keep pace with the Pats

[tube517]

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[Mojouw]

We'll see if these 2 wind up as more than just Camp bodies, not a very impressive offseason for a team thathat is trying to keep pace with the Pats

What have the Pats really done?

They went from a secondary that was Butler-Rowe-Ryan to one that is Gilmore-Rowe-Cyrus Jones. So, a "push" at best?

Bennett for Allen. Again a "push".

Added Brandon Cooks. Great improvement for them. Will certainly be a better 2nd WR then Hogan or Amendola.

Resigned Hightower. Again, a "push" he was on the roster last year.

Added Rex Burkhead. They have like 5 guys on their roster already that can do Rex Burkhead things. Not really thinking this is a dynamic catalyst for an offensive juggernaut.

So they improved one aspect of their team - deep threat with Cooks. The rest is the status quo. Granted that status quo is really really good - but all this hand wringing and rending of garments about the Pats off-season is just media driven hype.

[Iron Steeler]

Coty sensabaugh really???

And mo clairborne signed 5 mill 1 year for the Jets.

We couldn't go him ? At least he will be able to crack the line up.

Coty sensabaugh pshh

[Shoes]

What have the Pats really done?

They went from a secondary that was Butler-Rowe-Ryan to one that is Gilmore-Rowe-Cyrus Jones. So, a "push" at best?

Bennett for Allen. Again a "push".

Added Brandon Cooks. Great improvement for them. Will certainly be a better 2nd WR then Hogan or Amendola.

Resigned Hightower. Again, a "push" he was on the roster last year.

Added Rex Burkhead. They have like 5 guys on their roster already that can do Rex Burkhead things. Not really thinking this is a dynamic catalyst for an offensive juggernaut.

So they improved one aspect of their team - deep threat with Cooks. The rest is the status quo. Granted that status quo is really really good - but all this hand wringing and rending of garments about the Pats off-season is just media driven hype.

You left out the Tom Brady jersey saga. Top story of the off season!

[Iron Steeler]

. Why do we neglect this position in FA?

[Mojouw]

. Why do we neglect this position in FA?

Because the top Free Agents at the CB position are usually over-rated and over-priced. If these guys were so darn good why would their current teams let them go?

Combine that with the fact that the Steelers are not going to wreck their salary structure for some 2nd tier CB. How ( I posted the link around here somewhere) can you pay Dre Kirkpatrick 2-3 million dollars more a year than you pay Cam Heyward (the unquestioned leader of the defense)?

I don't understand why everyone has such a hard time wrapping their heads around this. The Steelers always have and always will have value caps on each position. Historically they have gone above those when player performance dictated it - and usually only with internal signings. But $10 million + per year for a dude to play 2nd or 3rd CB in what will still be a largely match-up zone scheme? Never going to happen.

[Dwinsgames]

What have the Pats really done?

They went from a secondary that was Butler-Rowe-Ryan to one that is Gilmore-Rowe-Cyrus Jones. So, a "push" at best?

Bennett for Allen. Again a "push".

Added Brandon Cooks. Great improvement for them. Will certainly be a better 2nd WR then Hogan or Amendola.

Resigned Hightower. Again, a "push" he was on the roster last year.

Added Rex Burkhead. They have like 5 guys on their roster already that can do Rex Burkhead things. Not really thinking this is a dynamic catalyst for an offensive juggernaut.

So they improved one aspect of their team - deep threat with Cooks. The rest is the status quo. Granted that status quo is really really good - but all this hand wringing and rending of garments about the Pats off-season is just media driven hype.

you forgot pass rusher Kony Ealy

[Mojouw]

you forgot pass rusher Kony Ealy

You mean the dude who is a part time starter and the owner of a whopping 5 sacks last season? I mean, I guess we should just schedule the parade in Boston now?

[Dwinsgames]

You mean the dude who is a part time starter and the owner of a whopping 5 sacks last season? I mean, I guess we should just schedule the parade in Boston now?


he was an addition was the point ..

he is a solid player by the way not a super star but ya know what he is young he may be before its over ... more suited for a 3-4 than a 4-3 so expect him to do well in NE with their varied fronts

[Mojouw]

he was an addition was the point ..

he is a solid player by the way not a super star but ya know what he is young he may be before its over ... more suited for a 3-4 than a 4-3 so expect him to do well in NE with their varied fronts

Fair enough. Ealy has been dining out on that SB performance for a bit though. He may do amazing in NE and he may not. I guess, I just don't get the way their whole off-season is being treated.

I mean this passes for analysis: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/03/17/what-went-wrong-with-kony-ealy-in-carolina/

Article basically says that Carolina couldn't seem to get consistent production out of a player that they drafted very high. This may be to maturity issues, it may be to scheme, the author seemed basically clueless. But what they were sure of is that the Patriots will certainly be able to get amazing production out of the player as soon as the Pats coaches wave their magic NFL cheat mode wand over Ealy.

And because that is basically the belief about every move the Pats make - no one pays attention to what their hit % actually is. Look at that list of DBs they had to draft to find 2-3 that are good. Same with WR. For every random under-valued FA they bring in and get high-level performance from, there are 2 that fizzle. But when you are buying them a dime a dozen, no one cares about the fizzles because it doesn't cost you anything.

That is really what the Pats have figured out. Get the most players you can into your system. LOTS of Cheap FA's and TONS of draft picks. That way if you only hit on 1/3 of them, it is still a higher # of actual players then other teams because your starting pool was bigger.

[Dwinsgames]

Fair enough. Ealy has been dining out on that SB performance for a bit though. He may do amazing in NE and he may not. I guess, I just don't get the way their whole off-season is being treated.

I mean this passes for analysis: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/03/17/what-went-wrong-with-kony-ealy-in-carolina/

Article basically says that Carolina couldn't seem to get consistent production out of a player that they drafted very high. This may be to maturity issues, it may be to scheme, the author seemed basically clueless. But what they were sure of is that the Patriots will certainly be able to get amazing production out of the player as soon as the Pats coaches wave their magic NFL cheat mode wand over Ealy.

And because that is basically the belief about every move the Pats make - no one pays attention to what their hit % actually is. Look at that list of DBs they had to draft to find 2-3 that are good. Same with WR. For every random under-valued FA they bring in and get high-level performance from, there are 2 that fizzle. But when you are buying them a dime a dozen, no one cares about the fizzles because it doesn't cost you anything.

That is really what the Pats have figured out. Get the most players you can into your system. LOTS of Cheap FA's and TONS of draft picks. That way if you only hit on 1/3 of them, it is still a higher # of actual players then other teams because your starting pool was bigger.


here IMO is why many regard what they have done as amazing ...

they resigned their biggest FA ( so did we )

they added to areas of great need .... WR they got a really good one ( yes we kept AB but they beat us with less ) so presumably they got better we stood still in that area

Ealy's addition I think will be big for them , I could be wrong but the cost is great under a mill a year ( rookie deal )

the others you spoke of fair enough ...

the cost was 1st , 2nd and 3rd round picks in this draft but what they got was proven talent at this level vs projected talent and the deals are team friendly rookie contracts

sounds expensive on at face value in terms of draft picks , but when you couple in the fact a few teams are looking hard at Jimmy G a bidding war could commence that would all but off set that draft pick cost .

the Browns are a player in that Jimmy G lottery ticket opportunity they select just 1 spot after the Pats former 1st round pick the Pats wont trade him for just 1 pick ...

if the Browns Pony a 2nd and 3rd ( its essentially ) getting the 1st and 2nd round picks spent back for a player that in a perfect world for them never sees the field in 2017


that is my short summation of why what they have done looks so good to so many , your mileage may vary

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Davis was one of those good under the radar signings and was hoping that's who they would get out of who was out there. He will be the 2# behind Bell next season and will do a decent job if he has to carry the load for a game or two. Plus his kick return skills will help the team there as well.

[st33lersguy]

Coty Sensabaugh at around vet minimum is better value than LoDre Kirkryan at over $10 million a year. Plus the CB class in this year's draft is so deep, they will be able to find a young talent there. Davis will provide value as a no. 2 back and kick returner

[st33lersguy]

We'll see if these 2 wind up as more than just Camp bodies, not a very impressive offseason for a team thathat is trying to keep pace with the Pats

You are right, the Steelers should have blown half their available salary cap on a 2nd rate at best CB and the other half on Don'ta Hightower :coffee:

[86WARD]

Playing devil's advocate: If Davis is such a good KR, why would KC let him go to Green Bay and then Green Bay let him go back to KC all in one season? You can never have enough good KRs.

[Bluecoat96]

Playing devil's advocate: If Davis is such a good KR, why would KC let him go to Green Bay and then Green Bay let him go back to KC all in one season? You can never have enough good KRs.
I would say because KC found Tyreek Hill, who is a freak.

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[Born2Steel]

What have the Pats really done?

They went from a secondary that was Butler-Rowe-Ryan to one that is Gilmore-Rowe-Cyrus Jones. So, a "push" at best?

Bennett for Allen. Again a "push".

Added Brandon Cooks. Great improvement for them. Will certainly be a better 2nd WR then Hogan or Amendola.

Resigned Hightower. Again, a "push" he was on the roster last year.

Added Rex Burkhead. They have like 5 guys on their roster already that can do Rex Burkhead things. Not really thinking this is a dynamic catalyst for an offensive juggernaut.

So they improved one aspect of their team - deep threat with Cooks. The rest is the status quo. Granted that status quo is really really good - but all this hand wringing and rending of garments about the Pats off-season is just media driven hype.

Cooks can be one of those game changer type players and a very good pick up for the Pats. His downside though is he's more about him, than team or system. That was the knock on him in NOLA. Not that he can't be the best guy on the field, but that he wants to be the only guy on the field. I'm not sure how well that plays into the "Patriot's Way". He definitely gives them somebody to stretch the field with at worst.

[st33lersguy]

Remember this, not blowing a lot of money on other free agents will allow them to keep AV, Shazier and Tuitt and sign them to long-term deals

[Mojouw]

How many guys on this list are potentially far better than every FA CB not named Stephon Gilmore? http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-position-input:cb

12? 15? With the rookie wage scale, what would they cost?

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here IMO is why many regard what they have done as amazing ...

they resigned their biggest FA ( so did we )

they added to areas of great need .... WR they got a really good one ( yes we kept AB but they beat us with less ) so presumably they got better we stood still in that area

Ealy's addition I think will be big for them , I could be wrong but the cost is great under a mill a year ( rookie deal )

the others you spoke of fair enough ...

the cost was 1st , 2nd and 3rd round picks in this draft but what they got was proven talent at this level vs projected talent and the deals are team friendly rookie contracts

sounds expensive on at face value in terms of draft picks , but when you couple in the fact a few teams are looking hard at Jimmy G a bidding war could commence that would all but off set that draft pick cost .

the Browns are a player in that Jimmy G lottery ticket opportunity they select just 1 spot after the Pats former 1st round pick the Pats wont trade him for just 1 pick ...

if the Browns Pony a 2nd and 3rd ( its essentially ) getting the 1st and 2nd round picks spent back for a player that in a perfect world for them never sees the field in 2017


that is my short summation of why what they have done looks so good to so many , your mileage may vary

If they don't trade Garappalo, then these are their draft picks - http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/tracker?icampaign=draft-sub_nav_bar-drafteventpage-tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:ne

Sorry. I can't get all lathered up about their off-season. They traded for Cooks because despite 112 attempts in the last 5 drafts they can not draft and develop a decent WR.

The amazing thing is that the Pats still have 7 picks in a loaded draft. So, they will be fine. But they aren't lapping the field or anything.

[DesertSteel]

Cooks can be one of those game changer type players and a very good pick up for the Pats. His downside though is he's more about him, than team or system. That was the knock on him in NOLA. Not that he can't be the best guy on the field, but that he wants to be the only guy on the field. I'm not sure how well that plays into the "Patriot's Way". He definitely gives them somebody to stretch the field with at worst.
He's not Randy Moss, but Moss had a fairly decent year with the Patriots, as I recall.

[86WARD]

I would say because KC found Tyreek Hill, who is a freak.

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And why would Green Bay get rid of him and then KC sign him back and then let him go again? You can't ever have too many good KRs.

I just think there's more to it

[Psycho Ward 86]

And why would Green Bay get rid of him and then KC sign him back and then let him go again? You can't ever have too many good KRs.

I just think there's more to it

Packers traded for Davis for a conditional draft pick. They wanted to keep that draft pick so they let him go.

Im at a point where i wont get excited around a good return man no matter what. Until the blocking improves, we arent doing shit in that department

[86WARD]

Packers traded for Davis for a conditional draft pick. They wanted to keep that draft pick so they let him go.

Im at a point where i wont get excited around a good return man no matter what. Until the blocking improves, we arent doing shit in that department

Plus the perennial penalties that come with special teams. Thanks Danny...

[Born2Steel]

KR doesn't mean much anyway. What's the percentage of KOs that end up as touch backs?