Random FA Ideas

[Mojouw]

The discussions about Revis got me thinking. What are some other folks out there that might make some sort of sense that fall outside the normal conversation.

First off, this assumes that the Steelers take care of AB, Bell, AV, and still have a bit of cap room left over after setting some aside for the rookies.

1. Cordarrelle Patterson - WR/KR Vikings. Would instantly solve any return game issues. Never really launched as a WR. But is 6' 2" and 220 pounds. Runs like a gazelle. Never played with an NFL QB who can throw a decent deep ball. Likely won't cost much. 2 million per year to upgrade the return game and maybe have the Steelers WR reclamation machine churn out a terrifying red-zone weapon?

2. Want a more "polished" WR to help the depth chart? Let me introduce you (all over again) to Markus Wheaton. Seriously. Like is any team going to value him more than the Steelers?

3. Want to bring someone in to help with pass rush? Ingram and Perry too expensive? What about Damontre Moore as a consolation prize? Is only 24 years old. Has done a few things in the NFL. Has good size. Will come cheap. Drawbacks? Oh yeah -- he is likely a drunk and a knucklehead. Put him through Deebo's Reform School for Wayward NFL Pass Rushers?

4. Worried about heading into the draft with a hole at ILB? Not sure that Timmons is where you want cap dollars to go? What about Arthur Moats? How is he not already an inside 3-4 linebacker?

5. Markus Cooper - DB Arizona. Been discussed on another thread at length. May not be the greatest CB ever, but like the roster has so many options.

6. Justin Gilbert - KR/DB. If he didn't cost 2 million plus, I don't think he would have got cut. But maybe. Still what if was playing for peanuts?

Along with Revis, these are some of the lower cost fliers I would take if I had Colbert's job. They have one thing in common - mostly second contract players that will cost less than $4 million per year to sign. There is a certain team in the upper northeast that has been putting together some nice rosters for about a decade and a half doing similar things.

[86WARD]

Would love Patterson. Wheaton isn't a bad signing at all imo. He's better than Coates. I think I might take Bryant and Wheaton over Bryant and Coates at this stage. I like Nick Perry as a signing.
But h will probably cost $10M? John Simon isn't a bad sleeper free agent or you may be able to get a great deal on Jelani Jenkins...he could be really good or another Jarvis Jones.

[Born2Steel]

Patterson is another one trick pony. He would be a rerun of Wallace, IMO. I would use him as the decoy mostly. Returns definitely an upgrade. AB, Bryant(hopefully), and Patterson? That's a ton of speed.

I think Marcus Cooper would be a steal. Playing in a loaded secondary in AZ, his name doesn't get mentioned. He is big, fast, and has very good ball skills. I would rather get him than Revis, or a FA pass rusher.

[Shoes]

I think we would do better drafting a WR/returner. I wouldn't mind signing Wheaton, he at least makes an effort to go after the ball.

[st33lersguy]

Re-signing Wheaton on the cheap would solidify WR with AB, Bryant, and Wheaton all back plus with Rogers showing some promises.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Im just gonna copy and paste what i posted in another thread about OLB Nick Perry:

Maybe its just the free agency ho in me, but Nick Perry could end up being a great consolation prize. A lot of people will point to the whole "he finally played well because it's a contract year" argument, and thats a fair argument, but not all good players are good right away. I doubt he's able to command absurd money for that very reason.

That being said, heres my pitch on Nick Perry for those who are not a fan. Here me out:

For the 2016 season, 17 hurries, 11 sacks in only 12 starts (14 games) is pretty good no matter how you spin it. Did I mention the fact that Perry played with a broken hand bad enough that he was supposed to possibly miss the rest of the season? He played with one of those dummy clubs on his hand and STILL registered 4 sacks AFTER that injury in the next 4 games he played. He got those sacks in 2 MUST WIN divisional games and a playoff game).

For the 2015 season Perry played much of the season with a sprained AC joint but only missed 2 games, and snagged 2.5 sacks in a playoff game with that injury lingering (And then a sack and a forced fumble the following playoff game, although he wasn't on the injury report anymore). In 2014, Perry played most of the year with an injured shoulder that needed surgery in the offseason, yet he only missed 1 game and registered 1.5 sacks in a postseason game. 2013, Nick Perry got a sack in the packers lone playoff game. Kid seems to do that like clockwork.

This kid is an absolute warrior, productive when healthy, and still productive when he’s not. He was a 1st round draft pick for a reason. He’s not really on people’s radar anymore and on the surface looks like a one hit wonder (even though he’s not). Yeah, he has a bit of an injury history, but they just seem like unlucky injuries that don’t really cut into enough playing time to seem worrisome (kind of like Maurkice Pouncey). Those injuries also don’t seem to be lingering if his most recent season is any indication.

With Ingram all but off the board for us, what are everybody's thoughts on Perry?

[st33lersguy]

Nick Perry is a one-hit wonder who was productive for only 1 season

He played in 46 games from 2012-2015, he had 66 total tackles and 12.5 sacks, Steelers need productive players, not one-hit wonders looking for a large contract, particularly injury prone one-hit wonders

[Psycho Ward 86]

Nick Perry is a one-hit wonder who was productive for only 1 season

He played in 46 games from 2012-2015, he had 66 total tackles and 12.5 sacks, Steelers need productive players, not one-hit wonders looking for a large contract, particularly injury prone one-hit wonders

must have read only the last few sentences of my post. context of those sacks and tackles is important. sacks also arent everything. pressures are. By your logic, Bud Dupree had a very consistent and strong year on a play-to-play basis simply because he would have been on pace for double digit sacks had he played 16 games. Brandon Graham is one of the best edge rushers in the league He has never had more than 6.5 sacks in a season. With a straight face, would you have been able to tell James Harrison had an elite season as a pass rusher the past 2 seasons without ever watching a game?

[steelreserve]

1. Cordarrelle Patterson - WR/KR Vikings. Would instantly solve any return game issues. Never really launched as a WR. But is 6' 2" and 220 pounds. Runs like a gazelle. Never played with an NFL QB who can throw a decent deep ball. Likely won't cost much. 2 million per year to upgrade the return game and maybe have the Steelers WR reclamation machine churn out a terrifying red-zone weapon?


Every time we bring in someone to be the "return specialist" and possible WR, he ends up returning like 15 kicks for a 13.9 average and a costly fumble, and 1 catch for -3 yards as a WR. Even more so now that the kick returner's primary job is to watch the ball sail out of the back of the end zone. Brown can return punts; no, the "injury risk" on kick returns is for the other players, and for the return man himself, it's half the risk per snap of playing wide receiver. Well documented but apparently not to our coaching staff.

Wheaton might not be too bad if we could get him for cheap, but ufortunately I think someone WILL value him more than the Steelers. For the $4-5M a year that he's probably going to be offered, I don't think it makes sense to bring back a guy who has only ever succeeded as a #3 receiver, when we already have a more than capable replacement in Rogers.

Moats is all right and I think he's played both ILB and OLB, but Timmons is better and he shouldn't cost anywhere near what he was making before.

I do like either of those options at DB, or really any acceptable player with game experience at a reasonable price. It's clear we need one more guy on the roster, preferably someone with zone/man skills, and while would be nice if Golson steps up, that's not something I'm counting on.

[86WARD]

Patterson isn't a WR. He's just a really good KR.

[Mojouw]

Patterson isn't a WR. He's just a really good KR.

Definitely a totally flawed WR. But he is a weapon with the ball in his hands from anywhere on the field. He is actually everything that Haley wanted Rainey and Archer to be.

Watch some of his Vikings highlights and imagine a coordinator using him somewhere between how Haley tried to use Archer and how the Packers are currently using Montgomery.

Would it set the world on fire? Nope. But for a few million a season, I would sign up if it saved a draft pick.

[slashsteel]

Only players I want at WR in free agency is ones capable of being a true number 2.

I also have a strong desire to see OLBer and CB upgraded.

Bring in 1 or even better two upgrades, is needed now more than ever with Ben nearing the end. And the team close to greatness.

[DesertSteel]

Patterson isn't a WR. He's just a really good KR.
We don't need him then; we're all set at KR...

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[Mojouw]

Here is the trouble with the "true #2 WR" or basically anyone without major flaws.

Kenny Stills is reportedly looking at #12 million per season on the FA market. Due to his age, the rising cap, etc.

$12 million per year for Kenny Stills? Yeah. The Steelers aren't signing anyone in FA!

[Psycho Ward 86]

Ugh, why do i keep forgetting about Jabaal Sheard? Since Ingram is all but off the board, Id love to have Sheard, much more so than even Nick Perry. Sheard has been good even during his days with the browns. Patriots managed to get him for 2 years, $11 million. Im thinking sign him for around 3 years, $20 million and hes as good as ours. We could plug and play him immediately, and have a great pass rush platoon made up of Harrison, Dupree, Sheard, and a draft pick or 2. Hell, who knows if Chickillo keeps developing or not

[Bluecoat96]

I saw that the Chiefs are letting Poe hit free agency and are tagging Berry. Probably too steep a price, but just think of a front seven with Poe, Heyward, Tuitt, etc.....

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[Born2Steel]

I saw that the Chiefs are letting Poe hit free agency and are tagging Berry. Probably too steep a price, but just think of a front seven with Poe, Heyward, Tuitt, etc.....

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I brought up Poe a while back with the same idea. People on here informed me that Poe has bad knees apparently. I do love that idea, just not real sure how productive it could actually be. On paper though, it's a beautiful thing.

[Mojouw]

Where does Poe play? Does Hargrave go to the bench? If so, why?

[Born2Steel]

Where does Poe play? Does Hargrave go to the bench? If so, why?

We've had extensive conversation about DLine rotation. Nobody goes to the bench for long. Bit if Poe is damaged goods, it doesn't matter anyway.

[86WARD]

Poe has health issues as discussed here previously.

[Bluecoat96]

But he threw a touchdown pass! Surely Haley would want to sign him in order to do one of those shitty gadget plays that cost the team 10 yards while driving for a score, thus settling for a frustrating field goal?!?!

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[Psycho Ward 86]

I saw that the Chiefs are letting Poe hit free agency and are tagging Berry. Probably too steep a price, but just think of a front seven with Poe, Heyward, Tuitt, etc.....

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wheres his path to playing time?

[steelreserve]

Here is the trouble with the "true #2 WR" or basically anyone without major flaws.

Kenny Stills is reportedly looking at #12 million per season on the FA market. Due to his age, the rising cap, etc.

$12 million per year for Kenny Stills? Yeah. The Steelers aren't signing anyone in FA!

The price for free agent WRs is beyond insane - I mean, borderline #3 guys go for $4M or $5M, or double that if someone sees them as a potential #1 or #2, which is why we usually let ours go.

If they try to do add a decent receiver, it'll probably be through the draft; it wouldn't surprise me to see them use a third-round pick or so on that position again.


As for Poe - it's intriguing and I don't think we'd have a problem finding playing time for him ... our three starters can really play anywhere along the line. But bad knees on a 350-pound nose tackle are the kind of thing that mean one or two mostly ineffective seasons where you barely see the field and then that's the end of the road. Look at the typical outcome for those kinds of players and it's not pretty.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Ugh, why do i keep forgetting about Jabaal Sheard? Since Ingram is all but off the board, Id love to have Sheard, much more so than even Nick Perry. Sheard has been good even during his days with the browns. Patriots managed to get him for 2 years, $11 million. Im thinking sign him for around 3 years, $20 million and hes as good as ours. We could plug and play him immediately, and have a great pass rush platoon made up of Harrison, Dupree, Sheard, and a draft pick or 2. Hell, who knows if Chickillo keeps developing or not

Just found the answer to my own question...Didnt realize that the patriots are projected to have $62.5 million in cap space. Jesus, i hate these guys but you gotta hand it to them....they know what theyre doing in terms of personnel management. I feel like the Patriots will easily be able to keep all of their best/hard to replace free agents

The Patriots let go of 2 pro bowl pass rushers and still finished with the #1 defense. These moves would be exponentially less drastic and i hope we show a penchant to change it up from the norm these next few dwindling years with Ben

[Psycho Ward 86]

With the salary cap at $167 million, we officially have $23.5 million in salary cap space: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/cap/

And yes, this is even with Antonio Brown's new contract since his cap hit stays exactly the same for the 2017 season.

Hopefully based on the most expensive RB contracts out there, Bell will get a contract somewhere between Adrian Peterson who is by far the highest paid ($14 million per year) and McCoy who is the 2nd highest ($8 million per year). Since most contracts are backloaded, perhaps a cap hit that will be $2-4 million less than the estimated franchise tag of $12.1 million will be in order? That would leave us with $13.5-15.5 million in cap space. Then what do we normally spend on rookie classes and money reserves incase of injury during the regular season? Like $3-5 million and $3 million respectively?

Suddenly cutting Mitchell and letting Timmons walk looks a little more tantalizing doesnt it?

[Mojouw]

Yeah. I always said that all this talk of cap room was getting way ahead of itself. Back out the draft class, the few vet FA depth signings they always do, an in season contingency, and all the suspected extensions -- boom. No real spending money.

[Shoes]

Top 101 free agents of 2017 (http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#tab=rankings)

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency#tab=rankings

[Psycho Ward 86]

Since were not sure about Senquez Golson's health, Nickell Robey-Coleman is an equally small midget (with production and experience though) that could be a target:http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/03/nickell-robey-coleman-interest-steelers-nickel-option/


Personally would prefer we move away from smurfs if we want to get serious about being able to play man coverage..thanks. The guy is only 5'8'' 165lb, but according to PFF, he allowed a passer rating of 74.86 in the slot; 2nd best for slot CBs just behind Chris Harris Jr.

not sure how much i believe that. if its true i guess we should entertain the idea? and he was on a 2 year contract worth $4.1 million, so we could get him cheap.

[Mojouw]

You know who had a really good PFF rank?




Brandon Boykin. I couldn't help myself.

[BlackAndGold]

Torrey Smith would be a solid signing as a deep threat. Doubt he'll cost much. Didn't have a great year in SF, but a lot of that blame goes towards the QB play.

[86WARD]

I wouldn't mind Torrey Smith. He'd probably be closer to his Baltimore production than his 49ers production.

[Born2Steel]

Good news maybe. Marcus Cooper isn't on the NFL.com 101 best FA list. Maybe we could sign him on the cheap.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/marcus-cooper-12534/

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8641/marcus-cooper

[Psycho Ward 86]

Good news maybe. Marcus Cooper isn't on the NFL.com 101 best FA list. Maybe we could sign him on the cheap.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/marcus-cooper-12534/

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8641/marcus-cooper

theres a lot of tweets from reporters on the web and Arians also said Cooper is going to get offered a lot of money

[BlackAndGold]

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[Born2Steel]

theres a lot of tweets from reporters on the web and Arians also said Cooper is going to get offered a lot of money

The chatter I'm seeing is the Cards want to keep him but not going to offer him much. So if he receives a bigger offer he can go. Cooper was paid $675,000 last season. Surely we can offer more than that.

[BlackAndGold]

I believe Robert Woods could be a sneaky good signing.

They had some interest during the 2013 draft process, still just 24 years old. He didn't have great(Tyrod Taylor was solid) QB play with Buffalo, of course he played behind Watkins.


Al Woods was just released, he was a nice contributor during his time here.

[Psycho Ward 86]

The chatter I'm seeing is the Cards want to keep him but not going to offer him much. So if he receives a bigger offer he can go. Cooper was paid $675,000 last season. Surely we can offer more than that.

well yeah thats because hes on his rookie deal.

[Born2Steel]

well yeah thats because hes on his rookie deal.

So, would you rather not make an offer? How much is it worth to get a FA to come in and be the #1 CB for this team? If Cockrell gets signed away, Burns will be our #1, with Gay, Golson(maybe), and new draft pick. That may be the situation even if Cockrell stays. I think we SHOULD ABSOLUTELY make a real offer. Give me a why not.

[BlackAndGold]

Could this just become a free agency thread?

Just want to say, the Ravens are losing a lot of players.

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[SteelerFanInStl]

Could this just become a free agency thread?

Just want to say, the Ravens are losing a lot of players.

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Wasn't Wallace also on a 1 year deal?

[BlackAndGold]

Wasn't Wallace also on a 1 year deal?

Believe he signed a 2 year deal.

[Psycho Ward 86]

So, would you rather not make an offer? How much is it worth to get a FA to come in and be the #1 CB for this team? If Cockrell gets signed away, Burns will be our #1, with Gay, Golson(maybe), and new draft pick. That may be the situation even if Cockrell stays. I think we SHOULD ABSOLUTELY make a real offer. Give me a why not.

"Cooper was paid $675,000 last season. Surely we can offer more than that."

you said this like it wouldnt take a lot of money to get him. what do you think his market value is

[SteelerFanInStl]

Believe he signed a 2 year deal.

I had to look it up because I wasn't sure. 1 year deal with an option for a second year. I'm guessing that he'll be back but you never know.

[Born2Steel]

"Cooper was paid $675,000 last season. Surely we can offer more than that."

you said this like it wouldnt take a lot of money to get him. what do you think his market value is

I haven't seen any mention of a dollar amount. I thought maybe you did. You posted about seeing tweets about him. All I can find is that the Cards are doing the same with him as we are with Cockrell. Offering low and hoping he stays for that. But allowing room for offers. He's still not listed on NFL.com's top 101 FAs, so I don't know what he would command. But if we don't even offer, how do we know? He fills a need and he's not an 'A-lister' FA apparently.

[Psycho Ward 86]

I haven't seen any mention of a dollar amount. I thought maybe you did. You posted about seeing tweets about him. All I can find is that the Cards are doing the same with him as we are with Cockrell. Offering low and hoping he stays for that. But allowing room for offers. He's still not listed on NFL.com's top 101 FAs, so I don't know what he would command. But if we don't even offer, how do we know? He fills a need and he's not an 'A-lister' FA apparently.



http://www.fantasyguru.com/news/coach-would-re-sign-marcus-cooper
"Arizona Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians said he would like the team to re-sign impending free-agent CB Marcus Cooper this offseason but thinks it may be too expensive for the team to bring him back."

Cardinals currently have more cap space than we do if you include everyone: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/cap/

http://cardswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/02/price-is-going-up-pretty-high-for-cardinals-to-re-sign-cb-marcus-cooper/
After a year in which he picked off four passes and was named a Pro Bowl alternate, he might be getting a lot more money in free agency than the Cardinals are able to pay him. “I’d like to get Coop back,” coach Bruce Arians said at the NFL combine. “It looks like Coop is going to get a helluva lot of money. Y’all keep saying Coop’s no good; he was a Pro Bowl alternate, had four interceptions. It looks like the price is going up pretty high for him, so we’ll wait and see.”

-Weak cornerback FA market equates to positional inflation. Not many at or above Cooper's level in terms of production/pedigree. Most of the ones above him in those terms are old, injury prone, and/or washed up. The ones that dont fit that criteria? Stephon Gillmore, AJ Bouye, Dre Kirkpatrick, Trumaine Johnson (Rams are trying to trade him), and Logan Ryan. Kirkpatrick have never even been a pro bowl alternate and they could potentially be making around $10 million/per season: http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/22999/terrelle-pryor-dre-kirkpatrick-seem-too-pricey-for-steelers-comfort

Johnson is on the franchise tag a 2nd season in a row even though he has only been good one season. And that comes out at $16.7 million.

[BlackAndGold]

The Pats trade a 4th round pick to Colts for Dwayne Allen and a 6th round pick.

[Psycho Ward 86]

The Pats trade a 4th round pick to Colts for Dwayne Allen and a 6th round pick.

Oh god. If Allen stays healthy, that trade could be yet another robbery for the patriots. I remember camp reports of him being the best player on the field other than Andrew Luck

[Born2Steel]

http://www.fantasyguru.com/news/coach-would-re-sign-marcus-cooper
"Arizona Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians said he would like the team to re-sign impending free-agent CB Marcus Cooper this offseason but thinks it may be too expensive for the team to bring him back."

Cardinals currently have more cap space than we do if you include everyone: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/cap/

http://cardswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/02/price-is-going-up-pretty-high-for-cardinals-to-re-sign-cb-marcus-cooper/
After a year in which he picked off four passes and was named a Pro Bowl alternate, he might be getting a lot more money in free agency than the Cardinals are able to pay him. “I’d like to get Coop back,” coach Bruce Arians said at the NFL combine. “It looks like Coop is going to get a helluva lot of money. Y’all keep saying Coop’s no good; he was a Pro Bowl alternate, had four interceptions. It looks like the price is going up pretty high for him, so we’ll wait and see.”

-Weak cornerback FA market equates to positional inflation. Not many at or above Cooper's level in terms of production/pedigree. Most of the ones above him in those terms are old, injury prone, and/or washed up. The ones that dont fit that criteria? Stephon Gillmore, AJ Bouye, Dre Kirkpatrick, Trumaine Johnson (Rams are trying to trade him), and Logan Ryan. Kirkpatrick have never even been a pro bowl alternate and they could potentially be making around $10 million/per season: http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/22999/terrelle-pryor-dre-kirkpatrick-seem-too-pricey-for-steelers-comfort

Johnson is on the franchise tag a 2nd season in a row even though he has only been good one season. And that comes out at $16.7 million.

Yep those are the articles I've read. Arians doesn't think they will be able to keep him. Has he been offered? That would show his actual value.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Oh god. If Allen stays healthy, that trade could be yet another robbery for the patriots. I remember camp reports of him being the best player on the field other than Andrew Luck

He's never healthy though and the Colts paid him $12M last season for 35 catches 400 yards. Doyle beat him out for the starting job last year.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Yep those are the articles I've read. Arians doesn't think they will be able to keep him. Has he been offered? That would show his actual value.

i wouldnt venture farther than our usual "intermediate level spending" in free agency ($5-6 million) for Cooper. Thats just me. I havent heard you suggest any numbers yet. Id love the guy, it just seems like our front office is unfortunately, infatuated with an overrated, overpenalized, and inconsistent cornerback in Dre Kirkpatrick

[Born2Steel]

i wouldnt venture farther than our usual "intermediate level spending" in free agency ($5-6 million) for Cooper. Thats just me. I havent heard you suggest any numbers yet. Id love the guy, it just seems like our front office is unfortunately, infatuated with an overrated, overpenalized, and inconsistent cornerback in Dre Kirkpatrick

That would be insane. If they brought in Kirkpatrick and don't even make an offer to Cooper.

I have not suggested any numbers ever. I only pay attention to that when there's someone I would like to see us make a play for, and then I start looking at that player's value. I don't see anything on Cooper yet. Somebody will have to offer him to set his market, why not us, is my question.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Timmons to visit Dolphins in free agency: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/03/fowler-timmons-will-visit-dolphins-during-free-agency/

The Dolphins have over $40 million in cap room: http://overthecap.com/calculator/miami-dolphins/

I for one hope he signs a mega deal so we can get another favorable compensatory pick next season. You never know, could be the difference between being able to trade up for the QB that will take over for Ben

[BlackAndGold]

Tony Jefferson to Baltimore.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Tony Jefferson to Baltimore.

hell of a pair of safeties. Good thing they're losing zachary orr to retirement, cutting dumervil, suggs is super old, and most likely losing brandon williams

[Shoes]

Ravens to sign Danny Woodhead
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/08/report-ravens-to-sign-running-back-danny-woodhead/

[Psycho Ward 86]

He's never healthy though and the Colts paid him $12M last season for 35 catches 400 yards. Doyle beat him out for the starting job last year.

how often does Belichick commit a million dollar heist when he wheels a trade? i bet Dwayne Allen blows up

[polamalubeast]

For those who wanted Brian Hoyer as backup, he signed with the 49ers ....


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[BlackAndGold]

Ravens to sign Danny Woodhead
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/08/report-ravens-to-sign-running-back-danny-woodhead/

Guess he'll be the next Raven that will annoy the hell out us.

[86WARD]

That Danny Woodhead signing annoys me more than the Jefferson one.

[SteelerFanInStl]

how often does Belichick commit a million dollar heist when he wheels a trade? i bet Dwayne Allen blows up

Too often for my tastes but they fail on some also. Chandler Jones has played very well for the Cardinals and Cooper was a bust in NE. Dwayne Allen definitely has talent. We'll just have to see what happens.

[Shoes]

Guess he'll be the next Raven that will annoy the hell out us.



That Danny Woodhead signing annoys me more than the Jefferson one.


Agreed & Agreed! But if we draft Ryan Switzer we can annoy them back! :chuckle:

[BlackAndGold]

Stephon Gilmore to Pats.

[BlackAndGold]

Bengals lose OT, Andrew Whitworth to the Rams.

If they also lose Zeitler, they'll have the worse o-line in football.

[Psycho Ward 86]

DE/OLB Connor Barwin released by the Eagles! He would be a great middle level signing. He just wasnt a fit in Philly's wide 9 pass rush scheme. He's 30 but he's been healthy his whole career and was super productive not long ago

[86WARD]

DE/OLB Connor Barwin released by the Eagles! He would be a great middle level signing. He just wasnt a fit in Philly's wide 9 pass rush scheme. He's 30 but he's been healthy his whole career and was super productive not long ago

He's not coming to Pittsburgh to be a back up and then playing special teams too...which is what he would have to do.

[Psycho Ward 86]

He's not coming to Pittsburgh to be a back up and then playing special teams too...which is what he would have to do.

He could get starter snaps on this defense. We need at least a 3 man platoon at OLB anyways. Yes yes, Harrison seems like an ageless wonder but expecting him to keep this up AND to rely on it is ridiculous. Rotate him with Barwin, and have him give Dupree a breather as well. No reason we cant have all 3 on the field at the same time either. Dupree and Harrison can still cover, Barwin would give us flexibility. Something along the ilk of the impact that Demarcus Ware had for the Broncos perhaps?

Nick Perry is also back with the packers.

Sheard and Barwin are the only really good pass rushers left.

[BlackAndGold]

Cleveland signs Bengals guard Kevin Zeitler.

They've also signed center, J.C Trotter and WR Kenny Britt. I'm liking those moves.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Cleveland signs Bengals guard Kevin Zeitler.

They've also signed center, J.C Trotter and WR Kenny Britt. I'm liking those moves.

Kenny Britt and Robert Woods are getting paid stupid money for no reason. Hopefully Wheaton gets the same treatment and gets us a high compensatory pick

[Shoes]

Report: Eagles Expected To Explore Signing WR Markus Wheaton

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/03/report-eagles-expected-explore-signing-wr-markus-wheaton/

[BlackAndGold]

Kenny Britt and Robert Woods are getting paid stupid money for no reason. Hopefully Wheaton gets the same treatment and gets us a high compensatory pick

Lets hope so. I want a 3rd round comp pick for next year.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Cleveland signs Bengals guard Kevin Zeitler.

They've also signed center, J.C Trotter and WR Kenny Britt. I'm liking those moves.

The Bengals have lost Whitworth and Zeitler, two big losses.

I don't know what Cleveland is doing. They've had a great OL before but if you don't have the skill position players, it does you little good.

[teegre]

The Bengals have lost Whitworth and Zeitler, two big losses.

I don't know what Cleveland is doing. They've had a great OL before but if you don't have the skill position players, it does you little good.

Now , they'll have an insane O-line.

They have 13 draft picks. If they play the draft right, they could do some damage.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Now , they'll have an insane O-line.

They have 13 draft picks. If they play the draft right, they could do some damage.

We are talking about the Browns here. They've been in that situation before and screwed it up. I have faith that they will do that once again. :lol:

[Shoes]

Now , they'll have an insane O-line.

They have 13 draft picks. If they play the draft right, they could do some damage.

It seems like that have had 13 draft picks the last three years. :chuckle:

[BlackAndGold]

Now , they'll have an insane O-line.

They have 13 draft picks. If they play the draft right, they could do some damage.

Yep, their o-line actually took a dip last year with Alex Mack leaving for Atlanta. Now they have Thomas, Bitonio, Trotter, Zeitler.

Draft Garnett, and use those picks in a deep defensive draft, they could be on the right track of building a team.

[teegre]

We are talking about the Browns here. They've been in that situation before and screwed it up. I have faith that they will do that once again. :lol:

In years prior, yes... the Browns do get. :lol:

But, this new regime is savvy. :scared:

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It seems like that have had 13 draft picks the last three years. :chuckle:

Indeed. I believe that it was 14 last year.

They have 32 of their 52 who are second year or younger. If they turn the corner (and find a QB) they could be very dangerous for a long, long time.

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Yep, their o-line actually took a dip last year with Alex Mack leaving for Atlanta. Now they have Thomas, Bitonio, Trotter, Zeitler.

Draft Garnett, and use those picks in a deep defensive draft, they could be on the right track of building a team.

Yep!!! :nod:

Garrett at #1.... Foster at #12... along with Kirksey & Collins. BLAMO!!! The best linebacking corps in the NFL.


I fear that they will trade away a bunch of those picks, for picks in 2018... and then, trade up for Sam Darnold.

[BlackAndGold]

Texans trade Brock Osweiler, and 2018 2nd round pick to Cleveland

[tube517]

Texans trade Brock Osweiler, and 2018 2nd round pick to Cleveland

:rofl2:

[BlackAndGold]

Personally, I have no problem with the move for Cleveland, They land a 2nd round pick. Brock can be a stop gap until they find their guy.

Basically view it as they traded their cap space for a future 2nd round pick.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Texans trade Brock Osweiler, and 2018 2nd round pick to Cleveland

Sounds like Romo is going to be a Texan.

[Mojouw]

I really don't like that Cleveland now seems to be competently run. They basically got a free 2nd round pick to pay Osweiler. Great way to turn cap space into a tangible asset.

What's next -- discipline in Cincinnati?

[BlackAndGold]

Cleveland may cut Brock. This was a NBA trade move.

[BlackAndGold]

Alshon Jeffery to Philly.

Reports are it's a 1 year deal for $14mil

[st33lersguy]

Cleveland won this trade, not because they got Shitweiler, but because they get a 2nd round pick and a 6th round pick in exchange for a 4th round pick and the cost of $16 million in cap space (they entered free agency with over $100 mil in cap space)

[86WARD]

He could get starter snaps on this defense. We need at least a 3 man platoon at OLB anyways. Yes yes, Harrison seems like an ageless wonder but expecting him to keep this up AND to rely on it is ridiculous. Rotate him with Barwin, and have him give Dupree a breather as well. No reason we cant have all 3 on the field at the same time either. Dupree and Harrison can still cover, Barwin would give us flexibility. Something along the ilk of the impact that Demarcus Ware had for the Broncos perhaps?

Nick Perry is also back with the packers.

Sheard and Barwin are the only really good pass rushers left.

Again, who is playing STs then?

[tube517]

DeSean Jackson to the Bucs...3 years 35 million

20 million guaranteed.


Should we move this to the Around the NFL or maybe start another thread?

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[86WARD]

Alston Jeffrey signs a one-year deal on the first day of free agency...lol. Wut??

[st33lersguy]

Cleveland won this trade, not because they got Shitweiler, but because they get a 2nd round pick and a 6th round pick in exchange for a 4th round pick and the cost of $16 million in cap space (they entered free agency with over $100 mil in cap space)

My bad, they actually exchanged 4th and 6th round picks in 2017, LOL

[BlackAndGold]

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[86WARD]

Cleveland won this trade, not because they got Shitweiler, but because they get a 2nd round pick and a 6th round pick in exchange for a 4th round pick and the cost of $16 million in cap space (they entered free agency with over $100 mil in cap space)

Browns could cut or trade Osweiler. Allegedly, they want Garrapolo for three 2nd round picks and if they can turn Osweiler around for another 2, they've done work to get there. Not bad for Cleveland...lol.

[st33lersguy]

The biggest loser of this trade is Osweiler. Houston gave up a 2nd round pick just to get rid of him and Cleveland traded for him just to get the draft pick, lol

[Psycho Ward 86]

Again, who is playing STs then?

in a body of 53 people we'll find someone. im more worried about our pass rush than 1 guy on special teams

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does anybody know anything about CB/S Darius Butler? Can he play slot?

[Shoes]

I really don't like that Cleveland now seems to be competently run. They basically got a free 2nd round pick to pay Osweiler. Great way to turn cap space into a tangible asset.

What's next -- discipline in Cincinnati?

No worries, that won't happen with Lewis at the helm.

[BlackAndGold]

Markus Wheaton to Bears.

[polamalubeast]

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[st33lersguy]

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LOL

Let me guess, had something to do with Dan Snyder and his ego

[SteelerFanInStl]

Let me guess, had something to do with Dan Snyder and his ego

Apparently it's because of his drinking problem. That's what I've been reading.

[BlackAndGold]

Brandon Williams re-signed with Baltimore.

Thought for sure he was gone from reports.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Brandon Williams re-signed with Baltimore.

Thought for sure he was gone from reports.

Yea, I was really hoping that he would leave.

I just saw the deal that he signed. WOW!!!! He got paid! No wonder he stayed.

5 years/ $54M, $27.5M guaranteed. Highest paid NT in the NFL.

[BurghBoy412]

What are your thoughts on Nolan Carroll? Would he be an upgrade?

[Psycho Ward 86]

Yea, I was really hoping that he would leave.

I just saw the deal that he signed. WOW!!!! He got paid! No wonder he stayed.

5 years/ $54M, $27.5M guaranteed. Highest paid NT in the NFL.

Ha. Well thats just going to be even more key players they cant afford in other places. That front 7 is still dying off

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What are your thoughts on Nolan Carroll? Would he be an upgrade?

The Steelers were interested in him in free agency a couple of years ago. Hes a good but not spectacular corner everywhere ive read about him. Fits in the slot well. Ill take him or Munnerlyn as consolation prizes if we cant get Logan

[BurghBoy412]

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The Steelers were interested in him in free agency a couple of years ago. Hes a good but not spectacular corner everywhere ive read about him. Fits in the slot well. Ill take him or Munnerlyn as consolation prizes if we cant get Logan[/QUOTE]

I suppose most players would be an upgrade from Will Gay.:yup:

[Psycho Ward 86]

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[Shoes]

Isn't Brandon Flowers another San Diego concussion machine? No thanks! Logan Ryan seems to be the best CB remaining.

[teegre]

Isn't Brandon Flowers another San Diego concussion machine? No thanks! Logan Ryan seems to be the best CB remaining.

Yes, he is. :(

Interestingly, the last time that Flowers was a free agent, he was going to visit the Steelers right after visiting the Bolts. He never got out of San Diego.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Chasing Marcus Cooper. HERE WE GO: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/03/fowler-steelers-interested-cb-marcus-cooper/


Surely he wont cost as much as Logan Ryan cost the Titans. Right? 840060437727174656

[BlackAndGold]

What are your thoughts on Nolan Carroll? Would he be an upgrade?

I'd take Ross Cockrell over Carroll

[BlackAndGold]

Cooper will probably be out of prince range also. (Can't see Colbert handing out a contract where the price is over $5mil per year)

I'd look at Mo Claiborne, Alterraun Verner, maybe Munnerlyn will come cheaper than expected, slot CB with only 1 INT last year...

[Born2Steel]

I'm really hoping for Marcus Cooper. Not holding my breath though.

If the Steelers brought in just 1 high level FA this offseason, who would you want? Honestly, I would want us to trade for Kirk Cousins. He wants to leave DC and we need somebody to take over after we win the SB next season. Not exactly FA, I know, but possible offseason move that could really help us going forward.

With Wheaton gone now, any change in how you view our 'need' at WR for this draft? I've been of the opinion we should draft one, now even more so.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Cooper will probably be out of prince range also. (Can't see Colbert handing out a contract where the price is over $5mil per year)

I'd look at Mo Claiborne, Alterraun Verner, maybe Munnerlyn will come cheaper than expected, slot CB with only 1 INT last year...

We've been hot on the trail for Dre Kirkpatrick and Logan Ryan. Clearly we are willing to spend over $5 million a season. Just probably not $10 million a season. We can pick up a damn good player for something in between

[Born2Steel]

We've been hot on the trail for Dre Kirkpatrick and Logan Ryan. Clearly we are willing to spend over $5 million a season. Just probably not $10 million a season. We can pick up a damn good player for something in between

Agreed. We don't need many pieces to finish out this defense, and really only need quality depth on offense. One good FA move could put us right where we want to be.

[st33lersguy]

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Now I'm hearing that McCloughan's firing was related to a power struggle with Bruce Allen and Redskins management. That organization remains a mess

[Psycho Ward 86]

Other the Jets, the Eagles are also interested in Marcus Cooper: http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/03/07/cornerbacks/

However, the Eagles are also looking at Davon House and Kayvon Webster so hopefully Cooper makes his way around

[DesertSteel]

Looking at the free agent list at our positions of need leads me to the conclusion that we just stick with the draft. Most of these guys at OLB and CB are long in the tooth or command 10M+ a year. I'd say that we sign no one this year.

[86WARD]

Surprised there hasn't been a Marty Bennett movement yet.

[Born2Steel]

Now that Timmons is a Dolphin, any interest in Hightower/Brown? Brown is better in coverage but Hightower can get to the QB regularly. If either signs for more than 11Mil, we're at a loss.

[Psycho Ward 86]

God i despise the Patriots: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000792321/article/carolina-panthers-trade-de-kony-ealy-to-patriots

"It's a strong deal for coach Bill Belichick, who simply slipped down eight spots in the draft from No. 64 to No. 72 to grab a player just entering his prime"

[Psycho Ward 86]

Market value of ILB Zach Brown is $4.5 million a season: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/zach-brown-9862/market-value/

a player younger, and better than Timmons for less than what we offered him? i would take that in a heartbeat

[Mojouw]

Market value of ILB Zach Brown is $4.5 million a season: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/zach-brown-9862/market-value/

a player younger, and better than Timmons for less than what we offered him? i would take that in a heartbeat

Not a bad idea. But I would rather see Wiliams and high draft pick than Brown. Not really a knock on Brown, just a preference for the bit higher ceiling of a draft pick.

[Psycho Ward 86]

CB Kayvon Webster market value: $1.7 million per year

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/kayvon-webster-12371/market-value/

[SteelerFanInStl]

God i despise the Patriots: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000792321/article/carolina-panthers-trade-de-kony-ealy-to-patriots

"It's a strong deal for coach Bill Belichick, who simply slipped down eight spots in the draft from No. 64 to No. 72 to grab a player just entering his prime"

I agree. I don't know what kind of voodoo they're using to get these teams to just practically hand players over to them.

[BlackAndGold]

Martellus Bennett To Packers.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Martellus Bennett To Packers.

hmm thats weird i didnt know Martellus Bennett plays corner

[BlackAndGold]

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[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

I agree. I don't know what kind of voodoo they're using to get these teams to just practically hand players over to them.I never understood that and now they got Cooks.

[BlackAndGold]

Captain Munnerlyn to Carolina.

[st33lersguy]

Pats surrendered their 1st and 3rd round comp

[BlackAndGold]

Pats surrendered their 1st and 3rd round comp

For a guy in Cooks who fits like a glove in that offense. His Speed is dangerous.

And they don't need picks, they are all in for their 6th Super Bowl.

[Psycho Ward 86]

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Now watch them get 2 1st round picks back from the browns with a Jimmy Garoppolo trade. Cooks is going to be the next perennially 110+ catch guy on the patriots, except he's the only one theyve had with true vertical speed

[BlackAndGold]

On Paper we're probably the only team that can knock the Pats off, and right now there is a huge gap between the two teams.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

If I was Brees I would announce my retirement right after the draft to say a big F to the Saints for getting rid of my only good wr.

[SteelerFanInStl]

If I was Brees I would announce my retirement right after the draft to say a big F to the Saints for getting rid of my only good wr.

Thomas is really good but he'll definitely miss Cooks.

[Shoes]

Now watch them get 2 1st round picks back from the browns with a Jimmy Garoppolo trade. Cooks is going to be the next perennially 110+ catch guy on the patriots, except he's the only one theyve had with true vertical speed

That wouldn't surprise me at all!

[86WARD]

Now watch them get 2 1st round picks back from the browns with a Jimmy Garoppolo trade. Cooks is going to be the next perennially 110+ catch guy on the patriots, except he's the only one theyve had with true vertical speed

Pretty much exactly how it will go down...people want to make fun of them being the best, but they pretty much prove it at this time of year. They just know what they are doing while most of the rest of the league thinks they know...

[Psycho Ward 86]

Pretty much exactly how it will go down...people want to make fun of them being the best, but they pretty much prove it at this time of year. They just know what they are doing while most of the rest of the league thinks they know...

its seriously gotten to the point where i wonder why ANY team EVER bothers to trade with the patriots. the patriots seem to come out on top of those trades every single time. granted, we wont see what happens with these trades just yet but the past is the best indicator of the future

[fansince'76]

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Why? Especially with that outrageous contract? :noidea:

[Psycho Ward 86]

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Why? Especially with that outrageous contract? :noidea:

Last season's best and worst team are winning free agency so far :lol:

[Born2Steel]

What team(s) has won free agency and gone on to have a successful season following?

[Psycho Ward 86]

More on Marcus Cooper: I read on steelerswire that apparently the Cardinals mostly used him as a nickel corner, but the cardinals often moved him outside to use his size. Apparently he is very scheme versatile.

Read on a cardinals website that apparently he was a pro bowl alternate. Supposedly he played really well on the outside, but had some struggles inside. I still want him, but it looks like were still going to need some help right away at slot corner. Please dear god let Senquez be healthy and play to his pedigree

[86WARD]

Cooper is visiting Chicago

[Shoes]

Cooper is visiting Chicago


If the Steelers miss out on Cooper, I'd close the curtain on the DB search in FA.

[86WARD]

I'd say there's a pretty good chance they won't get him.

[BurghBoy412]

Alterraun Verner is still out there.

[Psycho Ward 86]

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[Mojouw]

If the Steelers miss out on Cooper, I'd close the curtain on the DB search in FA.

I would agree with one small exception - a vet coming off a bad year who is willing to take an extremely team friendly deal (meaning they can get cut).

That would extend the options to Revis, Flowers, Robinson, and a few others I am likely forgetting.

[Shoes]

I would agree with one small exception - a vet coming off a bad year who is willing to take an extremely team friendly deal (meaning they can get cut).

That would extend the options to Revis, Flowers, Robinson, and a few others I am likely forgetting.

I'll buy that, except for Flowers. I believe he's another concussion casualty.

[teegre]

Your sig

I just noticed a change/addition to your sig mock:
Trey Hendrickson

:nod:

Give me him and Reddick (which you have, also)... and you could draft punters the rest of the way for all I care.

[BurghBoy412]

I see that Brandon Carr is still available. From looking at his stats the guy hasn't missed a game in his carrer! Why not him?

[SteelerFanInStl]

I see that Brandon Carr is still available. From looking at his stats the guy hasn't missed a game in his carrer! Why not him?

PFF ranked him as the 4th best CB on the Cowboys roster last year behind Claiborne, Scandrick and rookie Anthony Brown. He's a good coverage CB but has only 1 int in the past 3 seasons. He's never lived up to that huge contract that Dallas gave him. I also read that he was contemplating retirement.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Im probably in the minority here, but with Karlos Williams being waived for the billionth time, i think that might quietly make it more likely for Deangelo Williams to come back. I was lowkey hoping Karlos Williams stays off drugs and returns to his rookie season form, with another rookie RB in bay. Now it doesnt look so good.

I would love Benny Cunningham or Rex Burkhead. There was an article on Benny on steelersdepot a while back. He's pretty good at everything. Not a bellcow probably , hasnt had a ton of touches in his career but enough to let you know he's capable. Good utility back, and good kick returner too. Not to mention young (26)

Burkhead is also young (26), and he really lit up the ravens in the season finale (27 carries, 117 yards, 2 TD's, 2 receptions for 25 yards). Thats a top 5 rushing defense and not an accomplishment to sneeze over. A lot of bengals fans were calling for him to replace Jeremy Hill down the stretch, also something to take into consideration.

Eddie Lacy could be a real boon as well. Yeah, he had one season where he was overweight, but even then he managed over 4 yards per carry and over 9 yards per catch. He was back on track this season to obliterate his career high rushing yardage and had 5.1 YPC until an ankle injury ended it. Even the top RB's on the market arent getting a whole lot of attention so Lacy could be leveraged into a team friendly deal. I would feel so comfortable with him in the backfield if Bell had to miss time

[SteelerFanInStl]

I like DWill, but I don't know about bringing him back. I'm afraid that he's done after last year. We need a younger HB.

I've watched Benny Cunningham a lot with the Rams. He's definitely a guy that I'd like to see with the Steelers. He's really good on special teams and always did well when he got a chance to carry the ball.

Burkhead has also looked good in the little amount that I've seen him. Either of these would be an improvement over Frenchy.

[Mojouw]

RB is not really a big concern. Do they need a couple of guys - absolutely. But look who is still out there (in no order)

Cunningham
Lacy
Burkhead
Charles
McFadden
Knile Davis
Christine Michel
Stepfan Taylor
Latavius Murray

Plus the dozen or so legit guys in the draft. There is no need to rush on this or even worry about it. They will be able to find 2 guys on the cheap.

[tube517]

Complete the circle.

Benny Cunningham in a Steelers uniform. There is something so historical with that combination.

[BlackAndGold]

Cooper Signs with Bears.

[Born2Steel]

Cooper Signs with Bears.

Of course he did. At least he didn't go to a rival. All I will be interested in now will be Hightower/Brown.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Well that is about it now for any secondary free agent help. Maybe they can talk Chad Scott back out of retirement. I heard he will be willing to play for Uber & Domino's pizza gift cards. Sounds like a good fit and about what Pitt is looking to pay free agents.

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[BurghBoy412]

Alt Verner all day!!

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Alt Verner all day!! He probably got acquired by another team before your post. I'm guessing the Saints.

[BurghBoy412]

He probably got acquired by another team before your post. I'm guessing the Saints.

Pretty sure he's still looking for work

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Pretty sure he's still looking for work I know but making a point how quick all the secondary players are getting nabbed quick so far.

[BlackAndGold]

Seems like Colbert and crew are more confident with the talent than most.

From the get go I've said that I'm fine with Burns, and Cockrell as the outside corners, as long as Burns develops into a true #1 corner(Cockrell is a much better fit as a #2). I'm just worried about the slot, Gay is older, Golson is a complete unknown. That position should be viewed as a starter.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Seems like Colbert and crew are more confident with the talent than most.

From the get go I've said that I'm fine with Burns, and Cockrell as the outside corners, as long as Burn develops into a true #1 corner(Cockrell is a much better fit as a #2). I'm just worried about the slot, Gay is older, Golson is a complete unknown. That postilion should be viewed as a starter.Yep looking like we may be starting another rookie corner again this year.

[BurghBoy412]

I have a feeling we'll be signing Brandon Flowers.

[Shoes]

I have a feeling we'll be signing Brandon Flowers.

Well at least Ladarius Green will have someone to eat sunflower seeds with and talk concussions. At this point I'd rather try and get Robinson cheap and Revis even cheaper as Mojo said in post 146.

[BurghBoy412]

Well at least Ladarius Green will have someone to eat sunflower seeds with and talk concussions.
Maybe they can be healthy and contribute to another title. Let's think positive

[Shoes]

Maybe they can be healthy and contribute to another title. Let's think positive

Thinking positive is good, but multiple concussions keeps players on the pine plank, then out of football and thats reality. Team friendly deal with Robinson first then Revis I'd be fine with.

[BurghBoy412]

Thinking positive is good, but multiple concussions keeps players on the pine plank, then out of football and thats reality. Team friendly deal with Robinson first then Revis I'd be fine with.
Have your reality. I'm gonna stay in Fantasyland if that's OK with you?

[Psycho Ward 86]

at this point ill find a reason to get ecstatic over Revis if we get him. which we wont

[Shoes]

Have your reality. I'm gonna stay in Fantasyland if that's OK with you?

You can stay wherever you want. I just read Robinson also had concussion and injury issues last season and couldn't stay on the field. Revis is left.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Nolan Caroll would have been a good nickel for us and wasnt even expensive...3 years $10 million for the Cowboys

[BurghBoy412]

You can stay wherever you want. I just read Robinson also had concussion and injury issues last season and couldn't stay on the field. Revis is left.
Alterraun Verner

[Shoes]

Alterraun Verner

I'll have to check him out, thanks.

[BurghBoy412]

I'll have to check him out, thanks.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/23/alterraun-verner-says-hes-already-getting-calls-from-other-teams/

[BurghBoy412]

Carnell Lake coached Alterraun Verner for two years at UCLA
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/02/steelers-interest-soon-released-cb-alterraun-verner/

[Shoes]

Carnell Lake coached Alterraun Verner for two years at UCLA
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/02/steelers-interest-soon-released-cb-alterraun-verner/

I don't get the production decline. Seems like a hard worker, good attitude, no injuries that I saw and only 28 years old?

[BurghBoy412]

I don't get the production decline. Seems like a hard worker, good attitude, no injuries that I saw and only 28 years old?
Being on a bad team rarely helps a players production. Maybe he just didn't mesh well with the system.

[Shoes]

Being on a bad team rarely helps a players production.

Agreed and thanks for the tip.

[BurghBoy412]

Agreed and thanks for the tip.
You're welcome

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Carnell Lake coached Alterraun Verner for two years at UCLA
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/02/steelers-interest-soon-released-cb-alterraun-verner/ Makes sense and explains why he is still out there and nobody wants him.

[BurghBoy412]

Kayvon Webster would be a good pick up. He couldn't crack the starting lineup in Denver because of the depth they have at the position.

http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/08/nfl-free-agency-2017-kayvon-webster-eagles-dolphins-news/

[Born2Steel]

2017 Free Agents: Dont'a Hightower highlights (http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-england-patriots/0ap3000000787603/2017-Free-Agents-Dont-a-Hightower-highlights)
2017 Free Agents: Zach Brown Highlights (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=0ap3000000789160&icampaign=%22search-video-zach+brown%22)
2014: Best of Connor Barwin (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=0ap3000000454734) (best I could find)
Peter's Top 5 pending defensive free agents (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=0ap3000000790991&icampaign=%22search-video-kevin+minter%22)

[Mojouw]

What about an "internal" free agent? Arthur Moats?

[Method28]

Jacksonville cut NT Roy Miller due to the Campbell signing. Could be a decent backup for cheap. Good against the run. Short and stout.

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[Born2Steel]

What about an "internal" free agent? Arthur Moats?

I'm reading that Moats is signed through the '17 season on a 3 year 7.5Mil deal. Just extended James 2 years and will most likely draft at least 1 more edge rusher this draft. Moats can move inside too, so resigning him next year at ILB will be less expensive than at OLB, I think. He went out of one of the playoff games with a serious injury also, didn't he? How's that rehabbing? So, i guess all that to say, i don't know that anything gets done for Moats this offseason.

[Mojouw]

I'm reading that Moats is signed through the '17 season on a 3 year 7.5Mil deal. Just extended James 2 years and will most likely draft at least 1 more edge rusher this draft. Moats can move inside too, so resigning him next year at ILB will be less expensive than at OLB, I think. He went out of one of the playoff games with a serious injury also, didn't he? How's that rehabbing? So, i guess all that to say, i don't know that anything gets done for Moats this offseason.

I should have been clearer. I didn't mean a contract or a signing, but more that they switch him back to the pretty decent ILB he was when he played for Buffalo.

[Born2Steel]

I should have been clearer. I didn't mean a contract or a signing, but more that they switch him back to the pretty decent ILB he was when he played for Buffalo.

:nod: That could very well be the plan. Rotate Moats with Shaz and Bugs, leave Chick to rotate with James on the outside. Let new draftee back up Bud. That's a pretty solid plan for March.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Willing to throw $5 million at Timmons per season, but not even have a chat with Zach Brown who's market value is around $4.5 million via sportac? Come on now.

How good exactly is Kayvon? On the forums, Bronco fans seem to really like him a lot and were ready to see him expand his role until Roby was drafted and Talib was brought in. From what ive read on film reviews of his time in the NFL and from broncos forums, Kayvon is a big and physical man coverage corner, great at open field tackling, and the broncos best special teams player. Still has great instincts when he plays off. Looks twitchy when he clicks and closes, loves to hit. He can play outside and inside.

Apparently he had a little hand injury that he played through his rookie season that he played well in spite of. He was drafted to replace Champ Bailey and played well enough for the broncos to consider cutting Aqib Talib because of his big cap hit. I feel like those are big votes of confidence in Webster.

Tell me this guy doesnt sound like a Steeler? Probably the last guy left other than maaaybe Revis that i would proactively want thats out in free agency

[BurghBoy412]

Kayvon Webster would easily take Cockrell's job. The problem is the Rams are after him and Webster has played for Wade Phillips already.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Kayvon Webster would easily take Cockrell's job. The problem is the Rams are after him and Webster has played for Wade Phillips already.

eagles and dolphins want him to.

God can we just take a serious jab at at least some bargain priced free agents like Webster??

[BurghBoy412]

eagles and dolphins want him to.

God can we just take a serious jab at at least some bargain priced free agents like Webster??
Unfortunately we only see part of what's going on. Maybe they have made moves on guys just to spark interest from other teams. They (opposing teams) overpay for the FA and fill their need. In turn that frees up a prospect for the Steelers on draft day that wouldn't have been there otherwise.

Chess Bro not Checkers

[Psycho Ward 86]

Unfortunately we only see part of what's going on. Maybe they have made moves on guys just to spark interest from other teams. They (opposing teams) overpay for the FA and fill their need. In turn that frees up a prospect for the Steelers on draft day that wouldn't have been there otherwise.

Chess Bro not Checkers

thats interesting stuff. i wonder if that really happens. you never hear about it, but it seems feasible

[BurghBoy412]

thats interesting stuff. i wonder if that really happens. you never hear about it, but it seems feasible

I have no idea but it sounded good. huh?:scratchchin:

[BlackAndGold]

I should have been clearer. I didn't mean a contract or a signing, but more that they switch him back to the pretty decent ILB he was when he played for Buffalo.

Robert Golden could become the 3rd down ILB...

[Mojouw]

Robert Golden could become the 3rd down ILB...

He could. But it seemed like they auditioned him for that role early in 2016 and it didn't seem to take. He was awful in the AFCG as well. If they want to push a safety down to the LB level on 3rd downs, I think they need to upgrade the safety position.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Robert Golden could become the 3rd down ILB...

they tried that in the 1st half of the season and it didnt go well. Granted, we also werent blitzing much so maybe he's better than at first glance. Getting a safety early becomes a much bigger possibility with Timmons departure. Obi is looking more and more enticing

[Shoes]

I think the Steelers will go via the draft on a CB since there are so many good players. It's possible they may pick up Gilbert again, but I don't expect anything more to happen in this area.

[Psycho Ward 86]

I think the Steelers will go via the draft on a CB since there are so many good players. It's possible they may pick up Gilbert again, but I don't expect anything more to happen in this area.

seems to me that every year they try to use free agency to fill holes where the draft isnt as deep. The consensus seems to be that cornerback, outside linebacker, safety, and running back are especially good in depth. at inside linebacker only the 1st 3 guys are top end prospects. im still confused why we havent even heard about giving Zach Brown a little chat

[DesertSteel]

seems to me that every year they try to use free agency to fill holes where the draft isnt as deep. The consensus seems to be that cornerback, outside linebacker, safety, and running back are especially good in depth. at inside linebacker only the 1st 3 guys are top end prospects. im still confused why we havent even heard about giving Zach Brown a little chat
Never really heard of him, but his stat line looks pretty nice.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Kevin Minter too. Snoop on a cardinals forum and they like him, he's good at everything. He struggled up until this past season but he's come around in a big way. Not everyone kicks ass on day 1. Why have we not heard anything from a guy who:

1. is a good, well rounded player which is exactly what we look for in our ILB's
2. is a sleeper pick that has only drawn attention from 1 other team
3. fills a position of need (according to most)
4. does not have a whacky unaffordable market value

Basically could say the same thing about Zach Brown but that would be redundant given that ive said the name like a hundred times by now

[Mojouw]

I'm not sure that Minter or Brown is really any more of a ILB than Vince Williams is. Look at the film breakdown on VW at Steelers Depot today. Maybe he is better than I remember?

What I'm saying is that VW is signed pretty darn cheap. Minter and Brown would likely cost more, the FA market always does. And I don't know if they are that large of an upgrade.

But Reddick, Peppers, Menofunwasdjfaosurwopr'juaodsfajsdfoajsdfopa (whatever - the Uconn dude), Baker, etc all seem to be a BIG athletic upgrade. So maybe that's the thinking?

[Psycho Ward 86]

I'm not sure that Minter or Brown is really any more of a ILB than Vince Williams is. Look at the film breakdown on VW at Steelers Depot today. Maybe he is better than I remember?

What I'm saying is that VW is signed pretty darn cheap. Minter and Brown would likely cost more, the FA market always does. And I don't know if they are that large of an upgrade.

But Reddick, Peppers, Menofunwasdjfaosurwopr'juaodsfajsdfoajsdfopa (whatever - the Uconn dude), Baker, etc all seem to be a BIG athletic upgrade. So maybe that's the thinking?

fair assessment. the steelers FO does seem to be going with the "go big or go home" strategy at ILB right now. im completely comfortable with going into the draft with no further signing at ILB since a lot of the players we are showing a lot of love to could step in right away and contribute as an ILB or as the moneybacker.

cornerback, not so much anymore. but now it seems like a lose-lose situation consisting of:

1) get someone who sucks
2) get someone who used to not suck but has a strong chance of still sucking and probably pay a higher than usual amount
3) try to sign Malcolm Butler away from the patriots for a 1st round pick, and most likely hand their asses a great player at #30 anyways (this one makes me want to puke because of how pyrrhic of a victory it would be)

[Shoes]

Eddie Lacy weighed in at 267 pounds at one of his visits! :lol:

[Mojouw]

fair assessment. the steelers FO does seem to be going with the "go big or go home" strategy at ILB right now. im completely comfortable with going into the draft with no further signing at ILB since a lot of the players we are showing a lot of love to could step in right away and contribute as an ILB or as the moneybacker.

cornerback, not so much anymore. but now it seems like a lose-lose situation consisting of:

1) get someone who sucks
2) get someone who used to not suck but has a strong chance of still sucking and probably pay a higher than usual amount
3) try to sign Malcolm Butler away from the patriots for a 1st round pick, and most likely hand their asses a great player at #30 anyways (this one makes me want to puke because of how pyrrhic of a victory it would be)

Or Draft Artie Burns 2.0 and install him across from 1.0 on Day One. Hope by the end of the season the "growing pains" are mostly done.

[st33lersguy]

Eddie Lacy weighed in at 267 pounds at one of his visits! :lol:

Yep, and the bitch pigeons signed him

[BlackAndGold]

via Chris Tomasson, the Steelers have shown interest in CB, Nickell Robey-Coleman. Was rated as the 2nd best slot CB last season.

[Psycho Ward 86]

via Chris Tomasson, the Steelers have shown interest in CB, Nickell Robey-Coleman. Was rated as the 2nd best slot CB last season.

the smallest cornerback in the league. yup, thats how you move towards man coverage :lol:

[tube517]

the smallest cornerback in the league. yup, thats how you move towards man coverage :lol:

He could make Senquez look big :chuckle:

[Psycho Ward 86]

BREAKING NEWS: Steelers offer vet minimum for a cast off. Outbid by opposing team with no cap space by a dollar

[Psycho Ward 86]

Pacman Jones is officially out of the division. Geez, the bengals are losing so many key players the past 2 offseasons. Lost Whitworth and Zeitler. Peko and Hunt.

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[Psycho Ward 86]

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/03/report-steelers-touch-olb-connor-barwin/

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one of the guys on my wishlist. this would be a great pick up. unfortunately he's also visiting the bengals. i dont see why that would make sense though. Connor is a great 3-4 OLB. Changing into a 4-3 OLB is a death sentence. Just ask James Harrison

[SteelerFanInStl]

Eddie Lacy weighed in at 267 pounds at one of his visits! :lol:

From Beast Mode to Feast Mode!

And Pete Carroll said "I want him big". Well Pete, I don't see that as being a problem.

[Method28]

BREAKING NEWS: Steelers offer vet minimum for a cast off. Outbid by opposing team with no cap space by a dollar
Damn! Well we ALMOST got em 😁

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[Mojouw]

BREAKING NEWS: Steelers offer vet minimum for a cast off. Outbid by opposing team with no cap space by a dollar


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[BurghBoy412]

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Yes!!

[BurghBoy412]

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He's still out there!

[Dwinsgames]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170315/e519d3bfaa409b1c53a60faa8141d4fa.jpg

He's still out there!

I think he is out there for getting exposed and then beat out by a guy making 1/10th his contract value .... people where leery on House they should be equally so with Verner

[BurghBoy412]

Does anybody know who Terrance Newman is going to sign with?

[BlackAndGold]

Does anybody know who Terrance Newman is going to sign with?

Just re-signed with Minnesota.

[BurghBoy412]

Just re-signed with Minnesota.
Crap

[pczach]

NFL live just reporting that Darrelle Revis had all charges dismissed against him from the incident outside of Pittsburgh.

Does this make him someone more interesting moving forward? Is a player like Revis willing to play for a "prove it" contract and a chance to win?

[Shoes]

NFL live just reporting that Darrelle Revis had all charges dismissed against him from the incident outside of Pittsburgh.

Does this make him someone more interesting moving forward? Is a player like Revis willing to play for a "prove it" contract and a chance to win?

I'd kick the tires on him for the right price.

[Mojouw]

Terrence Newman is 39 damn years old. I'm not going cry in my beer that the Steelers didn't give (I'm guessing here based on the $3 million it was in 2016) $3-4 million dollars of a cap hit to an almost 40 year old outside CB.

Maybe once every 3 years or so, some mind bogling player in their mid-prime (say 26-27) hits the open market. That's the type of signing I can see going all out for. But it should be noted, it hardly ever works. My list of "cap busting FA signings" that turned a franchise around is Reggie White, Deion Sanders (twice), Charles Haley, maybe T.O., and that's about it.

Should be noted that all those really SB influencing big $$$ signings happened almost 20 years ago. The NFL has this FA stuff figured out. If I guy hits the open market and his old team doesn't want to pony up the cash, you can bet there is a good reason. How did that Suh signing work out? What about Mario Williams? What about all the teams that paid Revis?

Currently FA is more about retaining your own guys and signing the NEXT someone big - on the cheap before any notices they are going to "breakout" or bounce-back veterans on the cheap.

So far, those dominos have only just started to fall in the FA period this cycle. The Steelers tried at OLB and CB and succeeded at WR. I'm not going to freak out yet. I will freak out if camp opens and there are still gaping holes on the depth chart.

[BurghBoy412]

Terrence Newman is 39 damn years old. I'm not going cry in my beer that the Steelers didn't give (I'm guessing here based on the $3 million it was in 2016) $3-4 million dollars of a cap hit to an almost 40 year old outside CB.

Maybe once every 3 years or so, some mind bogling player in their mid-prime (say 26-27) hits the open market. That's the type of signing I can see going all out for. But it should be noted, it hardly ever works. My list of "cap busting FA signings" that turned a franchise around is Reggie White, Deion Sanders (twice), Charles Haley, maybe T.O., and that's about it.

Should be noted that all those really SB influencing big $$$ signings happened almost 20 years ago. The NFL has this FA stuff figured out. If I guy hits the open market and his old team doesn't want to pony up the cash, you can bet there is a good reason. How did that Suh signing work out? What about Mario Williams? What about all the teams that paid Revis?

Currently FA is more about retaining your own guys and signing the NEXT someone big - on the cheap before any notices they are going to "breakout" or bounce-back veterans on the cheap.

So far, those dominos have only just started to fall in the FA period this cycle. The Steelers tried at OLB and CB and succeeded at WR. I'm not going to freak out yet. I will freak out if camp opens and there are still gaping holes on the depth chart.
At 40 he's better than Cockrell in his prime.

[Shoes]

I think the Steeler take Revis or Gilbert on the cheap.

[Dwinsgames]

NFL live just reporting that Darrelle Revis had all charges dismissed against him from the incident outside of Pittsburgh.

Does this make him someone more interesting moving forward? Is a player like Revis willing to play for a "prove it" contract and a chance to win?


no thanks , I believe he is washed up and currently living on reputation of days gone by ...

[SteelerFanInStl]

NFL live just reporting that Darrelle Revis had all charges dismissed against him from the incident outside of Pittsburgh.

Does this make him someone more interesting moving forward? Is a player like Revis willing to play for a "prove it" contract and a chance to win?

He also told Aditi that playing for the Steelers "would be a dream come true".

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[pczach]

Terrence Newman is 39 damn years old. I'm not going cry in my beer that the Steelers didn't give (I'm guessing here based on the $3 million it was in 2016) $3-4 million dollars of a cap hit to an almost 40 year old outside CB.

Maybe once every 3 years or so, some mind bogling player in their mid-prime (say 26-27) hits the open market. That's the type of signing I can see going all out for. But it should be noted, it hardly ever works. My list of "cap busting FA signings" that turned a franchise around is Reggie White, Deion Sanders (twice), Charles Haley, maybe T.O., and that's about it.

Should be noted that all those really SB influencing big $$$ signings happened almost 20 years ago. The NFL has this FA stuff figured out. If I guy hits the open market and his old team doesn't want to pony up the cash, you can bet there is a good reason. How did that Suh signing work out? What about Mario Williams? What about all the teams that paid Revis?

Currently FA is more about retaining your own guys and signing the NEXT someone big - on the cheap before any notices they are going to "breakout" or bounce-back veterans on the cheap.

So far, those dominos have only just started to fall in the FA period this cycle. The Steelers tried at OLB and CB and succeeded at WR. I'm not going to freak out yet. I will freak out if camp opens and there are still gaping holes on the depth chart.


Agreed.

No point freaking out about who they didn't get. Let's see who else they pick up.

Justin Hunter makes a ton of sense as an insurance policy. It also turns into an audition for his next contract, and can potentially turn into more if he produces with the Steelers. The contract details haven't been revealed yet, but it's doubtful it is a huge number. He is a freakish athlete that hasn't had a great quarterback throwing him the ball since he came into the league.

To me, that is a very solid signing.

Free agency isn't over yet, and there are still many moves that can be made right up to the opener as teams make roster cuts. We all love to follow this stuff, but there is no need to panic about anything.

[Shoes]

Agreed.

No point freaking out about who they didn't get. Let's see who else they pick up.

Justin Hunter makes a ton of sense as an insurance policy. It also turns into an audition for his next contract, and can potentially turn into more if he produces with the Steelers. The contract details haven't been revealed yet, but it's doubtful it is a huge number. He is a freakish athlete that hasn't had a great quarterback throwing him the ball since he came into the league.

To me, that is a very solid signing.

Free agency isn't over yet, and there are still many moves that can be made right up to the opener as teams make roster cuts. We all love to follow this stuff, but there is no need to panic about anything.


Agreed, for Bryant who I think is going to be fine and Coates who I'm not very sure about. :chuckle:

[pczach]

Agreed, for Bryant who I think is going to be fine and Coates who I'm not very sure about. :chuckle:


Imagine if Arians was still here and he can go five-wide with AB, Bryant, Hunter, Coates, and Rogers???? :smoker:

They could fit Ben for his body cast right now!

[Shoes]

Imagine if Arians was still here and he can go five-wide with AB, Bryant, Hunter, Coates, and Rogers???? :smoker:

They could fit Ben for his body cast right now!

:lol:

[st33lersguy]

Imagine if Arians was still here and he can go five-wide with AB, Bryant, Hunter, Coates, and Rogers???? :smoker:

They could fit Ben for his body cast right now!

On 3rd and inches, in the cold, with the wind blowing very hard

[Born2Steel]

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/03/report-steelers-touch-olb-connor-barwin/

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one of the guys on my wishlist. this would be a great pick up. unfortunately he's also visiting the bengals. i dont see why that would make sense though. Connor is a great 3-4 OLB. Changing into a 4-3 OLB is a death sentence. Just ask James Harrison

Speaking of your wishlist, I read that TJ McDonald is expected to be suspended for the next season.

[DesertSteel]

Revis says he's 10# lighter and training hard. Willing to discuss a change to Safety if needed. Said he'd love to play for the Steelers.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-free-agency/0ap3000000793277/Darrelle-Revis-I-want-to-go-where-I-m-wanted

[Born2Steel]

Revis says he's 10# lighter and training hard. Willing to discuss a change to Safety if needed. Said he'd love to play for the Steelers.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-free-agency/0ap3000000793277/Darrelle-Revis-I-want-to-go-where-I-m-wanted

Sounds like a great plan.

Revis, a native of Aliquippa, Pa., and a University of Pittsburgh standout said Wednesday that playing for the cornerback-needy Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) -- his hometown team -- would be a dream come true."That would be great," Revis said. "As a child I watched the Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) play. Went to a few games as a young child. I played there in high school and college, so to play there professionally that would be awesome too. We'll see. Hopefully we'll have a conversation with the Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) and see if we can come up with something."

[steelcityboyz]

Would love to have Revis in the secondary. Just imagine the leadership he would bring to our young guys.. But sadly it ain't happening. revis will demand too much $$ and that ain't the way the steelers roll. :nono:

[Psycho Ward 86]

Should be noted that all those really SB influencing big $$$ signings happened almost 20 years ago. The NFL has this FA stuff figured out. If I guy hits the open market and his old team doesn't want to pony up the cash, you can bet there is a good reason. How did that Suh signing work out? What about Mario Williams? What about all the teams that paid Revis?


Well it went badly for the Buccaneers. But Revis was a homewrecker for the patriots and helped them win a superbowl.

Im willing to entertain Revis on his 2nd redemption tour. Didnt think i would be saying that a few short months ago. Wants to play here, willing to play safety, did well on his last redemption tour, probably will come pretty cheap given his last season

[Mojouw]

At 40 he's better than Cockrell in his prime.

Is he? Plays across from Xavier Rhodes, one of the better #1 CBs in the game. Newman gets to play #2 WRs etc.

Cockerell played #1's last couple of years.

He might still be better, but as with everything there isn't a cut and dried answer.

[Rotorhead]

Moving to Safety would be great, he can cover the deep ball and actually tackle (you know, wrap up with his arms instead of flying head first at someone and missing completely, then jumping up and down after someone else tackles the person, like he just won the superbowl) and get Int's.

[BlackAndGold]

Revis if moved to safety wouldn't start here.

Only corner, but he'd have to come cheap. He's no longer a #1 guy but I feel like he could be a "stop gap" until we find a long term #2

[tube517]

Imagine if Arians was still here and he can go five-wide with AB, Bryant, Hunter, Coates, and Rogers???? :smoker:

They could fit Ben for his body cast right now!

Perfect. No fullbacks so it fits with Brucey's scheme :chuckle:

[86WARD]

Claiborne is off the boards and onto the Jets...another CB gone.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Claiborne is off the boards and onto the Jets...another CB gone.

I've already accepted the fact that once again we're not going to sign a FA CB that's worth a damn. We're stuck drafting a CB again.

[BlackAndGold]

Connor Barwin to Rams on a 1 year deal worth $6.5M.

[86WARD]

Thank God that idea can go away...lol.

[teegre]

I've already accepted the fact that once again we're not going to sign a FA CB that's worth a damn. We're stuck drafting a CB again.

That's not such a bad thing. This draft is loaded with CBs... four rounds worth.

[BlackAndGold]

Like teegre said, this draft is stacked at CB. The Steelers see this, they are not going to overpay for average talent. Most of these corners are not even better than Cockrell, one of the reasons why I was "meh" about the Marcus Cooper interest. I don't believe he's better than Ross.

I know fans freak out but sometimes you have to trust these guys in Colbert and Tomlin. This team won 9 straight games with a young defense, that by the way was missing it's best player in Cam Heyward, they were missing weapons on offense(some due to injury), Now add the development of that young defense(which should be on it's way to being elite, yes ELITE), Bryant potentially returning on offense, four picks in the first 3 rounds of a deep defensive draft(also tight end to potentially replace Green), This team will be back on the hunt.

We talk about the Pats, and their great off season(they really have had a great off season) but their biggest signing last off season was a declining Chris Long. (and Chris Hogan whom wasn't a big signing, albeit he did seem like it against us smh.)

[SteelerFanInStl]

That's not such a bad thing. This draft is loaded with CBs... four rounds worth.

No, it's not necessarily a bad thing but it's another need for the draft and it means another young player in the secondary where we're already very young. It also means that we're once again counting on Golson to actually play and that hasn't worked out for us the past two seasons.

[Born2Steel]

I don't think we are as far 'off' defensively as it seems most do on here. We really only need 1 pass rusher to pair with Dupree, and quality depth in the secondary. This defense played very well last year. Remains to be seen how much we will miss Timmons, but I'm very optimistic about this defense. Our offense didn't produce in the playoffs was the problem. We probably never should have made it out of KC, but the defense won it for us. I would love to see a 1 year, incentive laden deal for Revis, and bring in a quality ILB like Brown/Minton. Get the rest in the draft and concentrate on putting more points on the board. We SHOULD be putting 40 on just about every team.

[teegre]

No, it's not necessarily a bad thing but it's another need for the draft and it means another young player in the secondary where we're already very young. It also means that we're once again counting on Golson to actually play and that hasn't worked out for us the past two seasons.

Truthfully, I'm fine with a young secondary. Let Burns, Davis, CB2, CB3, and NewFS gel and grow together. Sure there will be a learning curve (mistakes will be made), but in a year or two, they will have that "unspoken communication" that turns a good secondary into great one.

In the meantime...

Adding a pass-rusher will alleviate a lot of the aforementioned learning curve.