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BlackAndGold
02-24-2017, 03:30 PM
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Psycho Ward 86
02-24-2017, 03:36 PM
amazing. for once we catch a break. a lot of it must have to do with Antwon Blake, Sean Spence, and Mclendon actually ending up playing a lot of snaps. Thanks guys! Especially Blake...you finally did something good for once

Psycho Ward 86
02-24-2017, 03:46 PM
This is a game changer. Also important to note folks, compensatory draft picks can be TRADED now after the nfl owners agreed to it. We might trade up for somebody we really fall in love with. Who knows...

Mojouw
02-24-2017, 04:02 PM
Cincy, CLeveland, and KC got a ton of these shiny new tradeable picks.

Maybe more movement than ever in this draft?

My prediction is that IF this makes more trades, the NFL starts handing more out -- trades will juice the TV ratings!

st33lersguy
02-24-2017, 05:43 PM
Pleasant surprise, Let me guess

"DA STEALERS PAYED DA LEEG"

BlackAndGold
02-24-2017, 05:58 PM
They can take care of all their needs in the first 100 picks. OLB(double dip?), TE, CB, QB(doubt it)??

86WARD
02-24-2017, 07:28 PM
I think it has more to do with the contract than playing time...no?

BlackAndGold
02-25-2017, 05:58 AM
And just in case anyone forgot, these picks can now be traded. So if they want to move up, they have the ammo.

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I think it has more to do with the contract than playing time...no?

Correct.

tube517
02-25-2017, 07:43 AM
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Born2Steel
02-25-2017, 09:47 AM
I like that it opens up what we do at 30 even more. With a 2nd and 2 3rds, we can double dip any position and get 1st round talent. This is nice, real nice.

zulater
02-25-2017, 10:30 AM
If Nathan Peterman were still on the board when that picks comes up that would be the ideal time to go get your potential qb of the future!

hawaiiansteeler
02-25-2017, 11:53 AM
cool, let's hope we pick someone a little better than Dri Archer this time...

Born2Steel
02-25-2017, 01:20 PM
If Nathan Peterman were still on the board when that picks comes up that would be the ideal time to go get your potential qb of the future!

I like Peterman. If we did draft a QB this draft, I would get Peterman or Kelly.

hawaiiansteeler
02-25-2017, 02:28 PM
since comp picks are now tradeable maybe we can use it to trade up for a player like Ricardo Colclough or Shamarko Thomas :uhoh:

polamalubeast
02-25-2017, 02:42 PM
since comp picks are now tradeable maybe we can use it to trade up for a player like Ricardo Colclough or Shamarko Thomas :uhoh:

or for a player like Troy Polamalu!

ALLD
02-25-2017, 02:45 PM
We need another Vince Williams.

Born2Steel
02-25-2017, 03:04 PM
A 1st and 3rd to Cleveland for Myles Garrett. :cloud9:

Psycho Ward 86
02-25-2017, 03:10 PM
i think it would be interesting to discuss who these hypothetical players we might trade up for could be. i think david njoku is a prime candidate. Remember that Colbert always talks about how he picks out about a dozen cant miss prospects that they know are going to be superstars. If Njoku ends up being one of those guys, who knows.

these options sound way unlikely, but if S Jamal Adams or S Malik Hooker started slipping into the mid teens how crazy would it be if we traded up and snagged one of them? Keep in mind that Bud Dupree and David Decastro were supposed to be Top 10 picks. Hell, even Jarvis Jones was supposed to be a possible top 10 pick before he ran a shitty 40 time. Its possible. DT Shariff Floyd on the vikings was supposed to be a lock for top 5 selection and he went all the way down to 23 for no apparent reason at all.

Patrick Mahomes? OJ Howard?

A lot of the guys we could potentially trade up for might not even take a 3rd round pick to trade up for. Could be less

Shoes
02-25-2017, 04:51 PM
If Nathan Peterman were still on the board when that picks comes up that would be the ideal time to go get your potential qb of the future!


I like Peterman also, but if there are better QB's in next years draft, I'd wait until then for Ben's replacement.

teegre
02-25-2017, 10:28 PM
if there are better QB's in next years draft

There are. :nod:

2018's crop is significantly better:

-Josh Rosen, UCLA
-Luke Falk, Washington St.
-Sam Darnold, USC
-Jake Browning, Washington
-Lamar Jackson, Louisville

Since we acquired an addition pick (105), I'd trade the 62nd pick for another team's R1 pick in 2018 (to use for acquiring one of those QBs).


That said, maybe we just sit tight and take Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma) at 32... because, he very well may be the best passer of the bunch (72% completion percentage). If he is so good, why would he still be there at the end of R1?? He's got Drew Brees disease (short).

st33lersguy
02-25-2017, 10:55 PM
If Nathan Peterman were still on the board when that picks comes up that would be the ideal time to go get your potential qb of the future!

I like Peterman, I think he will be really good

Born2Steel
02-26-2017, 12:53 PM
There are. :nod:

2018's crop is significantly better:

-Josh Rosen, UCLA
-Luke Falk, Washington St.
-Sam Darnold, USC
-Jake Browning, Washington
-Lamar Jackson, Louisville

Since we acquired an addition pick (105), I'd trade the 62nd pick for another team's R1 pick in 2018 (to use for acquiring one of those QBs).


That said, maybe we just sit tight and take Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma) at 32... because, he very well may be the best passer of the bunch (72% completion percentage). If he is so good, why would he still be there at the end of R1?? He's got Drew Brees disease (short).

My concern is Mayfield comes from the same system that produced Sam Bradford and Landry Jones. Not sure how I feel about that. I think Peterman and Kelly will be successful from this draft. Plus, both should be there after we get our OLB and DB. Both may still be there round 4.

Mojouw
02-26-2017, 01:24 PM
Here is the thing about QB's in next year's draft. It is next year. No one knows what could happen. Injury. Off the field stuff. Turns out they all stink.

This year's class is here. They are about as known quantities as one can get. The strength (if you can call it that) of this year's QB class is in the later rounds.

Steeldude
02-27-2017, 12:57 AM
I hope the Steelers don't waste the extra 3rd round pick on a RB.

tube517
02-27-2017, 12:48 PM
I hope the Steelers don't waste the extra 3rd round pick on a RB.

Keep Haley's ass out of the draft war room :chuckle:

teegre
02-27-2017, 02:28 PM
Here is the thing about QB's in next year's draft. It is next year. No one knows what could happen. Injury. Off the field stuff. Turns out they all stink.

This year's class is here. They are about as known quantities as one can get. The strength (if you can call it that) of this year's QB class is in the later rounds.

Here is the thing about the draft: it's an inexact science.

Montana goes in R3.
Prescott goes in R4.
Brady goes in R6.
Warner goes undrafted.

Meanwhile...

Tim Couch goes #1 overall.
Jemarcus Russell goes #1 overall.
Ryan Leaf goes #2 overall.

Sure, the Steelers might get lucky, and Nate Peterman and/or Chad Kelly end up being the steals of the draft. Or... they join the Tee Martins, Matt Barkleys, and Landry Joneses of the world.

My point is this: waiting until next year might be a better option.

Again, sure any of the QBs that I listed could fail (and history indicates that two-thirds of them will indeed fail), but IMO next year's crop is indeed better than this year's crop of QBs. Simply, the last time that I felt anywhere near this good about a QB crop was 2004.

(NOTE: Do not get me wrong; none of these guys reminds me of BB, but they do remind me of that next tier of QB: Flacco, Cutler, Hasselbeck, Stafford.)

Mojouw
02-27-2017, 03:52 PM
Here is the thing about the draft: it's an inexact science.

Montana goes in R3.
Prescott goes in R4.
Brady goes in R6.
Warner goes undrafted.

Meanwhile...

Tim Couch goes #1 overall.
Jemarcus Russell goes #1 overall.
Ryan Leaf goes #2 overall.

Sure, the Steelers might get lucky, and Nate Peterman and/or Chad Kelly end up being the steals of the draft. Or... they join the Tee Martins, Matt Barkleys, and Landry Joneses of the world.

My point is this: waiting until next year might be a better option.

Again, sure any of the QBs that I listed could fail (and history indicates that two-thirds of them will indeed fail), but IMO next year's crop is indeed better than this year's crop of QBs. Simply, the last time that I felt anywhere near this good about a QB crop was 2004.

(NOTE: Do not get me wrong; none of these guys reminds me of BB, but they do remind me of that next tier of QB: Flacco, Cutler, Hasselbeck, Stafford.)

I can totally agree with all that. However, I would argue that if you are attempting to get your back-up or even "next" QB outside of Round 1 or Round 2 - then you better take one basically every year.

teegre
02-27-2017, 06:02 PM
I can totally agree with all that. However, I would argue that if you are attempting to get your back-up or even "next" QB outside of Round 1 or Round 2 - then you better take one basically every year.

Brian St. Pierre, Dennis Dixon, and Omar Jacobs like this post. :nod:


Really though, if you want to find a steal, then you absolutely have to draft a QB every single year... because, only 1 out of 10 even make a roster (let alone become a starter).

What is more probable is that the Steelers (effectively) evaluate next year's class of QBs, lock in on their guy, and pick that QB. And, I honestly hope that they trade up for him (as opposed to "settling"... and going through several years of Bubby Bristers and Kordell Stewarts).

st33lersguy
02-27-2017, 06:12 PM
As Mojouw said, you never know who is available. Guys projected to go in the 2018 draft could end up waiting until next year, plus the top QBs will likely be long gone anyway

teegre
02-27-2017, 07:31 PM
As Mojouw said, you never know who is available. Guys projected to go in the 2018 draft could end up waiting until next year, plus the top QBs will likely be long gone anyway

Of course. Some guys return to college for their senior years. There's also the possibility of an injury. And, there's the "trouble with the law" possibility. Et cetera. There are many factors, even in this draft (let alone a draft that is 14 months away); so there's no way of telling who will actually be available in the 2018 draft.

Plus, you are correct: the top tier guys will likely be gone by 32 ( :wink02: ).

Which is is why I'd be willing to possibly trade this year's R2 pick in order to have an extra R1 in next year's draft. Let's say that next year, we have the 18th pick. Trade that and the 32nd pick in order to move up to 11... and draft one of those top guys.

Or... stay put at 32, and nab the next Derek Carr.

Because, IMO, despite any of the aforementioned "possibilities", the likelihood of a franchise QB being found is greater in the top 40 picks (than after pick 41 and later), and more importantly, it's far more likely that a franchise QB comes out of the 2018 draft class than out of the 2017 draft class.

Psycho Ward 86
02-27-2017, 07:34 PM
As Mojouw said, you never know who is available. Guys projected to go in the 2018 draft could end up waiting until next year, plus the top QBs will likely be long gone anyway

Case in point Jake Locker. Anyone else remember when he decided to stay another year, he was supposed to be a surefire potential #1 overall pick? The following year he was drafted into the teens and that was considered an enormous reach

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
02-27-2017, 07:35 PM
I don't know what the issue is and since we was gifted a extra 3rd. Let Laundry go elsewhere and make Zach the 2 behind Ben and draft one in the 3rd 0r 4th to be our 3rd string and possible future QB.

teegre
02-27-2017, 07:52 PM
ROUND 1:
Big Ben
Flacco
Eli
Rivers
Cam
Smith
Rodgers
Cutler
Stafford
Mariota
Luck
Winston
Palmer
Matty Ice
Wentz
Goff

EARLY ROUND 2:
Brees
Carr
Dalton

ANOMOLIES:
Wilson R3
Dak R4
Brady R6

STILL LOOKING???:
Vikings???
Bills???
Dolphins???
Washington???
Jaguars???

STILL LOOKING!!!:
Browns
Jets
Texans
Broncos
Niners

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
02-27-2017, 08:00 PM
Jury is still out on someone of those number 1's and specially Goff. Again we was gifted a 3rd so taking a chance there or later is worth throwing a dart. Got to try soon. Not to mention will be a postion of need if we let Laundry walk. Which I would like and feel better with Zach as the 2.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
02-27-2017, 08:10 PM
Ps. most of the 1's you mentioned was high round picks and do you actually see us having a shot to take a QB in the early 1st next year ?

teegre
02-27-2017, 08:12 PM
Jury is still out on someone of those number 1's and specially Goff. Again we was gifted a 3rd so taking a chance there or later is worth throwing a dart. Got to try soon. Not to mention will be a postion of need if we let Laundry walk. Which I would like and feel better with Zach as the 2.

True... Goff is a huge question mark. Likewise, I didn't even list Bridgewater, Bortles, nor Tannehil (all first-rounders).

But, overwhelmingly, if you're gonna find a franchise QB, it happens before pick 40 ... and, that 2017 crop is not nearly as good as 2018's (possible) crop.

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Ps. most of the 1's you mentioned was high round picks and do you actually see us having a shot to take a QB in the early 1st next year ?

Bingo... which is why having two R1 picks would help us move up in the 2018 draft.

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
02-27-2017, 08:17 PM
True... Goff is a huge question mark. Likewise, I didn't even list Bridgewater, Bortles, nor Tannehil (all first-rounders).

But, overwhelmingly, if you're gonna find a franchise QB, it happens before pick 40 ... and, that 2017 crop is not nearly as good as 2018's (possible) crop.

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Bingo... which is why having two R1 picks would help us move up in the 2018 draft. Cool and now how do we get two first rd picks next year ? Trade our 2nd and 4th this year for a extra 1 next year ?

teegre
02-27-2017, 08:22 PM
Cool and now how do we get two first rd picks next year ? Trade our 2nd and 4th this year for a extra 1 next year ?

Yep...



Since we acquired an addition pick (105), I'd trade the 62nd pick for another team's R1 pick in 2018 (to use for acquiring one of those QBs).

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
02-27-2017, 08:26 PM
Yep... I'd be cool with that but like I said might cost us a 4th as well or at least a 5th.

teegre
02-27-2017, 09:15 PM
I'd be cool with that but like I said might cost us a 4th as well or at least a 5th.

The rule of thumb is:
RX this year = RX+1 next year

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
02-27-2017, 10:40 PM
The rule of thumb is:
RX this year = RX+1 next year So basically we will be offering our very late rd number 2 pick for some other teams 1 next year. I still think we have to throw in a decent rd pick next year to seal the deal. That said we are probably getting a late first rd pick from what team that bites on the deal. Then we will offer both our 1's next year to sniff the top ten for a QB. To a team not looking to draft one and are not sold on another position or player.

I'm for it but a lot of if's and think Ben only has two years left at most and could be done after this year. If that is the answer hope it works!

teegre
02-28-2017, 06:51 AM
Case in point Jake Locker. Anyone else remember when he decided to stay another year, he was supposed to be a surefire potential #1 overall pick? The following year he was drafted into the teens and that was considered an enormous reach

IMO, one of the most important stats in college football is completion percentage. If a QB can't consistently hit his WRs in college (where most of them are open by a yard or two), that QB will not make it in the NFL (where being open is a matter of inches).

As I said back then, Locker never surpassed the 60% completion rate (i.e. he'd struggle in the NFL).



On a related topic, that 2011 draft was very interesting. Of the first 16 picks, twelve became Pro Bowlers and one was pretty good... but, the other three were complete duds. Those three duds: Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, & Christian Ponder.

SUMMATION: QBs are a boom or bust situation; you have to evaluate them very carefully.

(NOTE: Andy Dalton & Colin Kaepernick were drafted in early R2... and, Tyrod Taylor wasn't drafted until R6.)

Born2Steel
02-28-2017, 07:50 AM
Not defending Locker or changing the subject, but Locker left the NFL due to concussions, not poor play. Unless you count poor OLine play.

I would be for making the trade if it meant getting our franchise QB of the next 10-15 years. I would actually give up more than that if that were the outcome. Nothing ventured, nothing gained? Plus, we're kind of playing with house money on this one.

teegre
02-28-2017, 08:46 AM
Not defending Locker or changing the subject, but Locker left the NFL due to concussions, not poor play. Unless you count poor OLine play.

I would be for making the trade if it meant getting our franchise QB of the next 10-15 years. I would actually give up more than that if that were the outcome. Nothing ventured, nothing gained? Plus, we're kind of playing with house money on this one.

Locker retired because of concussions. He was benched (in favor of Mettenberger) due to poor play.

Exactly!!! In this draft, I want an OLB and a CB... and every other pick is worth trading away for the chance to get our next QB. We have our WR, our RB, and a stellar O-line. After BB retires, it'd be a shame to watch all of that offensive talent go to waste with some pedestrian QB.

I would "like" some other players, but if the next two drafts netted a Pro Bowl OLB, a solid #2 CB, and a franchise QB... I'd be more than ecstatic.

Born2Steel
02-28-2017, 09:15 AM
Locker retired because of concussions. He was benched (in favor of Mettenberger) due to poor play.

Exactly!!! In this draft, I want an OLB and a CB... and every other pick is worth trading away for the chance to get our next QB. We have our WR, our RB, and a stellar O-line. After BB retires, it'd be a shame to watch all of that offensive talent go to waste with some pedestrian QB.

I would "like" some other players, but if the next two drafts netted a Pro Bowl OLB, a solid #2 CB, and a franchise QB... I'd be more than ecstatic.

Agreed. Lots of players in this draft that I "like". None more than making sure we have our QB position set. If a pedestrian QB could work, we wouldn't have been having the Landry Jones debate this entire off season. Speaking of Landry Jones, you think he can play CB or become a pass rush specialist?:tongue1:

teegre
03-01-2017, 02:10 PM
Rumor has it that...

At the NFL combine, GMs are trying to trade picks in next year's draft ... most likely, inorder to have trade-bait so that can move up for Sam Darnold.

Yep. :nod:

(My educated guess is that Cleveland is the team most heavily shopping their R1 pick in 2018... followed by the Jaguars.)