Art Rooney II: Martavis Bryant has 'tremendous potential'

[Shoes]

Sure hope Bryant can pull it all together!

Art Rooney II hasn't lost an ounce of faith in Martavis Bryant (http://247sports.com/Player/Martavis-Bryant-1450)'s physical ability entering the 2017 season.
The Steelers' president did say earlier this month that hopes that Bryant has the right mental game needed to bounce back in 2017 after being suspended for the entire 2016 season. Bryant applied for reinstatement back into the NFL earlier this month.
http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/Art-Rooney-II-Martavis-Bryant-has-tremendous-potential-51389861

[Lady Steel]

I agree, Shoes. We need him tremendously in the upcoming season. I'm holding onto hope he will come back better than ever.

[BlackAndGold]

He was missed this past season. I'm somewhat optimistic he'll be back.

This doesn't hurt
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[pczach]

I wish him nothing but the best as a person. Never playing this game again and all the money it will cost him and the ability to support his family is huge. I just hope he did everything he could to correct his problem, and stays on the right path for the rest of his life.

As a player, he is very explosive and really opens up the rest of the field for everyone else. Let's face it, the suspensions and injuries have hampered this team for a few years now. We are all dying to see what this offense is capable of if all the parts are in place.

These are big ifs....but AB, Bryant, Rogers, Wheaton?, a healthy Coates, Hamilton, and Ayers at WR. A healthy Green, Jesse James, and Grimble at TE. LeVeon Bell, Williams, and anybody at RB. A healthy and increasingly deep offensive line to allow Ben to implement of the weapons into the attack.

Wow, this offense is scary with all cylinders firing. We just need to see it come to reality this season.

[86WARD]

The Steelers need his head to be on straight...the offense needs him, AB needs him, Ben needs him...

[tube517]

I wish him nothing but the best as a person. Never playing this game again and all the money it will cost him and the ability to support his family is huge. I just hope he did everything he could to correct his problem, and stays on the right path for the rest of his life.

As a player, he is very explosive and really opens up the rest of the field for everyone else. Let's face it, the suspensions and injuries have hampered this team for a few years now. We are all dying to see what this offense is capable of if all the parts are in place.

These are big ifs....but AB, Bryant, Rogers, Wheaton?, a healthy Coates, Hamilton, and Ayers at WR. A healthy Green, Jesse James, and Grimble at TE. LeVeon Bell, Williams, and anybody at RB. A healthy and increasingly deep offensive line to allow Ben to implement of the weapons into the attack.

Wow, this offense is scary with all cylinders firing. We just need to see it come to reality this season.



I hope they all come back healthy. I'd love to see this offense at full strength.

[steelreserve]

Yeah, Bryant could be a big boost to the offense, but with all his issues and after a full year away from the game, it's a total dice roll all over again. Great if it works out, but I don't think we can count on it 100%.

I wouldn't be surprised if we used a mid-round pick at WR for the insurance. Wheaton is as good as gone (and Rogers is just as good a slot receiver anyway), Coates is useless, and despite my high hopes for DHB stepping up based on what he showed in 2015, he was not very impressive either, and there's an excellent chance that out of five guys, one gets injured for a good amount of time. So having a low-cost, high-potential guy waiting in the wings would not be a bad idea.

[ALLD]

Odds are against him. I think Rooney said something as a vote of confidence, but also saying it is a last chance. The world is full of talented people who self-destruct.

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[86WARD]

Odds are against him. I think Rooney said something as a vote of confidence, but also saying it is a last chance. The world is full of talented people who self-destruct.

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I agree. I highly doubt he'll finish his NFL career "clean" but I'm rooting for him...

[steel striker]

I'm pulling for the guy and, he is a game changing type of player.

[Mojouw]

I'm a sucker for people getting 2nd and 3rd chances. So that will make me want to root for him.

I will also root for him because I think his ceiling is basically prime Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson - you know when they couldn't be stopped. That'd be fun to watch.

[RunNGun]

I'm a sucker for people getting 2nd and 3rd chances. So that will make me want to root for him.

I will also root for him because I think his ceiling is basically prime Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson - you know when they couldn't be stopped. That'd be fun to watch.

Easy there. Bryant is very talented, but his ceiling will never come close to Moss or Johnson.

[Mojouw]

Easy there. Bryant is very talented, but his ceiling will never come close to Moss or Johnson.

I realize it is a best case scenario. Sobriety and availability are the first steps. Likely not Johnson because Bryant will never be that strong but I do see Moss as his absolute ceiling.


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[Shoes]

I realize it is a best case scenario. Sobriety and availability are the first steps. Likely not Johnson because Bryant will never be that strong but I do see Moss as his absolute ceiling.


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Well with the added 20 pounds of muscle he's off to a good start! I think he's going to be ok, for his mother, son and daughters sake. No doubt he had a lot of time for reflection this past year, I remember his mother saying “He wants to be a better man than his father was,” Roberta (his mother) said. “His father was never there. [Martavis] wants to be that guy.” I wish him all success!

[lipps83]

Easy there. Bryant is very talented, but his ceiling will never come close to Moss or Johnson.

He has already hit the Moss comparison though at a national level (most TD's in so few games tied with only Moss). He just can't keep himself clean. That's his only problem. Not his talent (minus hands, but I will take those drops any day because the talent that comes with it is immense).

[teegre]

"A player's most important ability is availability."
--Bill Parcells

[Psycho Ward 86]

Dumb prediction: Martavis Bryant makes the pro bowl if reinstated

[Craic]

Dumb prediction: Martavis Bryant makes the pro bowl if reinstated

With the talent, the supposedly new work ethic, and the way he's focused now, I don't think that's such a dumb prediction at all.

[Shoes]

With the talent, the supposedly new work ethic, and the way he's focused now, I don't think that's such a dumb prediction at all.


Agreed! Add to that he and his wife/girl friend are having their first son shortly. Three kids, he'll be focused!

[zulater]

I didn't read the link on the OP so this may already been covered. But in games where Martavis plays a high quantity of snaps the Steelers average over 6 points more per game than they do without him. Coincidence? I don't think so. In my opinion this guy balances out the offense perfectly. I hope he comes back at least the player he was and without the baggage!

[lipps83]

I didn't read the link on the OP so this may already been covered. But in games where Martavis plays a high quantity of snaps the Steelers average over 6 points more per game than they do without him. Coincidence? I don't think so. In my opinion this guy balances out the offense perfectly. I hope he comes back at least the player he was and without the baggage!

With Bryant this offense is lights out.

Without him, about above average.

If you remember, this offense wasn't really considered to be that good until Bryant showed up for that Texans game. He showed up and then Ben threw 6 TD's two games in a row after that. It took a couple games for defenses to figure out an approach to the new 4-headed monster.

[BlackAndGold]

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[Shoes]

Martavis Bryant set to meet with NFL by March 13

Martavis Bryant (http://247sports.com/Player/Martavis-Bryant-1450) is set to meet with the NFL and the league's Players Association-appointed medical advisor and medical director on March 13, as Bryant continues to seek eligibility for the 2017 season.
Once the interview has concluded, per Jacob Klinger (http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/01/martavis_bryant_applies_back.html) of PennLive.com, the advisor and director will meet with Goodell to either recommend Bryant's reinstatement or to tell Goodell to uphold his suspension.

http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/Martavis-Bryant-set-to-meet-with-NFL-by-March-13-51666179

[GBMelBlount]

I'm a sucker for people getting 2nd and 3rd chances. So that will make me want to root for him.

I will also root for him because I think his ceiling is basically prime Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson - you know when they couldn't be stopped. That'd be fun to watch.

Likewise on all counts.

I think Bryant playing (and healthy) may be the biggest factor with regard to whether we go to the super bowl or not this year.

[Iron Steeler]

Likewise on all counts.

I think Bryant playing (and healthy) may be the biggest factor with regard to whether we go to the super bowl or not this year.

I got a feeling he is ready to take it seriously. Check out his Instagram account. He is working out like James Harrison, he looks like he packed on muscle and speed drills all day.

[Shoes]

Martavis Bryant (http://247sports.com/Player/Martavis-Bryant-1450) is set to meet with the NFL and the league's Players Association-appointed medical advisor and medical director on March 13, as Bryant continues to seek eligibility for the 2017 season.
Once the interview has concluded, per Jacob Klinger (http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/01/martavis_bryant_applies_back.html) of PennLive.com, the advisor and director will meet with Goodell to either recommend Bryant's reinstatement or to tell Goodell to uphold his suspension.
Goodell must make a decision on Bryant's reinstatement by March 28, as Pittsburgh's receiver has to meet with Goodell by this date and agree to whatever terms of reinstatement Goodell imposes if Bryant is to have his suspension lifted.
The Pittsburgh Steelers had a great season and will be even stronger in 2017! Stay in the loop and sign up for our FREE Steelers newsletter! (http://pit.247sports.com/Distribution/signup/)
The next big date for Bryant -- assuming his is reinstated by Goodell -- is April 17, the Steelers' first day of voluntary offseason workouts. According to Klinger, Steelers substance abuse physician would "Have to give Bryant a physical and clear him before he could participate in contact drills, which don't begin until training camp in July. That physical does not include a drug test."

http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/Martavis-Bryant-set-to-meet-with-NFL-by-March-13-51666179

[AtlantaDan]

Martavis Bryant (http://247sports.com/Player/Martavis-Bryant-1450) is set to meet with the NFL and the league's Players Association-appointed medical advisor and medical director on March 13, as Bryant continues to seek eligibility for the 2017 season.
Once the interview has concluded, per Jacob Klinger (http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/01/martavis_bryant_applies_back.html) of PennLive.com, the advisor and director will meet with Goodell to either recommend Bryant's reinstatement or to tell Goodell to uphold his suspension.
Goodell must make a decision on Bryant's reinstatement by March 28, as Pittsburgh's receiver has to meet with Goodell by this date and agree to whatever terms of reinstatement Goodell imposes if Bryant is to have his suspension lifted.
The Pittsburgh Steelers had a great season and will be even stronger in 2017! Stay in the loop and sign up for our FREE Steelers newsletter! (http://pit.247sports.com/Distribution/signup/)
The next big date for Bryant -- assuming his is reinstated by Goodell -- is April 17, the Steelers' first day of voluntary offseason workouts. According to Klinger, Steelers substance abuse physician would "Have to give Bryant a physical and clear him before he could participate in contact drills, which don't begin until training camp in July. That physical does not include a drug test."

http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/Martavis-Bryant-set-to-meet-with-NFL-by-March-13-51666179

What is important is to establish credibility and sincerity during the reinstatement interview - dressing properly can help establish that bond

https://s3.amazonaws.com/teeshirtpalace-production/spree/images/402882484-BLACK-AS/large/402882484-BLACK-AS.jpg?1488646297

[tube517]

What is important is to establish credibility and sincerity during the reinstatement interview - dressing properly can help establish that bond

https://s3.amazonaws.com/teeshirtpalace-production/spree/images/402882484-BLACK-AS/large/402882484-BLACK-AS.jpg?1488646297

:chuckle:

Approprite only if his meeting w/Goodhell is on April 20th???

[Shoes]

Wow, Bryant @230lbs!

If Bryant comes back stronger than ever, there's no NFL defense that will be able to stop the Pittsburgh Steelers offense in 2017. Along with Big Ben and Brown, the team still has Bell, who led the NFL with 157 all-purpose yards per game in 2016. They also have the best offensive line in football, a line that allowed just one sack during the 2016 postseason. They also have emerging pass catchers in Rodgers, Hamilton, Sammie Coates (http://247sports.com/Player/Sammie-Coates-487) and Jesse James (http://247sports.com/Player/Jesse-James-10100). And if Ladarius Green (http://247sports.com/Player/LaDarius-Green-56300) can return to form after showing flashes of his ability before suffering a season-ending head injury last season, this could easily become the most prolific offense in team history.
http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/Steelers-need-Martavis-Bryant-now-more-than-ever-51663282

[Shoes]

Bryant is correct, big difference after the catch.

Martavis Bryant fires back at Justin Hunter comparisons
Martavis Bryant (http://247sports.com/Player/Martavis-Bryant-1450) is waiting on reinstatement from the NFL, but he has taken notice of a recent free agent signing the Pittsburgh Steelers have made.The Steelers signed wide receiver Justin Hunter (http://247sports.com/Player/Justin-Hunter-1125) earlier this week, who is similar in physical measurables, but Bryant wants to make it known that he is the better player.


http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/Martavis-Bryant-fires-back-at-Justin-Hunter-comparisons-51789136

[AtlantaDan]

Bryant is correct, big difference after the catch.

Martavis Bryant fires back at Justin Hunter comparisons
Martavis Bryant (http://247sports.com/Player/Martavis-Bryant-1450) is waiting on reinstatement from the NFL, but he has taken notice of a recent free agent signing the Pittsburgh Steelers have made.The Steelers signed wide receiver Justin Hunter (http://247sports.com/Player/Justin-Hunter-1125) earlier this week, who is similar in physical measurables, but Bryant wants to make it known that he is the better player.


http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/Martavis-Bryant-fires-back-at-Justin-Hunter-comparisons-51789136




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No film of you to check since January 2016 Martavis

How about you get reinstated and do something before being outraged the Steelers are buying insurance for when they presume you will fail another test

[Dwinsgames]

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No film of you to check since January 2016 Martavis

How about you get reinstated and do something before being outraged the Steelers are buying insurance for when they presume you will fail another test


Hunter hasnt been on the team half a day yet and already Martavis seems a little upset .... hopefully he uses it as motivation to be ready for camp in game shape with a clean piss test in hand

at the same time he better be careful to not escalate this or anything else as the ice he is skating on is pretty thin

[Shoes]

There is plenty to motivate him. He's a husband, soon to be the father of three, witnessed how you can be rewarded for hard work (AB), and beat out Hunter at WR......hopefully the battle will be between Hunter & Coates. He needs to take the bull by the horns.

[Dwinsgames]

There is plenty to motivate him. He's a husband, soon to be the father of three, witnessed how you can be rewarded for hard work (AB), and beat out Hunter at WR......hopefully the battle will be between Hunter & Coates. He needs to take the bull by the horns.

I am in hopes its between Hunter and DHB .... DHB 10 games 6 catches 114 yards 30 years old , severe foot injury last year most likely making more $ than Hunters 1 year prove it deal .....

[Shoes]

I am in hopes its between Hunter and DHB .... DHB 10 games 6 catches 114 yards 30 years old , severe foot injury last year most likely making more $ than Hunters 1 year prove it deal .....

Could be, DHB has been good on ST but his wick is getting short.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Knee jerk reactions make me laugh. To believe that a 1 year signing at a thrift store price is insurance for a potential perennial pro bowler is delusional. Thats the kind of move only the patriots are able to consistently pull off.


Reading on the bills forums, the consensus seems to be that Justin Hunter is one hell of a quitter. Good thing were not counting on him like some people assume

[Dwinsgames]

Knee jerk reactions make me laugh. To believe that a 1 year signing at a thrift store price is insurance for a potential perennial pro bowler is delusional. Thats the kind of move only the patriots are able to consistently pull off

we do Have Richard Mann so +1 on that front

[AtlantaDan]

Knee jerk reactions make me laugh. To believe that a 1 year signing at a thrift store price is insurance for a potential perennial pro bowler is delusional. Thats the kind of move only the patriots are able to consistently pull off.

Reading on the bills forums, the consensus seems to be that Justin Hunter is one hell of a quitter. Good thing were not counting on him like some people assume

Nobody contends Hunter is the equal of Bryant when Bryant can stay on the field. My knee jerk reaction is that he was signed in the event the Steelers lose Bryant to another failed drug test and Coates continues his downward slide. That is not counting on him to beat out Bryant in training camp, it is to address the not wildly unlikely possibility Bryant gets suspended again while Coates continues to channel the ghost of Limas Sweed.

Since my previous post was regarded as both a knee jerk reaction and delusional, let me spell it out. Insurance is a form of risk management to hedge against a contingent loss. The insurance does not always make you whole for the entire loss, for reasons including a high deductible or a cap on coverage. For example, when you are a mid-30s young parent and buy a $500,000 term life insurance policy, that probably is not going to replace the present value of your entire future earnings that will be lost due to your early demise. But it provides some coverage at a cost you are willing to pay that will provide some cushion as an alternative to destitution for your survivors.

Ed B. of the P-G said yesterday the Steelers are not counting on Bryant or Coates, which means they presumably are looking for a taller receiver to play opposite Brown and Rogers as a fallback to having no alternatives if both Bryant and Coates (for different reasons) flame out in 2017. My guess is they may engage in further risk management by drafting another receiver. In all likelihood, that will not result in as good a receiver at that position but will provide another option, which is preferable to no options.

Why do you think they signed Hunter?

:drink:

[teegre]

842099700513755136

No film of you to check since January 2016 Martavis


Well, that certainly was a warm welcome to Justin Hunter.

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Hunter hasnt been on the team half a day yet and already Martavis seems a little upset

Bingo!!!

[Psycho Ward 86]

842099700513755136

No film of you to check since January 2016 Martavis

How about you get reinstated and do something before being outraged the Steelers are buying insurance for when they presume you will fail another test

he aint wrong

[BlackAndGold]

Bryant's response is why I'm so optimist about him returning, and finally keeping his head straight. He seems ready to shut up the doubters.

A motivated Bryant is scary.

[teegre]

he aint wrong



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGWuOAgU7jI&app=desktop

Bryant isn't wrong... he's just an asshole.

[Hawkman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGWuOAgU7jI&app=desktop

Bryant isn't wrong... he's just an asshole.

That's funny right there! Gotta love the Coen brothers.

[pczach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGWuOAgU7jI&app=desktop

Bryant isn't wrong... he's just an asshole.


He's just another guy who has a shitload of God-given talent, who created all his own problems and put himself exactly where he is right now.

Now that he is exactly where he is because of his own actions, he lashes out in anger at anyone that doubts him or doesn't trust him....including the people that he let down in the first place.

Even though he knows he screwed up, everyone is just supposed to put their world and their lives on hold for his triumphant return because he's Martavis Bryant.

Instead of showing everyone how important it is to him that he has beaten his problem and solved his issues and coming in with the attitude that he is sorry for letting the organization, his teammates, and his family down and quietly balling his ass off on the field.....he has elected to demonstrate that he hasn't matured much during his suspension.

That's something that will make everyone doubt him even more.

So let's review.

He let his family down.
He let himself down.
He let the ownership and management down.
He let his teammates down and he has alienated a new teammate by trashing Hunter when the only reason Hunter is there is because of his screw up.

Did I miss anything?

[teegre]

He's just another guy who has a shitload of God-given talent, who created all his own problems and put himself exactly where he is right now.

Now that he is exactly where he is because of his own actions, he lashes out in anger at anyone that doubts him or doesn't trust him....including the people that he let down in the first place.

Even though he knows he screwed up, everyone is just supposed to put their world and their lives on hold for his triumphant return because he's Martavis Bryant.

Instead of showing everyone how important it is to him that he has beaten his problem and solved his issues and coming in with the attitude that he is sorry for letting the organization, his teammates, and his family down and quietly balling his ass off on the field.....he has elected to demonstrate that he hasn't matured much during his suspension.

That's something that will make everyone doubt him even more.

So let's review.

He let his family down.
He let himself down.
He let the ownership and management down.
He let his teammates down and he has alienated a new teammate by trashing Hunter when the only reason Hunter is there is because of his screw up.

Did I miss anything?

In a word "ownership"... or, lack thereof.

PREDICTION:
Bryant returns to form and has a monster season (18 TDs). Coates remembers how to catch. And, Hunter finally lives up to his unfulfilled potential. Add in the quintessential AB season (1400 yards)...

...and voila!!! Crash dies from ejacualting continuously for twenty weeks in a row.

[pczach]

In a word "ownership"... or, lack thereof.

PREDICTION:
Bryant returns to form and has a monster season (18 TDs). Coates remembers how to catch. And, Hunter finally lives up to his unfulfilled potential. Add in the quintessential AB season (1400 yards)...

...and voila!!! Crash dies from ejacualting continuously for twenty weeks in a row.


I like what you're saying but I'm getting disturbing mental images of the last part of your scenario.

[Born2Steel]

I keep seeing the 'Crypt Keeper' in my mind.

[Hawkman]

I like what you're saying but I'm getting disturbing mental images of the last part of your scenario.

Yeah, he could probably have left that last part off.:rofl2:

[Bluecoat96]

In a word "ownership"... or, lack thereof.

PREDICTION:
Bryant returns to form and has a monster season (18 TDs). Coates remembers how to catch. And, Hunter finally lives up to his unfulfilled potential. Add in the quintessential AB season (1400 yards)...

...and voila!!! Crash dies from ejacualting continuously for twenty weeks in a row.
You sir win the Internet this evening.

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[Shoes]

Martavis Bryant certainly has a lot of question marks coming into this season, even if there is a season, which will be up to the league. But one thing is for sure. Bryant is working harder to train this offseason than he ever has before.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/03/martavis-bryant-shows-off-workout-routine-on-instagram/

[Born2Steel]

As a Steelers fan, I have very high hopes Bryant gets it all together and puts together a HoF career here. AB is already on his way to achieving that. Hunter can come in and be redzone help, which was what we talked about with Marshall. Put that together with Bell, Williams, and Rogers, we should still move fairly freely between the 20s. Bryant becoming a beast is what puts us into the endzone more often.

[AtlantaDan]

Martavis Bryant certainly has a lot of question marks coming into this season, even if there is a season, which will be up to the league. But one thing is for sure. Bryant is working harder to train this offseason than he ever has before.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/03/martavis-bryant-shows-off-workout-routine-on-instagram/

Could be the training - could be not having the muchies after getting baked

[Hawkman]

Shouldn't we know soon what Bryant's future holds?

[Psycho Ward 86]

Shouldn't we know soon what Bryant's future holds?

6 more days! March 28th is the latest Goodell can make a decision

[Mojouw]

Yeah. Like Goodell ever follows his own rules.


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[BurghBoy412]

6 more days! March 28th is the latest Goodell can make a decision

I have a feeling he's gonna wait every last second he can to make that decision.

[86WARD]

Has Bryant met with the medical advisors yet? That was supposed to take place by the 13th of March...I thought...

[BurghBoy412]

http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/Martavis-Bryant-shows-off-new-build-on-Instagram-51325023

Check this out! Dude looks focused!

[Psycho Ward 86]

Yeah. Like Goodell ever follows his own rules.


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ugh, dont crush my hopes and dreams :lol:

[Shoes]

NFL exec: Bryant returning would be '3-run HR' of the offseason

Getting Martavis Bryant back would be the Steelers' biggest acquisition of the offseason, according to an NFL executive.

Martavis Bryant (http://247sports.com/Player/Martavis-Bryant-1450) certainly has the respect of outside executives on other NFL teams.
According to ESPN, one NFL executive not associated with the Steelers said that Bryant being reinstated by Roger Goodell would be Pittsburgh's greatest acquisition entering the draft. Bryant is still waiting to hear if the league has accepted his reinstatement application after serving his year-long suspension that wiped out his 2016 season.
"That is the three-run homer of the offseason if Bryant can get cleared and return to that offense," he said (http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/18960308/nfl-executives-unfiltered-every-team-free-agency-moves-2017-offseason). "He is what that offense has been missing."
http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/NFL-exec-Bryant-returning-would-be-3-run-HR-of-the-offseason-51945771


On a side note, Congrats to Bryant & his wife on the birth of their son yesterday.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Repost from Steelers Depot:

"Recidivism rate for players receiving 2 suspensions under substance abuse policy
This sample includes 21 players, of which Josh Gordon is actually the success story. He managed to play five games following his second substance abuse-related suspension. Nobody else managed more than one. Of these 21 players,17 (81 percent) never played again."

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/70440/446/how-to-value-suspensions?pg=2

suddenly i feel less optimistic about Bryant and more warm to the idea of an early round WR

[Born2Steel]

Repost from Steelers Depot:

"Recidivism rate for players receiving 2 suspensions under substance abuse policy
This sample includes 21 players, of which Josh Gordon is actually the success story. He managed to play five games following his second substance abuse-related suspension. Nobody else managed more than one. Of these 21 players,17 (81 percent) never played again."

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/70440/446/how-to-value-suspensions?pg=2

suddenly i feel less optimistic about Bryant and more warm to the idea of an early round WR

An early WR AND an early RB.

[Shoes]

I think Bryant will get the green light from the NFL. Martavis has a lot to play for, a wife and three kids, its his choice what he loves most pot or them.

[Born2Steel]

I think Bryant will get the green light from the NFL. Martavis has a lot to play for, a wife and three kids, its his choice what he loves most pot or them.

I agree. But with the stats in the article showing the truth about players with substance abuse issues, I wouldn't put a lot of faith in Bryant staying clean and on the field. Hope, yes. Faith, no.

[Mojouw]

I get that the #'s work out the way the article says, but it doesn't really look at context.

Alcoholism is an addiction.

Mental health issues are a serious medical situation.

Smoking a bunch of dope is a choice.

How much of the recidivism is due to poor or incomplete treatment of an underlying addiction or mental health issue and how many were because dudes liked being high and made bad decisions?

[Born2Steel]

I get that the #'s work out the way the article says, but it doesn't really look at context.

Alcoholism is an addiction.

Mental health issues are a serious medical situation.

Smoking a bunch of dope is a choice.

How much of the recidivism is due to poor or incomplete treatment of an underlying addiction or mental health issue and how many were because dudes liked being high and made bad decisions?

My thing is, what's the difference? Whatever the reason they aren't on the field. Is there a stat that shows treatment success for getting NFL substance abusing players off the stuff? Those players aren't getting suspended for ADHD or BiPolar disorders or poor endzone dance moves. Pot may not have addictive properties, but some players seem to have a problem putting it down. The article just shows what has happened with these players. It goes on to show that players that get a 2nd/3rd suspension are much more likely to continue to have issues with it. Whatever the cause is, the result is no football.

[FrancoLambert]

Memo to Martavis: throw away the bong and start drinking. The NFL is OK with it. :drink:

[Mojouw]

My thing is, what's the difference? Whatever the reason they aren't on the field. Is there a stat that shows treatment success for getting NFL substance abusing players off the stuff? Those players aren't getting suspended for ADHD or BiPolar disorders or poor endzone dance moves. Pot may not have addictive properties, but some players seem to have a problem putting it down. The article just shows what has happened with these players. It goes on to show that players that get a 2nd/3rd suspension are much more likely to continue to have issues with it. Whatever the cause is, the result is no football.

I know plenty of people who had problematic relationships with substances in their youth. Many, when faced with consequences, changed their habits and went on to great success. A few, failed to get help for the underlying medical, mental, and addiction issues that were the root cause of their issues.

THe question is how many of the players in the articles #'s are from which category? For instance, Jamarcus Russell talks about how he was an undiagnosed, untreated, and barely functional alcoholic while he bounced around the league.

[Born2Steel]

Why can't these guys just get a script for the medical variety if they need it for pain or coping issues? Get the benefit without flagging the tests.

[Shoes]

I know plenty of people who had problematic relationships with substances in their youth. Many, when faced with consequences, changed their habits and went on to great success. A few, failed to get help for the underlying medical, mental, and addiction issues that were the root cause of their issues.

THe question is how many of the players in the articles #'s are from which category? For instance, Jamarcus Russell talks about how he was an undiagnosed, untreated, and barely functional alcoholic while he bounced around the league.

Agreed.

[teegre]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXCy2UN1zVs&app=desktop

[Born2Steel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXCy2UN1zVs&app=desktop


I guess I know what movie I'll be watching tomorrow.

[Shoes]

Bryant in NY

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/04/martavis-bryant-new-york-says-big-day-thursday/

[86WARD]

Well...what happened in NY??

[Shoes]

Well...what happened in NY??


This
http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/26935-Report-Martavis-Bryant-Told-He-Needs-Relapse-Prevention-Plan-Before-Reinstatement

[Six Rings]

When Bryant plays, the Steelers average nearly a touchdown more in total points. That's huge.

Bryant has Randy Moss type of talent, and is the best deep threat in the NFL.

I just hope he values football over the pot.