Progress, Opportunity Gave Rise To Chris Hubbard And The Tackle-Eligible In 2016

[polamalubeast]

Would you believe me if I told you that Chris Hubbard played over 300 snaps in one of the best seasons the Pittsburgh Steelers’ offensive line has ever had? Because he did. According to our charting numbers, he logged 331 snaps, including penalties, 208 of which came at right tackle. He even played four snaps at center.

But the rest of his 119 snaps came with the Steelers utilizing him as a tackle-eligible at tight end, something that they had not been doing at the start of the season, though he did play that role last year. They hardly used an extra lineman at the start of the year, and when they did, it was Ryan Harris, before he was injured.


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The Steelers logged 484 snaps on offense during their winning streak, and they used Hubbard as an extra lineman on 113 of them, which equates to not far from a quarter of their total snaps. If you consider that they hardly used the formation in the meaningless regular-season finale, his workload is even more impressive.

Like it or not—most by this point don’t seem to mind—the Steelers’ adoption of the extra lineman did coincide with some of their best football of the year, with Hubbard going his job capably in filling that role as the additional blocker—though he did even run a route or two.



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[pczach]

Would you believe me if I told you that Chris Hubbard played over 300 snaps in one of the best seasons the Pittsburgh Steelers’ offensive line has ever had? Because he did. According to our charting numbers, he logged 331 snaps, including penalties, 208 of which came at right tackle. He even played four snaps at center.

But the rest of his 119 snaps came with the Steelers utilizing him as a tackle-eligible at tight end, something that they had not been doing at the start of the season, though he did play that role last year. They hardly used an extra lineman at the start of the year, and when they did, it was Ryan Harris, before he was injured.


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The Steelers logged 484 snaps on offense during their winning streak, and they used Hubbard as an extra lineman on 113 of them, which equates to not far from a quarter of their total snaps. If you consider that they hardly used the formation in the meaningless regular-season finale, his workload is even more impressive.

Like it or not—most by this point don’t seem to mind—the Steelers’ adoption of the extra lineman did coincide with some of their best football of the year, with Hubbard going his job capably in filling that role as the additional blocker—though he did even run a route or two.



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So you're saying that you don't have to run 5 WR sets to be successful offensively?

Huh......imagine that.

[DesertSteel]

What's his contract status?

[#CRASHFormation]

What were the results? Because everyone saw in a must win week 16 game Ben threw a pick with Hubbard on the field, which I specifically said a WEEK BEFORE that game they shouldn't use that formation against the Ravens.

What was Bell's runs results?


If you consider that they hardly used the formation in the meaningless regular-season finale, his workload is even more impressive.

And Landy Jones actually looked like an NFL QB last week.

[tube517]

What's his contract status?

RFA after this year

[DesertSteel]

Pay the man!

[polamalubeast]

I would love to see the stats of Roethlisberger and Bell when Hubbard and/or Nix are on the field.

[#CRASHFormation]

Btw how did that formation look last week when they were on their own 1 yard line?

Ben also is very limited as to what he can audible to with that formation.

Call it what it is, a useless, cute trick formation that Todd Haley wants to run.

Only time I want to see it? Is in the 4th quarter of a blowout win with Landry Jones handing the ball off.

Other than that? Using that formation in meaningful playing time is pressing your luck.

[st33lersguy]

It must have been a bad idea because Crashformation the football genius says so :rolleyes:

[#CRASHFormation]

It must have been a bad idea because Crashformation the football genius says so :rolleyes:

No, Ben's pick in Buffalo says it's a bad formation.

No, Ben's dropped pick in Cincy a week later says it's a bad formation.

No, Ben's pick vs. the Ravens says it's a bad formation.

You want Ben to "get the ball out faster" but the genius takes the speed off the field.

Just dumb, unnecessary, Todd Haley trickster bullshit.

People on this forum need to decide what matters more to them:

A) Steelers winning Super Bowls.

or

B) Todd Haley being employed here.

Because as sad as it sounds? There ARE people in the cyber world who value option B more than A.

[pczach]

Btw how did that formation look last week when they were on their own 1 yard line?

Ben also is very limited as to what he can audible to with that formation.

Call it what it is, a useless, cute trick formation that Todd Haley wants to run.

Only time I want to see it? Is in the 4th quarter of a blowout win with Landry Jones handing the ball off.

Other than that? Using that formation in meaningful playing time is pressing your luck.


There's nothing cute about it.

They are putting in an additional tackle to create a power formation that is designed at it's core to run the football. You then have to be able to run other plays, including pass plays, out of this formation so that 11 men don't walk into the box to stop the run. It's the way offensive formations are used. You use formations to dictate terms and personnel, and to create matchups. Once you establish what you want to do out of that formation, in this case running the ball, you then hope you can call pass plays off of that formation to surprise the defense and get chunk plays.

That's how football works.

[#CRASHFormation]

They are putting in an additional tackle to create a power formation that is designed at it's core to run the football.

Steelers had a 2nd and 5 in Buffalo, one of the worst run defenses in football.

Stopped twice, then we took points off the board, then tried to throw out of that formation.

Ben picked off.

Not hard to stop, when you know what's coming.

[polamalubeast]

Steelers had a 2nd and 5 in Buffalo, one of the worst run defenses in football.

Stopped twice, then we took points off the board, then tried to throw out of that formation.

Ben picked off.

Not hard to stop, when you know what's coming.


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Maybe it was Ben's fault on that?

I mean, Bell had a career day with this formation in Buffalo.


You only say the plays than you want to prove your point, but this year Ben was better with the 2 TE formation than with 3 WR,TE and 1 RB formation.

[pczach]

Steelers had a 2nd and 5 in Buffalo, one of the worst run defenses in football.

Stopped twice, then we took points off the board, then tried to throw out of that formation.

Ben picked off.

Not hard to stop, when you know what's coming.


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There you go again. Picking out a single play or a few plays to try to make a point while ignoring all the other plays. I just told you about this very think in another thread a few minutes ago. You just can't help yourself.

[#CRASHFormation]

I mean, Bell had a career day with this formation in Buffalo.

And yet, despite this "career day" against one of the worst defenses in football, the Bills still had a chance to tie if they recover a kick.


You only say the plays than you want to prove your point, but this year Ben was better with the 2 TE formation than with 3 WR,TE and 1 RB formation.

Context.

How did the #1 rated defense do when Ben, AB, and a collection of castoffs took over in the 4th quarter down 10 points?

No subbing, just Ben, Bell, and his wides.

Saved their season.

Chris Hubbard got one snap against Dallas.

30 points.

Chris Hubbard got ZERO snaps against Washington, without Bell.

38 points.

Chris Hubbard got five snaps against the Chiefs.

43 points.


That formation is nothing more than Todd Haley once again trying to show everyone how smart he is.

Btw, Nix was nowhere to be found in those situations above either.


Toddy just needs to keep the talent on the field, and shove his ego up his own ass.

[polamalubeast]

And yet, despite this "career day" against one of the worst defenses in football, the Bills still had a chance to tie if they recover a kick.



Context.

How did the #1 rated defense do when Ben, AB, and a collection of castoffs took over in the 4th quarter down 10 points?

No subbing, just Ben, Bell, and his wides.

Saved their season.

Chris Hubbard got one snap against Dallas.

30 points.

Chris Hubbard got ZERO snaps against Washington, without Bell.

38 points.

Chris Hubbard got five snaps against the Chiefs.

43 points.


That formation is nothing more than Todd Haley once again trying to show everyone how smart he is.







The Steelers won despite one of the worst games in Roethlisberger's career and the game was not close before the 2 garbage time TD by Buffalo at the end.

Hubbard is used almost 25% of the time by Haley in the last 7 games and the steelers had 7-0 and Bell had at least 100 rushings yards in 5 of his 6 games.

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Context.

How did the #1 rated defense do when Ben, AB, and a collection of castoffs took over in the 4th quarter down 10 points?


Hubbard was not used as TE against the eagles

3 points

Same thing against Miami

15 points

[#CRASHFormation]

The Steelers won despite one of the worst games in Roethlisberger's career

That happens when you constantly disrupt the flow of your own offense by constantly changing the parts.


Hubbard is used almost 25% of the time by Haley in the last 7 games and the steelers had 7-0 and Bell had at least 100 rushings yards in 5 of his 6 games.

Toddy mixed and matched for 45 minutes against the Ravens, the offense sucked ass.

Until he was forced to leave his pets on the bench. Then #7, #26, and the wides saved their season.

Where was Hubbard last week?

How did Jones look?

7-0 with Hubbard's "increased workload"

But they've only scored 30+ in a game ONCE, and that was with him on the bench for the last 21 points of the game.

They scored 30+ four times without him.

The defense as the season goes along has improved, while the offense has been mixing and matching and not being consistent.

Best thing that happened to the Steelers this year? Was they got down 10 points and had enough time left in week 16.

Because it took Toddy's tricks off the field, and left the speed on it.

[polamalubeast]

That happens when you constantly disrupt the flow of your own offense by constantly changing the parts.



[/COLOR]Toddy mixed and matched for 45 minutes against the Ravens, the offense sucked ass.

Until he was forced to leave his pets on the bench. Then #7, #26, and the wides saved their season.

Where was Hubbard last week?

How did Jones look?

7-0 with Hubbard's "increased workload"

But they've only scored 30+ in a game ONCE, and that was with him on the bench for the last 21 points of the game.

They scored 30+ four times without him.

The defense as the season goes along has improved, while the offense has been mixing and matching and not being consistent.

Best thing that happened to the Steelers this year? Was they got down 10 points and had enough time left in week 16.

Because it took Toddy's tricks off the field, and left the speed on it.









You give credit to our defense for the succes in the last 7 games but not when the steelers were at the super bowl 3 times in 6 years between 2005 to 2010.


Surely that Bell has nothing to do with our success recently, although he had five games with at least 100 yards in his last 6 games.

[86WARD]

Maybe it was Ben's fault on that?

I mean, Bell had a career day with this formation in Buffalo.


You only say the plays than you want to prove your point, but this year Ben was better with the 2 TE formation than with 3 WR,TE and 1 RB formation.

What are you some kind of moron?!? It's Hubbard fault...lol. You can't go disguise a pass play with a run formation. That's just idiotic.

:popcorn:

[#CRASHFormation]

What are you some kind of moron?!? It's Hubbard fault...lol. You can't go disguise a pass play with a run formation.

A run formation that also had the best motherfucking receiver in the NFL off the field too.

If Bruce Arians runs the same play, with the same result? You people would blast him.

It's sad, Todd Haley's employment, even with the lack of success that comes with it, matters MORE to you than just playing good sound football.

[polamalubeast]

A run formation that also had the best motherfucking receiver in the NFL off the field too.

If Bruce Arians runs the same play, with the same result? You people would blast him.

It's sad, Todd Haley's employment, even with the lack of success that comes with it, matters MORE to you than just playing good sound football.


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Antonio Brown has played almost every snap since 2013 .....

[#CRASHFormation]

You give credit to our defense for the succes in the last 7 games but not when the steelers were at the super bowl 3 times in 6 years between 2005 to 2010.


Surely that Bell has nothing to do with our success recently, although he had five games with at least 100 yards in his last 6 games.

I said the offense has lacked consistency since Haley's pets #45, #82, #and #74 have begun playing MORE since the Cowboys game.

By all means. One 30 point game would support that? No?

Chris Hubbard had 6 snaps last week, Landry freaking Jones led a 27 point offense WITHOUT BELL OR AB.

In Cleveland, Hubbard had 12 snaps DOUBLE), WITH BEN, WITH BELL, WITH AB, and they scored 17.

The offense had 69 snaps in both games.

They don't need Chris Hubbard as a 3rd TE. If Haley insists on his two TE sets use James/Grimble if Green can't go.

That at least makes some sense. They can at least run.

But nail Chris Hubbard to the bench unless #78 or #77 get hurt.

That's another thing. Hubbard is the backup for BOTH tackles.

Which is another reason that BS formation should stop.

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Antonio Brown has played almost every snap since 2013 .....

Lovely.

Still hasn't stopped Haley from removing him in key moments to run his bullshit tricks.

It's why we missed the playoffs in 2013. It's why we didn't win the division last season.

[polamalubeast]

Still hasn't stopped Haley from removing him in key moments to run his bullshit tricks.

It's why we missed the playoffs in 2013. It's why we didn't win the division last season.


Our 0-4 start in 2013 is the reason why the steelers missed the playoffs.

Last year, the steelers started the season 4-4 and one of the reasons was due to the Roethlisberger's injury and during that time the bengals were 8-0.The steelers had very little chance of winning the division in 2015 due to its two factors.

[#CRASHFormation]

Our 0-4 start in 2013 is the reason why the steelers missed the playoffs.

Bullshit, they beat the Ravens in Baltimore they make the playoffs.

Biggest 3rd down of the year, Bell gets hurt the play before so what does Toddy do?

He takes Antonio Brown off the field, so he can run a designed pass play to Will Johnson, his ONLY snap of the half.

We lost.

[#CRASHFormation]

Last year, the steelers started the season 4-4 and one of the reasons was due to the Roethlisberger's injury and during that time the bengals were 8-0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3eVcfm5CqA

More of Toddy's tricks.

[fansince'76]

Yep - that is typical Haley. 4th-and-2? Let's run a QB keeper from 5 yards behind the LOS, effectively making it a 4th-and-7 situation. And with a QB whose wheels are shot to boot. Against an opponent whose biggest strength is run defense. SMH.

[#CRASHFormation]

The next drive he has Vick throw to his right to Brown, on 4th down. Vick was never the best at throwing to his right even in his prime.

But that's the play the genius came up with.

[polamalubeast]

Vick was so terrible, that Landry Jones looks like a HOF QB if we compare him to Vick.The offense was completely different against Arizona in 2015, when Jones was the QB.

I'm not the biggest fan of Haley, he makes mistakes, but everybody make mistakes and that includes Haley, Ben, Tomlin,Bruce Arians, etc.

[#CRASHFormation]

Yep - that is typical Haley. 4th-and-2? Let's run a QB keeper from 5 yards behind the LOS, effectively making it a 4th-and-7 situation. And with a QB whose wheels are shot to boot. Against an opponent whose biggest strength is run defense. SMH.

The biggest play of the Mike Vick Steelers Era:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmSvCAAQiMI

And it was BEN who called it.

It upset Haley so much he threw Ben under the bus to FOX Sports, and told Ben to "back off" his involvement on the sidelines the next week.

[polamalubeast]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3eVcfm5CqA

More of Toddy's tricks.

It was bad like the 2 field goal missed by our Kicker before the overtime....

[polamalubeast]

◾Personnel formations:◾01: 9/1107 (.81%)
◾11: 674/1107 (60.89%)
◾12: 158/1107 (14.27%)
◾13: 103/1107 (9.3%)
◾14: 1/1107 (.09%)
◾20: 3/1107 (.27%)
◾21: 54/1107 (4.88%)
◾22: 84/1107 (7.59%)
◾23: 3/1107 (.27%)
◾31: 1/1107 (.09%)
◾12WC: 1/1107 (.09%)
◾10 Men: 1/1107 (.09%)
◾Victory: 15/1107 (1.36%)



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[#CRASHFormation]

On the season, the Steelers ran the no-huddle on 178 snaps, or about 16 percent of the time.


And that's why we're playing on WC weekend.

[polamalubeast]

I do not think it would have made a big difference since the steelers had only one close loss this year and it was against Dallas when our defense give up 35 points ...

[#CRASHFormation]

But since Ben was given all of the accolades during Haley's 2013 demotion for running the no huddle and playing well in it? The no huddle has been pretty much ignored other than garbage time and obvious situations since 2014.

And they've yet to have a bye week under this ownership induced arrangement.

Whiz had one in three years.

Arians had two in five years.

The golf coach hasn't had any.

[polamalubeast]

But since Ben was given all of the accolades during Haley's 2013 demotion for running the no huddle and playing well in it? The no huddle has been pretty much ignored other than garbage time and obvious situations since 2014.

And they've yet to have a bye week under this ownership induced arrangement.

Whiz had one in three years.

Arians had two in five years.

The golf coach hasn't had any.


If the Steelers would have had the same defense that Arians or Whiz had the Steelers probably would have had some bye week in the past three years and please not disrespect our defense from 2004 to 2010, only in 2009, our defense was terrible.

[Born2Steel]

But since Ben was given all of the accolades during Haley's 2013 demotion for running the no huddle and playing well in it? The no huddle has been pretty much ignored other than garbage time and obvious situations since 2014.

And they've yet to have a bye week under this ownership induced arrangement.

Whiz had one in three years.

Arians had two in five years.

The golf coach hasn't had any.

For argument sake, let's just say we all agree with you. SO WHAT?

[#CRASHFormation]

For argument sake, let's just say we all agree with you. SO WHAT?

So what? Are you a fucking fan of this team or not? Anyone who says so what? To me that's just someone who's just happy to watch games and doesn't care about them winning.

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If the Steelers would have had the same defense that Arians or Whiz had the Steelers probably would have had some bye week in the past three years and please not disrespect our defense from 2004 to 2010, only in 2009, our defense was terrible.

Haley's offense doesn't protect the defense the way Whiz and Arians could. Haley's offense is also known for being slow out of the gate.

Opening Drive TD's 2004-2016

Arians (Five years): 22

Whiz (Three years): 14

Haley (Five years): 12

Haley has two extra years on Whiz and still hasn't passed him.

Stop making excuses for Haley. The FACTS speak for themselves.

I posted Scott Kascmer's article which was written after only 5 games of the Haley Era. He shows LeBeau for the overrated farce his career, and defenses, for what they were.

[polamalubeast]

So what? Are you a fucking fan of this team or not? Anyone who says so what? To me that's just someone who's just happy to watch games and doesn't care about them winning.

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Haley's offense doesn't protect the defense the way Whiz and Arians could. Haley's offense is also known for being slow out of the gate.

Opening Drive TD's 2004-2016

Arians (Five years): 22

Whiz (Three years): 14

Haley (Five years): 12

Haley has two extra years on Whiz and still hasn't passed him.

Stop making excuses for Haley. The FACTS speak for themselves.

I posted Scott Kascmer's article which was written after only 5 games of the Haley Era. He shows LeBeau for the overrated farce his career, and defenses, for what they were.


These are not excuses, it's just that you say that Haley is solely responsible that the steelers are less good for 5 years, which is not true.Under Arians, Polamalu and James Harrison were at their peak and they each won a DPOY.Lamarr Woodley also had more than 10 sacks for 3 seasons.

Who are our superstar in defense right now?

[pczach]

But since Ben was given all of the accolades during Haley's 2013 demotion for running the no huddle and playing well in it? The no huddle has been pretty much ignored other than garbage time and obvious situations since 2014.

And they've yet to have a bye week under this ownership induced arrangement.

Whiz had one in three years.

Arians had two in five years.

The golf coach hasn't had any.


You can't have it both ways.

You can't bash LeBeau defenses by saying they put up great regular season numbers but didn't perform well in the playoffs, while also bashing Haley for having nowhere near the caliber of defenses to help them get the higher seed in the AFC.

Haley hasn't had the defenses to balance the equation. The last 5 years, the roster hasn't been good enough, particularly on defense to go 13-3 and get a bye week.

Your claims that Haley is garbage don't seem to consider to look at the other side of the ball to help determine his worth. I'm not the biggest Haley supporter in the world, but I respect many of the aspects of his offense and how it has helped Ben progress in certain ways on the field.

You can't claim the team has gone nowhere with Haley as OC, yet absolve the defense of having anything to do with the team's record. It doesn't make any sense. Your rants about certain formations and personnel groups seem silly sometimes, but when you ignore what has been going on with the other side of the ball......that's where you lose many of us completely.

[#CRASHFormation]

These are not excuses, it's just that you say that Haley is solely responsible that the steelers are less good for 5 years, which is not true.Under Arians, Polamalu and James Harrison were at their peak and they each won a DPOY.Lamarr Woodley also had more than 10 sacks for 3 seasons.

Who are our superstar in defense right now?

And yet, in a 21 game span from XLIII to the end of Ben's suspension? This star studded defense blew 11 fourth quarter leads in 21 games.

MORE THAN HALF.

That doesn't even include Tebow, or Flacco in 2011.


Don't need superstars, what you need is a system that doesn't dominate for 45 minutes, then all of the sudden you stop playing defense and worry more about milking the clock in the final 15.

[polamalubeast]

And yet, in a 21 game span from XLIII to the end of Ben's suspension? This star studded defense blew 11 fourth quarter leads in 21 games.

MORE THAN HALF.

That doesn't even include Tebow, or Flacco in 2011.


Don't need superstars, what you need is a system that doesn't dominate for 45 minutes, then all of the sudden you stop playing defense and worry more about milking the clock in the final 15.

Many of his games was without Polamalu.....When Arians had a bad defense,they don't make the playoffs.....

[#CRASHFormation]

You can't bash LeBeau defenses by saying they put up great regular season numbers but didn't perform well in the playoffs, while also bashing Haley for having nowhere near the caliber of defenses to help them get the higher seed in the AFC.

Um, no, I've never praised LeBeau's regular season work. Because his 4th quarter defense sucked in the regular season too.


Haley hasn't had the defenses to balance the equation. The last 5 years, the roster hasn't been good enough, particularly on defense to go 13-3 and get a bye week.

Didn't need 13 wins this season.


I'm not the biggest Haley supporter in the world, but I respect many of the aspects of his offense and how it has helped Ben progress in certain ways on the field.

Be specific. But remember, I'll reply back.


You can't claim the team has gone nowhere with Haley as OC, yet absolve the defense of having anything to do with the team's record.

But the point you people are missing is the defense's problems NOW? They've ALWAYS had since Ben's been here.

Again, go find the article I posted about LeBeau. It was written after only FIVE GAMES, with Todd Haley.













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Many of his games was without Polamalu.....When Arians had a bad defense,they don't make the playoffs.....

The defense was overrated ass in 2011.

They won 12 games.

If Dick LeBeau's defense is THAT reliant on a strong safety? Again, he's not as good as you say he is.

[polamalubeast]

The defense was overrated ass in 2011.

They won 12 games.

If Dick LeBeau's defense is THAT reliant on a strong safety? Again, he's not as good as you say he is.

Our offense was not good in 2011,especially on the road.

And yeah,Polamalu was very important to this defense.

[#CRASHFormation]

Our offense was not good in 2011,especially on the road.

And yeah,Polamalu was very important to this defense.

Offense wasn't good huh? And yet Ben made the Pro Bowl, and before his injury a RAVENS beat writer called him the best QB in the AFC. Wallace made the Pro Bowl, and despite only starting four games Antonio Brown had 1000 yards.

Sometimes you make it too easy.

LOL

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Many of his games was without Polamalu.....When Arians had a bad defense,they don't make the playoffs.....

The Steelers in 2009 had the best (may have been #2) defense in the NFL after three quarters.

So what changed?

LeBeau's 4th quarter bullshit, that's been his trademark everywhere he's been.

[#CRASHFormation]

For those who missed it......again, this was written after only FIVE GAMES with Todd Haley on staff.

[pczach]

Um, no, I've never praised LeBeau's regular season work. Because his 4th quarter defense sucked in the regular season too.



[/COLOR]Didn't need 13 wins this season.



Be specific. But remember, I'll reply back.



But the point you people are missing is the defense's problems NOW? They've ALWAYS had since Ben's been here.

Again, go find the article I posted about LeBeau. It was written after only FIVE GAMES, with Todd Haley.













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The defense was overrated ass in 2011.

They won 12 games.

If Dick LeBeau's defense is THAT reliant on a strong safety? Again, he's not as good as you say he is.


You know what Crash, I know you don't think LeBeau's defenses were great in the regular season. The problem is....you are wrong. A team defense can't lead the league in yards allowed and points scored or at least be in the top 5 as many times as LeBeau's defenses were and not be considered great defenses. It doesn't matter what they did in the playoffs for the sake of this discussion about regular season records. You're wrong, because you can't say that the defenses weren't any good. That's just nonsense.


I find it hilarious that you try to warn people here that you are going to reply back.......:jerkit: I've made a note of that.

I know you might find this hard to believe, but some of us here actually played football and understand it. The terminology, the formations, the reads, the technique involved within positional play, and how to execute plays. You talk like you are the only person on this board that thinks they know football.

Frankly, most of the claims you make are based on your own conclusions about phases of the game that many of us don't agree with. But it's not just that we don't agree with you....real football people that know the game and comment on football also don't agree with what you say.

Once you claim that LeBeau was a bum, or that Todd Haley can't coach....everything you say after that is proven in your mind and correct, when the fact of the matter is you haven't proven anything in the first place. If you want to talk shop, talk about player performance within the schemes and what they should be doing from a schematic standpoint or from a technique standpoint to improve what is happening on the field. Enough of this shit of talking about a single play from 2004 to try to prove a point. It doesn't prove anything. You're the only one that that play means anything to. You can't pick individual plays and proclaim that proves your theories about a coordinator.

In a film room, individual plays are used as a teaching tool to show what was done right and what was done wrong within the play. Those teachings are then used to correct problems in technique or in execution going forward. You try to use them as a snapshot to explain how an offense or defense was a failure for the entire tenure of coaches here. It doesn't work that way.

Making the claims you do only exposes you, because if you sat in those rooms and understood how many plays are looked at, while also understanding how much success occurred while playing in those systems, you wouldn't be saying many of the things you are saying.

You can believe that LeBeau's defenses were overrated, because they didn't always play as well in the post season... and that's reasonable criticism.

Saying that LeBeau's defenses were a joke, or that they weren't effective at all is ridiculous. A defense that was ranked as the #1 defense that many times is getting the job done, even if is not perfect. Any football person would know that instinctively. Everything you say after that is dismissed as folly and discredited by your own silly conclusions.


I love your passion for the game....I really do. I just wish you would understand how much more seriously your takes on everything would be taken if you didn't summarily dismiss everything that everybody else is saying. At some point you have to know that there are people looking at the same things you are looking at, that know a lot more football than you do.

I have a pretty good knowledge of the game, but I understand that I don't know everything, and that I'm wrong about things from time to time. Other people have good ideas about things too, and I try to respect that.

You don't respect anyone's opinion but your own.

I hope you take what I'm saying to heart, because I love how passionate you are. Try not to bring up the same stuff over and over again in every thread, and you can be an asset to this message board. We come here to have discussions, but discussions only work when it's a 2-way conversation and you're not being talked down to all the time.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. It may not seem like it, but I'm trying to help you keep doing what you love and having people respect what you're saying.

[#CRASHFormation]

Did you read that article above? Again, all FACTS.


You don't respect anyone's opinion but your own.

Untrue, I respect everyone's opinion. But as soon as I type LeBeau's overrated or Todd Haley's infatuations with tricks and his mass subbings hurt this team? What do I get? "You're a troll Crash, you aren't a fan of this team Crash"

You know what's sad? I TOLD EVERYONE, that Todd Haley was Dick LeBeau's worst nightmare. Because now with a "Pittsburgh guy" running the offense? LeBeau will finally start catching some heat for his 4th quarter BS.

And that's exactly what happened. The same issues that LeBeau had, that used to be blamed on that evil Arians and his buddy Ben, only became a LEBEAU issue, when a Pittsburgh guy was named OC.

[pczach]

Did you read that article above? Again, all FACTS.



[/COLOR]Untrue, I respect everyone's opinion. But as soon as I type LeBeau's overrated or Todd Haley's infatuations with tricks and his mass subbings hurt this team? What do I get? "You're a troll Crash, you aren't a fan of this team Crash"

You know what's sad? I TOLD EVERYONE, that Todd Haley was Dick LeBeau's worst nightmare. Because now with a "Pittsburgh guy" running the offense? LeBeau will finally start catching some heat for his 4th quarter BS.

And that's exactly what happened. The same issues that LeBeau had, that used to be blamed on that evil Arians and his buddy Ben, only became a LEBEAU issue, when a Pittsburgh guy was named OC.


But you have to remember, you're on a message board where many of us....me included....don't really know what you posted back then. I haven't been here long enough to know you that way.

The other thing is that you can't just let it go. You keep bringing up the same stuff in every thread. If there's a designated thread about Haley.....Have at it! That's where it should be talked about. When it keeps getting inserted into every discussion about everything imaginable, it just doesn't work.

Anyway, it's almost game time. Let's get a win today!

I'll probably check in on the game day thread from time to time.

[Count Steeler]

For those who missed it......again, this was written after only FIVE GAMES with Todd Haley on staff.

Please check the COC. Do not post full articles, and post the link.

[st33lersguy]

Saw a graphic where they got 5.7 ypc out of 6 linemen today

[polamalubeast]

Saw a graphic where they got 5.7 ypc out of 6 linemen today


But,but,but this formation sucks!

[Born2Steel]

So what? Are you a fucking fan of this team or not? Anyone who says so what? To me that's just someone who's just happy to watch games and doesn't care about them winning.

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Haley's offense doesn't protect the defense the way Whiz and Arians could. Haley's offense is also known for being slow out of the gate.

Opening Drive TD's 2004-2016

Arians (Five years): 22

Whiz (Three years): 14

Haley (Five years): 12

Haley has two extra years on Whiz and still hasn't passed him.

Stop making excuses for Haley. The FACTS speak for themselves.

I posted Scott Kascmer's article which was written after only 5 games of the Haley Era. He shows LeBeau for the overrated farce his career, and defenses, for what they were.

Move on. This is 2016/17 now. Who cares about 2004-2015? Today we scored on 5 drives out of 6 in the first half. Impressive.

[43Hitman]

/Close Thread? :pray:

[#CRASHFormation]

Saw a graphic where they got 5.7 ypc out of 6 linemen today

What was it without him against the Ravens in 15 minutes and the first two drives today?

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Please check the COC. Do not post full articles, and post the link.


The link is disabled. Scott knows me online. He wouldn't care if I posted it. He's also a Steelers fan.

[86WARD]

Clueless.

[#CRASHFormation]

Yeah clueless.

Ben's hurt again in this moron's offense.

"Situational football".

[st33lersguy]

30 points and a single game team playoff rushing record, all with Todd Haley and without rashard mendenhall. AND without Darren sproles. Amazing!

[polamalubeast]

30 points and a single game team playoff rushing record, all with Todd Haley and without rashard mendenhall. AND without Darren sproles. Amazing!

But he is still not happy.

[#CRASHFormation]

But he is still not happy.

"Situational football".

[86WARD]

"Situational football".



I'd be willing to bet you heard that on a post game show just this afternoon and thought you'd throw it out there...lol.

[Mojouw]

I figured it out. Read all the threads and the various comments. Only one conclusion is possible.

Crash is is a bitter Bruce Arians that is pissed he was forced out and is doing from internet anonymity what h has never been able to do in public.

[#CRASHFormation]

I'm bitter that wasted 4 years of Ben's career by handcuffing him to an unqualified idiots offense.

If the currect OC is held to the standard the owner had for the previous OC? If we lose next Sunday? Todd Haley should be fired on Monday.

[polamalubeast]

I'm bitter that wasted 4 years of Ben's career by handcuffing him to an unqualified idiots offense.

If the currect OC is held to the standard the owner had for the previous OC? If we lose next Sunday? Todd Haley should be fired on Monday.





Especially to have 3 top 10 offense in 3 years, which Arians did just once in 5 years

[#CRASHFormation]

Especially to have 3 top 10 offense in 3 years, which Arians did just once in 5 years

So you value garbage time stats in losses, over taking Ben out of the game during WINS in the Tomlin/BA era?

Noted.

One thing is for sure, Ben wouldn't be throwing the ball up 30-12 in the last 4 minutes of a playoff game if Arians were here.

He's be standing on the side lines or handing off.

[polamalubeast]

So you value garbage time stats in losses, over taking Ben out of the game during WINS in the Tomlin/BA era?

Noted.


32-16 in the last 3 years with 2 playoffs win and counting.....

I miss this defense too


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAhSJZFBB4

[steelreserve]

I would say the rise of the extra-lineman formation had more to do with the fact that we now have no TEs who can block worth a damn. Whatever works, though.

[#CRASHFormation]

32-16 in the last 3 years with 2 playoffs win and counting.....

That's nice. But unfortunately, you can't dismiss the first two seasons.

It's called consistency.

Yay, we won on Wild Card weekend twice.

I remember when we used to not have to PLAY on some WC weekends the first 8 years of Ben's career.

[polamalubeast]

That's nice. But unfortunately, you can't dismiss the first two seasons.

It's called consistency.

Yay, we won on Wild Card weekend twice.

I remember when we used to not have to PLAY on some WC weekends the first 8 years of Ben's career.

Because of this great defense



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAhSJZFBB4

[SteelerFanInStl]

I would say the rise of the extra-lineman formation had more to do with the fact that we now have no TEs who can block worth a damn. Whatever works, though.
Bingo!

[#CRASHFormation]

Because of this great defense



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAhSJZFBB4

At least they didn't blow the 4th quarter lead that time.

Unlike when they did in the regular season in Heinz Field.

[hawaiiansteeler]

At least they didn't blow the 4th quarter lead that time.

Unlike when they did in the regular season in Heinz Field.

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder691/12139691.jpg

[#CRASHFormation]

Oh lovely Mr. Cut and Paste is back.

Aloha!

[hawaiiansteeler]

Oh lovely Mr. Cut and Paste is back.

Aloha!

Oh lovely Mr I Really Need Some New Material is back.

Aloha, as in hopefully it's goodbye from this board soon!