TPOP: They Might Be Giants...

[teegre]

Here is my response to the Cowboys-Steelers game... in a way. It's definitely in the "woulda, shoulda, coulda" category. Enjoy.

They Might Be Giants...
by Tiger Rowan

In order to help chase away my post-Cowboys-loss blues, I decided to watch the Giants beat up on the Bengals. Thankfully, I was not disappointed. More importantly, while watching the game, the player that stuck out was Giants safety, Landon Collins. It seemed as though the kid was developing right before my very eyes.

Immediately, I had a flashback to the 2015 draft, wherein Mike Tomlin tried to trade up (to pick #33) in order to draft Collins. The Steelers offered a fourth-round pick, but the Giants wanted a third-round pick. The trade fell through, and adding insult to injury, the Giants took the exact player for whom the Steelers were attempting to trade up (Collins).




Read more here:
http://www.thepointofpittsburgh.com/they-might-be-giants-but-could-have-been-steelers/



Feel free to pass this along to anyone who feel might enjoy reading it.

[st33lersguy]

Another view that could be added is that if they take OBJ, it is almost a certainty that they do not take Bryant as well and that the 4th round pick would have been a defensive player. Still though, I'd take OBJ and Collins (definitely) over Bryant and Shamarko any time. Sure with OBJ, his b.s. with a kicking net becomes Pittsburgh's problem, but I'd take that over Bryant's bullcrap with getting his ass suspended for a total of 20 games in 2 years then bragging about his absence hurting the team on social media, especially since OBJ is a significantly better player anyway

Also, I hate to be that guy but if I remember correctly, the Titans held the pick entering Day 2 of the draft, and they traded with the Giants instead of Pittsburgh.

[Steel Peon]

No need for quoting, because I agreed with everything as I read it, and your analysis is very indicative of a problem this team has with judging and developing current and future talent. :applaudit:


Sure with OBJ, his b.s. with a kicking net becomes Pittsburgh's problem, but I'd take that over Bryant's bullcrap with getting his ass suspended for a total of 20 games in 2 years then bragging about his absence hurting the team on social media

Yes, OBJ's bullcrap is definitely a lot more palatable than Bryant's.

[fansince'76]

Except OBJ and AB are both #1 receivers. Which one subjugates his ego and settles for being the #2 in Pittsburgh? They're BOTH the definition of "diva" WRs (sorry, but it's true, AB).

[teegre]

Except OBJ and AB are both #1 receivers. Which one subjugates his ego and settles for being the #2 in Pittsburgh? They're BOTH the definition of "diva" WRs (sorry, but it's true, AB).

Let me answer that this way...

When the Vikings drafted Randy Moss, a reporter asked Denny Green: "You already have Chris Carter AND Jake Reed... how will you make sure that everyone gets enough targets???"

To which, Denny replied: "That is a good problem to have."

[teegre]

Another view that could be added is that if they take OBJ, it is almost a certainty that they do not take Bryant as well and that the 4th round pick would have been a defensive player. Still though, I'd take OBJ and Collins (definitely) over Bryant and Shamarko any time. Sure with OBJ, his b.s. with a kicking net becomes Pittsburgh's problem, but I'd take that over Bryant's bullcrap with getting his ass suspended for a total of 20 games in 2 years then bragging about his absence hurting the team on social media, especially since OBJ is a significantly better player anyway

Also, I hate to be that guy but if I remember correctly, the Titans held the pick entering Day 2 of the draft, and they traded with the Giants instead of Pittsburgh.

Amen!!! Beckham reminds me of T.O., in that you can sort of deal with the whining and theatrics, because when he's on the field, he gives 100%. Oh... and, as you said: he's available (i.e. kicking a net is childish, but it doesn't get you suspended for a year).

Re: Tennessee
:doh: Crud!!! You are correct.

[fansince'76]

Let me answer that this way...

When the Vikings drafted Randy Moss, a reporter asked Denny Green: "You already have Chris Carter AND Jake Reed... how will you make sure that everyone gets enough targets???"

To which, Denny replied: "That is a good problem to have."

Point taken. :hatsoff:


Amen!!! Beckham reminds me of T.O., in that you can sort of deal with the whining and theatrics, because when he's on the field, he gives 100%. Oh... and, as you said: he's available (i.e. kicking a net is childish, but it doesn't get you suspended for a year).

Not to mention funny as hell...

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7163263/beckrage.0.gif

:lol:

[teegre]

Not to mention funny as hell...

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7163263/beckrage.0.gif

:lol:


Just imagine all of the threads that he'd inspire. It would almost be worth it to let Tee Tee come back. :lol:

[fansince'76]

Just imagine all of the threads that he'd inspire. It would almost be worth it to let Tee Tee come back. :lol:

YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANY OF BELICHICK'S PLAYERS DOING THAT! REAL GOOD DISCIPLINE THERE, COOL SHADES!!! :hippo: :poker: :bond:

:jerkit:

[teegre]

YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANY OF BELICHICK'S PLAYERS DOING THAT! REAL GOOD DISCIPLINE THERE, COOL SHADES!!! :hippo: :poker: :bond:

:jerkit:

The NFL draft... Collins... ODB... pffft...

Two words: international bankers.

[fansince'76]

The NFL draft... Collins... ODB... pffft...

Two words: international bankers.

DAMN international bankers. :chuckle:

[tube517]

DAMN international bankers. :chuckle:

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[teegre]

Yesterday, I was obviously watching Collins and ODB closely.



More importantly (jumping to the bottom of the editorial)...

1) Ladarius Green: 6 rec, 110 yards, TD.

2) I have lambasted Mike Mitchell for two years, but today, he had two heady plays. On both plays, he could have gone for the kill shot (which is his M.O.), but instead, he broke up both passes... on third downs, no less.

3) Now... all they need is a WR to step up and take hold of the "#2" spot.

[Steeldude]

Yesterday, I was obviously watching Collins and ODB closely.

2) I have lambasted Mike Mitchell for two years, but today, he had two heady plays. On both plays, he could have gone for the kill shot (which is his M.O.), but instead, he broke up both passes... on third downs, no less.

2 good games in a row for Mitchell. Is the sky falling?

[SteelerFanInStl]

I'm glad that OBJ isn't on the Steelers. He's the biggest crybaby in the NFL.

[teegre]

2 good games in a row for Mitchell. Is the sky falling?

Indeed.

This is not an embellishment: after Mitchell's second pass-breakup, I walked outside and looked into the sky. My brother asked me what I was doing. I replied: "I am looking for unicorns falling from the sky." :lol:

(Because, that is about as believable as Mitchell breaking up two passes in the same game.)

[pczach]

2 good games in a row for Mitchell. Is the sky falling?


He has been playing better since Davis has been moved into the starting lineup. Safeties work in tandem and he has been forced to play a different style for most of this season. Butler now has Mitchell doing what he does best....attacking the ball. Whatever adjustments have been made coincided with Sean Davis being on the field.

They have been playing weaker opponents,but there is no doubt that what they're doing is working. I believe Mitchell has taken a lot of criticism for not performing well because he has been playing a part in the defense that does not fit his skill set for the good of the team. When they let him do what he does best he is a difference maker with his physical presence and intimidation in the secondary.

Sean Davis is showing signs that he could be a real player that could be a large part of this defense for years.

[Mojouw]

You are definitely on to something. Ever since Davis and Burns started settling in and playing fundamental and assignment sound football, Mitchell started performing better.


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[Born2Steel]

Collins would make for a good Steeler. A little happy now that we didn't get OBJ after watching his behavior. Talent, yes. Locker room trouble, yes. No thanks.

[tube517]

You are definitely on to something. Ever since Davis and Burns started settling in and playing fundamental and assignment sound football, Mitchell started performing better.


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That "Cool Shades" coach did some poker playing.......


Good for him. His fortunes felt as bleak as those of anyone associated with the Steelers a month ago, but he's since been as instrumental as anyone in the defense getting better. Because it's his call, not Butler's, when it comes to who gets a helmet and who uses it. It was the head coach who benched Jarvis Jones and, to a lesser extent, Arthur Moats. He turned instead to a healthy Bud Dupree and an eternal James Harrison because, to recite one of Tomlin's best lines all season, "What are we preserving him for?" He also demoted Robert Golden for Sean Davis, Willie Gay for Artie Burns, bucking his own longstanding precedent of needlessly burying rookies.

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[CapLovesTroyP43]

What the hell does TPOP mean???????

[tube517]

What the hell does TPOP mean???????

http://www.thepointofpittsburgh.com/

[st33lersguy]

Collins would make for a good Steeler. A little happy now that we didn't get OBJ after watching his behavior. Talent, yes. Locker room trouble, yes. No thanks.

Yeah OBJ is an f-ing jackass. The only upside to it is that the team wouldn't have to deal with him getting suspended every year like they have to with Bryant (remember, if they take Beckham, they don't take Bryant)

[teegre]

He has been playing better since Davis has been moved into the starting lineup. Safeties work in tandem and he has been forced to play a different style for most of this season. Butler now has Mitchell doing what he does best....attacking the ball. Whatever adjustments have been made coincided with Sean Davis being on the field.

They have been playing weaker opponents,but there is no doubt that what they're doing is working. I believe Mitchell has taken a lot of criticism for not performing well because he has been playing a part in the defense that does not fit his skill set for the good of the team. When they let him do what he does best he is a difference maker with his physical presence and intimidation in the secondary.

Sean Davis is showing signs that he could be a real player that could be a large part of this defense for years.

Excellent point

[teegre]

Collins would make for a good Steeler. A little happy now that we didn't get OBJ after watching his behavior. Talent, yes. Locker room trouble, yes. No thanks.

I'm starting to think the same thing...

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Yeah OBJ is an f-ing jackass. The only upside to it is that the team wouldn't have to deal with him getting suspended every year like they have to with Bryant (remember, if they take Beckham, they don't take Bryant)

That is very true.


All of that said, watching Odell complain after every single play drove me nuts. My pet peeve is receivers who look for the flag (as opposed to simply trying harder to make the catch). So, as phenomenal as Beckham is, I wouldn't want to watch him cry week after week.

[pczach]

Excellent point


Are you starting to see some of the talents that have the coaching staff excited about Davis?

I think what we're seeing is just the tip of the iceberg of what is possible with Davis. He has the type of versatility they have been searching for since Troy was no longer Troy.

I really like what I'm seeing, and I think he has a very, very high ceiling.

[teegre]

Are you starting to see some of the talents that have the coaching staff excited about Davis?

I think what we're seeing is just the tip of the iceberg of what is possible with Davis. He has the type of versatility they have been searching for since Troy was no longer Troy.

I really like what I'm seeing, and I think he has a very, very high ceiling.

To clarify:
I've never disliked Davis. My axe to grind has been solely with Mitchell.

[teegre]

On "Inside the NFL" they were talking about Odell... and how he'd act if he were on the Steelers.

The consensus was that BB would not allow Beckham to act like that/BB would keep him in check.


So... I'm once again back on the "too bad we couldn't trade up up for ODB in 2014" bandwagon. :lol:

[Mojouw]

That is very true.


All of that said, watching Odell complain after every single play drove me nuts. My pet peeve is receivers who look for the flag (as opposed to simply trying harder to make the catch). So, as phenomenal as Beckham is, I wouldn't want to watch him cry week after week.

I wonder how much of that is a player thing and how much of that is a team thing? Lots of Steelers WR's make motions for a flag after almost any ball they don't catch, with AB and Bryant the two worst offenders - but Wallace and Ward were no slouches in this department either. But it doesn't reach the histrionic levels that OBJ takes it to. Maybe some of this is on the Giants and their coaching staff for letting the player continue to get away with emotional outbursts with no consequences?

We talk all the time around here about lack of veteran leadership, little impact on players by the coaches, etc - yet you rarely see players under Tomlin pulling these types of things.

[pczach]

To clarify:
I've never disliked Davis. My axe to grind has been solely with Mitchell.

That's not what I was implying teeg.I'my sorry you took it that way.

I was referring to the plan the team has for upgrading the athleticism of the defense. I think it goes back to the discussion we had when you said you thought Vince Williams was a good enough player and that the team should have gone in another direction with draft picks. I think you are now starting to see the strategy coming together on the field when you see Ryan Shazier and Davis on the field at the same time with Burns and Cockrell starting, and Gay and Gilbert in the rotation.

The increase in athleticism is off the charts from where they were just a year and a half ago.

Does what I'm saying make sense?

[fansince'76]

He also demoted Robert Golden for Sean Davis, Willie Gay for Artie Burns, bucking his own longstanding precedent of needlessly burying rookies.

That was much more Cowher's and LeBeau's thing, particularly on defense...

[teegre]

That's not what I was implying teeg.I'my sorry you took it that way.

I was referring to the plan the team has for upgrading the athleticism of the defense. I think it goes back to the discussion we had when you said you thought Vince Williams was a good enough player and that the team should have gone in another direction with draft picks. I think you are now starting to see the strategy coming together on the field when you see Ryan Shazier and Davis on the field at the same time with Burns and Cockrell starting, and Gay and Gilbert in the rotation.

The increase in athleticism is off the charts from where they were just a year and a half ago.

Does what I'm saying make sense?

Ah... got it. :nod:

I will say this, though. Up until the past three games, I'd have loved to have Davis, Bucannon, & Williams rather than Davis, Mitchell, and Shazier.

Now... I'm feeling much better.

[teegre]

I wonder how much of that is a player thing and how much of that is a team thing? Lots of Steelers WR's make motions for a flag after almost any ball they don't catch, with AB and Bryant the two worst offenders - but Wallace and Ward were no slouches in this department either. But it doesn't reach the histrionic levels that OBJ takes it to. Maybe some of this is on the Giants and their coaching staff for letting the player continue to get away with emotional outbursts with no consequences?

We talk all the time around here about lack of veteran leadership, little impact on players by the coaches, etc - yet you rarely see players under Tomlin pulling these types of things.

Yep.
I think that if you put AB on the NYGiants, he'd become Odell... and, if you put Odell on the Steelers, he'd become AB.

[smokin3000gt]

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welp... that explains global warming...

[Mojouw]

Yep.
I think that if you put AB on the NYGiants, he'd become Odell... and, if you put Odell on the Steelers, he'd become AB.

Quick look at the combine #'s says that Odell is a faster, slightly bigger, and more explosive athlete (@ least coming out of college) than AB. Can you imagine if he worked at his craft to the extent that AB does? Not saying that Beckham Jr. doesn't work at his craft - by all accounts he does - but few WR's not named Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, Chris Carter, etc work as hard as AB.

[teegre]

Quick look at the combine #'s says that Odell is a faster, slightly bigger, and more explosive athlete (@ least coming out of college) than AB. Can you imagine if he worked at his craft to the extent that AB does? Not saying that Beckham Jr. doesn't work at his craft - by all accounts he does - but few WR's not named Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, Chris Carter, etc work as hard as AB.

Have you ever read the book: Outliers?

To paraphrase one of the crucial chapters, success comes from perseverance.

A longer version of that:
The biggest, strongest, fastest, smartest are not always the most successful... but, those who put in the most work are almost always successful.

Gladwell (the author) talks about how certain factors contribute to heading down the path to success: birth date, birth year, and obviously, God-given talent. But, that is not enough; you have to strive (through hard work) to be the best. It's the 10,000 hour rule.

Birth date:
Youth ice hockey cutoff age starts on January first. Thus, players born in January are almost a year older than those born in December. The coaches generally play the older/bigger kids more, and in turn, those kids get more playing time... and get even better. By the time they reach high school, the older/bigger kids have logged 2,000 hours more ice time than a player December birth date.

Birth year:
Steve Jobs, Steve Allen, and Bill Gates and were all born in the same three-year span. The timing was perfect for them to revolutionize the computer industry. But, each of them obsessed on improving computers. Gates would trade his college food coupons to people for their computer lab time... at times, spending almost an entire week (he'd sleep at the computer) straight at a monitor. By the time he had dropped out of college, he had logged over 5,000 hours of computer time.

God-given talent:
(My favorite chapter.) The Beatles were born more talented than anyone else, but it was their stint as a nightclub band that made them the greatest band ever. They played for 5 hours per night, 6 days per week (30 hours per week... 1500 hours per year). They grew tired of playing the same songs over & over. So, they learned every song imaginable... and would take requests for ANY song. In turn, not only did they practice 1500 hours per year, they were able to play ANY song in ANY genre. See: The White Album.

SUMMATION:
AB has enough God-given talent to be good, but he excels because he wants to be the greatest.

[Mojouw]

Have you ever read the book: Outliers?

To paraphrase one of the crucial chapters, success comes from perseverance.

A longer version of that:
The biggest, strongest, fastest, smartest are not always the most successful... but, those who put in the most work are almost always successful.

Gladwell (the author) talks about how certain factors contribute to heading down the path to success: birth date, birth year, and obviously, God-given talent. But, that is not enough; you have to strive (through hard work) to be the best. It's the 10,000 hour rule.

Birth date:
Youth ice hockey cutoff age starts on January first. Thus, players born in January are almost a year older than those born in December. The coaches generally play the older/bigger kids more, and in turn, those kids get more playing time... and get even better. By the time they reach high school, the older/bigger kids have logged 2,000 more ice time than a player December birth date.

Birth year:
Steve Jobs, Steve Allen, and Bill Gates and were all born in the same three-year span. The timing was perfect for them to revolutionize the computer industry. But, each of them obsessed on improving computers. Gates would trade his college food coupons to people for their computer lab time... at times, spending almost an entire week (he'd sleep at the computer) straight at a monitor. By the time he had drooped out of college, he had logged over 5,000 hours of computer time.

God-given talent:
(My favorite chapter.) The Beatles were born more talented than anyone else, but it was their stint as a nightclub band that made them the greatest band ever. They played for 5 hours per night, 6 days per week (30 hours per week... 1500 hours per year). They grew tired of playing the same songs over & over. So, they learned every song imaginable... and would take requests for ANY song. In turn, not only did they practice 1500 hours per year, they were able to play ANY song in ANY genre.

SUMMATION:
AB has enough God-given talent to be good, but he excels because he wants to be the greatest.

I haven't read that book, but I am familiar with Gladwell's arguments and the 10,000 hours thing. I would almost totally agree with them and what you have put in your post.

It also ties back in to what I was saying somewhere around here about PI flags and officiating in general. Everyone (players+fans+media) needs to stop it already with the microscopic dissection of officiating. Just play better. That's it. Like Rich Eisen was saying after that Michigan-Ohio State game -- don't let the officials decide the game. Make enough plays that a couple missed calls doesn't matter.

To me that ties in to your thoughts here about perseverance. Just push through and play. That is one consistent thing I have always liked about Tomlin's Steelers teams. Their heads are always up, they fight through everything even when math says they can't win. Not every NFL team does that.

[Hawkman]

welp... that explains global warming...

smokin....you're "like a virus.....you just show up".:heh:

[tube517]

smokin....you're "like a virus.....you just show up".:heh:

Smokin's avatar is better than a virus. :lol:

[Hawkman]

I haven't read that book, but I am familiar with Gladwell's arguments and the 10,000 hours thing. I would almost totally agree with them and what you have put in your post.

It also ties back in to what I was saying somewhere around here about PI flags and officiating in general. Everyone (players+fans+media) needs to stop it already with the microscopic dissection of officiating. Just play better. That's it. Like Rich Eisen was saying after that Michigan-Ohio State game -- don't let the officials decide the game. Make enough plays that a couple missed calls doesn't matter.

To me that ties in to your thoughts here about perseverance. Just push through and play. That is one consistent thing I have always liked about Tomlin's Steelers teams. Their heads are always up, they fight through everything even when math says they can't win. Not every NFL team does that.

"Almost totally"???? Really Mojouw...is there an "except for" in there?:wink02:

[Mojouw]

"Almost totally"???? Really Mojouw...is there an "except for" in there?:wink02:

Yeah. I got to many words jammed in there! No more posting on message boards while doing other things...right! Who am I kidding?

You would think I would actually read what I post rather than just mash the keyboard until there are no more thoughts to dribble out...but where would the fun be in that?

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[Hawkman]

Yeah. I got to many words jammed in there! No more posting on message boards while doing other things...right! Who am I kidding?

You would think I would actually read what I post rather than just mash the keyboard until there are no more thoughts to dribble out...but where would the fun be in that?

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Someone has to keep you straight.....Did anyone see the Stevie Wonder reference that OBJ put out there. The guy just can't help himself.

[BlackAndGold]

About Davis...

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I'm trying to find a good video of his INT. His ability to read the QB while having the amazing speed to go sideline to sideline gives him all the makings of a future pro bowl safety. So far it seems we got a good one folks.

[teegre]

rather than just mash the keyboard


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqjF7HKSaaI