Count the spins

[Steeldude]

at this moment mendenhall has 14 carries. i am not 100% positive, but i have counted 11 spins so far. which means he spins 78% of the time. if i am the defense i am happy to see it. his forward momentum stops as does his forward vision. it also creates opportunities to strip the ball.

[steelatl]

If spinning 78% of the time gives me a 50yd TD run in overtime I'm more than perfectly fine with it.

[The Duke]

If spinning 78% of the time gives me a 50yd TD run in overtime I'm more than perfectly fine with it.

lol

the spins worked at times, but I agree that he uses them way too much

love mendenhall all the way though

[Shoes]

I count it as a win.

[ALLD]

Open mouth insert foot?

[Godfather]

We just need to mix it up by sending Redman in for a few series.

[Borski]

Who cares about the spins? It's not hurting anything, and plus he won the game today.

[Steeldude]

Open mouth insert foot?

how so? he spins way too much. notice there was no spin on the game winning run? :drink:

[SteelerFanInStl]

Who cares about the spins? It's not hurting anything, and plus he won the game today.

Agreed. Usually when he spins, he's spinning off of the tackle and he's successful with it. As long as he holds on to the ball and keeps ripping off 50 yard runs to win the game, I'm happy.

[SteelerFanInStl]

how so? he spins way too much. notice there was no spin on the game winning run? :drink:

No one touched him so he didn't need to.

[tube517]

The spinning works sometimes but is not necessary in other times. It's better, though, than a formerly fast RB that can't see the holes and gets negative yardage.

Mendy still scares me with the way he holds the ball but I'll take the spinning and 50 yd TD and ZERO fumbles.

[ALLD]

That Mendy game winning run is going to rank just below the Immaculate Reception and FWP's Super Bowl TD.

[Psycho Ward 86]

at this moment mendenhall has 14 carries. i am not 100% positive, but i have counted 11 spins so far. which means he spins 78% of the time. if i am the defense i am happy to see it. his forward momentum stops as does his forward vision. it also creates opportunities to strip the ball.

LMAO, insert random #'s here? Off the top of any viewer with his/her head screwed on tight, Mendenhall didn't spin anywhere close to that many number of times. Maybe, MAYBE a 3rd of that number.

He had one spin on one of his 1st runs in the 1st quarter, another spin on a 5 yard reception, another late in the 2nd when to try to fork up the tough yards, maybe one more?

[Steeldude]

Off the top of any viewer with his/her head screwed on tight,

this coming from a person who posts pornographic pictures on a steelers' forum for children to see...lol.

[Merchant]

The spins worked today. And he didn't fumble. Nothing to complain about.

[Galax Steeler]

I am not a fan of the spin move just as long as he can hold on to the ball I guess I can get used to it.

[Psycho Ward 86]

this coming from a person who posts pornographic pictures on a steelers' forum for children to see...lol.

Horribly false accusations just because I proved your original point wrong? I did none of the above, but I DID prove that you're a pyromaniac that doesn't like it when he's proven wrong. Show some class...

Anyways, :focus:

(Sorry for that HTG :o)

[Chidi29]

The spin move is fine if you're lower to the ground and get a good plant off of it. Because of his size, if there's a smallish linebacker that's coming in hard, you can usually avoid a lot of the contact and at the very least, ensure that you fall forward (if not keep running altogether).

It's only when he spins too high that it becomes a problem. He's exposing his ribs and the ball and won't bounce off of contact as easily because guys can get their arms around him and drive him back.

Overall, I don't have a big issue with it. Only once this year, including the preseason, can I remember me going "Wow, I wish he didn't spin.'

[Chidi29]

I can go back and count the number of spins if you want me to.

[Kaeg]

I am glad things worked out with 120 yds, 1TD, and no fumbles, but I can understand where the OP is coming from. All those spins tend to scare me as they seem to increase the chance of a fumble.

[Psycho Ward 86]

I can go back and count the number of spins if you want me to.

Do it. And I think we're all curious as to how many times it worked if you can do that too Chidi.

[Chidi29]

Do it. And I think we're all curious as to how many times it worked if you can do that too Chidi.

How do you want me to define "worked". That he was able to stay upright? That he fell forward? And does a half spin, turn your side into the defender, count as a spin?

I'll have the numbers posted when I finish watching the game. That should be Tuesday.

[Delraich]

That Mendy game winning run is going to rank just below the Immaculate Reception and FWP's Super Bowl TD.

I want a hit of what you have. Great play and all but "just below the Immaculate Reception" is maybe a little stretch.

[Psycho Ward 86]

How do you want me to define "worked". That he was able to stay upright? That he fell forward? And does a half spin, turn your side into the defender, count as a spin?

I'll have the numbers posted when I finish watching the game. That should be Tuesday.

Whatever floats your boat man, apparently in Steeldude's world, a spin= turning your shoulder. Even a little bit.

[Chidi29]

Whatever floats your boat man, apparently in Steeldude's world, a spin= turning your shoulder. Even a little bit.

Alright. I'll go ahead and take a look at it.

[RushHard34]

anyone know of a place to download the game?

[Steeltreal]

at this moment mendenhall has 14 carries. i am not 100% positive, but i have counted 11 spins so far. which means he spins 78% of the time. if i am the defense i am happy to see it. his forward momentum stops as does his forward vision. it also creates opportunities to strip the ball.

You are right on. I marked 11 Spins including halves and even 2 on 1 run and will continue as the season goes on just for kicks.

[Psycho Ward 86]

You are right on. I marked 11 Spins including halves and even 2 on 1 run and will continue as the season goes on just for kicks.

???

[Borski]

???

He probably counted lowering a shoulder as 1/4th a spin too...

[Iron Steeler]

not gonna lie, i like the spins... its usually last desperation to gain 3-4 more yards. Plus he is good at gaining his balance and vision after the spin. U see a lot of sloppy tackle against his spins.... did you guys count how many times I said spin in my reply? haha

[Steeltreal]

If the runner turns around and finishes his run on his ass its a half. What dont you understand? In the end its all effort . Positive

[Devilsdancefloor]

I dont like the spin for the most part opens up for a strip of the ball cause the ball is away from the body. all you have to look at is redman the way he starts and finishes a run shoulders low and drving forward. i really think he also loses sight of where maybe a cutback lane is or even a small crease when he does it. I dont liek it, but he probably been doing it since peewee and hard to break those habits. I can live with it if he doesnt fumble and gets positive yards.

[psusteelerspens4life]

I like the spin move and I don't. I think he tries to use it too much but it worked when he used it at the right time. Yesterday he tried to do it at the line of scrimmage in traffic and was stopped with his back turned to the defender wrapped up instead of putting his head and shoulders down and getting tough yards. I don't fault him for trying but teams will key on him knowing he does it and stop him in his tracks and try to strip the ball. He did cause some misses and gained good yardage when he used it with some space and they were nice moves. As long as he holds onto the ball and produces thats all that matters, I love mendy and think he is a good back.

[cold-hard-steel]

I don't mind the spin move.It's just part of his style.I like his style.He can hit the hole hard and fast,but he can spin off a pile too.Lot of backs,great backs i might add,have used the spin move.I saw my man Jerome spin the old move many times when he was stacked up at the line.Adrian Peterson uses it a lot too,but he has more fumbles thats true.I have seen O.J. simpson use it,Walter peyton,Billy Simms,and many more.It can be a nice tool to have in certain situations.Until he starts coughing it up time,and time again,i would never take the move out of his game.Long as he don't get dizzy,spin on Mendy!!!!!

[Psycho Ward 86]

He probably counted lowering a shoulder as 1/4th a spin too...

Haha i was gonna say. I think we need to DEFINE what a spin is in this thread :chuckle:

[cold-hard-steel]

I think a 360 constitutes a full spin,then you have your 180's, and then your 90's,then your 45's. LOL I've even seen some 22.5s.

[cold-hard-steel]

Maybe we can call him whizzer.LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KRbCfXi1Nw

[Steeltreal]

Maybe we can call him whizzer.LOL

Thats perfect to combine with Isaac Redman the "Wheezer".

[Chidi29]

Thats perfect to combine with Isaac Redman the "Wheezer".

Suddeness, glide....and spinning?

[Steeldude]

Who cares about the spins? It's not hurting anything, and plus he won the game today.

yeah, it's only extra yards or a possible TO. no big deal. let's get kordell back too. he isn't hurting anything and plus the steelers won with him, right? lol.

i am a defender i am ecstatic when i see a big RB stop his forward motion.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Ok seriously though, how about we define a spin right now:

Spin=360 degree turn


m'kay? I really dont think i saw a dozen of those...

[CanadianSteel]

Dont mind the "spin" but dont think it should be his "go to" move every time..... how about running over some people once in a while......

Also spinderrella will not work on short yardage downs for the most part whne you have lots big bodies in small space .... hence Redman getting short yardage with his straight line approach..

[Chidi29]

And the number of spins Mendenhall had is....drumroll please....eight!

1. 11:24 in the 1st - semi screen, spins in the openfield
2. 2nd and 12, 2:48 in 1st - Draw play, spins to get out of a leg tackle. Didn't happen before contact
3. 2nd and 10, 14:10 in 2nd
4. 1st and 10, 9:11 in 2nd
5. 1st and 10, don't have the time. Came on the same drive as #4
6. 1st and 10, 10:40 in 3rd
7. 1st and 10, 9:27 in 3rd
8. 1st and 10, 1:50 in 3rd - screen pass

[Borski]

And the number of spins Mendenhall had is....drumroll please....eight!

1. 11:24 in the 1st - semi screen, spins in the openfield
2. 2nd and 12, 2:48 in 1st - Draw play, spins to get out of a leg tackle. Didn't happen before contact
3. 2nd and 10, 14:10 in 2nd
4. 1st and 10, 9:11 in 2nd
5. 1st and 10, don't have the time. Came on the same drive as #4
6. 1st and 10, 10:40 in 3rd
7. 1st and 10, 9:27 in 3rd
8. 1st and 10, 1:50 in 3rd - screen pass

Thats a far cry from 11 by the 3rd quarter

[Moose]

I get paranoid when he does that spin move also, mainly because he opens himself up to someone knocking the ball loose. BUT, I would hate to see the coaches try to have him stop now. You have to figure that it is his style of running, his timing and moves are based on that spin or little jig here or there, changing his style could and probably would throw his timing off and hurt his running skills. I did notice on one of his carries he did his 'spin' and I feel didn't pick up the yards he could have if he would have just hit the hole running. But as long as he's running in the plus yardage....leave his style alone. Kinda like the 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' theory. Got to remember it's hard to grab and jump on a 'merry-go-round' when it's moving. LOL

[SteelMember]

And the number of spins Mendenhall had is....drumroll please....eight!

wow... 8.

We should cut him now. He may have a fumble in his future. /sarcasm


Sure, I get the concern, but I don't think his turnovers have been a result of his spins. More like not taking care of the ball when he's sprinting. I believe this was even brought up by Marshall Faulk during one of the games. Now, I'm paraphrasing here... "the ball needs to have three points of contact to the body. Some guys use their arm swing to build their momentum when sprinting". Another one of the guys announcing the last game said something to the effect that guys use the spin move to break tackles of a defender that may only get a "piece".

We saw what happens when Mendy goes straight at a defender that's squared up on him... out for the season. He obviously likes the spin move, and if using it makes himself "skinny" and/or shed some weak arm tackles, I don't see what the big deal is.

He had a good game. Do we really have to nitpick in an attempt to devalue his performance by trying to preface an "i told ya so moment"? pleez.

[cold-hard-steel]

I think most of the fumbles come from trying to gain that extra yard.not the spin move.

[Steelerfreak58]

Sometimes you got to spin.

[Chidi29]

wow... 8.

We should cut him now. He may have a fumble in his future. /sarcasm


Sure, I get the concern, but I don't think his turnovers have been a result of his spins. More like not taking care of the ball when he's sprinting. I believe this was even brought up by Marshall Faulk during one of the games. Now, I'm paraphrasing here... "the ball needs to have three points of contact to the body. Some guys use their arm swing to build their momentum when sprinting". Another one of the guys announcing the last game said something to the effect that guys use the spin move to break tackles of a defender that may only get a "piece".

We saw what happens when Mendy goes straight at a defender that's squared up on him... out for the season. He obviously likes the spin move, and if using it makes himself "skinny" and/or shed some weak arm tackles, I don't see what the big deal is.

He had a good game. Do we really have to nitpick in an attempt to devalue his performance by trying to preface an "i told ya so moment"? pleez.

I just want to make one thing clear.

I intended no connotation on the numbers. I just tried to give as simple, to the point data as I could.

I have my own opinion the spin, but didn't make that known in this thread. All I saw was a dispute over the amount and offered to help. Looking back, you could argue that both guys were wrong.

[CPanther95]

I'll worry when he starts spinning before the hand off.

[SteelMember]

I just want to make one thing clear.

I intended no connotation on the numbers. I just tried to give as simple, to the point data as I could.

I have my own opinion the spin, but didn't make that known in this thread. All I saw was a dispute over the amount and offered to help. Looking back, you could argue that both guys were wrong.

This wasn't directly a response to your post, Chidi. I actually used yours because you actually took the time to get an "actual" number instead of just pulling it out of a hat. :drink: I would be interested in hearing your opinion on the matter though... unless your saving that for an editorial or something.

It's a known fact that dude never liked the Mendenhall pick. I think he's just looking to devalue his worth. He's been looking for reasons to call him out from day 1. He may have been better served to at least wait until something actually went wrong before speculating something "could have".

[Steeldude]

It's a known fact that dude never liked the Mendenhall pick. I think he's just looking to devalue his worth. He's been looking for reasons to call him out from day 1. He may have been better served to at least wait until something actually went wrong before speculating something "could have".

that's odd because i have stuck up for him on a number of occasions.

do you believe mendenhall has shown to be worth his draft status yet? i am not a rah rah fan who thinks everyone is great without playing a down. mendenhall hasn't been a poor RB by any means, but he hasn't be anything more than average so far. see the two words "so far"? :)

as for the spins? those apply to redman and any other RB too.


He may have been better served to at least wait until something actually went wrong before speculating something "could have".

that would be weak. anyone can say something after an incident. i didn't wait until 2001 to say kordell is a horrible QB. i said it 1997.

[SteelMember]

I, for one, never said you, or anyone else had to be "rah rah". I just know he's been on your short list of targets for awhile now. For a RB that's up for ground player of the week (which he probably won't win), I don't think it's necessary to nitpick. That's all I said other than the fact that I think you picked some arbitrary number off the top of your head.

I'm not hating on you. I just know there is some dislike there, so the thread appeared self-serving.

FWIW, I thought the link you provided on the o-line was very informative. :drink:

[Chidi29]

This wasn't directly a response to your post, Chidi. I actually used yours because you actually took the time to get an "actual" number instead of just pulling it out of a hat. :drink: I would be interested in hearing your opinion on the matter though... unless your saving that for an editorial or something.



I'm fine with the spin 95% of the time. As long as he is able to spin low enough so that he can shed contact and not expose his ribs and the ball, it's a fairly effective move. He's been successful the past two years and seeing how this isn't a major problem, I see no reason to change it.