Burn the film, hope the injuries aren't serious and move on.

[zulater]

The old saying that you're never as good as you seem to be when you win and not as bad as you look when you lose big hopefully applies here. Pretty much everything that could go wrong went wrong starting with Wheaton's endzone drop then rolling into the blocked fg and so on and so forth. Hopefully Foster's injury isnt serious because 67 didn't look very good out there. Maybe with a game under his belt? Doubt it though. Foster makes the line calls and if he's out a lengthy period we're in trouble.

Anyway save injuries I just think this was just one of those games that snowballed away from us. From a couple of ticky tack drive altering penalties to terrible tackling, to Markus Wheaton sucking the life out of every drive he played.

Do I think the Steelers went into this game overrated? Yeah obviously so. Cam Hewward and Stephan Tuitt are huge disappointment's this year. Will Bell coming back help? You would think. Right now it all comes down to the next game. Get right against the Chiefs hopefully and take it week by week. And don't think you''re a Super Bowl team until you're able to prove it on the field.

[Steeldude]

I would rather them learn from the film.

[Edman]

Do I think the Steelers went into this game overrated? Yeah obviously so. Cam Hewward and Stephan Tuitt are huge disappointment's this year. Will Bell coming back help? You would think. Right now it all comes down to the next game. Get right against the Chiefs hopefully and take it week by week. And don't think you''re a Super Bowl team until you're able to prove it on the field.

How about giving the Eagles credit? They're clearly a better team than people are given credit for.

The Steelers lost this game with the endzone drop. It snowballed from there.

[zulater]

I would rather them learn from the film.

Outside of figuring out how to better defend fake reverses I really don't think there's much to learn from today.

[GRAYGHOST668]

this game showed the glaring defects in the defense ,this bend don't break crap is for the birds we need a ball busting defense not this group of wanna be's,,,,until we put players on the field that can shut down another team there will be no 7th Super Bowl win for the Steelers

[zulater]

How about giving the Eagles credit? They're clearly a better team than people are given credit for.

The Steelers lost the chance to win this game with the endzone drop. It snowballed from there.

Because I don;t give a fuck about the Eagles and I don't think they're nearly as good as they appeared today. Yes they are playing good football right now. They could easily win their division. I still don;t think they're a Super Bowl contender.

As to this game. Why is Ben and AB still in the game? You don't play them all preseason because of the risk of injury yet you play them in a game already hopelessly lost? What's the point? And God forbid either get injured!

[Born2Steel]

It is a 16 game season. We will lose a few. Nobody likes to get humiliated like we are today though. This is a problem that's going to have to get fixed quickly. I believe our coaches and players will get it fixed. I still think we will win the division. So long as we keep improving and learning, we will be there at the end. Just a bad game today.

[Steeldude]

Outside of figuring out how to better defend fake reverses I really don't think there's much to learn from today.

Containment, tackling, which players to get minutes cut, lack of pass rush, lack of discipline, pass coverage....

[86WARD]

Steelers aren't a Super Bowl contender either.

Eagles wrote the book on how to defeat this team...

[zulater]

Why is Bell returning punts? Does Tomlin have him on his fantasy team?

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Steelers aren't a Super Bowl contender either.

Eagles wrote the book on how to defeat this team...

So you're writing off the season? :doh:

[86WARD]

Why is Bell returning punts? Does Tomlin have him on his fantasy team?

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So you're writing off the season? :doh:

Brown?

[86WARD]

Why is Bell returning punts? Does Tomlin have him on his fantasy team?

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So you're writing off the season? :doh:

Don't think I said that.

[zulater]

Containment, tackling, which players to get minutes cut, lack of pass rush, lack of discipline, pass coverage....

You can figure out those areas need addressing without watching this abortion of a game film.

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Brown?

Of course that's what I meant. .

[86WARD]

So no need to watch the film to see what the Eagles did and maybe try to adjust and defend against that in case the Chiefs come out with the same exact philosophy?

[Edman]

Steelers aren't a Super Bowl contender either.

Eagles wrote the book on how to defeat this team...

No ones a Super Bowl Contender.

You're only a Super Bowl Contender when you get there.

[st33lersguy]

The pass rush needs to be fixed, spice things up a little more. Also hope Ramon Foster injury isn't serious

[hawaiiansteeler]

what bothers me the most of all is how much this game is going to hurt our 30 points per game average...:rolleyes:

[lipps83]

Butler has this defense in shambles. The players have changed, but Lebeau's garbage ideas stay.

Can they please try something else? It hasn't worked in almost 6 years and it ain't gonna work no more or ever again.

Time to move on.

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what bothers me the most of all is how much this game is going to hurt our 30 points per game average...:rolleyes:

And don't forget AB's 150/2000, which is probably still possible, but the 30ppg they have a long long way to go.

[dislocatedday]

I agree with what you posted zulater, except for the part about Tuit and Heyward being huge disappointments. Those 2 along with Shazier (when healthy) have played very well to my eyes so far this season.

[Shoes]

The only consistent player on the Steeler offense or defense was Jarvis Jones as he continued to be manhandled. :chuckle:

[hawaiiansteeler]

And don't forget AB's 150/2000, which is probably still possible, but the 30ppg they have a long long way to go.

and don't forget the we're gonna average 5 yards per carry bs either.

10 rushes for 29 yards today...

[WCSteeler]

It's been the same issues for the last several seasons, poor secondary, no pass rush and awful attempt at tackling. What should be just a worrisome is the fact that the Steelers have 1, yes 1 legitimate WR and that's it. The underlying issue might not be players related but poor coaching, fans need to remember this team has 1 playoff win in 5 seasons and a now a bad reputation of not being able to develop players. I'm not gonna start the 'Fire Tomlin' talk but I will say he is not nearly as good of a coach as he is billed to be

[86WARD]

No ones a Super Bowl Contender.

You're only a Super Bowl Contender when you get there.

Last time the Steelers got shellacked by the Eagles they won the Super Bowl...so we got that going for us...which is nice.

[st33lersguy]

Butler has this defense in shambles. The players have changed, but Lebeau's garbage ideas stay.

Can they please try something else? It hasn't worked in almost 6 years and it ain't gonna work no more or ever again.

Time to move on.

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And don't forget AB's 150/2000, which is probably still possible, but the 30ppg they have a long long way to go.

He did have 12 catches for 140 yards.

[Steel Peon]

Steelers aren't a Super Bowl contender either.

Eagles wrote the book on how to defeat this team...

They used a page from that book in 2008 as well in the 3rd game of the season at the 4 o'clock time slot, and that season was a disaster, right?

Edit: Only read your first post before replying, and you already knew this.

[Edman]

It always seems when the Steelers suffer an ugly loss, it ends up well for them in the end to a certain extent, and before anyone brings up 2011, Injuries did that team in.

This wasn't a tough heartbreaker where the Eagles pulled out a miracle where a couple plays could've went their way, this was a straight up beatdown. The Steelers were thoroughly beaten. Plenty to access and plenty of improvements to make.

[WCSteeler]

I'd love to see the Steelers properly address issues instead of bandage and move on

[Edman]

It's been the same issues for the last several seasons, poor secondary, no pass rush and awful attempt at tackling. What should be just a worrisome is the fact that the Steelers have 1, yes 1 legitimate WR and that's it. The underlying issue might not be players related but poor coaching, fans need to remember this team has 1 playoff win in 5 seasons and a now a bad reputation of not being able to develop players. I'm not gonna start the 'Fire Tomlin' talk but I will say he is not nearly as good of a coach as he is billed to be

Out of the woodwork.

[WCSteeler]

Don't be an apologist, the team has had the same problems for years and the problems are not fixed, tell me when has this improvement in its trouble areas?

[Craic]

It's been the same issues for the last several seasons, poor secondary, no pass rush and awful attempt at tackling.

Yep, out of the woodwork. One loss and we're doomed with our stupid FO and coaches always doing it exactly the same way. Never mind:

1. We've drafted 3 high-round DBs in the last two years
2. Low pass rush is on account of new CBs getting worked into system—new NT getting worked into system—LB injuries
3. Steelers tackling = league tackling. Thank you CBA and multi-million dollar contracts making it too dangerous to work on basics like tackling in camp.


What should be just a worrisome is the fact that the Steelers have 1, yes 1 legitimate WR and that's it.

Yes, another failure! Never mind the fact that . . .

1. Our number 2 WR was injured an unable to player
2. Our number 3 (or 2, depending who you talk to) WR is suspended for a year
3. Our Perhaps 1b receiver is a RB who was out until next game.

Yep. Failure, I tell you! FAILURE!


The underlying issue might not be players related but poor coaching, fans need to remember this team has 1 playoff win in 5 seasons and a now a bad reputation of not being able to develop players. I'm not gonna start the 'Fire Tomlin' talk but I will say he is not nearly as good of a coach as he is billed to be

FIRE TOMLIN! We only made it to the Division playoff game last year and 2-1 after three games with a team that has a poor secondary, no pass rush, awful attempt[s] at tackling and only 1 legitimate receiver! A real coach should have won the SB with line up! Or . . . wait . . . FIRE TOMLIN! That many problem and the Steelers should have losing seasons every . . . or, wait . . . FIRE TOMLIN! WE LOST TODAY.

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and don't forget the we're gonna average 5 yards per carry bs either.

10 rushes for 29 yards today...

Yeah. I really like D.Will, but he didn't seem to have the explosive step after starting his third game in a row.

[vasteeler]

what bothers me the most of all is how much this game is going to hurt our 30 points per game average...:rolleyes:

nah. we will score 60 next week and even it up:thumbsup:

[pepsyman1]

Butler has this defense in shambles. The players have changed, but Lebeau's garbage ideas stay.

Can they please try something else? It hasn't worked in almost 6 years and it ain't gonna work no more or ever again.

Time to move on.

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I really don't understand the defensive approach Butler has taken this year. Even though our secondary got torched on numerous occasions last year, it was obvious that Butler was going to try to be more aggressive overall. Considering what our DB talent level was, I was not too disappointed with the results first year into the change and we did have a lot of sacks last year. To rework our secondary this year and then GO BACK to playing a passive zone most (all?) of the game for the first 3 games is mystifying to me. What's the point of this approach? Do we really believe that a quality QB isn't capable of making 8-10 good plays to get down the field if we give them open receivers and "just keep them in front of us"????

[86WARD]

Yep, out of the woodwork. One loss and we're doomed with our stupid FO and coaches always doing it exactly the same way. Never mind:

1. We've drafted 3 high-round DBs in the last two years
2. Low pass rush is on account of new CBs getting worked into system—new NT getting worked into system—LB injuries
3. Steelers tackling = league tackling. Thank you CBA and multi-million dollar contracts making it too dangerous to work on basics like tackling in camp.


Yes, another failure! Never mind the fact that . . .

1. Our number 2 WR was injured an unable to player
2. Our number 3 (or 2, depending who you talk to) WR is suspended for a year
3. Our Perhaps 1b receiver is a RB who was out until next game.

Yep. Failure, I tell you! FAILURE!


FIRE TOMLIN! We only made it to the Division playoff game last year and 2-1 after three games with a team that has a poor secondary, no pass rush, awful attempt[s] at tackling and only 1 legitimate receiver! A real coach should have won the SB with line up! Or . . . wait . . . FIRE TOMLIN! That many problem and the Steelers should have losing seasons every . . . or, wait . . . FIRE TOMLIN! WE LOST TODAY.

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Yeah. I really like D.Will, but he didn't seem to have the explosive step after starting his third game in a row.

Bryant is suspended for the year...he is easily the number 2 and clearly missed. I recall a lot of people saying he wouldn't be missed...it was evident today more than any other day.

The OLine was pretty terrible. They were mauled and raped by the Eagles D Line...more of Williams "failure" falls on them than on Williams. There were a few runs that Williams made positive yards when he shouldn't have.

[Edman]

Don't be an apologist, the team has had the same problems for years and the problems are not fixed, tell me when has this improvement in its trouble areas?

Yep. Out of the Woodwork. Where were you last week?

The team loses one ugly game and now they're completely terrible and everyone needs to be fired.

[tube517]

Yeah. I really like D.Will, but he didn't seem to have the explosive step after starting his third game in a row.


Williams is fine. The whole team got shellacked and the running game wasn't going to get going, playing from behind. Eagles D-line played very well.

[Steeldude]

You can figure out those areas need addressing without watching this abortion of a game film.
.

They didn't figure it in the first two games.

[hawaiiansteeler]

nah. we will score 60 next week and even it up:thumbsup:

all we need is to score 55 points next game and we'll be right on track to average 30 points a game again! :thumbsup:

[Craic]

They were mauled and raped by the Eagles D Line...more of Williams "failure" falls on them than on Williams. There were a few runs that Williams made positive yards when he shouldn't have.


Williams is fine. The whole team got shellacked and the running game wasn't going to get going, playing from behind. Eagles D-line played very well.

I don't think it was just the line or the game. I noticed it last week as well, but not as much as this week.

Don't get me wrong, I think I he's still a great option for us and a wonderful pick up. I'd even go so far as to offer him another year contract, maybe two. But I don't think he's a long-term carry the load in case of injury back. Two games looks to be his limit now, IMO. Hope I'm wrong. Sincerely hope I'm wrong, because I like the guy, bother as a player and a person.

[Mojouw]

Agreed on Williams. I truly hope Cobb fulfills his potential and pushes French cafe of the roster by years end.


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[WCSteeler]

Yep. Out of the Woodwork. Where were you last week?

The team loses one ugly game and now they're completely terrible and everyone needs to be fired.

I didn't say everyone needs to be fired, don't put words in people's mouths. Answer me a couple of questions, is the pass rush adequate? Are you ok with the way this team misses tackles and finally, is the secondary improved at all?

[WCSteeler]

Yep, out of the woodwork. One loss and we're doomed with our stupid FO and coaches always doing it exactly the same way. Never mind:

1. We've drafted 3 high-round DBs in the last two years
2. Low pass rush is on account of new CBs getting worked into system—new NT getting worked into system—LB injuries
3. Steelers tackling = league tackling. Thank you CBA and multi-million dollar contracts making it too dangerous to work on basics like tackling in camp.


Yes, another failure! Never mind the fact that . . .

1. Our number 2 WR was injured an unable to player
2. Our number 3 (or 2, depending who you talk to) WR is suspended for a year
3. Our Perhaps 1b receiver is a RB who was out until next game.

Yep. Failure, I tell you! FAILURE!


FIRE TOMLIN! We only made it to the Division playoff game last year and 2-1 after three games with a team that has a poor secondary, no pass rush, awful attempt[s] at tackling and only 1 legitimate receiver! A real coach should have won the SB with line up! Or . . . wait . . . FIRE TOMLIN! That many problem and the Steelers should have losing seasons every . . . or, wait . . . FIRE TOMLIN! WE LOST TODAY.

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Yeah. I really like D.Will, but he didn't seem to have the explosive step after starting his third game in a row.

I never said "fire Tomlin" read the whole post and don't react on what you think you read. The whole league tackles that poorly? No, they don't, watch more than just Steeler games and you'll see that not every team is poor in that area. How are those secondary picks working out so far? It's early to make an assumption but their 1st and 2nd rounds picks aren't even starters not to mention Golson that can't even make it through practice. The team has big problems and some fans would rather sweep it under the rug than deal with it

[steel striker]

That was hard to watch yesterday but, at the end of the day it's just one bad game they can bounce back from this. None of us saw this result coming. Time to move on to KC!

[st33lersguy]

I hope this loss lights a fire in them and they come out and dominate the Chiefs or at least put a beatdown on them

[Rotorhead]

WC, actually through the first 3 games the secondary is improved . . . the def game plan is what didnt work against the Eagles (for the record I was all for keeping with the same plan). Our pass rush is what killed us ultmately. JJ was manhandled and needs to just sit the rest of the season. Timmons and Shazier getting injured killed any other possibility of us being even remotely competitive on the defensive side. Ben was off target most of the game for whatever reason. He literally missed 2 completely wide open targets (probably for TD's) which would have completely changed the game not to mention the TD drop and blocked FG at the beginning. Yes there are improvements to be made (all teams have issues somewhere) and it was a bad game. Our Def is not good enough if our offense is not hitting on all cylinders, but we all knew that coming into this season. We all knew if the Def had to win games, we would probably lose those games. Shake it off and move on.