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polamalubeast
09-03-2016, 12:46 PM
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Method28
09-03-2016, 12:51 PM
Has the talent. Any word on what we gave up?

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polamalubeast
09-03-2016, 12:53 PM
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Shoes
09-03-2016, 12:54 PM
Has the talent. Any word on what we gave up?

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Thats what I'd like to know.

Method28
09-03-2016, 12:55 PM
Thats what I'd like to know.
Better be cheap is all i know lol

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BlackAndGold
09-03-2016, 12:56 PM
probably a 6th or 7th round pick.

Low risk, maybe a high reward trade.

polamalubeast
09-03-2016, 12:57 PM
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Shoes
09-03-2016, 01:02 PM
Steelers gave up a 6th round in 2018? Sounds good, but what's the rub with Gilbert? How many picks do the Browns have next draft?

Method28
09-03-2016, 01:02 PM
Woohoo! 6th round pick in NEXT years draft. I like it.

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Shoes
09-03-2016, 01:07 PM
Woohoo! 6th round pick in NEXT years draft. I like it.

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The Tweet said 2018. The Browns probably have 45 picks next year, so they moved it to 2018. :chuckle:

What are Gilbert's issues, anyone know?

ALLD
09-03-2016, 01:09 PM
The kid could not have a better opportunity to reclaim his career. He is probably one of the luckiest layers in the NFL this week. Talk about feast or famine.

tube517
09-03-2016, 01:15 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000349573/article/shazier-camp-talked-to-cowboys-before-steelers-pick


The Steelers, on the other hand, had planned to select cornerback Justin Gilbert (No. 8, Browns) or LSU wide receiver Odell Beckham (No. 12, Giants). Once those players were gone, general manager Kevin Colbert said it was "an easy evaluation" to switch gears and grab the best player on their board.

slippy
09-03-2016, 01:16 PM
love it. low risk very high reward. dreams of the bettis trade dancin in my head.

stillers4me
09-03-2016, 01:16 PM
It's official..

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steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 01:21 PM
What a F'ing disgrace this team has become. Tomlin is a PURE Gangsta Lover...plain & simple. Gilbert is nothing more then one of the scumbags who are killing each other on a daily basis in Chicago....nothing more. To give up ANYTHING for this guy is stupid. Let alone the 6th rounder that we did give the Browns.


Might as well change our name to the Pittsburgh " Crips " Cause that's what we basically are!!

Bluecoat96
09-03-2016, 01:23 PM
What a F'ing disgrace this team has become. Tomlin is a PURE Gangsta Lover...plain & simple. Gilbert is nothing more then one of the scumbags who are killing each other on a daily basis in Chicago....nothing more. To give up ANYTHING for this guy is stupid. Let alone the 6th rounder that we did give the Browns.


Might as well change our name to the Pittsburgh " Crips " Cause that's what we basically are!!
Uh...ok?

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Shoes
09-03-2016, 01:25 PM
What a F'ing disgrace this team has become. Tomlin is a PURE Gangsta Lover...plain & simple. Gilbert is nothing more then one of the scumbags who are killing each other on a daily basis in Chicago....nothing more. To give up ANYTHING for this guy is stupid. Let alone the 6th rounder that we did give the Browns.


Might as well change our name to the Pittsburgh " Crips " Cause that's what we basically are!!

Planet Pluto calling in.^^^^


I think Gilbert will do well here and if Burns pans out we will have two top CB's. DHB did well after coming to Pittsburgh, I see no reason why Gilbert won't.

teegre
09-03-2016, 01:33 PM
What a F'ing disgrace this team has become. Tomlin is a PURE Gangsta Lover...plain & simple. Gilbert is nothing more then one of the scumbags who are killing each other on a daily basis in Chicago....nothing more. To give up ANYTHING for this guy is stupid. Let alone the 6th rounder that we did give the Browns.


Might as well change our name to the Pittsburgh " Crips " Cause that's what we basically are!!

Go away.

Seriously.

steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 01:35 PM
Planet Pluto calling in.^^^^


I think Gilbert will do well here and if Burns pans out we will have two top CB's. DHB did well after coming to Pittsburgh, I see no reason why Gilbert won't.




This comment is pure stupidity. I mean DHB was signed outright, not traded. And DHB actually had good productive seasons before signing here...as where Gilbert has been a complete Bust! And DHB has never been anything but a good productive citizen. As where Gilbert has had MANY off the field incidents. So please...take your foot out of your mouth before commenting.

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Go away.

Seriously.





" Suck a ****! ( Seriously ) "

polamalubeast
09-03-2016, 01:35 PM
What a F'ing disgrace this team has become. Tomlin is a PURE Gangsta Lover...plain & simple. Gilbert is nothing more then one of the scumbags who are killing each other on a daily basis in Chicago....nothing more. To give up ANYTHING for this guy is stupid. Let alone the 6th rounder that we did give the Browns.


Might as well change our name to the Pittsburgh " Crips " Cause that's what we basically are!!



and it would have never happened under Cowher !!!!

teegre
09-03-2016, 01:36 PM
A 2018 6th round pick is essentially nothing.

Really.

The algorithm is that for every year in the future, you take away a round. Two years away is essentially equivalent to a rookie free agent. STEAL.

steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 01:38 PM
and it would have never happened under Cowher !!!!



No, not like this anyways. I mean to bring in a Gilbert, or anyone else who has had a bad History is okay...give them a non-guaranteed deal and see if they have turned it around. But to actually trade ASSETS for this guy ?....That is dumb.

teegre
09-03-2016, 01:40 PM
" Suck a ****! ( Seriously ) "

Nice knowing you...

polamalubeast
09-03-2016, 01:42 PM
Nice knowing you...

What do you think of this trade?

steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 01:42 PM
Nice knowing you...



You don't know me. And what is worse, you haven't the intellect to even make an actual argument against my opinion. Just post a sarcastic " Go away " comment. You have NO BALLS to even challenge me.

teegre
09-03-2016, 01:44 PM
What do you think of this trade?

I love it.

As I was saying above, it essentially costs the Steelers nothing. Yet, there is indeed potential there... even if it's only as a return specialist.

Shoes
09-03-2016, 01:45 PM
This comment is pure stupidity. I mean DHB was signed outright, not traded. And DHB actually had good productive seasons before signing here...as where Gilbert has been a complete Bust! And DHB has never been anything but a good productive citizen. As where Gilbert has had MANY off the field incidents. So please...take your foot out of your mouth before commenting.

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" Suck a ****! ( Seriously ) "

DHB & Gilbert were both 1st round picks, traded or signed makes no difference to me. I think Hue saw talent in Gilbert that didn't fit in Cleveland and wanted to give him a chance where he could have success, even against a division rival. Speaks highly of Hue and the Steelers. Incidentally, you should know what shoe mouth tastes like.

Hawkman
09-03-2016, 01:45 PM
This comment is pure stupidity. I mean DHB was signed outright, not traded. And DHB actually had good productive seasons before signing here...as where Gilbert has been a complete Bust! And DHB has never been anything but a good productive citizen. As where Gilbert has had MANY off the field incidents. So please...take your foot out of your mouth before commenting.

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" Suck a ****! ( Seriously ) "
Ah the TROLL reappears!!

teegre
09-03-2016, 01:48 PM
You don't know me. And what is worse, you haven't the intellect to even make an actual argument against my opinion. Just post a sarcastic " Go away " comment. You have NO BALLS to even challenge me.

I wasn't being sarcastic.

I was actually telling you to "Go away".

Shoes
09-03-2016, 01:49 PM
What a F'ing disgrace this team has become. Tomlin is a PURE Gangsta Lover...plain & simple. Gilbert is nothing more then one of the scumbags who are killing each other on a daily basis in Chicago....nothing more. To give up ANYTHING for this guy is stupid. Let alone the 6th rounder that we did give the Browns.


Might as well change our name to the Pittsburgh " Crips " Cause that's what we basically are!!


GO TRUMP!

steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 01:52 PM
DHB & Gilbert were both 1st round picks, traded or signed makes no difference to me. I think Hue saw talent in Gilbert that didn't fit in Cleveland and wanted to give him a chance where he could have success, even against a division rival. Speaks highly of Hue and the Steelers. Incidentally, you should know what shoe mouth tastes like.





Again, a stupid comment. Of course it matters if it was a signing or a trade. One you give up NOTHING! The other you actually part with a valuable ASSET!! I mean HELLO!!...Mcfly!!


And the other thing is that you are rewarding a player who has shown NOTHING on the field. And has been a CANCER off it...by giving him an automatic roster spot over someone who has actually busted his A S S here in Camp. Please stop with the DHB comparison cause it is not even remotely close.

Hawkman
09-03-2016, 01:52 PM
I wasn't being sarcastic.

I was actually telling you to "Go away".

I'll second that!

SteeleReign
09-03-2016, 01:55 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000349573/article/shazier-camp-talked-to-cowboys-before-steelers-pick
Might as well change your name to "banned."

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stillers4me
09-03-2016, 01:55 PM
Again, a stupid comment. Of course it matters if it was a signing or a trade. One you give up NOTHING! The other you actually part with a valuable ASSET!! I mean HELLO!!...Mcfly!!


And the other thing is that you are rewarding a player who has shown NOTHING on the field. And has been a CANCER off it...by giving him an automatic roster spot over someone who has actually busted his A S S here in Camp. Please stop with the DHB comparison cause it is not even remotely close.

Take a chill pill. Try making your point without being a condescending ass everytime you post and maybe you'll get a better response.

86WARD
09-03-2016, 01:57 PM
Brown's getting rid of him to a division rival and with ability or lack there of of the Steelers to judge CB talent...this sounds promising...lol.

Hawkman
09-03-2016, 01:58 PM
Take a chill pill. Try making your point without being a condescending ass everytime you post and maybe you'll get a better response.


There's a preponderance of that throughout kitty's posts.

steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 02:04 PM
Take a chill pill. Try making your point without being a condescending ass everytime you post and maybe you'll get a better response.





Fine, whatever. Look, you all can like this trade if you want. That is your right. And even though I wish Gilbert luck. His History proves to me that he is a bad character. He is a Ultra SOFT player who avoids contact like Donald Trump avoids women who have NOT had breast implants ( LOL ) He does not fit our style of play. And he is not the type of player I want hanging around our young guys who are good Character guys.

Shoes
09-03-2016, 02:12 PM
Again, a stupid comment. Of course it matters if it was a signing or a trade. One you give up NOTHING! The other you actually part with a valuable ASSET!! I mean HELLO!!...Mcfly!!


And the other thing is that you are rewarding a player who has shown NOTHING on the field. And has been a CANCER off it...by giving him an automatic roster spot over someone who has actually busted his A S S here in Camp. Please stop with the DHB comparison cause it is not even remotely close.

I said it makes no difference to ME. Gilbert has everything you would look for in a CB, including being raw. He also spent two years in Cleveland under two team changes during that time. He'll have a chance to prove himself and I hope he does, for himself and the Steelers.

steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 02:16 PM
I said it makes no difference to ME. Gilbert has everything you would look for in a CB, including being raw. He also spent two years in Cleveland under two team changes during that time. He'll have a chance to prove himself and I hope he does, for himself and the Steelers.



You can always " HOPE " That is true. You can also " HOPE " that Hillary Clinton is not the next President of the United States. But she is!

Shoes
09-03-2016, 02:18 PM
You can always " HOPE " That is true. You can also " HOPE " that Hillary Clinton is not the next President of the United States. But she is!

My hope is filled with faith on both points, there is a difference. :)

SteeleReign
09-03-2016, 02:19 PM
You can always " HOPE " That is true. You can also " HOPE " that Hillary Clinton is not the next President of the United States. But she is!
You're only here to troll. It's obvious.

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Shoes
09-03-2016, 02:21 PM
You're only here to troll. It's obvious.

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He's got some rough edges, but they can be smoothed out, even on an old fart. :chuckle:

SteeleReign
09-03-2016, 02:29 PM
Yeah, but us old farts ain't got time for that! 😉

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Shoes
09-03-2016, 02:29 PM
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Zone cover 2 or 3 will fit him perfect...he was known for turnovers...so route concepts shouldnt be an issue...

SteelerFanInStl
09-03-2016, 02:35 PM
I like the trade. Gilbert has all of the physical tools and a 6th round pick in 2018 is nothing. My only question is, do we have the coaching to bring out the talent in him? I'm guessing that a change in scenery and getting out of Cleveland will do wonders for him.

polamalubeast
09-03-2016, 02:37 PM
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steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 02:38 PM
I like the trade. Gilbert has all of the physical tools and a 6th round pick in 2018 is nothing. My only question is, do we have the coaching to bring out the talent in him? I'm guessing that a change in scenery and getting out of Cleveland will do wonders for him.



A 6th round pick is NOTHING ?....I'm sure both Antonio Brown and Tom Brady would like to argue that point with you.

polamalubeast
09-03-2016, 02:40 PM
A 6th round pick is NOTHING ?....I'm sure both Antonio Brown and Tom Brady would like to argue that point with you.


This is a exception,not the rule!

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SteelerFanInStl
09-03-2016, 02:42 PM
A 6th round pick is NOTHING ?....I'm sure both Antonio Brown and Tom Brady would like to argue that point with you.

I think that you really do come here just to be an ass.

How did our 6th round pick work out this season? Yea, that's right. He was CUT.

Brady and Brown are very much exceptions to the norm for a 6th round pick.

steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 02:59 PM
I think that you really do come here just to be an ass.

How did our 6th round pick work out this season? Yea, that's right. He was CUT.

Brady and Brown are very much exceptions to the norm for a 6th round pick.




Look my son...bottom line is that everyone knew Gilbert's time in Cleveland was done. If you research the Cleveland plains dealer, even a week back their Browns writer was saying Gilbert would be released. And also, Brown & Brady are not just the exceptions...in EVERY NFL draft going back 40 + years...in ALL those drafts there was at least 3-5 players in rounds 6 or below who went on to have ALL PRO Careers. Yes, we can miss on 6th & 7th rounders. But, we also can hit Big on them as well. So why just toss one away on a player who EVERYONE..( Except maybe the Steelers )...knew was going to be cut anyways ?



Bottom line son...you're WRONG!!

SteeleReign
09-03-2016, 03:09 PM
Look my son...bottom line is that everyone knew Gilbert's time in Cleveland was done. If you research the Cleveland plains dealer, even a week back their Browns writer was saying Gilbert would be released. And also, Brown & Brady are not just the exceptions...in EVERY NFL draft going back 40 + years...in ALL those drafts there was at least 3-5 players in rounds 6 or below who went on to have ALL PRO Careers. Yes, we can miss on 6th & 7th rounders. But, we also can hit Big on them as well. So why just toss one away on a player who EVERYONE..( Except maybe the Steelers )...knew was going to be cut anyways ?



Bottom line son...you're WRONG!!
It's a shame you're wasting your time with us when you should be on the Steelers payroll.

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SteelerFanInStl
09-03-2016, 03:15 PM
Look my son...bottom line is that everyone knew Gilbert's time in Cleveland was done. If you research the Cleveland plains dealer, even a week back their Browns writer was saying Gilbert would be released. And also, Brown & Brady are not just the exceptions...in EVERY NFL draft going back 40 + years...in ALL those drafts there was at least 3-5 players in rounds 6 or below who went on to have ALL PRO Careers. Yes, we can miss on 6th & 7th rounders. But, we also can hit Big on them as well. So why just toss one away on a player who EVERYONE..( Except maybe the Steelers )...knew was going to be cut anyways ?

Bottom line son...you're WRONG!!

I'm not your son so you can stop that crap right now. Keep being a condescending ass in all of your posts and you'll just be the latest person to be tossed off of this board.

Gilbert is 6' 200 lbs with 33" arms and ran a 4.37 40 with 20 bench reps at the scouting combine. Mayock called him the "prototype CB for today's NFL". All of the scouts were gushing over him when he came out.

He's still young and still has a chance to become a great player. Because of his extreme physical talent, he's worth the chance. If Cleveland would have cut him, some team would've claimed him on waivers, meaning that the Steelers wouldn't have gotten him.

Considering how the rest of our secondary looks, I'm more than happy to take this chance and give up a 6th round pick in 2 years.

ALLD
09-03-2016, 03:19 PM
Look at it this way, if he doesn't work out we already have another Gilbert on the OL.

steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 03:20 PM
[QUOTE=SteelerFanInStl;556630]

Gilbert is 6' 200 lbs with 33" arms and ran a 4.37 40 with 20 bench reps at the scouting combine.




And all that has absolutely NOTHING to do with being able to play Football!!

SteelerFanInStl
09-03-2016, 03:23 PM
[QUOTE=SteelerFanInStl;556630]

Gilbert is 6' 200 lbs with 33" arms and ran a 4.37 40 with 20 bench reps at the scouting combine.


And all that has absolutely NOTHING to do with being able to play Football!!

Cover corner who rarely allows separation
Capable of shutting down No. 1 receivers
Excellent in bump-and-run
Strong in off man-coverage separation
Can run with receivers in and out of breaks
Very fluid
Loose hips, no problem turning and running
Extremely athletic
Fast
Ball skills
Very good at snatching interceptions
Play-maker, capacity to make clutch game-changing plays
Good tackler
Ideal height, bulk
Solid contributor against the run
Fast feet
Can run with receivers downfield
Adept in zone coverage
Improved his game
Plays with a swagger
Has a No. 1 corner mentality
Kick-return skills
Upside
Good length (33 1/8" arms)
Scheme versatile

The physical skills give him the ability to be better than those without those skills.

To say that physical skills have nothing to do with being able to play football is ridiculous.

86WARD
09-03-2016, 03:27 PM
So Grant "suffered" for this deal...practice squad?

polamalubeast
09-03-2016, 03:35 PM
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st33lersguy
09-03-2016, 04:13 PM
Hmm, not a fan of giving up a draft pick for this guy, I understand that CB depth is needed and there will not be a lot of great talent from the players that get cut, but I don't think this guy has the intangibles needed to succeed in the NFL, and even a 6th round pick in 2018 seems too much for a guy with an attitude problem who had trouble even getting on the field in Cleveland.

st33lersguy
09-03-2016, 04:19 PM
Look my son...bottom line is that everyone knew Gilbert's time in Cleveland was done. If you research the Cleveland plains dealer, even a week back their Browns writer was saying Gilbert would be released. And also, Brown & Brady are not just the exceptions...in EVERY NFL draft going back 40 + years...in ALL those drafts there was at least 3-5 players in rounds 6 or below who went on to have ALL PRO Careers. Yes, we can miss on 6th & 7th rounders. But, we also can hit Big on them as well. So why just toss one away on a player who EVERYONE..( Except maybe the Steelers )...knew was going to be cut anyways ?



Bottom line son...you're WRONG!!

Look I didn't like giving up a 6th rounder either, but do you think you can make a point without sounding inflammatory and condescending? You think you can make a post without trying to get people against you?

Devilsdancefloor
09-03-2016, 04:23 PM
first off i like the trade when you have a merri-go-round as a coaching staff you are just not into it. 2nd can we all be civil? i do think that is to much to ask and calling someone SON is just wrong on so many levels any valid points you made are ruined by this.

j-d-s
09-03-2016, 04:25 PM
Well, at least this trade can't be worse than the trade for Scobee last year :chuckle:.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000349573/article/shazier-camp-talked-to-cowboys-before-steelers-pick


The Steelers, on the other hand, had planned to select cornerback Justin Gilbert (No. 8, Browns) or LSU wide receiver Odell Beckham (No. 12, Giants). Once those players were gone, general manager Kevin Colbert said it was "an easy evaluation" to switch gears and grab the best player on their board.

Woo, could you imagine us having AB and OBJ (and Martavis, if he would've stayed away from pot). Ben would probably pass for 6,000 yards with those receivers...

Mojouw
09-03-2016, 04:51 PM
Fits with recent Steeles player evaluation trends. Lots of guys showing up on the roster that have question marks but just ooze physical upside.

Burns
Davis
Golson
Shadier
Hargreaves
McCullers
DHB
Bryant
Coates
Mettenberger
Tuitt
Shamarko
Dupree

Some work. Some don't. A 6th round pick to get a guy with Gilberts tools? Solid roll of the dice


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Skinart82
09-03-2016, 04:59 PM
Randy Moss was a major question mark due to his attitude when he left Oakland for New England, but then he got into a system that wouldn't put up with it and also had tons of upside, and he wound up with 28 TDs. I think it's a good signing, little risk, possible for lots of reward.

GBMelBlount
09-03-2016, 05:07 PM
first off i like the trade when you have a merri-go-round as a coaching staff you are just not into it. 2nd can we all be civil? i do think that is to much to ask and calling someone SON is just wrong on so many levels any valid points you made are ruined by this.

Exactly.

I can see why someone playing for Cleveland might not be motivated to go to meetings on time. Hopefully being a part of a winning culture will make a difference.

I am pretty excited about this pick as giving up a 6th round pick is a small price to pay for someone who has a lot of potential at our biggest area of need.

As for the "SON" comment, I have to say I have not laughed as hard reading a thread in a while as I have reading this one.

Pure entertainment. lol.

Steeldude
09-03-2016, 05:19 PM
It makes more sense to trade a 6th round pick for Gilbert than to use a 1st round pick on Burns.

At least the Steelers are trying something at CB.

On a different note, keep Gilbert away from Bell and Bryant. Those two are a bad influence.

Psycho Ward 86
09-03-2016, 05:46 PM
not going to get my hopes up too much but i do expect him to be better here with the stability we'll have all around in a winning football environment.

at the very least, were getting a good kick returner i suppose

Shoes
09-03-2016, 05:57 PM
If they all pan out....Boy Howdy!!!!

teegre
09-03-2016, 06:26 PM
Woo, could you imagine us having AB and OBJ

Tomlin tried to trade up for him. The NYGiants asked, "Who are you trading up for?" When the Steelers told them, the NYGiants said: "Hmmm... in that case, we'll just take him."

tube517
09-03-2016, 06:36 PM
not going to get my hopes up too much but i do expect him to be better here with the stability we'll have all around in a winning football environment.

at the very least, were getting a good kick returner i suppose

Just what i was thinking. At least try something to correct the weaknesses we've had. And he had a great history of KR's in college and he was pretty decent even in Stainville.

Even if he can get the ball to the 30-35 for this offense, that would be a great help. I'm seriously tired of starting at the 12.

st33lersguy
09-03-2016, 06:56 PM
If Carnell Lake can get the most out of him and he plays up to his athletic ability and draft status, it will help the defense out tremendously.

ALLD
09-03-2016, 07:28 PM
The Steelers couldn't do any worse drafting a CB in the 6th.

Psycho Ward 86
09-03-2016, 08:14 PM
now the question becomes, where do we play him once he's ready? the outside where h used to be projected at his best? or the slot to appease our needs?

didnt he play a lot of slot for the browns for some reason?

Dwinsgames
09-03-2016, 08:21 PM
This comment is pure stupidity. I mean DHB was signed outright, not traded. And DHB actually had good productive seasons before signing here...as where Gilbert has been a complete Bust! And DHB has never been anything but a good productive citizen. As where Gilbert has had MANY off the field incidents. So please...take your foot out of your mouth before commenting.

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" Suck a ****! ( Seriously ) "

can someone bounce this turd already ?

GRAYGHOST668
09-03-2016, 08:28 PM
well I have read most of the comments,,and did a little research on the youngster,yes he has issues that need to be dealt with,,,he has good size he has a lot of playing time ahead of him if he can get it together,,,,now give this a thought,you are sitting at home waiting on your name to be called and when it is,,,,it is the friggin BROWNS just about the worse team a rookie can land in,,it is a crap team everyone knows it,,,it is hard to give it all to a team that is going no where fast,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

maybe being with a good team is all he needs to turn it around and be the kind of player that he was expected to be..................

Hawkman
09-03-2016, 08:32 PM
can someone bounce this turd already ?

Amen!

steelreserve
09-03-2016, 08:36 PM
This guy could be the best CB on the team if it breaks in our favor. Or, we could get nothing, like you usually do with your 6th-round pick. There is NO downside to this deal, unless he does something off the field that's so stupid it was unbelievable.


Edit: And it sure looks like the troll got what he wanted in this thread. Seriously, just don't even bother responding to people like that, it only encourages them.

T&B fan
09-03-2016, 09:19 PM
9 DAYS

steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 09:48 PM
[QUOTE=steelreserve;556695]This guy could be the best CB on the team if it breaks in our favor.


Yeah right. And Donald Trump COULD become the next National Spokesman for the Feminist movement as well...( LOL )

LLT
09-03-2016, 09:54 PM
He is a project. No one knows what we have here until we get him around older, high character players like DeAngelo Williams and James Harrison who will give it to him straight and would be willing to bring him along IF he is salvageable.

After all....all we have to go by is that he was on the Browns...a team that has made a bust of about 5-6 first round picks since 2012. That has got to be more of an organizational problem with maximizing potential then it is to bad draft picks.

Mojouw
09-03-2016, 09:55 PM
This guy could be the best CB on the team if it breaks in our favor. Or, we could get nothing, like you usually do with your 6th-round pick. There is NO downside to this deal, unless he does something off the field that's so stupid it was unbelievable.


it will take a year at best, but Gilbert, Burns, Davis, Mitchell - that could be the best looking set of starting DBs in the league - at least getting off the bus. If they could all pan out at their original draft rating - oh my.

LLT
09-03-2016, 09:57 PM
[QUOTE=steelerkitty;556695]

Yeah right. And Donald Trump COULD become the next National Spokesman for the Feminist movement as well...( LOL )


That is about your last warning....stop with the condescending remarks or find a new place to haunt.

Shoes
09-03-2016, 09:57 PM
He is a project. No one knows what we have here until we get him around older, high character players like DeAngelo Williams and James Harrison who will give it to him straight and would be willing to bring him along IF he is salvageable.

After all....all we have to go by is that he was on the Browns...a team that has made a bust of about 5-6 first round picks since 2012. That has got to be more of an organizational problem with maximizing potential then it is to bad draft picks.

Hear, hear!

steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 10:09 PM
[QUOTE=LLT;556711]


That is about your last warning....stop with the condescending remarks or find a new place to haunt.



So, he can be insulting towards me...but I can't post a response that is in no way insulting to him. Just one where I think his comment on Gilbert being our best DB was laughable ?

LLT
09-03-2016, 10:16 PM
[QUOTE=steelerkitty;556714]



So, he can be insulting towards me...but I can't post a response that is in no way insulting to him. Just one where I think his comment on Gilbert being our best DB was laughable ?


Looking back at the conversation and you are instigating a flame war. I've already warned one other poster via pm...and...this is NOT up for discussion. Debate with courtesy and if you have a problem with another poster you take it to the mods as the other poster did...not on the general forum.

Hawkman
09-03-2016, 10:26 PM
[QUOTE=steelerkitty;556714]



So, he can be insulting towards me...but I can't post a response that is in no way insulting to him. Just one where I think his comment on Gilbert being our best DB was laughable ?

REALLY??!! You've been insulting to posters all over this board all day long!! I think you're just trying see just what it takes to get banned. I've seen posters get banned for a lot less.

steelerkitty
09-03-2016, 10:32 PM
[QUOTE=LLT;556717]


Looking back at the conversation and you are instigating a flame war. I've already warned one other poster via pm...and...this is NOT up for discussion. Debate with courtesy and if you have a problem with another poster you take it to the mods as the other poster did...not on the general forum.



Okay....


https://media.giphy.com/media/M31G94ayUWQpO/giphy.gif

LLT
09-03-2016, 10:35 PM
[QUOTE=steelerkitty;556719]



Okay....


https://media.giphy.com/media/M31G94ayUWQpO/giphy.gif

and 3...2...1...

That...is how you earn a 7 day vacation.

Hawkman
09-03-2016, 10:47 PM
[QUOTE=steelerkitty;556722]

and 3...2...1...

That...is how you earn a 7 day vacation.

I may be speaking for many, but......Thank you!

Mojouw
09-03-2016, 10:55 PM
For this comment, let us assume that some guys make it into the lineup by about mid season.

Gilbert and Burns outside. Davis and Mitchell at safety. Gay and Golson/Cockerell inside.

chick filet, Timmons, shazier, and Dupree fronted by Heyward, Hargrave, and Tuitt.

You can really start to see a theme here. All these dudes can fly for their positions. Timmons might be the slowest dude outside the front line. It is the next evolution in the "run and hit" defense. Trouble is about half the dudes on that list are raw and totally unproven.

Craic
09-03-2016, 11:11 PM
I wasn't being sarcastic.

I was actually telling you to "Go away".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI4SzEb5tog

Kind of sad, actually, at one point SK was a productive member of this forum—or am I just getting old and senile?

___________________________________

As to the topic of the thread, I love this trade. It feels like a something-for-nothing deal. WE almost never keep sixth round picks (the 1 out of 100 AB picks not included). So, basically, we get a chance to see if the kid can turn his career around with us, and if he can't, well, we lose a camp-body-pick, essentially.

tube517
09-03-2016, 11:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI4SzEb5tog

Kind of sad, actually, at one point SK was a productive member of this forum—or am I just getting old and senile?

___________________________________

As to the topic of the thread, I love this trade. It feels like a something-for-nothing deal. WE almost never keep sixth round picks (the 1 out of 100 AB picks not included). So, basically, we get a chance to see if the kid can turn his career around with us, and if he can't, well, we lose a camp-body-pick, essentially.

By 2018, we'll probably have a comp pick or 2 in that round anyways.

Dwinsgames
09-03-2016, 11:24 PM
[QUOTE=steelerkitty;556722]

and 3...2...1...

That...is how you earn a 7 day vacation.


oh darn just 7 days ... oh well no sense looking a gift horse in the mouth , maybe during that time he will find some place else to torment and decide to stay there ?

silver & black
09-04-2016, 07:09 AM
What a F'ing disgrace this team has become. Tomlin is a PURE Gangsta Lover...plain & simple. Gilbert is nothing more then one of the scumbags who are killing each other on a daily basis in Chicago....nothing more. To give up ANYTHING for this guy is stupid. Let alone the 6th rounder that we did give the Browns.


Might as well change our name to the Pittsburgh " Crips " Cause that's what we basically are!!

I'm not even a Steelers fan, but dude, you are way off the mark!


Edit: I didn't see he was banned, or I wouldn't have commented. Anyway..... I think it was a good deal for you. You basically gave up nothing for a guy that "could" be a productive player down the road, now that he's with a stable franchise. He certainly has the tools.

ALLD
09-04-2016, 07:32 AM
I think Tomlin is getting better as a coach and he is changing personnel strategies instead of trying to stick to 95% drafting and 1 FA signing. per season.

I always preferred Chin over him, but this looks like a low risk trade as long as he doesn't take out a WR during practice. Plus the bonus of dry face-to-face meetings.

LLT
09-04-2016, 07:37 AM
now the question becomes, where do we play him once he's ready? the outside where h used to be projected at his best? or the slot to appease our needs?

didnt he play a lot of slot for the browns for some reason?

In a perfect world...He and Burns would step up and man the outside...with Senquez Golson eventually manning the slot corner.

Gilbert may flourish in a defense that is stronger up front. The Browns defensive linemen were told to wait...and see how the offensive linemen was blocking them...rather than being assigned specific gaps. The linebackers were then asked to wait... guess what technique the defensive lineman was utilizing...and try to scrape through the garbage to make the play.

Any defense predicated on waiting instead of reacting is going to suck like a Hoover. You can only guess how that chaos up front affects the defensive secondary. Without the rest of the defense having any sort of set position responsibility...the secondary doesn't know what area of the field to cover. Is the inside linebacker going to drop back and cover the middle? Does the linebacker have contain on the tight end? When does the cornerback pick up the receiver? Is the corner going to be out of place because the linebackers "read" the defensive lineman and covered the inside and therefore left the receiver or tight end wide open?

Crow-Magnon
09-04-2016, 07:37 AM
I have to wonder why Cleveland (or any team) makes a trade to a division rival. I never understood why you want to make your competition stronger.

But....it is Cleveland!

LLT
09-04-2016, 07:41 AM
I have to wonder why Cleveland (or any team) makes a trade to a division rival. I never understood why you want to make your competition stronger.

But....it is Cleveland!

Good or bad...they are showing their fan base that this is a new regime and they will not be hog-tied by the mistakes of their predecessors

86WARD
09-04-2016, 07:43 AM
I have to wonder why Cleveland (or any team) makes a trade to a division rival. I never understood why you want to make your competition stronger.

But....it is Cleveland!

Unless they are hoping to face Gilbert twice a year...lol.

Crow-Magnon
09-04-2016, 07:48 AM
Good or bad...they are showing their fan base that this is a new regime and they will not be hog-tied by the mistakes of their predecessors

That remains to be seen. The Browns remind me of a fast-food chain that comes out with some new sandwich every six months that flops in the first week. Always trying something new and grabbing for that magic fix year-after-year rather than taking 2-3 years to build a quality, competitive franchise.

Look, you can't get any cheaper than the Bengals. And although they choke every year they get to the post-season like clockwork, I'm sure Browns fans would take that over their team's sub-par and lackluster play. Personally I'd like to see them be a more competitive franchise (except for when they play the Ravens lol), but I have little faith until I see something concrete. Something tells me RGIII isn't the answer.

LLT
09-04-2016, 08:29 AM
That remains to be seen. The Browns remind me of a fast-food chain that comes out with some new sandwich every six months that flops in the first week. Always trying something new and grabbing for that magic fix year-after-year rather than taking 2-3 years to build a quality, competitive franchise.

Look, you can't get any cheaper than the Bengals. And although they choke every year they get to the post-season like clockwork, I'm sure Browns fans would take that over their team's sub-par and lackluster play. Personally I'd like to see them be a more competitive franchise (except for when they play the Ravens lol), but I have little faith until I see something concrete. Something tells me RGIII isn't the answer.

The reason is correct...the result is up for grabs. They are desperately trying to show their fan base that "better things are coming"...but they may just be curing a symptom and not the disease.

Hawkman
09-04-2016, 10:15 AM
First thing I would do with Gilbert, is get him started practicing with kick-off ST. He has really good stats as a return man. Could be effective right away. One ST area where we are really weak.

Psycho Ward 86
09-04-2016, 10:29 AM
In a perfect world...He and Burns would step up and man the outside...with Senquez Golson eventually manning the slot corner.

Gilbert may flourish in a defense that is stronger up front. The Browns defensive linemen were told to wait...and see how the offensive linemen was blocking them...rather than being assigned specific gaps. The linebackers were then asked to wait... guess what technique the defensive lineman was utilizing...and try to scrape through the garbage to make the play.

Any defense predicated on waiting instead of reacting is going to suck like a Hoover. You can only guess how that chaos up front affects the defensive secondary. Without the rest of the defense having any sort of set position responsibility...the secondary doesn't know what area of the field to cover. Is the inside linebacker going to drop back and cover the middle? Does the linebacker have contain on the tight end? When does the cornerback pick up the receiver? Is the corner going to be out of place because the linebackers "read" the defensive lineman and covered the inside and therefore left the receiver or tight end wide open?

the potential of that group of cornerbacks is salivating.

And was Jim O'Neil's defense really that stupid? Serious question, my god. ive heard some shit about it but thats a whole different level of dumb

Mojouw
09-04-2016, 10:37 AM
the potential of that group of cornerbacks is salivating.

And was Jim O'Neil's defense really that stupid? Serious question, my god. ive heard some shit about it but thats a whole different level of dumb

Ive heard that Oneil was totally out of his depth from scheme to tactics to positioning. Just a horror show of bad.

I read this this as a new regime in Cleveland cleaning house of all the previous guys. Desir got cut. That injured slot CB got cut. Gilbert gets traded.

One further thought. It would be 2017 season free agents that lead to 2018 comp picks? So this, the Williams signing, the overall cap, etc. COULD mean that Timmons and Wheaton are as good as gone. If they get comp picks for those two the loss of a 6th is not going to be noticed.

polamalubeast
09-04-2016, 10:52 AM
the potential of that group of cornerbacks is salivating.

And was Jim O'Neil's defense really that stupid? Serious question, my god. ive heard some shit about it but thats a whole different level of dumb

Yes Jim O'Neil is very stupid.

One example was last year against us, Landry Jones had started the game, but after Jones got injured and it was Roethlisberger who was the backup and O'Neil had made no adjustment when Roethlisberger was in the game and our WR was often one on one against their CB!

It was such a stupid gameplan! Roethlisberger had around 270 yards in the first half despite having no practice in the week!

Steelersfan
09-04-2016, 11:35 AM
Now that SK is on vacation, I'll respond:

I see alot of yinz discouraged by the trade and a lot of yinz talking about Gilbert not having the skills (potential) to be a starting CB or an outside CB. There is a HUGE misconception in most of the opinions. First, if you know & understand NFL 53 man rosters, particularly the way the Steelers manage their 53 man roster, you'll know the 4th/5th CB is usually kept more for Special Teams skills versus CB skills. There is a rare occasion you have a young stud that plays ST well but has great upside as a CB.

The Browns drafted Gilbert #1 to be an outside future franchise shutdown CB. That has been a fail. The Steelers traded (almost nothing) for Gilbert to upgrade the last CB spot (#5) on the 53 man roster as a special teamer & hopefully hardly (rarely) needed CB depth. There is a huge difference in what the Steelers acquired Gilbert to be vs what the Browns drafted him for.

Steelers 53 man roster need:

Gunner on special teams = Check
KR returner on special teams = Check
Better physical skills and/or at least equal CB skills than your current #5 CB = Check (seeing that Grant got cut, they must think so)
Young, cheap & a slight possibility for more upside = Check

Yinz that are debating about Gilbert starting on the outside or being a 1st injury replacement depth are missing the real intention of the trade.

Is Gilbert a better option than the #5 CB that was currently on the roster at the time of the trade??? Absolutely!!!

Then it was an excellent move!!!

The Cleveland fans posting remarks like """Steeler Fans are on "crack" if they think they can turn Gilbert around""" are fans not understanding an NFL roster, football in general OR they need to stay away from the bong. That wasn't the Steelers need, intention or expectation. Gilbert ever being anything more than I stated above is a bonus.

LLT
09-04-2016, 11:54 AM
Now that SK is on vacation, I'll respond:

I see alot of yinz discouraged by the trade and a lot of yinz talking about Gilbert not having the skills (potential) to be a starting CB or an outside CB. There is a HUGE misconception in most of the opinions. First, if you know & understand NFL 53 man rosters, particularly the way the Steelers manage their 53 man roster, you'll know the 4th/5th CB is usually kept more for Special Teams skills versus CB skills. There is a rare occasion you have a young stud that plays ST well but has great upside as a CB.

The Browns drafted Gilbert #1 to be an outside future franchise shutdown CB. That has been a fail. The Steelers traded (almost nothing) for Gilbert to upgrade the last CB spot (#5) on the 53 man roster as a special teamer & hopefully hardly (rarely) needed CB depth. There is a huge difference in what the Steelers acquired Gilbert to be vs what the Browns drafted him for.

Steelers 53 man roster need:

Gunner on special teams = Check
KR returner on special teams = Check
Better physical skills and/or at least equal CB skills than your current #5 CB = Check (seeing that Grant got cut, they must think so)
Young, cheap & a slight possibility for more upside = Check

Yinz that are debating about Gilbert starting on the outside or being a 1st injury replacement depth are missing the real intention of the trade.

Is Gilbert a better option than the #5 CB that was currently on the roster at the time of the trade??? Absolutely!!!

Then it was an excellent move!!!

The Cleveland fans posting remarks like """Steeler Fans are on "crack" if they think they can turn Gilbert around""" are fans not understanding an NFL roster, football in general OR they need to stay away from the bong. That wasn't the Steelers need, intention or expectation. Gilbert ever being anything more than I stated above is a bonus.

Though I do agree with your assessment that they are going to initially use Gilbert on ST's (probably as a returner) and as a 4th CB (since Golson is IR and Davis is technically a safety) , I do think that the front office holds out "some" hope that they can either fix him or motivate him.

Can they? Who knows. time will tell if Golbert's failings are his own or because he was on a terrible team with a mind blowingly asinine defensive philosophy.

*One a side note....I do think there is a chance that they bring Grant back once golson has been on the 53 man roster long enough to be designated properly

Mojouw
09-04-2016, 01:57 PM
Though I do agree with your assessment that they are going to initially use Gilbert on ST's (probably as a returner) and as a 4th CB (since Golson is IR and Davis is technically a safety) , I do think that the front office holds out "some" hope that they can either fix him or motivate him.

Can they? Who knows. time will tell if Golbert's failings are his own or because he was on a terrible team with a mind blowingly asinine defensive philosophy.

*One a side note....I do think there is a chance that they bring Grant back once golson has been on the 53 man roster long enough to be designated properly

I agree with both you and Steelersfan. I think that the trade has to be evaluated on what did the front office give up to get a 4/5th corner and return guy. Basically they gave up the equivalent of a bag of used footballs. To those that say, well he could have been had for nothing a day later. Not true. Who knows how the waiver process would have went down. Basically the Steelers went out and got their guy for the cost of basically nothing.

I see and totally agree with the argument that not much should or can be expected from Gilbert this year - sounds like he has to spend at least a season learning how to be a grown up football player. But I do think that there is a version of all of this patchwork assembling of a secondary that the front office is really hoping breaks the way they want. Colbert may be down at the crossroads right now making another "deal".

I truly believe that they hope their top 3 outside corners are Gilbert, Burn, and Cockerell. All have long arms, height, and speed. The current blueprint for "shut-down" corners. Basically dudes you line up against a WR and say "follow him all day". Then you have Gay and Golson to take the shiftier inside guys. Then Mitchell, Davis, Thomas, Dangerfield, Golden, etc are free to be football seeking headhunters across the middle.

Steelers have a new "type for CB's - tall, long, and fast (no longer seem as concerned with whether or not they can tackle in run support) and another type for safeties - big, fast, and like to hit things.

GBMelBlount
09-04-2016, 02:12 PM
The Good, Bad & Ugly of the Justin Gilbert Trade

Alex Kozora

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/09/good-bad-ugly-justin-gilbert-trade/

43Hitman
09-04-2016, 02:25 PM
I personally love the trade. You get a solid ST contributor for a sixth round pick with the possibility of having a starter at CB. Solid move in my opinion. The front office as usual is doing its due diligence and making this squad better.

Dwinsgames
09-04-2016, 02:36 PM
Though I do agree with your assessment that they are going to initially use Gilbert on ST's (probably as a returner) and as a 4th CB (since Golson is IR and Davis is technically a safety) , I do think that the front office holds out "some" hope that they can either fix him or motivate him.

Can they? Who knows. time will tell if Golbert's failings are his own or because he was on a terrible team with a mind blowingly asinine defensive philosophy.

*One a side note....I do think there is a chance that they bring Grant back once golson has been on the 53 man roster long enough to be designated properly

the other issue with the otherwise very good post is ...

he isnt " on the cheap" he is quite a bit more expensive than Grant he is on his rookie deal as the 8th over all selection vs rookie deal of the mid round selection ..Gilbert is on the hook for a fully guaranteed deal that pays him nearly 800k this year and over 2 mil next year where opposed to Doran Grant those numbers where considerably less ... that being said the upside of Gilbert and his ST ability more than makes up for the $$'s

LloydWoodson
09-04-2016, 03:25 PM
I think you must all be old and senile haha.

Getting suspended for "OK whatever"? Really?

I can't eally be offended by anything or anyone and I love to talk trash. I can't begin to understand message board censorship as in I literally don't see a point.

Dwinsgames
09-04-2016, 03:35 PM
I think you must all be old and senile haha.

Getting suspended for "OK whatever"? Really?

I can't eally be offended by anything or anyone and I love to talk trash. I can't begin to understand message board censorship as in I literally don't see a point.

to be fair go read all his posts , everything he has posted has been condescending , rude , flame bait etc he got warned about it and wanted to argue the point , got a final warning then insulted the person who warned them ( when that person already had had enough ) so to me it wasnt the " whatever" if was everything that led up to the whatever .... he was basically thrown a lifeline and he cut his own rope

hawaiiansteeler
09-04-2016, 04:48 PM
Unless they are hoping to face Gilbert twice a year...lol.

http://orig05.deviantart.net/4e8e/f/2012/121/a/4/trojan_horse___color_by_jacktzekov-d4y7ly9.jpg

fansince'76
09-04-2016, 04:50 PM
Kind of sad, actually, at one point SK was a productive member of this forum—or am I just getting old and senile?


No, he's never had anything valuable, productive or interesting to say. You must have him confused with somebody else.

Dwinsgames
09-04-2016, 05:01 PM
No, he's never had anything valuable, productive or interesting to say. You must have him confused with somebody else.
kittyfish would be my guess , easy to confuse did it myself at first

silver & black
09-04-2016, 06:03 PM
The reason is correct...the result is up for grabs. They are desperately trying to show their fan base that "better things are coming"...but they may just be curing a symptom and not the disease.

In your opinion, what is the disease? I'm asking because my team has gone through similar "things" over the last 13 years. We "seem" to be coming out of "it"..... but, that remains to be seen. I live very close to Cleveland, so I know what's up with the state of the team and how the fans think. Personally, I don't think the problem is anything that can't be fixed. It just remains to be seen IF it will be fixed.

BigNastyDefense
09-04-2016, 06:22 PM
Living in Cleveland, I've seen a good amount of the Gilbert saga.

Off the field - as in not at the facility, he hasn't really been a problem. But when it came to the Browns facility, he was constantly late to meetings and whatnot, and from what I've read basically didn't want to be a Cleveland Brown.

On that front, I can't blame him. The defensive coordinator was a joke. There was practically no talent in the front 7, so the defensive backs had to cover all day. Combine that with the fact that he would rather be on any other team, and you'll get what Cleveland got from him. The only players on that team that you could say hold any weight are Joe Thomas and Joe Haden. Not exactly a locker room that's going to keep a guy who doesn't want to be there in line

In Pittsburgh, you've got Harrison, Heyward, Mitchell, Timmons, and Gay just on the defense. Not to mention Shazier and Tuitt also on that side of the ball

On offense you've got Ben, Brown, DeCastro, Williams, DHB, among others.

You've got a team that actually respects its head coach, coordinators, and position coaches. You couldn't say that in Cleveland.

If there was anywhere he could go and get his head screwed on straight when it comes to being a professional football player, Pittsburgh is one of the best places to land. Of course, it's on him to change his attitude and do what needs to be done to resurrect his career. But he's got a better shot of it here than he ever did in Cleveland.

As for trading a sixth round pick for a guy everyone was sure was going to be cut - someone would have grabbed him on waivers, and they would have probably had higher priority than us. Cleveland is a front office hoarding as many draft picks as possible because they know there's not much talent overall on the team, so they took another draft pick for a guy they would have gotten nothing for. I think they know if he does anything at CB for the Steelers this year it either won't be until late in the season OR we've been ravaged by injuries at the position and are forced to start him. I think they know the potential, but don't feel that he can reach it, so let him go to a division rival - worst case scenario he turns it around, best case they cut him during the season because he cannot be helped.

He's going to be a gunner and return guy for us probably immediately. Cleveland couldn't justify keeping him just for ST at the position they drafted him at, and they were also clearing out guys that other regimes had picked (as much as possible) so they can get guys Hue Jackson wants on the roster.

If we get an average starting position of the 35 on kickoff, an average of 12 yards on punt returns, and some good ST tackles from him - he will be well worth the 6th rounder. And if they can get him to reach near his potential at CB, something that I'm not going to completely count on happening but think there's a slight possibility it can, then he will be a steal.

StillCurtains
09-04-2016, 06:36 PM
Hello guys!

Been gone for awhile but here is my take.
Gilbert is a guy that comes with a number of red flags as we all know. He has had attitude problems, lack of motivation, and a road rage incident to name a few.

The truth is this is a wait and see and hope for the best type of ordeal. I have nothing to do but hope that a change of scenary helps the kid. In Cleveland there is drastic change almost every year from coaching on down. This is a franchise that lacks patience and expects immediate results overnight.

They have not had a winning culture in quite some time now. You can also say on observation for a good number of years that it really has not had a locker room of togetherness. For some young players coming into the league, it can be tough to have proper development in a weak locker room where only several players support each other. It makes it even worse when there is losing on top of it.

I'm not making excuses for Gilbert, but it can very well be the case. I think many may have forgotten that Jerome Bettis' character was very much in question by the Ram's organization before the trade. They lacked a strong family oriented locker room and winning culture as well! Look how things turned out for Jerome as well as the Steelers.

This is a winning culture and atmosphere with a strong family oriented locker room. I'm not saying things will turn out the same for Gilbert as for Bettis, but the hope is that maybe the change can help him be at least productive. The thing now for the Steelers is that Golson will be out until at least week 6.

There is a lack of depth behind Gay and Cockrell. Burns is already banged up, so something had to be done for depth. I realize that Grant was cut, and I do like the guy but I don't think it can be argued that he lacks talent. Over the years the organization drafted smart system players in the backfield such as Townsend, Gay and McFadden to name a few and covering their weaknesses with a highly talented Troy to pick up the slack.

I like the guys mentioned above, but they are all average in talent. Troy is not here no more and the league is passing more and more every day. The most talented guy we had at that time was Ike who had a flaw with bad hands. I feel that Gay is an asset to the corp as his knowledge and mentorship is needed. However, without a Troy in his prime in the backfield, we can no longer afford to have a backfield full of serviceable system players that lack talent.

You now have to have corners that make QB's concerned about being accurate or it could be a pick, not just the catch being tackled or at worst knocked down. The past several seasons this team has been at the bottom of the league in pass defense using seviceable system backfield players only. I have to give them credit for attempting to match the talent in the backfield that they have in their front 7.

It seems that the front office is starting to realize that tackling the catch does you no good when the tackle still resulted in a 1st down or TD. Cockrell, Golson, Burns and Gilbert all have talent and ball skills with 3 of the 4 having the size and all 4 good atheletic and leaping ability. This will come in handy with teams attempting to run fade patterns.

Yes, I do realize their tackling needs alot of work and I truly hope they can improve in that area. However, I very much would rather have corners who have strengths in coverage and defending the pass and have their tackling be secondary to that.

Also, anyone that has an issue with the trade, you have a right to your opinion. The one thing I can say is with the situation that the Steelers were in due to injury, What would you suggest should have been done? If you're really upset about losing a 6th round pick, then name some 6th round picks by the Steelers besides AB that have truly been a difference. You're not going to get Patrick Peterson in a trade for a 6th round pick.

The lack of productive Steeler 6th round picks is evident that this would be trending more toward high reward than high risk. The truth is that the Steelers really are not losing anything if he doesn't pan out. Also, I think I can take my chances of having Gilbert on the field than the nightmare with Blake. The truth is that even if Gilbert is not performing well, he still has the talent and potential that exist that he can possibly turn it around. With Blake, what you see is what you're going to get.

Hawkman
09-04-2016, 08:00 PM
I think you must all be old and senile haha.

Getting suspended for "OK whatever"? Really?

I can't eally be offended by anything or anyone and I love to talk trash. I can't begin to understand message board censorship as in I literally don't see a point.

So maybe this isn't the board for you either.....

Steeldude
09-04-2016, 11:56 PM
I think you must all be old and senile haha.

Getting suspended for "OK whatever"? Really?

I can't eally be offended by anything or anyone and I love to talk trash. I can't begin to understand message board censorship as in I literally don't see a point.

It has more to do with his prior posts along with the condescending attitude when being warned. I think it was the meme he added below his post, not just the words "Ok whatever".

I am probably the most tolerant person on here when it comes to people like Steelerkitty, but he was getting rather insulting lately. If it was up to other people he would have been banned a long time ago, but the mods looked at it objectively. He says things in a rough manner, but as long as he doesn't insult people it was ok.

This is a far better group of mods than the jokes at Steelers Fever. If you didn't agree with the SF mods you were banned or attacked my the childish clique that infected the site. Haha.

I am tired. I have no idea of that made sense or not. : )

Hawkman
09-05-2016, 12:03 AM
It has more to do with his prior posts along with the condescending attitude when being warned. I think it was the meme he added below his post, not just the words "Ok whatever".

I am probably the most tolerant person on here when it comes to people like Steelerkitty, but he was getting rather insulting lately. If it was up to other people he would have been banned a long time ago, but the mods looked at it objectively. He says things in a rough manner, but as long as he doesn't insult people it was ok.

This is a far better group of mods than the jokes at Steelers Fever. If you didn't agree with the SF mods you were banned or attacked my the childish clique that infected the site. Haha.

I am tired. I have no idea of that made sense or not. : )

You did well. :yup:

BlackAndGold
09-05-2016, 10:23 AM
Gilbert will wear #24.

Guess that means Grant's time as a Steeler is over.

Dwinsgames
09-05-2016, 11:03 AM
Gilbert will wear #24.

Guess that means Grant's time as a Steeler is over.


he ( Grant) was beat like a drum preseason wk 4 vs 2nd , 3rd team guys and future burger flippers , so yes he is probably done here and rightfully so

polamalubeast
09-05-2016, 12:56 PM
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stillers4me
09-05-2016, 01:03 PM
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Bluecoat96
09-05-2016, 01:07 PM
772855689047932943
Translation: Thank God I'm out of that shit hole.

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polamalubeast
09-05-2016, 02:36 PM
Gilbert will wear #24.

Guess that means Grant's time as a Steeler is over.


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pczach
09-05-2016, 03:23 PM
Translation: Thank God I'm out of that shit hole.

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Yeah, I think you summed it up pretty well!

You could almost feel him saying exactly what you posted while reading his quote.

:lol:

GRAYGHOST668
09-05-2016, 03:44 PM
I sure hope he pans out,before he was drafted he had a lot of potential to be a great CB,,,but a team like the Browns can suck the life out of almost anyone

hawaiiansteeler
09-05-2016, 04:14 PM
Translation: Thank God I'm out of that shit hole.



Gilbert is so happy he doesn't have to wear that ugly helmet anymore...

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/nflbrrrrrn.jpg

sactownsteeler
09-06-2016, 11:23 AM
Been awhile since I posted on here but this thread really has me scratching my head...first off when he was drafted he was a top 20 prospect and arguably the top corner in that years draft. His measurable were off the chart and he already had character issues in college but he's not a criminal. He wasn't motivated in Clevelandand honestly who would be....if he lives up to his natural ability this could be the best trade in franchise history and if he doesn't work out then we lost a 6th Rd pick 2 years from now and outside of Brown there are not too many solid picks in that round in our history. Yes I know Vince and Chickillo were but they are decent back ups Gilbert could potentially be an all pro. I'm stating we haven't and most teams aren't great in the 6th Rd they are cheap gambles and I would gladly trade 6 of our picks from back to 2010 for him in that round.
He is simply a kid that was probably the best athlete growing up and was spoiled and never had to earn or work for anything and just didn't grow up and hopefully with an ego blow like this he becomes what everyone thought he would be pretty draft analysis. Think about it you were drafted 8th overall and traded away for garbage 2yrs away and would've been cut if not for Pittsburgh stepping in.
If you strictly look at potential he is the best overall prospect on this team at CB. Plus he is pretty much the best KR which we have sucked at for some time and wasted a 3rd Rd pick on Archer to fix....so tell me you wouldn't trade those two all day every day???? If he doesn't liver up to his DB opportunity at least we upgraded our KR issues at worst case scenario.

Mojouw
09-06-2016, 07:25 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/09/06/report-eagles-trade-eric-rowe-to-patriots-for-josh-kline/

2018 4 that moves to 3 based on performance for Eric Rowe (I think the player got pulled from the deal) or a 2018 6 for a better athlete in Gilbert?

What is the criticism again? I mean both guys might stink, but the Steelers bet has a potentially better payoff.

Rara
09-06-2016, 07:36 PM
I'm still excited about the trade! Can't wait to see Gilbert shine in this defense!

salamander
09-06-2016, 09:06 PM
Sometimes, all a guy needs is a change of scenery. Hopefully coming here will only motivate him to work all that much harder.

hawaiiansteeler
09-27-2016, 12:57 AM
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BlackAndGold
09-27-2016, 01:31 AM
William Gay, Cockrell, and first round pick Burns. That's why Boykin.


The team trusted Blake over you. And if you weren't placed on IR, you probably wouldn't be on a team.

tube517
09-27-2016, 07:28 AM
Hopefully, they at least get Gilbert in there for Kick returns. Coates isn't a KR and neither is Frenchy.

Steeldude
09-27-2016, 07:45 AM
Can't wait to see Gilbert when they let him play in game 14.