Projecting future Hall of Famers for all 32 NFL teams

[polamalubeast]

Pittsburgh Steelers

1 to 10 percent: Le'Veon Bell was arguably the best running back in football in 2014. He was ineffective and injured in 2013 and hurt for most of 2015. If that 2014 version comes back for a sustained run, Bell has the talent and the supporting cast to be a Hall of Fame-caliber back. ... David DeCastro deserved a Pro Bowl nod in 2014 but finally got his first call in 2015.

James Harrison had a five-year run as one of the most terrifying defenders in all of football, making five consecutive Pro Bowls and winning a Defensive Player of the Year award. He was a backup for the five preceding seasons and has been a middling rotation linebacker for the four succeeding campaigns. He has 76.5 career sacks; for a player who was primarily a pass-rusher, that doesn't seem like enough to justify a Hall of Fame berth. 25 percent

Maurkice Pouncey is only being held back by injuries; he has missed almost two full seasons with serious knee and leg damage. His four other seasons have produced four Pro Bowls and two first-team All-Pro appearances. If Pouncey recovers from the serious infections which prevented him from coming back last year, he should regain his title as the AFC's best center. 35 percent


Antonio Brown is one of the toughest people to slap a number on for this piece. He has been incredible over the past three seasons -- so incredible that it's basically unprecedented -- but he's still so young that he can't be considered a lock for the Hall. Brown's not in the top 100 in receptions or receiving yards, although he should get there this season. Brown is on a Hall of Fame career path, but if things went south quickly, I don't know that he has done enough to guarantee anything as of yet. Of course, if what Brown has done isn't enough, I don't think anybody outside of J.J. Watt could have locked things up this quickly. 80 percent

Ben Roethlisberger will make the Hall of Fame unless there is a serious re-evaluation of his off-field behavior. 90 percent


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[ALLD]

Limas Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!

[Rotorhead]

I doubt Heath and Ward will make it, even though Ward literally changed the game and Heath was one of the best blocking TE's ever. Not enough stats for them unfortunately.

[Born2Steel]

Ben will definitely be in the HoF. First ballot most likely too. 100%

Not sure any of the rest of the team have been there long enough to even be considered. Timmons has been a good player, but HoF? If a current LB goes from this team it will be James.

Question...do they have to be current players? TP43 will be there also, 100%.

[polamalubeast]

Ben will definitely be in the HoF. First ballot most likely too. 100%

Not sure any of the rest of the team have been there long enough to even be considered. Timmons has been a good player, but HoF? If a current LB goes from this team it will be James.

Question...do they have to be current players? TP43 will be there also, 100%.

yes...And I think Brown will be a HOF if he continue.

[Butch]

While I agree that Ben should be 1st ballot, I would not be surprised to see him snubbed at least once if not more. These are the same people who refuse to put in L.C. Greenwood and Donnie Shell, both of whom should have been in the hall a LOOOONG time ago. Look how long it took John Stallworth and Lynn Swann to get in.

Ben only lost 1 game his 1st year and his only loss was to a team that had clearly cheated. The HOF panel will focus not on those facts, but will say that we had a great Defense. I say if that was the case how come Tommy Maddox couldn't get it done the year before? The very next year Ben led the team that barely even made the playoffs and had one incredible playoff run. This will be over looked because he had such a horrible Super bowl performance. His game winning drive in 43 was worthy of MVP considerations and he also led the team back in Super bowl 45, but we lost.

The reason I doubt Ben will be 1st ballot is, despite all his worthy accomplishments he never gets mentioned with the top tier QBs, many of whom IMHO have not proven to be as clutch as Ben but have stats. As Chuck Noll once said "Stats are for losers", I'll take Ben any day over the likes of Rivers, Brees or even Eli who have all been ranked over Ben many times by the so called experts. The lack of respect is damn near laughable and all you hear is how he needs to win at least one more Super bowl to solidify his election into the HOF. Even if he does win another I would not be surprised if he is not elected 1st ballot. Ben has never gotten the respect he deserves and it's not just from the outside even Steeler fans themselves have not respected what he has done.

Eli has gotten more respect than Ben despite having a Really good defense. The year he went to his 1st Super bowl fans (at one point), were so disappointed in him they were throwing his jerseys on the field in disgust and he needed police escorts to and from the feild. If there was a team whose Defense bailed him out it was the Giants that year, yet Eli is considered better than Ben.

If there is one player who will be a 1st ballot HOFer it will be AB. So far he is doing all the right things, making a name for himself and getting love from the press. I agree that it is still to early in his career, but as long as he stays on the path he is on now he will be a shoe in.

[86WARD]

Ben is a first ballot Hall of Famer but he will get snubbed a few times by the media because he's not the face of ESPN and not a Peyton Manning media darling.

[Mojouw]

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[Drazo85]

Ben is a first ballot Hall of Famer but he will get snubbed a few times by the media because he's not the face of ESPN and not a Peyton Manning media darling.
I really don't care when he is going to get into HOF, as long as he give us a ring or two. Thats all that matters. Screw HOF, Steelers allready own that building.

[polamalubeast]

I really don't care when he is going to get into HOF, as long as he give us a ring or two. Thats all that matters. Screw HOF, Steelers allready own that building.



The HOF is the best honor a player can receive.I am very happy when a player of the steelers is in the HOF and I hope to see players like Hines Ward at the HOF someday.Same for Polamalu, but he is a lock, Ben is almost a lock and Antonio Brown is likely to be there if he continues and he remains healthy.

I hope Polamalu and Ben will be a first ballot HOF too.

[Mojouw]

Not sure Ben gets in on the first ballot without another ring. His career numbers are not that great compared to the other "top" Qb's of his era.

If Ben is first ballot, then Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Carson Palmer are also 1st ballot guys. And Matt Ryan is on pace to make a case as well.

See where I am going with this? Now, if the HOF selectors take in to account style of play, intangibles, etc - then Roethlisberger can begin to separate himself a bit from that clump of contemporaries. Since no one really knows what the HOF is actually based on -- then if Ben really wants in on the first ballot he better get another ring and have several more seasons like 2014.

[polamalubeast]

Not sure Ben gets in on the first ballot without another ring. His career numbers are not that great compared to the other "top" Qb's of his era.

If Ben is first ballot, then Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Carson Palmer are also 1st ballot guys. And Matt Ryan is on pace to make a case as well.

See where I am going with this? Now, if the HOF selectors take in to account style of play, intangibles, etc - then Roethlisberger can begin to separate himself a bit from that clump of contemporaries. Since no one really knows what the HOF is actually based on -- then if Ben really wants in on the first ballot he better get another ring and have several more seasons like 2014.



The effectiveness of Roethlisberger in his career has been much better than Eli Manning and Romo, Rivers, Ryan and Palmer have 0 participation in the Super Bowl and only 3 AFC / NFC title game combined.Possible that Roethlisberger is not a first ballot HOF, but Ben has a better career than the other 4 QB.


An MVP or a another Super Bowl appearance should be enough to be a First ballot HOF for Ben.

[Drazo85]

The HOF is the best honor a player can receive.I am very happy when a player of the steelers is in the HOF and I hope to see players like Hines Ward at the HOF someday.Same for Polamalu, but he is a lock, Ben is almost a lock and Antonio Brown is likely to be there if he continues and he remains healthy.

I hope Polamalu and Ben will be a first ballot HOF too.

Ben is a Hall of Famer, so is Troy, Antonio and hopefully Hines, but being a Hall of Famer is individual award. Sure, they will mention their teammates, some of them by name, but in end of the day its a individual thing. Rings aren't. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching Jerome's last year ceremony and I was glad it happened for him. But watching him win that superbowl in his hometown, in last game of his career, that was special. I'm sure Jerome would tell you that being elected into the HOF without him wining that ring wouldn't be so special as it was. So for me being a HoF can only mean two things-Consolation prize for those who didn't won a ring, and a cherry on top of the cake for those who did.

[polamalubeast]

Ben is a Hall of Famer, so is Troy, Antonio and hopefully Hines, but being a Hall of Famer is individual award. Sure, they will mention their teammates, some of them by name, but in end of the day its a individual thing. Rings aren't. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching Jerome's last year ceremony and I was glad it happened for him. But watching him win that superbowl in his hometown, in last game of his career, that was special. I'm sure Jerome would tell you that being elected into the HOF without him wining that ring wouldn't be so special as it was. So for me being a HoF can only mean two things-Consolation prize for those who didn't won a ring, and a cherry on top of the cake for those who did.

53 players per year wins the super bowl.Only 5-8 players per year goes to the HOF.I prefer the career of Dan Marino than that of Trent Dilfer.Not true that Marino or Barry Sanders would trade their HOF career to only one super bowl.

Of course, you always want to win the Super Bowl, but the HOF is the biggest prize for a player.

[teegre]

Why didn't BB win the MVP for XLIII?

That answer is also why BB won't be a "first-ballot" HOFer.

[86WARD]

Not sure Ben gets in on the first ballot without another ring. His career numbers are not that great compared to the other "top" Qb's of his era.

If Ben is first ballot, then Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Carson Palmer are also 1st ballot guys. And Matt Ryan is on pace to make a case as well.

See where I am going with this? Now, if the HOF selectors take in to account style of play, intangibles, etc - then Roethlisberger can begin to separate himself a bit from that clump of contemporaries. Since no one really knows what the HOF is actually based on -- then if Ben really wants in on the first ballot he better get another ring and have several more seasons like 2014.

I don't get where you are going with that? Other than Eli, the others don't compare at all.

[Mojouw]

I don't get where you are going with that? Other than Eli, the others don't compare at all.

Noodling around with PFR stats. They are not really that different.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_career.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_career.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

So without the rings, where does the line get drawn? Is Rivers a HOF QB? Not sure. Palmer? I don't really think so. Matt Ryan? Certainly Not. Romo - again not really. That leaves Eli and Ben. Is two rings each enough to separate from those others? Played in the same era. Similar stats.

[polamalubeast]

Noodling around with PFR stats. They are not really that different.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_career.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_td_career.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

So without the rings, where does the line get drawn? Is Rivers a HOF QB? Not sure. Palmer? I don't really think so. Matt Ryan? Certainly Not. Romo - again not really. That leaves Eli and Ben. Is two rings each enough to separate from those others? Played in the same era. Similar stats.


Roethlisberger has a big advantage on the passing rating over Eli.

[Mojouw]

Roethlisberger has a big advantage on the passing rating over Eli.

And he is most assuredly the superior NFL QB. Not really even close. But after they all retire and all that is left is the #'s on the page - it is going to be hard to separate some of these guys.

Look at the current and impending log-jam at the WR position. Many really good to borderline great players are not going to get in for several ballots, if at all, because they do not have the eye popping #'s of their contemporaries.

[polamalubeast]

And he is most assuredly the superior NFL QB. Not really even close. But after they all retire and all that is left is the #'s on the page - it is going to be hard to separate some of these guys.

Look at the current and impending log-jam at the WR position. Many really good to borderline great players are not going to get in for several ballots, if at all, because they do not have the eye popping #'s of their contemporaries.

Since the middle of the 2014 season, Roethlisberger is on fire in yards per games.Last year he had almost 4,000 yards in just 12 games!I think Roethlisberger will continue to be dominant in this area and I hope he will have more TD than in 2015.

In the other 4 QB you have named, only Eli Manning can be a HOF right now.Unless to be one of the best QB in history in stats like Favre, Marino or Peyton Manning, you need to win to win the Super Bowl and you have to have very good stats.

Eli and Ben has both.This is not the case for Rivers,Ryan and Romo.

[Butch]

Let's face it the HOF is as political as it gets, hence the statement from peter king (the driving voter for this panel or at least the voice they seem to follow), that he doesn't want to see a wing of the hall dedicated to the Steelers so players like L.C. Greenwood and Donnie Shell are not in the hall.

To compare those other guys to Ben is Laughable, only Eli is comparable, and the only one from that list that will most likely make the hall. None of those other guys have done anything remarkable or proven to be Clutch in tough situations. While it is not impossible to make it to the hall without a ring as a QB, it is not easy. You have to prove that you stand head and shoulders above your peers. What have those others done to be worthy of such honors? Ben has been to 3 and won 2. I think a lot of Steeler fans think it's no big deal to make it to the Super bowl don't kid yourselves it's not easy. Hell he had to beat the ravens (on the way to 43), who have a defense that is very comparable to ours, colts in Indy, and the broc ho's in Denver to get to 40. Someone may mention that Ben played like crap in his 1st Super bowl and that's true, but if it wasn't for his passing in the playoffs we wouldn't have been there. playing every game on the road. Someone may mention that he had Great defenses and he did, but if that's all it took then why couldn't Maddox do it before him? Here's a little tid bit for ya. Ben beat the ravens in the playoffs 2ce something shady brady couldn't do.

I don't think any other QB in all of time has done it the way Ben does. Ask any Defender who has played him and they will tell you how frustrating it is to have him in the clutches only to have him get away and throw for a 1st down or even a Touchdown, nothing could be more demoralizing. Ben could have easily been the MVP of 43, his passing in the clutch and the pump fake were classic Ben. Ben takes the hits and he gets back up he doesn't sit on the sideline even though nobody would blame him if he did. Ben has thrown 5 touchdowns in 1/2 a game, was the 1st to throw for over 500 yards twice (that's ahead of both manning and shady brady). He is a Great QB and one who has seldom been given the credit he deserves.

[Mojouw]

Phil Simms isn't in. Boomer isn't in. Ken Anderson isn't in. Plunkett isn't in.

All I am saying is that there are going to be alot of QB's from the roughly 2000-2020 period in the NFL that are going to end up with really similar stats. They are all going to retire around the same time. This is going to create a log-jam at the position. It is currently happening with WR's from the late 90's early 2000's. I think that Ben is better than all the other QB's I listed, but his stats are very similar. I am posing the question that if Ben;s stats and 2 rings and 3 SB appearances make him a first ballot HOF - then is Eli? Does Romo get a sniff on a multiple ballot scenario? What about Rivers and Palmer? It isn't as cut and dry as it might first appear.

It must also be acknowledged that this time of year, I am willing to debate ANYTHING related to football and am mostly playing devil's advocate. I think Ben should be a HOF selection. Just not certain it is a lock.

[polamalubeast]

The only QB with two Super Bowl which is not at HOF is Jim Plunkett and it's because he was very mediocre before his days with the raiders.

Maybe Roethlisberger will not be a first ballot HOF, but when you've got very good stats for almost all of his career and you have with it two Super Bowl rings and 3 Super Bowl appearance, you're very good chance of being at HOF.Better chance that Romo, Rivers, Ryan Palmer and even Eli.

I think Ben still has at least 2-3 big seasons in him at least and its chances will be even better to be a first ballot HOF if this is the case.

[Butch]

Phil Simms isn't in. Boomer isn't in. Ken Anderson isn't in. Plunkett isn't in.

All I am saying is that there are going to be alot of QB's from the roughly 2000-2020 period in the NFL that are going to end up with really similar stats. They are all going to retire around the same time. This is going to create a log-jam at the position. It is currently happening with WR's from the late 90's early 2000's. I think that Ben is better than all the other QB's I listed, but his stats are very similar. I am posing the question that if Ben;s stats and 2 rings and 3 SB appearances make him a first ballot HOF - then is Eli? Does Romo get a sniff on a multiple ballot scenario? What about Rivers and Palmer? It isn't as cut and dry as it might first appear.

It must also be acknowledged that this time of year, I am willing to debate ANYTHING related to football and am mostly playing devil's advocate. I think Ben should be a HOF selection. Just not certain it is a lock.

I love that stuff right there and yes I am so damn ready for football. I wish they would narrow down the pre-season to a single game if that.

As I have said I don't know if Ben will be a 1st ballot because unfortunately I do not have a vote. It is very political, so who knows when Ben will get in. I get so damn frustrated that Ben has never been given the respect I think he deserves. He has played tougher defenses over his career than either peyton or shady brady. Yes shady has beaten us but it sure the hell helps when you can call out the other teams plays because you cheated.

[fansince'76]

The reason I doubt Ben will be 1st ballot is, despite all his worthy accomplishments he never gets mentioned with the top tier QBs, many of whom IMHO have not proven to be as clutch as Ben but have stats. As Chuck Noll once said "Stats are for losers", I'll take Ben any day over the likes of Rivers, Brees or even Eli who have all been ranked over Ben many times by the so called experts. The lack of respect is damn near laughable and all you hear is how he needs to win at least one more Super bowl to solidify his election into the HOF. Even if he does win another I would not be surprised if he is not elected 1st ballot. Ben has never gotten the respect he deserves and it's not just from the outside even Steeler fans themselves have not respected what he has done.

This. The guy is still consistently ranked lower than guys like Wilson and Luck, for Christ's sake.

Ben simply isn't one of the "faces" Goodell wants to pimp. Never has been, and never will be.

[Mojouw]

I think he was on track to be until he ate a motorcycle and whatever went down inGeorgia. Right when he was the most marketable he got hurt and the was pr toxic.


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[pczach]

You've hit the nail on the head.

I still think that there's a chance he goes first ballot if he wins an MVP or another Super Bowl, but make no mistake. ...the only reason he won't be first ballot is because of the feelings people have about him.

Tom Brady won a SB MVP throwing for 129 yards.

Eli won 2 SB MVP's. One because he miraculously escaped a sack, and threw up a lucky prayer that a TE caught against his helmet. Ben has had a career full of hundreds of plays like that without the luck that Manning needed to pull it off just once in his career.

Ben plays to a different standard.

[polamalubeast]

My opinion will maybe not be popular but if Tony Dungy is in the HOF, Cowher also deserves to be in the HOF.I mean, Dungy was a very good coach, but he had Peyton Manning for half of his career.Cowher has had Ben for only three years and one of his years were when Ben has had a motorcycle accident and the other 2 seasons, the Steelers had 27-4 including the playoffs with a super bowl with Ben as QB.


For the rest,the record in regular season is similar between Dungy and Cowher and in the playoffs, Cowher had more success with 6 title games against 3 for Dungy.

[ALLD]

Dungy was more media friendly and got along with the refs better. Plus there is the racial element. Cowher definitely should be in before Dungy.