Mock Drafts

[Cyphon25]

Been awhile since I have posted so if one of these has been done I apologize. But I thought it would be fun to have a thread dedicated to doing mock drafts as the offseason progresses. I am new to mock drafting and actually just did my first one today using fanspeak. I had a lot of fun doing it so I was hoping others would get involved and share theirs. And keep in mind for me I don't watch college football and I don't go review tape. I just do this for fun and read over scouting reports to form my opinions.

Anyway, I chose to do a 4 round draft and used the CBS Big Board. I haven't tried with other boards to see how the results differ but I plan to do a couple more of these. Anyway, here is mind:

Round 1 - DE Kevin Dodd, Clemson. With the names on the board it came down to Dodd and Vernon Butler for me. I had a tough time choosing between the 2 but ultimately ended up going with Dodd. Tuitt and Heyward are both animals but we really need a 3rd starting calibre DE to rotate in with them. It all starts up there with them and we can't have them playing 90% or more of the snaps every season. Too much wear on them.

Notable names I didn't choose that I have seen go to us in the first in other mocks: Kendall Fuller and Darian Thompson. I really like Thompson, don't get me wrong. I am just not sure I like him playing next to Mitchell. The weakness reports on DT are that he tends to lose people behind him in coverage and get beat deep. That happens to everyone from time to time. What worries me is that Mitchell isn't really a great wing man in that regard. He himself isn't always assignment sound and tends to headhunt more than think things out. So that leaves you with 2 guys back there that can be beat like that. There is also the fact that I have seen Thompson fall to us in round 2 on multiple versions of this draft from other people.

Round 2 - TE Hunter Henry, Arkansas. I am not amongst the crowd who thinks TE is a huge need for us. I like Jesse James and wouldn't mind entering the season with him as a starter. Sure he needs polish, but Heath wasn't exactly a dominant TE anymore. So while there will be a drop off I don't think it is big enough to think we are up shits creek if we don't draft a guy early. I would much rather us get a vet on the cheap in FA and let James prove himself. With that being said, I am not completely opposed to getting a really good TE and Henry was one of the only players on the board who I not only liked but I also think was a good fit. The only other player on the board at the time who I would take over Henry is Adolphus Washington but I had already taken Dodd in the first.

There were no notables drafted soon after my pick that I have seen on other boards. If I could double back in the draft at this point I would probably go ahead and take Thompson at safety and pick up Adolphus Washington in this spot.

Round 3 - OLB Jordan Jenkins, Georgia. He isn't someone who necessarily jumps off of the page at me but there is enough there to be excited about along with enough of a need at the position for us. On top of that, the board was once again lacking in many options I would consider. The alternate to his choice would have been G Christian Westerman. The true deciding factor is mostly that I am just much more defense oriented so when given the 2 options, I will almost always go defense.

There were some notable names still left here that I have seen as high as 2 and 3 for us in other drafts and that was Nick Vannett at TE and Jihard Ward at DE.

Round 4 - S Jayron Kearse, Clemson. This was my least favorite pick but he has the athletic ability that you hope you find a diamond in the rough with. However, now is a good time to talk about how Nick Vannett was still left at this point. If I could double back I probably go with Thompson in the first, and Washington in the 2nd and go ahead and take Vannett here to get the TE. Ultimately this pick came down to Jayron vs G Spencer Drango and as I said, defense usually wins out for me.


Anyway, this was my first time. Go ahead and rip me apart or comment or whatever. I had a blast doing this and can't wait to do more.

[steelreserve]

If Henry actually was available when we picked in the second round, I'd pull the trigger on that in a second. I don't think he'll be there, and likely not even at #25 overall. This is a terrible year for TEs. Austin Hooper in the second would be my pick if he is available there, which is also pretty doubtful IMO.

DL in the first is definitely the way to go, unless a top CB/S prospect literally falls into our laps. There are a lot of good ones and we may even be able to get an impact player in the second thanks to that.

[hawaiiansteeler]

welcome Cyphon, it's nice to see you posting again. :drink:

this is a great idea for a thread, I'm going to wait until the Combine is over before posting mine as I'm sure I'll change my mind on several players after watching the Underwear Olympics.

[Cyphon25]

welcome Cyphon, it's nice to see you posting again. :drink:

this is a great idea for a thread, I'm going to wait until the Combine is over before posting mine as I'm sure I'll change my mind on several players after watching the Underwear Olympics.

Thanks man, glad to be back.

I ended up giving this a shot and running with the idea because over at Steelersdepot some of those guys did pre-combine mocks. Even if you don't do one I would be interested on what your thoughts are on mine. Especially who you would take between Dodd and Butler. That was a tough one for me.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Do you think Hunter Henry will have a terrible combine? Id be delighted if he fell to the deep 2nd as well

[Cyphon25]

Do you think Hunter Henry will have a terrible combine? Id be delighted if he fell to the deep 2nd as well

If you are asking me I have no idea. Fanspeak runs the simulator so you have no say in who is available at the Steelers spots. I have seen mocks where Tompson is round 1 and Henry is round 2 and I have seen them where Henry is 1 and Thompson is 2. So that just goes to show you how many different perspectives there are this early.

For me if the right guys are available in the early rounds I want the Steelers to wait and grab Vannett in the 3rd or 4th round.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Thanks man, glad to be back.

I ended up giving this a shot and running with the idea because over at Steelersdepot some of those guys did pre-combine mocks. Even if you don't do one I would be interested on what your thoughts are on mine. Especially who you would take between Dodd and Butler. That was a tough one for me.

I like your mock, only criticism I might have is I don't believe Hunter Henry will still be on the board at 2(58).

and choosing between Dodd and Butler is tough, my worry about Dodd is how many of his sacks were a result of Shaq Lawson drawing all of the double-teams on the other side of the line and my concern about Butler is he played against lesser competition at La Tech.

[Dwinsgames]

Just did one on fanspeak as well .

first my logic was to strengthen the secondary and the defense in general while still trying to take the best player available at a position of need ( not always an easy task and retain value )

I did not come away with a Safety or DE ( which I would have liked to do ) but figured we could slide Doran Grant inside to S as many believe that would be his best shot at seeing playing time anyways .

here is what I came up with and to be honest if the draft broke this way I would be over joyed but I doubt it happens because the first selection is just to good to be true


25: R1P25
CB VERNON HARGREAVES III
FLORIDA



58: R2P27
DT AUSTIN JOHNSON
PENN STATE



89: R3P26
OLB JORDAN JENKINS
GEORGIA



124: R4P25
CB XAVIEN HOWARD
BAYLOR



227: R7P8
C MIKE MATTHEWS
TEXAS A&M



244: R7P25
QB NATE SUDFELD
INDIANA



253: R7P34
OT WILLIE BEAVERS
WESTERN MICHIGAN

take the money saved with Heaths retirement and pick up a Vet DE to spell our bookends

[Cyphon25]

Just did one on fanspeak as well .

first my logic was to strengthen the secondary and the defense in general while still trying to take the best player available at a position of need ( not always an easy task and retain value )

I did not come away with a Safety or DE ( which I would have liked to do ) but figured we could slide Doran Grant inside to S as many believe that would be his best shot at seeing playing time anyways .

here is what I came up with and to be honest if the draft broke this way I would be over joyed but I doubt it happens because the first selection is just to good to be true


I can't say a ton about your picks because most of them weren't on my board so I haven't read up on them but I have a couple of comments/questions.

1. Which big board did you use?

2. I definitely would be shocked if they double dipped at CB and even more so if they took one in the first round.

3. Austin Johnson @ DT. Is there a chance of him being more of a DE? I just don't see them taking a DT given the lack of snaps at the position. Seems like a high investment for a guy who can't play the outside spots on the line.

[Dwinsgames]

I used the fanspeak big board ..

I would be shocked as well , however Gay is aging and a FA , we have a guy with some promise in Cockrell and nothing else to speak of that has proven anything , granted we have Golson but at 5'9 -175 is he ever going to be anything more than a slot cover man ?

Johnson is a DT all the way but that investment would free them up to move McLendon to DE which he is probably better suited anyways ( if they resign him that is ) since he too is a FA and depending on his asking price he may or may not be back .

[Cyphon25]

I used the fanspeak big board ..

I would be shocked as well , however Gay is aging and a FA , we have a guy with some promise in Cockrell and nothing else to speak of that has proven anything , granted we have Golson but at 5'9 -175 is he ever going to be anything more than a slot cover man ?

Johnson is a DT all the way but that investment would free them up to move McLendon to DE which he is probably better suited anyways ( if they resign him that is ) since he too is a FA and depending on his asking price he may or may not be back .

I am with you on everything, but do the Steelers agree? They seem to love Blake and by all accounts plan on giving Cortez Allen another shot. And if they were smart McClendon would have been playing more DE already to give the other guys a rest.

I know these moves make sense to us but what seems logical and right doesn't seem to happen that often with our Steelers lol.

[Dwinsgames]

ROSTER
SIGNED PLAYERS


Name
Position
Cap Hit


Ramon Foster
G
3,200,000


William Gay
CB
2,625,000


Robert Golden
S
2,000,000


Will Allen
S
2,000,000


Jarvis Jones
OLB
2,000,000


Clifton Geathers
DE
1,000,000


Coby Fleener
TE
3,080,000


Al Woods
DT
1,600,000


Kelvin Beachum
T
3,500,000


Pat Sims
DT
1,600,000






















































































































































ACTIONS
CUT



Name
Position


Lawrence Timmons
ILB


Jarvis Jones
OLB


Heath Miller
TE


Shaun Suisham
K


RESTRUCTURED


Name
Position









SIGNED


Name
Position


Ramon Foster
G


William Gay
CB


Robert Golden
S


Will Allen
S


Jarvis Jones
OLB


Clifton Geathers
DE


Coby Fleener
TE


Al Woods
DT


Kelvin Beachum
T


Pat Sims
DT






Salary Cap figures are provided by OvertheCap.com (http://www.overthecap.com).
Data updates will be made AS NEEDED to keep up with this month's transactions.


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I am with you on everything, but do the Steelers agree? They seem to love Blake and by all accounts plan on giving Cortez Allen another shot. And if they were smart McClendon would have been playing more DE already to give the other guys a rest.

I know these moves make sense to us but what seems logical and right doesn't seem to happen that often with our Steelers lol.


boy there is a whole lot of truth spoken there

[hawaiiansteeler]

ROSTER
SIGNED PLAYERS


Name
Position
Cap Hit


Ramon Foster
G
3,200,000


William Gay
CB
2,625,000


Robert Golden
S
2,000,000


Will Allen
S
2,000,000


Jarvis Jones
OLB
2,000,000


Clifton Geathers
DE
1,000,000


Coby Fleener
TE
3,080,000


Al Woods
DT
1,600,000


Kelvin Beachum
T
3,500,000


Pat Sims
DT
1,600,000






















































































































































ACTIONS
CUT



Name
Position


Lawrence Timmons
ILB


Jarvis Jones
OLB


Heath Miller
TE


Shaun Suisham
K


RESTRUCTURED


Name
Position









SIGNED


Name
Position


Ramon Foster
G


William Gay
CB


Robert Golden
S


Will Allen
S


Jarvis Jones
OLB


Clifton Geathers
DE


Coby Fleener
TE


Al Woods
DT


Kelvin Beachum
T


Pat Sims
DT






Salary Cap figures are provided by OvertheCap.com (http://www.overthecap.com).
Data updates will be made AS NEEDED to keep up with this month's transactions.


- - - Updated - - -






not sure what you're getting at with these cap numbers, most of these players are free agents and thus have no cap hit...

[Dwinsgames]

not sure what you're getting at with these cap numbers, most of these players are free agents and thus have no cap hit...

its " you be the GM" manage the cap game sim ..

http://fanspeak.com/mtc/

(http://fanspeak.com/mtc/)

[Shoes]

No TE on this one and a bit heavy on the D. :chuckle:



Round 1 Pick 25: Noah Spence (http://www.google.com/search?q=Noah+Spence+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Eastern Kentucky

Round 2 Pick 25: Sheldon Rankins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Sheldon+Rankins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Louisville

Round 3 Pick 25: Carl Nassib (http://www.google.com/search?q=Carl+Nassib+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Penn State

Round 4 Pick 25: Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia

Round 7 Pick 8: Kolby Listenbee (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kolby+Listenbee+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, TCU

Round 7 Pick 25: Yannick Ngakoue (http://www.google.com/search?q=Yannick+Ngakoue+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Maryland

[Dwinsgames]

25: R1P25
CB VERNON HARGREAVES III
FLORIDA



58: R2P27
CB KENDALL FULLER
VIRGINIA TECH



89: R3P26
S KARL JOSEPH
WEST VIRGINIA



124: R4P25
TE NICK VANNETT
OHIO STATE



227: R7P8
DT ANTWAUN WOODS
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA



244: R7P25
QB NATE SUDFELD
INDIANA



253: R7P34
C MIKE MATTHEWS
TEXAS A&M

[Cyphon25]

No TE on this one and a bit heavy on the D. :chuckle:



Round 1 Pick 25: Noah Spence (http://www.google.com/search?q=Noah+Spence+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Eastern Kentucky

Round 2 Pick 25: Sheldon Rankins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Sheldon+Rankins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Louisville

Round 3 Pick 25: Carl Nassib (http://www.google.com/search?q=Carl+Nassib+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Penn State

Round 4 Pick 25: Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia

Round 7 Pick 8: Kolby Listenbee (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kolby+Listenbee+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, TCU

Round 7 Pick 25: Yannick Ngakoue (http://www.google.com/search?q=Yannick+Ngakoue+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Maryland

Spence and Rankins were 2 players I had chances at in my mock but there was something about Spence that kept me away (can't remember what) and Rankins missed out because I wasn't sure he could play DE. That being said, I still think I liked Dodd and Butler over either of them.

Did you use fanspeak for this?

Also, 3 DL in the first 3 rounds? Are you nuts lol.

[hawaiiansteeler]

its " you be the GM" manage the cap game sim ..

http://fanspeak.com/mtc/

(http://fanspeak.com/mtc/)

thanks, pretty cool. I had never seen that before, looks like I have something new to entertain myself with tonight...:thumbsup:

[Shoes]

Spence and Rankins were 2 players I had chances at in my mock but there was something about Spence that kept me away (can't remember what) and Rankins missed out because I wasn't sure he could play DE. That being said, I still think I liked Dodd and Butler over either of them.

Did you use fanspeak for this?

Also, 3 DL in the first 3 rounds? Are you nuts lol.Yes, I said it was a bit heavy on D. :chuckle:

I'm using First-Pick


Round 1 Pick 25: Hunter Henry (http://www.google.com/search?q=Hunter+Henry+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), TE, Arkansas

Round 2 Pick 25: Vernon Butler (http://www.google.com/search?q=Vernon+Butler+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Louisiana Tech

Round 3 Pick 25: Jordan Jenkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jordan+Jenkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Georgia

Round 4 Pick 25: Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia

Round 7 Pick 8: Tajae Sharpe (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tajae+Sharpe+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Massachusetts

Round 7 Pick 25: Yannick Ngakoue (http://www.google.com/search?q=Yannick+Ngakoue+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Maryland

[hawaiiansteeler]

Steelers Mike Tomlin Interested In Illinois DT Jihad Ward?

Originally posted on Steelers Depot | By Dave Bryan

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZv1nEyUAAAr1Uf.jpg

Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin received some face time during a Wednesday Senior Bowl practice as the ESPN cameras spotted him chirping away at Illinois defensive tackle Jihad Ward. While I caution you about reading too much into this, Ward certainly will be a player to watch...

to read rest of article:

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/01/steelers-mike-tomlin-interested-in-illinois-dt-jihad-ward/

[teegre]

No TE on this one and a bit heavy on the D. :chuckle:



Round 1 Pick 25: Noah Spence (http://www.google.com/search?q=Noah+Spence+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Eastern Kentucky

Round 2 Pick 25: Sheldon Rankins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Sheldon+Rankins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Louisville

Round 3 Pick 25: Carl Nassib (http://www.google.com/search?q=Carl+Nassib+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Penn State

Round 4 Pick 25: Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia

Round 7 Pick 8: Kolby Listenbee (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kolby+Listenbee+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, TCU

Round 7 Pick 25: Yannick Ngakoue (http://www.google.com/search?q=Yannick+Ngakoue+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Maryland

That is outstanding!!!

Spence has troubles, but he's easily the top OLB talent in this draft.

Rankins fills my DE/DT want.

Nassib is the "situational pass rusher" that Colbert was referring to.

Joseph in R4!?! Steal of the draft.

[Psycho Ward 86]

25: R1P25
CB VERNON HARGREAVES III
FLORIDA



58: R2P27
CB KENDALL FULLER
VIRGINIA TECH



89: R3P26
S KARL JOSEPH
WEST VIRGINIA



124: R4P25
TE NICK VANNETT
OHIO STATE



227: R7P8
DT ANTWAUN WOODS
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA



244: R7P25
QB NATE SUDFELD
INDIANA



253: R7P34
C MIKE MATTHEWS
TEXAS A&M

your entire draft is extremely wishful thinking. which is why id probably die of joy if it panned out this way

[Dwinsgames]

your entire draft is extremely wishful thinking. which is why id probably die of joy if it panned out this way

yea these sims are fun but unfortunately not very realistic

[Cyphon25]

If anyone is interested let me know in advance and we will set the same parameters on fanspeak and see what we each come up with. Think it will be interesting to compare how it plays out for 2 different people.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Thanks man, glad to be back.

I ended up giving this a shot and running with the idea because over at Steelersdepot some of those guys did pre-combine mocks. Even if you don't do one I would be interested on what your thoughts are on mine. Especially who you would take between Dodd and Butler. That was a tough one for me.

Heading Into NFL Scouting Combine, Top Prospects Pittsburgh Steelers Should Consider In NFL Draft

Feb 22, 2016

Kevin Dodd, Clemson DE

As good as the Steelers were against the run in 2015, they still lack a dynamic pass.

First-round picks Jarvis Jones, Ryan Shazier and Bud Dupree all have tons of potential but after finishing tied for 19th in the league last season with 33 sacks, something must be done to generate more pressure.

At 6’5”, 275 lbs, Dodd broke out this past season after spending time behind the likes of Shaq Lawson (projected first-round pick this year) and Vic Beasley (1st-round pick last year). With 12 sacks and 23.5 tackles for loss, Dodd was among the best pass-rushers in America. After receiving limited playing time in 2014, Dodd’s quarterback pressures leaped from just three to 46 last season, according to NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein. He saved his best for last, recording three sacks and seven tackles in the National Championship game against Alabama.

Here’s more from Zierlein on Dodd:

Athletic upfield burst with desired bend and hip flexion to corner the edge. Has length and leverage to become an effective speed-*to*-power rusher. Wore Alabama out with three sacks and two tackles for loss. Tape shows a player who played his best football at the end of the year.

Scouts will have (legitimate) concerns that Dodd is just a one-year wonder, but at the end of the first-round the Steelers may also be getting an up-and-coming talent just realizing his potential. In fact, according to Tony Pauline of DraftInsider.net, Dodd has been getting more attention from teams than his teammate Shaq Lawson.

He has been working on linebacker techniques with former NFL defensive coordinator Ted Cottrell and will run through OLB position drills during Pro-day if asked. I’m told his forty goal at the combine is 4.8-seconds or faster.

Depending on how he fares at the combine, Dodd may play himself out of range for the Steelers at No. 25, but until then, he’s a player the team and their fans must keep an eye on.

The way the offense played last season, this defense doesn’t need to be Broncos-esque for the Steelers to win. Heath Miller’s retirement could induce the front office to look for a TE early such as Arkansas’ Hunter Henry or Alabama’s O.J. Howard, but those aren’t first-round talents at this point in the pre-draft process.

With Tuitt, Heyward, Shazier, Dupree and others, the Steelers have a young front seven with tremendous potential. Getting last year’s second-round pick Senquez Golson back after missing the entire season following an injury in training camp will help, but adding to become a Super Bowl worthy defense, they’ll need to add to their secondary and/or develop a stronger pass rush.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/zachpeterse ... 7a127a2e2e

[Dwinsgames]

since we are in fantasy land I tried that first pick mock draft ( like the trade ability ) it adds to the mix .

I think this is a grand slam of a draft ( again fantasy land we could never be so lucky )

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 12 (L.A.): Vonn Bell (http://www.google.com/search?q=Vonn+Bell+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS/FS, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 14 (L.A.): Kendall Fuller (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kendall+Fuller+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Virginia Tech (A-)
Round 3 Pick 13 (L.A.): Chris Jones (http://www.google.com/search?q=Chris+Jones+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT/DE, Mississippi State (A)
Round 3 Pick 25: Harlan Miller (http://www.google.com/search?q=Harlan+Miller+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Southeastern Louisiana (B+)
Round 4 Pick 12 (L.A.): Tyler Higbee (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tyler+Higbee+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), TE, Western Kentucky (A-)
Round 4 Pick 25: Kamalei Correa (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kamalei+Correa+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Boise State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Demarcus Robinson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Demarcus+Robinson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Florida (A)
Round 7 Pick 25: Tre Madden (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tre+Madden+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), RB, Southern California (A)

[hawaiiansteeler]

I've heard the Steelers have an affinity for drafting players from Ohio State: :tt02:

1(25) Eli Apple CB Ohio St
2(58) Vonn Bell SS/FS Ohio St
3(89) Nick Vannett TE Ohio St
4(120) Cardale Jones QB Ohio St

[Psycho Ward 86]

I've heard the Steelers have an affinity for drafting players from Ohio State: :tt02:

1(25) Eli Apple CB Ohio St
2(58) Vonn Bell SS/FS Ohio St
3(89) Nick Vannett TE Ohio St
4(120) Cardale Jones QB Ohio St

totally viable mock draft. especially because what better way to replace our shitty 4th round QB with another shitty 4th round QB :lol:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Mock Draft Monday: Andrew Billings falls to the Steelers with the 25th overall pick

By Jeff.Hartman on Feb 29, 2016

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The Steelers don't draft cornerbacks in the first round, and that trend continues in the latest mock draft as the team drafts the giant, Andrew Billings, with the 25th overall pick.

It seems to be a foregone conclusion that Baylor NT/DE Andrew Billings will be an early first round draft pick in the upcoming NFL Draft. However, with the NFL Scouting Combine coming to a close Monday, there have been some waves made in the prospect waters, especially along the defensive line.

Sometimes teams put certain players, positions and team needs ahead of the 'Best Player Available' philosophy which fans of the Pittsburgh Steelers have become all too familiar with. For this reason, and others, there is always a chance a tremendous athlete falls in the draft.

In 2014 it was Stephon Tuitt who fell all the way to the second round, when he was a projected first round draft pick. In 2015 it was Bud Dupree who was thought to be drafted in the first half of the draft, but had to wait until the Steelers picked 22nd overall for his name to be called.

So, with that said, there is a chance Billings could fall to 25th overall, which would put his gigantic 6-foot 1-inch 315-pound body in the Steelers proverbial laps. In the latest SB Nation Mock Draft, they have Billings headed to Pittsburgh.

25. Pittsburgh Steelers: Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor

Cornerbacks are often the choice for Pittsburgh - it's a pick I've made several times - but since current Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert joined Pittsburgh in 2000, they haven't picked a cornerback in the first round. A nose tackle like Billings could fit nicely between Stephon Tuitt and Cameron Heyward.

Billings being selected by the Steelers would mean several things have already taken place prior to the draft. Steve McLendon likely finding a new home in free agency, and the team not being sold on Daniel McCullers being the nose tackle of the future.

Either way, Billings brings an extreme amount of power to the interior pass rush and run stopping -- something the Steelers could certainly use in the coming season. His 5.05 40-yard dash is impressive, considering the weight he is carrying, but his 31 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press is what tells the true tale of Billings.

If the Steelers were to somehow land Billings, it would mean a player who is ready to play from Day 1, and be a force along the young and improving Steelers' defensive line.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2016-nfl-mock-draft-pittsburgh-steelers-list-database/2016/2/29/11131348/mock-draft-monday-andrew-billings-falls-to-the-steelers-with-the-25th

[Cyphon25]

Billings is a tough sell for me. Sounds like a really good NT but we play NT's about 35% of the snaps or something like that. So I can't see taking him unless you could count on him having value in the Nickel as a pass rusher who can spell Tuitt or Heyward on occasion. Just seems like too few snaps for a first rounder. Really like what I have read about him though. Maybe someone can give me insight into his potential outside of first and second down.

[teegre]

Billings is a tough sell for me. Sounds like a really good NT but we play NT's about 35% of the snaps or something like that. So I can't see taking him unless you could count on him having value in the Nickel as a pass rusher who can spell Tuitt or Heyward on occasion. Just seems like too few snaps for a first rounder. Really like what I have read about him though. Maybe someone can give me insight into his potential outside of first and second down.

Well, we know he's a stud NT.

But, like you just said and as I have averred for months: I want a guy who can spell Heyward & Tuitt. I think Billings' 5.05 forty may be fast enough to play a few snaps here & there as a pass-rushing DT/DE.

But, Yes, I'd like more insight from someone who's seen him play. Can he play as a DE?

[hawaiiansteeler]

Well, we know he's a stud NT.

But, like you just said and as I have averred for months: I want a guy who can spell Heyward & Tuitt. I think Billings' 5.05 forty may be fast enough to play a few snaps here & there as a pass-rushing DT/DE.

But, Yes, I'd like more insight from someone who's seen him play. Can he play as a DE?

we played a lot of 2-4-5 this year, which means the 2 DL play more like DTs. I don't see any reason why Billings wouldn't be effective in that role.

[teegre]

we played a lot of 2-4-5 this year, which means the 2 DL play more like DTs. I don't see any reason why Billings wouldn't be effective in that role.

He very well might be... but, for example, I'm far more confident that Jarran Reed can play that DT/DE role.

[Shoes]

we played a lot of 2-4-5 this year, which means the 2 DL play more like DTs. I don't see any reason why Billings wouldn't be effective in that role.


I like Billings also, but also like Austin Johnson out of Penn ST, 6' 4" 323 lbs and can get after the QB. He helped Nassib get all those sacks.

How many NT can do this?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSo8upBsuK0

[hawaiiansteeler]

I like Billings also, but also like Austin Johnson out of Penn ST, 6' 4" 323 lbs and can get after the QB. He helped Nassib get all those sacks.

How many NT can do this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSo8upBsuK0

there are so many good DL in this draft, this is definitely the year to grab one or two of them...

[Dwinsgames]

Billings would enable you to play more base 3-4 because he can get after the passer as well as be a fireplug .

however he is a top 10-12 talent so him falling to 25 is unlikely , but if he does I am not sure how you pass on selecting him .

we could play more 3-3-5 on those 2nd and 3rd n longs making linebacker speed more important as well and that extra DB ( when we don't have starters yet let alone extra ones)
we could use a lot of fire zone blitz's out of that formation as well .

[steelreserve]

Billings is a tough sell for me. Sounds like a really good NT but we play NT's about 35% of the snaps or something like that. So I can't see taking him unless you could count on him having value in the Nickel as a pass rusher who can spell Tuitt or Heyward on occasion. Just seems like too few snaps for a first rounder. Really like what I have read about him though. Maybe someone can give me insight into his potential outside of first and second down.

We play nose tackles so little because our current NTs are shitty ones with a very limited one-dimensional skill set, which is being OK at defending the run. There is not much value in that.

Put in a player who can also provide pressure - not in the traditional get-sacks way, but just mess up the pocket and ruin the play, or give other guys the chance to come unblocked - then suddenly you have a hell of a lot more reason to use a nose tackle. A 3-3-5 nickel also becomes a lot more attractive than a 2-4-5; as you are gaining pressure and a very real chance for a busted play, at the expense of your fourth-best linebacker who probably can't cover any of the guys in a 4-wide set and probably can't generate much pressure either with a 2-man front. Casey Hampton in a passing situation for Arthur Moats or Jarvis Jones. Who wouldn't make that tradeoff?

The value of a nose tackle has little to do with the position being "old-school" or "obsolete," and everything to do with the skill level of the player. NT has been a low-value position for us because our nose tackles suck. Put in a guy who's actually good, and it changes a lot.

In other words, the reason why we use the nose tackle so little, and play our base 3-4 so infrequently, is not because it's the trend and omg passing league, but because Butler is actually being smart and putting his best players on the field as much as possible.



Billings would enable you to play more base 3-4 because he can get after the passer as well as be a fireplug .

however he is a top 10-12 talent so him falling to 25 is unlikely , but if he does I am not sure how you pass on selecting him .

we could play more 3-3-5 on those 2nd and 3rd n longs making linebacker speed more important as well and that extra DB ( when we don't have starters yet let alone extra ones)
we could use a lot of fire zone blitz's out of that formation as well .


You beat me to almost everything I just said, but I figure it's worth repeating from a slightly different angle. But yes, I agree 100%.

[Cyphon25]

We play nose tackles so little because our current NTs are shitty ones with a very limited one-dimensional skill set, which is being OK at defending the run. There is not much value in that.


Put in a player who can also provide pressure - not in the traditional get-sacks way, but just mess up the pocket and ruin the play, or give other guys the chance to come unblocked - then suddenly you have a hell of a lot more reason to use a nose tackle. A 3-3-5 nickel also becomes a lot more attractive than a 2-4-5; as you are gaining pressure and a very real chance for a busted play, at the expense of your fourth-best linebacker who probably can't cover any of the guys in a 4-wide set and probably can't generate much pressure either with a 2-man front. Casey Hampton in a passing situation for Arthur Moats or Jarvis Jones. Who wouldn't make that tradeoff?


The value of a nose tackle has little to do with the position being "old-school" or "obsolete," and everything to do with the skill level of the player. NT has been a low-value position for us because our nose tackles suck. Put in a guy who's actually good, and it changes a lot.


In other words, the reason why we use the nose tackle so little, and play our base 3-4 so infrequently, is not because it's the trend and omg passing league, but because Butler is actually being smart and putting his best players on the field as much as possible.

I agree with your overall sentiment with the caveat that McClendon doesn't suck. He is a pretty good player, he just isn't the home wrecker you are going to play on third downs.

[steelreserve]

I agree with your overall sentiment with the caveat that McClendon doesn't suck. He is a pretty good player, he just isn't the home wrecker you are going to play on third downs.


I mean, he's average I guess, but I don't see what he adds in our defense. An OK nose tackle doesn't do us any good. A pressure-oriented 3-4 requires a dominant nose tackle, and he just isn't one. For a while, I've been of the mind that McLendon would have been a far better 4-3 DT than a 3-4 NT, but at this point in his career nobody will probably ever find out.

As for the rest of our defensive tackles, they're crap. McCullers isn't ready and maybe never will be, and Cam Thomas just flat-out sucks.

[Cyphon25]

I mean, he's average I guess, but I don't see what he adds in our defense. An OK nose tackle doesn't do us any good. A pressure-oriented 3-4 requires a dominant nose tackle, and he just isn't one. For a while, I've been of the mind that McLendon would have been a far better 4-3 DT than a 3-4 NT, but at this point in his career nobody will probably ever find out.

As for the rest of our defensive tackles, they're crap. McCullers isn't ready and maybe never will be, and Cam Thomas just flat-out sucks.

Yeah Cam Thomas is a bum who should never be on the field and I am not sure McCullers has the heart for it. I know literally nothing about him but for some reason I imagine his story being that he never truly loved football but people kept telling him he should play because of his size.

He showed some flash his rookie season and with that size you have to imagine if he wanted to do any kind of work towards being great he would have improved. Instead he became a ghost this season. I am not fully ready to blame him though because I have seen what our coaching stuff has chosen to play at times and can't say I trust in their judgement. After all we were just talking about Cam Thomas lol.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Billings would enable you to play more base 3-4 because he can get after the passer as well as be a fireplug .

however he is a top 10-12 talent so him falling to 25 is unlikely , but if he does I am not sure how you pass on selecting him .



Billings didn't test very well at the Combine, he may very well be available when we pick at 1(25). his 3-cone shuttle drill time of 8.05 was one of the worst times of all the DL that were tested...

[teegre]

As I've said, I think Jarran Reed is the perfect DL for this team. He can play NT, DT, & DE. He's essentially a clone of Heyward & Tuitt. Alas, I think he's long gone by 25.

The guy that I realistically think could be there is the same guy I've mentioned for months: Kenny Clark. Clark is a better NT than Reed, although not as experienced at the other positions. Regardless, I think that Clark would be a great rotation guy at DT/DE. Why? Clark is a former wrestling superstar; hence, I think that he could use his knowledge of body leverage and his hands in order to be a helluva pass-rusher.

Think: Carlton Haselrig on defense... sans the suicidal tendencies.

[Shoes]

As I've said, I think Jarran Reed is the perfect DL for this team. He can play NT, DT, & DE. He's essentially a clone of Heyward & Tuitt. Alas, I think he's long gone by 25.

The guy that I realistically think could be there is the same guy I've mentioned for months: Kenny Clark. Clark is a better NT than Reed, although not as experienced at the other positions. Regardless, I think that Clark would be a great rotation guy at DT/DE. Why? Clark is a former wrestling superstar; hence, I think that he could use his knowledge of body leverage and his hands in order to be a helluva pass-rusher.

Think: Carlton Haselrig on defense... sans the suicidal tendencies.

On the wrestling note, I wouldn't mind picking up Jack Allen to slide in behind Pouncey.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/jack-allen?id=2555183

[polamalubeast]

Daniel Jeremiah 2016 Mock Draft 3.0: Steelers Select Eastern Kentucky OLB/DE Noah Spence…

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/03/daniel-jeremiah-2016-mock-draft-3-0-steelers-select-eastern-kentucky-olbde-noah-spence-25th-overall/

[Shoes]

Daniel Jeremiah 2016 Mock Draft 3.0: Steelers Select Eastern Kentucky OLB/DE Noah Spence…

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/03/daniel-jeremiah-2016-mock-draft-3-0-steelers-select-eastern-kentucky-olbde-noah-spence-25th-overall/

If Spence is available at 25 I think the Steelers will take him over anyone else. Unless there are still questions on his character.

[Drazo85]

Daniel Jeremiah 2016 Mock Draft 3.0: Steelers Select Eastern Kentucky OLB/DE Noah Spence…

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/03/daniel-jeremiah-2016-mock-draft-3-0-steelers-select-eastern-kentucky-olbde-noah-spence-25th-overall/

Please Colbert do not touch him. Please!

[SteelerFanInStl]

Please Colbert do not touch him. Please!
I agree. I don't want him, especially in the first.

[Cyphon25]

Here is my Mock 2.0 using Fanspeak and their big board so it was the most recently updated. I will put other relevant choices that were available to me and you guys can let me know who you would take and what not.

Round 1 - DT Sheldon Rankins Louisville

Other available - Darron Lee, Eli Apple, Reggie Ragland, Adolphus Washington, Kenny Clark, Leonard Floyd, William Jackson 3, Robert Nkemdiche

If I didn't go with Rankins I would probably have went with either Lee or Nkemdiche. Lee I hesitate with because I just can't see us taking LB 4 years in a row in round 1 and Nkemdiche has some character concerns.

Round 2 - OLB Scooby Wright Arizona

Other available - Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper, Nick Vannett, Kyler Fackrell, Vadal Alexander, Tyler Matakevich, Su'A Cravens, Xavien Howard

This was a tough choice for me but I couldn't help feeling like Scooby Wright has a similar thing going that Tuitt had. Very productive a year before and then an injury plagued season before coming into the draft. Haven't watched tape but just love what I read about him. If anyone has watched him they can let me know if I am off base here but he is one of the few players who really jumped off the page at me.

Other choices here would have been between Cravens and Howard most likely. Can't count out Henry but I just really don't want to go offense early.

Round 3 - CB Harlan Miller Southeastern Louisiana

Other available - Nick Vannett, Joshua Garnett, Spencer Drango, Jonathan Jones, Christian Westerman

Some of this stuff is obviously going to depend on free agency and what not but again, I go defense if it is close. Really like both Westerman and Garnett and would be hard pressed to choose between the 2. Like Vannett as well but just don't see TE as a huge need.

Round 4 - CB Rashard Robinson LSU

Other available - Cyrus Jones, Yannick Ngakoue

Sounds like Robinson has some major character concerns but a lot of talent. I wouldn't touch a guy like this in the higher rounds but getting to the 4th I am willing to do it. Unless you are pretty positive one of the other guys you like has a really good chance of making the team here you count it as a potential throwaway pick anyway. So I think you take the risk vs reward approach here.

[Shoes]

Please Colbert do not touch him. Please!

It's a Colbert weakness. :chuckle:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Here is my Mock 2.0 using Fanspeak and their big board so it was the most recently updated. I will put other relevant choices that were available to me and you guys can let me know who you would take and what not.

Round 1 - DT Sheldon Rankins Louisville

Other available - Darron Lee, Eli Apple, Reggie Ragland, Adolphus Washington, Kenny Clark, Leonard Floyd, William Jackson 3, Robert Nkemdiche

If I didn't go with Rankins I would probably have went with either Lee or Nkemdiche. Lee I hesitate with because I just can't see us taking LB 4 years in a row in round 1 and Nkemdiche has some character concerns.

Round 2 - OLB Scooby Wright Arizona

Other available - Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper, Nick Vannett, Kyler Fackrell, Vadal Alexander, Tyler Matakevich, Su'A Cravens, Xavien Howard

This was a tough choice for me but I couldn't help feeling like Scooby Wright has a similar thing going that Tuitt had. Very productive a year before and then an injury plagued season before coming into the draft. Haven't watched tape but just love what I read about him. If anyone has watched him they can let me know if I am off base here but he is one of the few players who really jumped off the page at me.

Other choices here would have been between Cravens and Howard most likely. Can't count out Henry but I just really don't want to go offense early.

Round 3 - CB Harlan Miller Southeastern Louisiana

Other available - Nick Vannett, Joshua Garnett, Spencer Drango, Jonathan Jones, Christian Westerman

Some of this stuff is obviously going to depend on free agency and what not but again, I go defense if it is close. Really like both Westerman and Garnett and would be hard pressed to choose between the 2. Like Vannett as well but just don't see TE as a huge need.

Round 4 - CB Rashard Robinson LSU

Other available - Cyrus Jones, Yannick Ngakoue

Sounds like Robinson has some major character concerns but a lot of talent. I wouldn't touch a guy like this in the higher rounds but getting to the 4th I am willing to do it. Unless you are pretty positive one of the other guys you like has a really good chance of making the team here you count it as a potential throwaway pick anyway. So I think you take the risk vs reward approach here.

all good choices on your part and well thought out!

I would have selected:

1(25) Eli Apple or William Jackson III (if both of these guys were still available, I really believe the Steelers would choose one of them)
2(58) Su'a Cravens or Hunter Henry (both present outstanding value here in the second round)
3(89) Joshua Garnett (plug him in to start Day 1 at LG)
4(120) Yannick Ngakoue or Cyrus Jones (he's also a good PR)

[teegre]

If Spence is available at 25 I think the Steelers will take him over anyone else. Unless there are still questions on his character.

If you want to "win now", this is the guy.

Spence is the best pass-rusher in this draft. He excelled at Ohio St. and at Eastern Kentucky; he dominated the Senior Bowl practices as well as played very well in that game. He is a legitimate "top ten" talent.

But... the drug addiction.

Most of these types of guys can hold it together for one season. If you think that BB's window is closing, and you really want to improve the defense next season, then you draft Spence and get that one great season from him. Every subsequent season is icing.

[Dwinsgames]

Here is my Mock 2.0 using Fanspeak and their big board so it was the most recently updated. I will put other relevant choices that were available to me and you guys can let me know who you would take and what not.

Round 1 - DT Sheldon Rankins Louisville

Other available - Darron Lee, Eli Apple, Reggie Ragland, Adolphus Washington, Kenny Clark, Leonard Floyd, William Jackson 3, Robert Nkemdiche

If I didn't go with Rankins I would probably have went with either Lee or Nkemdiche. Lee I hesitate with because I just can't see us taking LB 4 years in a row in round 1 and Nkemdiche has some character concerns.

Round 2 - OLB Scooby Wright Arizona

Other available - Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper, Nick Vannett, Kyler Fackrell, Vadal Alexander, Tyler Matakevich, Su'A Cravens, Xavien Howard

This was a tough choice for me but I couldn't help feeling like Scooby Wright has a similar thing going that Tuitt had. Very productive a year before and then an injury plagued season before coming into the draft. Haven't watched tape but just love what I read about him. If anyone has watched him they can let me know if I am off base here but he is one of the few players who really jumped off the page at me.

Other choices here would have been between Cravens and Howard most likely. Can't count out Henry but I just really don't want to go offense early.

Round 3 - CB Harlan Miller Southeastern Louisiana

Other available - Nick Vannett, Joshua Garnett, Spencer Drango, Jonathan Jones, Christian Westerman

Some of this stuff is obviously going to depend on free agency and what not but again, I go defense if it is close. Really like both Westerman and Garnett and would be hard pressed to choose between the 2. Like Vannett as well but just don't see TE as a huge need.

Round 4 - CB Rashard Robinson LSU

Other available - Cyrus Jones, Yannick Ngakoue

Sounds like Robinson has some major character concerns but a lot of talent. I wouldn't touch a guy like this in the higher rounds but getting to the 4th I am willing to do it. Unless you are pretty positive one of the other guys you like has a really good chance of making the team here you count it as a potential throwaway pick anyway. So I think you take the risk vs reward approach here.

I love Harlen Miller more than most but his 4.65 -40 (or whatever it was ) killed it for me as a CB not even sure that is Safety material for me ( and its faster than Thompson that some love as a S who clocked a 4.7 )

I wouldn't touch Robinson with a 10 foot pole a couple excerpts as to why followed .... since 2014 and has only 18 total games of collegiate action, including just eight starts ...Comes with lots of character red flags. Was suspended indefinitely midway through the 2014 season for multiple violations of team rules (reportedly including unlawful entry into a teammate's apartment) and was not enrolled in spring 2015 classes, essentially dropping out.

[Dwinsgames]

If you want to "win now", this is the guy.

Spence is the best pass-rusher in this draft. He excelled at Ohio St. and at Eastern Kentucky; he dominated the Senior Bowl practices as well as played very well in that game. He is a legitimate "top ten" talent.

But... the drug addiction.

Most of these types of guys can hold it together for one season. If you think that BB's window is closing, and you really want to improve the defense next season, then you draft Spence and get that one great season from him. Every subsequent season is icing.


a first round pick has to have longevity attached to it , if you go into it thinking your gonna get 1 good year you may as well trade that pick for a proven commodity at that position that has done it at the NFL level and you would have plenty of takers for a guy 30-31 who is clean and has 1-2 years of greatness left in the tank

[Cyphon25]

all good choices on your part and well thought out!


I would have selected:


1(25) Eli Apple or William Jackson III (if both of these guys were still available, I really believe the Steelers would choose one of them)
2(58) Su'a Cravens or Hunter Henry (both present outstanding value here in the second round)
3(89) Joshua Garnett (plug him in to start Day 1 at LG)
4(120) Yannick Ngakoue or Cyrus Jones (he's also a good PR)

Thank you. Same to you.


I have been saying this feels like a year they would go for a DB in the first round again but for me personally I am not completely sold on either of those guys. I basically graded everyone as I was going and went with the highest grade which I gave to Rankins. He was the only one I gave an A to. I think the only corner I would take in the first that may be available to us is Mackensie Alexander.


As for the 2nd round that changed for me. Henry was the only player I graded out as an A but I place higher value for us on defense and I like Vannett who I figured would still be available if I really wanted a TE. Fackrell, Wright, Cravens and Howard all graded roughly the same to me but like I said, Wright really jumps off at the page at me though I would be happy with any of the 4.


Garnett would certainly be a great pick but I lean towards Foster coming back and I am also not sure I would outright choose him over Westerman. Westerman sounds more athletic which is good for us given how much we like to pull the guard. So he may be a better fit in our O. Ultimately I went with Miller because I hadn’t addressed CB and I really think we have to. I didn’t really reach because he graded just below the offensive guys for me.


Ngakoue is another good choice that I wouldn’t complain about. Not really a fan of Cyrus Jones though.



I love Harlen Miller more than most but his 4.65 -40 (or whatever it was ) killed it for me as a CB not even sure that is Safety material for me ( and its faster than Thompson that some love as a S who clocked a 4.7 )


I don’t worry a ton about combine stats, I worry more about actual football talent. I mean, how many Dri Archers of the world are there that can fly but can’t play football? It is a concern, but not a huge one for me.



I wouldn't touch Robinson with a 10 foot pole a couple excerpts as to why followed .... since 2014 and has only 18 total games of collegiate action, including just eight starts ...Comes with lots of character red flags. Was suspended indefinitely midway through the 2014 season for multiple violations of team rules (reportedly including unlawful entry into a teammate's apartment) and was not enrolled in spring 2015 classes, essentially dropping out.


Yeah, the character concerns are scary but like I said, 4th round doesn’t tend to produce much so I think it is worth the risk. I know there is a lot of talk about when you risk given Jaylon Smith a chance because he is a first round talent but his injuries are very concerning. Same thing applies here for me. You have a first round talent you take a shot at in the 4th and hope you can fix him.


The school thing doesn’t bother me. I read where his coach or someone said they just think he hated school and I was the same way. I wanted to play football at Shippensburg so I worked out and practiced with the team and what not but ended up dropping out because I couldn’t maintain my grades. Just couldn’t sit through class.

[Psycho Ward 86]

If you want to "win now", this is the guy.

Spence is the best pass-rusher in this draft. He excelled at Ohio St. and at Eastern Kentucky; he dominated the Senior Bowl practices as well as played very well in that game. He is a legitimate "top ten" talent.

But... the drug addiction.

Most of these types of guys can hold it together for one season. If you think that BB's window is closing, and you really want to improve the defense next season, then you draft Spence and get that one great season from him. Every subsequent season is icing.

im very conflicted on this guy. He's been getting tested every week and proven clean for 18 months. Urban Meyer really went out of his way to help him get back into football elsewhere after getting banned from the Big 10 because he felt he was a high character kid who just made some bad choices.

Could end up being as bountiful as the cardinals picking up Tyrann Mathieu. or the chiefs getting marcus peters. I would feel better about Spence bieng on the team if we knew Harrison was coming back. i feel like he would have been a great mentor to him

[st33lersguy]

If you want to "win now", this is the guy.

Spence is the best pass-rusher in this draft. He excelled at Ohio St. and at Eastern Kentucky; he dominated the Senior Bowl practices as well as played very well in that game. He is a legitimate "top ten" talent.

But... the drug addiction.

Most of these types of guys can hold it together for one season. If you think that BB's window is closing, and you really want to improve the defense next season, then you draft Spence and get that one great season from him. Every subsequent season is icing.

I say pass on Spence, the Steelers tried a slow pass rusher in Jarvis Jones and that hasn't worked out. Also the drug addiction is problem. Plus, I would prefer something other than a linebacker this year

[Dwinsgames]

Yeah, the character concerns are scary but like I said, 4th round doesn’t tend to produce much so I think it is worth the risk..

sorry I just can't agree there ...

LOTS of talent is drafted in round 4 some stars and many many role players who give quality snaps round 4 is the best value round in the entire draft the middle rounds is where your team core should come from rounds 3-4 http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/rounds/round_4

[hawaiiansteeler]

Thank you. Same to you.

I have been saying this feels like a year they would go for a DB in the first round again but for me personally I am not completely sold on either of those guys. I basically graded everyone as I was going and went with the highest grade which I gave to Rankins. He was the only one I gave an A to. I think the only corner I would take in the first that may be available to us is Mackensie Alexander.

I love Rankins, he blew up the Combine and I think he's going to be a terrific player. I just think at 6'1" 299 lbs he fits much better as a 3-tech prospect for a team that runs a 4-3. it's most likely a moot point anyway since he will probably be long gone by the time it's the Steelers turn to pick.

as for Apple and Jackson, they both looked great at the Combine and have the potential to be #1 CBs. the Steelers desperately need one and finding one in free agency is too expensive so they'll have to do it through the draft. and regarding Mackenzie Alexander, how does a CB go an entire college career without an interception? I realize other teams avoided him, but that still worries me...

[Dwinsgames]

I love Rankins, he blew up the Combine and I think he's going to be a terrific player. I just think at 6'1" 299 lbs he fits much better as a 3-tech prospect for a team that runs a 4-3. it's most likely a moot point anyway since he will probably be long gone by the time it's the Steelers turn to pick.

as for Apple and Jackson, they both looked great at the Combine and have the potential to be #1 CBs. the Steelers desperately need one and finding one in free agency is too expensive so they'll have to do it through the draft. and regarding Mackenzie Alexander, how does a CB go an entire college career without an interception? I realize other teams avoided him, but that still worries me...


his lack of size also worries me , smaller than anticipated ..plays bigger but will it translate

[Born2Steel]

I MOCK YOUR DRAFT!!

[hawaiiansteeler]

I love Harlen Miller more than most but his 4.65 -40 (or whatever it was ) killed it for me as a CB not even sure that is Safety material for me ( and its faster than Thompson that some love as a S who clocked a 4.7 )



Harlan Miller looked great at the Senior Bowl but running 4.65 when you're a 182 lbs. CB is really bad. in addition, his 7.44 clocking in the 3-cone shuttle drill was the worst of all the CBs tested.

[Cyphon25]

sorry I just can't agree there ...



LOTS of talent is drafted in round 4 some stars and many many role players who give quality snaps round 4 is the best value round in the entire draft the middle rounds is where your team core should come from rounds 3-4 http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/rounds/round_4 (http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/rounds/round_4)


I worded it wrong. It is a very hit or miss round so in my opinion that is when it starts being okay to take chances. You can end up with a Martavis Bryant or you can end up with a Landry Jones and Shemarko Thomas.


So the risk vs reward on a bad character guy with first round talent fits right in. Obviously they will know more about him than I do through interviews and league sources or what not and I would trust their judgement. If you think there is no chance he corrects those concerns you don’t take the chance.



I love Rankins, he blew up the Combine and I think he's going to be a terrific player. I just think at 6'1" 299 lbs he fits much better as a 3-tech prospect for a team that runs a 4-3. it's most likely a moot point anyway since he will probably be long gone by the time it's the Steelers turn to pick.


I don’t know a ton about the nuances of the difference there so I can’t say much.



as for Apple and Jackson, they both looked great at the Combine and have the potential to be #1 CBs. the Steelers desperately need one and finding one in free agency is too expensive so they'll have to do it through the draft. and regarding Mackenzie Alexander, how does a CB go an entire college career without an interception? I realize other teams avoided him, but that still worries me...


I really don’t put a lot of stock in the combine. I care more about what reports get out of their time on the field. You have to take a chance at some point but corner is such a hard to judge position that I want a guy I am absolutely sure of it I am taking one in the first. Apple and Jackson aren’t those guys.


The no INT thing for Alexander is definitely an oddity but when you hear some of the other statistics you kind of stop caring about it. He had 10 passes defended, gave up 0 TD’s and only allowed a 29% completion rate when being targeted. Pretty incredible stuff.


I think there is a chance he falls to us because he is short and the no INT thing will worry some people.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I really don’t put a lot of stock in the combine. I care more about what reports get out of their time on the field. You have to take a chance at some point but corner is such a hard to judge position that I want a guy I am absolutely sure of it I am taking one in the first. Apple and Jackson aren’t those guys.

The no INT thing for Alexander is definitely an oddity but when you hear some of the other statistics you kind of stop caring about it. He had 10 passes defended, gave up 0 TD’s and only allowed a 29% completion rate when being targeted. Pretty incredible stuff.I think there is a chance he falls to us because he is short and the no INT thing will worry some people.

I like Alexander, I watched him hold Notre Dame's Will Fuller to only 2 catches for 37 yards and read somewhere that he only allowed 20 completions the entire 2014 season.

I do believe the Steelers will have a difficult time passing up on either Eli Apple, William Jackson III or Mackenzie Alexander if any of them are available when we're on the clock and I do think at least one of them will be there still at 1(25).

[Cyphon25]

I like Alexander, I watched him hold Notre Dame's Will Fuller to only 2 catches for 37 yards and read somewhere that he only allowed 20 completions the entire 2014 season.

I do believe the Steelers will have a difficult time passing up on either Eli Apple, William Jackson III or Mackenzie Alexander if any of them are available when we're on the clock and I do think at least one of them will be there still at 1(25).

I am on record as saying this is the strongest I have felt about the possibility they really will go DB in the first round so I am mostly with you. I am just not as sold on the first 2 as I am on the latter.

My concerns with Apple are his tackling and his penalty count. If the tackling thing are viewed as a big issue the Steelers won't touch him. They like their corners tough and physical. Same thing goes for Jackson there. Knock on him is that he doesn't play the run tough.

You look at Alexander and his big knock is really just the lack of INT's and size. Size has never been an issue for the Steelers.

Where do you rank them in order though? For me I got Alexander > Jackson > Apple.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I am on record as saying this is the strongest I have felt about the possibility they really will go DB in the first round so I am mostly with you. I am just not as sold on the first 2 as I am on the latter.

My concerns with Apple are his tackling and his penalty count. If the tackling thing are viewed as a big issue the Steelers won't touch him. They like their corners tough and physical. Same thing goes for Jackson there. Knock on him is that he doesn't play the run tough.

You look at Alexander and his big knock is really just the lack of INT's and size. Size has never been an issue for the Steelers.



thought you would find this of interest:

ESPN's Todd McShay has the Steelers taking CB Mackensie Alexander with the 25th pick

By Jeff.Hartman on Mar 2, 2016

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Todd McShay released his Mock Draft 3.0 Wednesday, and the ESPN NFL Draft expert sees the Steelers taking a CB with their 1st overall pick.

Before the NFL Scouting Combine, producing NFL Mock Drafts resembles throwing darts. You have some targets, and you basically just pick which one you think is best. However, after the Combine, when teams spend a lot of time interviewing prospects, you get a feel for who NFL franchises are talking with, and positions they are looking to fill.

This doesn't make mock drafts any more reliable, they are still just a stab in the dark, but there is a little more theory behind the selections than just a random selection. So, when ESPN's Todd McShay released his 3.0 Mock Draft, most fans' were curious to see who he had slotted for their team in the first round, well except the New England Patriots who don't have a first round pick.

For the Pittsburgh Steelers, McShay sees the team taking a cornerback in the first round, and one which they sat down and interviewed during the Combine. None other than Clemson CB Mackensie Alexander.

See what McShay had to say about the selection:

25. Pittsburgh Steelers

Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson

Tight end is a need, and we have a first-round grade on Hunter Henry, but you have to think the Steelers are going to spend this pick on a defender. Quick-twitched, instinctive and capable versus the run, Alexander is a really good all-around player. But he finished college with zero interceptions and lacks ideal length; he measured 5-foot-10 with arms less than 31½ inches at the combine. Houston CB William Jackson III, who had an impressive combine workout and has really underrated tape, is another possibility here.

The fact McShay brings up Williams Jackson III is interesting, as his combine workout certainly helped his case to be a legitimate first round draft pick; however, he doesn't have the pedigree of Alexander coming out of one of the best NCAA programs in the country in Clemson.

If the Steelers want to go big on a cornerback, drafting one of these two players could be their answer, but the hope is whichever player the Steelers taking with the 25th overall pick is someone who can step on the field and play a significant role on the team, like Bud Dupree in 2015.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2016-nfl-mock-draft-pittsburgh-steelers-list-database/2016/3/2/11146872/espns-todd-mcshay-has-the-steelers-taking-cb-mackensie-alexander-with

[Born2Steel]

Trying to understand why a guy with no college INTs is rated so high as a CB. In 2 seasons he had only 44 tackles and 11 pass break ups. Why the interest?

[Cyphon25]

Trying to understand why a guy with no college INTs is rated so high as a CB. In 2 seasons he had only 44 tackles and 11 pass break ups. Why the interest?

Gave up 0 TD's and only a 29% completion rate. I think the biggest thing keeping him from the 5-10 range is his size. I really hope he falls to us.

[teegre]

Stats can be misleading... especially INTs.

In SuperBowl XXX, Larry Brown had 2 INTs, while Deion Sanders had zero.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Where do you rank them in order though? For me I got Alexander > Jackson > Apple.

my top-10 CBs:

1) Jalen Ramsey
2) Vernon Hargreaves
3) Mackensie Alexander
4) Eli Apple
5) William Jackson III
6) Kendall Fuller
7) Jalen Mills
8) Artie Burns
9) Will Redmond
10) Xavien Howard

[Psycho Ward 86]

William Jackson:

Targeted 100 times last season for 43 receptions, 608 yards, and 3 TD's


sounds like an awful lot of volume for a shutdown corner

[Dwinsgames]

my top-10 CBs:

1) Jalen Ramsey
2) Vernon Hargreaves
3) Mackensie Alexander
4) Eli Apple
5) William Jackson III
6) Kendall Fuller
7) Jalen Mills
8) Artie Burns
9) Will Redmond
10) Xavien Howard

I think Mills ends up at FS in the NFL and Howard may as well

[hawaiiansteeler]

I think Mills ends up at FS in the NFL and Howard may as well

here's a quote from an article about potential CB prospects from Jim Wexell's Steel City Insider: (paid subscription only)

The Steelers will also no doubt look into the character of another cornerback who's flying under the first-round radar, Jalen Mills from LSU.

Mills checked into the Combine at 6-0, 191 with 31 1/8-inch arms. His 16 reps in the bench press were more than any of the aforementioned cornerbacks, but they also didn't spend the last two seasons as a starting safety.

"Cornerback, for sure," Mills said of his best position. "That's just the position I love to play. That's my first, natural position, and that's what I'm good at."

Mills came to LSU as a cornerback but was moved prior to his junior season because the position was so thin.

Mills intercepted six passes his first three seasons but none last year because a fractured fibula and damaged ankle ligaments held him out half the season, and his return came as a surprise to the LSU staff.

But Mills was fully healed for the Senior Bowl and he excelled as a cornerback throughout the practice week and in the game. He not only drew raves from media covering the event, but from Mike Tomlin as well.

"Coach Tomlin talked to me at the Senior Bowl," Mills said at the Combine. "He was there. He watched me all week. He said he was impressed with how I played, how physical I was, but also at the same time how finesse I could be at times."

[Psycho Ward 86]

where is Jalen Mills projected to go. Sounds interesting

[hawaiiansteeler]

where is Jalen Mills projected to go. Sounds interesting

2nd round.

I would have no problem with the Steelers picking BPA in Round 1 and then selecting CB/FS Jalen Mills in Round 2.

[Dwinsgames]

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 15 (DET): William Jackson III (http://www.google.com/search?q=William+Jackson+III+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Houston... Talented corner that fills a big need

Round 2 Pick 22 (WASH): Su'a Cravens (http://www.google.com/search?q=Su%27a+Cravens+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB/SS, Southern California .. strong S with play making ability at and around the LOS as well as in the secondary also filling a big need

Round 2 Pick 25: Adolphus Washington (http://www.google.com/search?q=Adolphus+Washington+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT/DE, Ohio State ... here is that DT/DE tweener that can play 5 tech and spell both Tuitte and Heyward everyone wants and the team needs

Round 3 Pick 25: Tyler Higbee (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tyler+Higbee+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), TE, Western Kentucky .. a better blocker than given credit especially at the second level with big soft hands and more speed than we are accustomed to at TE a former WR who understands how to get open and find soft spots in a zone 6'6-250

Round 4 Pick 25: Max Tuerk (http://www.google.com/search?q=Max+Tuerk+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), C/OG, Southern California many had him as one of the top centers in the draft prior to the combine , not sure any of that really changes , his tape is very good

Round 7 Pick 8: Briean Boddy-Calhoun (http://www.google.com/search?q=Briean+Boddy-Calhoun+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Minnesota .. smaller CB ( but not tiny ) can mirror in man coverage and plays zone equally well

Round 7 Pick 25: Nile Lawrence-Stample (http://www.google.com/search?q=Nile+Lawrence-Stample+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Florida State . the man is a fireplug built for goal line and short yardage , he is the the kind of player who you put on the field in base def and just know the center of the D-Line is well equipped to stuff the run

[hawaiiansteeler]

Your Picks:

Round 2 Pick 15 (DET): William Jackson III, CB, Houston
Round 2 Pick 22 (WASH): Karl Joseph SS W Virginia
Round 2 Pick 25: Joshua Garnett OG Stanford
Round 3 Pick 25: Nick Vannett TE Ohio St
Round 4 Pick 25: Jihad Ward DT/DE Illinois
Round 7 Pick 8: Briean Boddy-Calhoun, CB, Minnesota
Round 7 Pick 25: Nile Lawrence-Stample, DT, Florida State
Round 7 (comp): Cody Kessler QB USC

[Born2Steel]

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 25: William Jackson III (http://www.google.com/search?q=William+Jackson+III+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Houston (B)
Round 2 Pick 25: Xavien Howard (http://www.google.com/search?q=Xavien+Howard+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Baylor (B)
Round 3 Pick 25: D.J. White (http://www.google.com/search?q=D.J.+White+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Georgia Tech (B-)
Round 4 Pick 25: Harlan Miller (http://www.google.com/search?q=Harlan+Miller+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Southeastern Louisiana (B-)
Round 7 Pick 8: Deiondre' Hall (http://www.google.com/search?q=Deiondre'+Hall+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Northern Iowa (B-)
Round 7 Pick 25: LeShaun Sims (http://www.google.com/search?q=LeShaun+Sims+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Southern Utah (D+)

[Psycho Ward 86]

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 25: William Jackson III (http://www.google.com/search?q=William+Jackson+III+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Houston (B)
Round 2 Pick 25: Xavien Howard (http://www.google.com/search?q=Xavien+Howard+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Baylor (B)
Round 3 Pick 25: D.J. White (http://www.google.com/search?q=D.J.+White+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Georgia Tech (B-)
Round 4 Pick 25: Harlan Miller (http://www.google.com/search?q=Harlan+Miller+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Southeastern Louisiana (B-)
Round 7 Pick 8: Deiondre' Hall (http://www.google.com/search?q=Deiondre'+Hall+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Northern Iowa (B-)
Round 7 Pick 25: LeShaun Sims (http://www.google.com/search?q=LeShaun+Sims+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Southern Utah (D+)

lol

[Dwinsgames]

lot of Reed fans here so figured I would post this clip
https://twitter.com/RosterWatch/status/707640652222353409

[hawaiiansteeler]

lot of Reed fans here so figured I would post this clip
https://twitter.com/RosterWatch/status/707640652222353409

RosterWatch ‏@RosterWatch

#Steelers GM Kevin Colbert patrolling Alabama Pro Day

Kevin Colbert only GM front and center taking notes on cone drills. Working hard for #SteelerNation

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdIHWk5WEAADIN-.jpg

https://twitter.com/RosterWatch

[teegre]

RosterWatch ‏@RosterWatch

#Steelers GM Kevin Colbert patrolling Alabama Pro Day

Kevin Colbert only GM front and center taking notes on cone drills. Working hard for #SteelerNation

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdIHWk5WEAADIN-.jpg

https://twitter.com/RosterWatch


Q: Is that what is posted on Secondaryconcerns's post?

If so... YEAH!!!

- - - Updated - - -


lot of Reed fans here so figured I would post this clip
https://twitter.com/RosterWatch/status/707640652222353409

I can't see Twitter at work, but I'm smiling nonetheless.

[Dwinsgames]

not sure they burn a 1st rounder on D-Line , but if for some reason he slides ( and he could so many talented D-Lineman in this draft someone or a couple someones could slide ) I would not be surprised to see them go after him or another DT with first round talent in the second . clearly someone is going to drop out of round 1 would be almost unheard of for 7-8 DTs go in round 1.

look at all the top talent at DT in this draft it really is unbelievable



A'Shawn Robinson

(http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2082728/ashawn-robinson)Sheldon Rankins

(http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1998998/sheldon-rankins)Andrew Billings (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079903/andrew-billings)

Jarran Reed (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2131655/jarran-reed)

Robert Nkemdiche (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079896/robert-nkemdiche)

Vernon Butler (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1999382/vernon-butler)

Kenny Clark (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079670/kenny-clark)

and some claim also

Austin Johnson

(http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2006428/austin-johnson)Adolphus Washington

(http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1983803/adolphus-washington)
(http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2006428/austin-johnson)

[Dwinsgames]

Q: Is that what is posted on Secondaryconcerns's post?

If so... YEAH!!!

- - - Updated - - -



I can't see Twitter at work, but I'm smiling nonetheless.

it was the actual video of him running the drill , great agility shown , but note who is front and center watching that drill ....

COLBERT

[Dwinsgames]

good read on Billings , suggesting what many believed all along he is so much more than a guy who simply mans the Zero pos. can be a 3 down player at next level something we are not accustomed to since Hampton retired

http://cityofchampionssports.com/2016/03/09/steelers-prospect-watch-andrew-billings/

[teegre]

not sure they burn a 1st rounder on D-Line , but if for some reason he slides ( and he could so many talented D-Lineman in this draft someone or a couple someones could slide ) I would not be surprised to see them go after him or another DT with first round talent in the second . clearly someone is going to drop out of round 1 would be almost unheard of for 7-8 DTs go in round 1.

look at all the top talent at DT in this draft it really is unbelievable



A'Shawn Robinson

(http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2082728/ashawn-robinson)Sheldon Rankins

(http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1998998/sheldon-rankins)Andrew Billings (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079903/andrew-billings)

Jarran Reed (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2131655/jarran-reed)

Robert Nkemdiche (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079896/robert-nkemdiche)

Vernon Butler (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1999382/vernon-butler)

Kenny Clark (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079670/kenny-clark)

and some claim also

Austin Johnson

(http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2006428/austin-johnson)Adolphus Washington

(http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1983803/adolphus-washington)
(http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2006428/austin-johnson)

Jarran Reed I have no "real" hopes that he lasts until 25.

Kenny Clark has been my "realistic" player who I want at 25.

Vernin Butler is who think will "actually" be the pick.

I'd also be fine with Billings.


That said, you're right that one of those guys drops to about 58. But, "a bird in the hand..."

[polamalubeast]

707911989721309184


My head will explode if it happens.

[Born2Steel]

707911989721309184


My head will explode if it happens.

As a UofM alum, I would welcome him to the Steelers gladly. That said, not our first round pick unless Ben's camp knows something we don't. We all know we need a quality back up but not at 25 with soooo many other needs to fill. I think my head would explode also.

[hawaiiansteeler]

707911989721309184

My head will explode if it happens.

it would make no sense for the Steelers to draft Lynch in the first round, but if he's on the board at 1(25) then another QB needy team may very well want to trade up for him...

[polamalubeast]

it would make no sense for the Steelers to draft Lynch in the first round, but if he's on the board at 1(25) then another QB needy team may very well want to trade up for him...


A team like the Broncos...

[hawaiiansteeler]

A team like the Broncos...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdM0r3LUMAEtp5o.jpg:large

[Steeldude]

IMO, the Steelers will BPA a safety or OLB in the first. I really don't think they will go CB in the first.

[SteelerFanInStl]

it would make no sense for the Steelers to draft Lynch in the first round, but if he's on the board at 1(25) then another QB needy team may very well want to trade up for him...

I agree. If Lynch is there at 25, we should be working those phone lines for a trade.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I agree. If Lynch is there at 25, we should be working those phone lines for a trade.

according to the NFL Draft Value Chart, this trade is as fair as it gets:

our 1(25) = 720 points for Denver's 1(31) and 3(95) = 600 + 120 = 720 points

we stay in the 1st round and pick up an extra 3rd round selection

[Dwinsgames]

or you could threaten to draft him yourself and make them pony up an additional 4th if you feel that he is their guy

[hawaiiansteeler]

or you could threaten to draft him yourself and make them pony up an additional 4th if you feel that he is their guy

or perhaps at least an extra 5th or 6th since we don't have either of those...

[Born2Steel]

Guys, I would love to be able to package our 7th round picks and trade them both for 1 5th and be done that much earlier. I know the comp rules and such, just a wish. Sitting there after the 4th rd pick and waiting would be excruciating at best. I will probably stop paying attention at that point anyway.

[teegre]

Guys, I would love to be able to package our 7th round picks and trade them both for 1 5th and be done that much earlier. I know the comp rules and such, just a wish. Sitting there after the 4th rd pick and waiting would be excruciating at best. I will probably stop paying attention at that point anyway.

Amen.

I have the the kids by myself that day; so, I'd like to get out of the house, and head to the zoo or SeaWorld by noon (PST).

[hawaiiansteeler]

Guys, I would love to be able to package our 7th round picks and trade them both for 1 5th and be done that much earlier. I know the comp rules and such, just a wish. Sitting there after the 4th rd pick and waiting would be excruciating at best. I will probably stop paying attention at that point anyway.

we've had luck with our 7th round selections before (Kelvin Beachum, Brett Keisel) but the last time we had three 7th round picks we chose Toney Clemons, David Paulson and Terrence Frederick.

let's hope we do better this time...

[teegre]

we've had luck with our 7th round selections before (Kelvin Beachum, Brett Keisel) but the last time we had three 7th round picks we chose Toney Clemons, David Paulson and Terrence Frederick.

let's hope we do better this time...

I would take two R6 picks:
-AB part II
-Greg Lloyd part II

[hawaiiansteeler]

the draft that would make Steelers' fans heads explode:

1(25) Taylor Decker OT Ohio St
2(58) Dak Prescott QB MissSt
3(89) Nick Vannett TE Ohio St
4(124) Tyler Ervin RB San Jose St

[polamalubeast]

the draft that would make Steelers' fans heads explode:

1(25) Taylor Decker OT Ohio St
2(58) Dak Prescott QB MissSt
3(89) Nick Vannett TE Ohio St
4(124) Tyler Ervin RB San Jose St


Please!

[hawaiiansteeler]

Please!

might draft a WR now also since Maryjanetavis can't lay off the weed...:smoker:

[Shoes]

Round 1 Pick 25: Andrew Billings (http://www.google.com/search?q=Andrew+Billings+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Baylor (A)
Round 2 Pick 25: Joshua Garnett (http://www.google.com/search?q=Joshua+Garnett+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OG, Stanford (A-)
Round 3 Pick 25: Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia (A+)
Round 4 Pick 25: Jordan Jenkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jordan+Jenkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Georgia (A+)
Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Tajae Sharpe (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tajae+Sharpe+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Massachusetts (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Kevin Peterson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kevin+Peterson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Oklahoma State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Aaron Green (http://www.google.com/search?q=Aaron+Green+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), RB, TCU (A+)


Round 2 Pick 12 (L.A.): Noah Spence (http://www.google.com/search?q=Noah+Spence+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Eastern Kentucky (A)
Round 2 Pick 14 (L.A.): Su'a Cravens (http://www.google.com/search?q=Su'a+Cravens+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB/SS, Southern California (B+)
Round 2 Pick 25: Vernon Butler (http://www.google.com/search?q=Vernon+Butler+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Louisiana Tech (A+)
Round 3 Pick 25: Darian Thompson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Darian+Thompson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), FS, Boise State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 25: Tyler Higbee (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tyler+Higbee+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), TE, Western Kentucky (A-)
Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Kevin Peterson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kevin+Peterson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Oklahoma State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Demarcus Robinson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Demarcus+Robinson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Curt Maggitt (http://www.google.com/search?q=Curt+Maggitt+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Tennessee (A-)

[SteelerFanInStl]

the draft that would make Steelers' fans heads explode:

1(25) Taylor Decker OT Ohio St
2(58) Dak Prescott QB MissSt
3(89) Nick Vannett TE Ohio St
4(124) Tyler Ervin RB San Jose St

Prescott was arrested for DUI early this morning. His stock is going to drop.

[Dwinsgames]

holy cow what a haul

Your score is: 8905 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 2 (TENN): Mackensie Alexander (http://www.google.com/search?q=Mackensie+Alexander+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Clemson (B+)
Round 2 Pick 25: Andrew Billings (http://www.google.com/search?q=Andrew+Billings+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Baylor (A+)
Round 2 Pick 28 (K.C.): Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 3 (S.D.): Kenny Clark (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kenny+Clark+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, UCLA (A+)
Round 3 Pick 25: Carl Nassib (http://www.google.com/search?q=Carl+Nassib+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Penn State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 25: Jordan Jenkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jordan+Jenkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Georgia (A+)
Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Demarcus Robinson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Demarcus+Robinson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Tre Madden (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tre+Madden+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), RB, Southern California (B+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Drew Kaser (http://www.google.com/search?q=Drew+Kaser+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), P, Texas A&M (A)

[hawaiiansteeler]

holy cow what a haul

Your score is: 8905 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 2 (TENN): Mackensie Alexander (http://www.google.com/search?q=Mackensie+Alexander+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Clemson (B+)
Round 2 Pick 25: Andrew Billings (http://www.google.com/search?q=Andrew+Billings+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Baylor (A+)
Round 2 Pick 28 (K.C.): Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 3 (S.D.): Kenny Clark (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kenny+Clark+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, UCLA (A+)
Round 3 Pick 25: Carl Nassib (http://www.google.com/search?q=Carl+Nassib+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Penn State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 25: Jordan Jenkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jordan+Jenkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Georgia (A+)
Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Demarcus Robinson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Demarcus+Robinson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Tre Madden (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tre+Madden+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), RB, Southern California (B+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Drew Kaser (http://www.google.com/search?q=Drew+Kaser+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), P, Texas A&M (A)

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[polamalubeast]

holy cow what a haul

Your score is: 8905 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 2 (TENN): Mackensie Alexander (http://www.google.com/search?q=Mackensie+Alexander+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Clemson (B+)
Round 2 Pick 25: Andrew Billings (http://www.google.com/search?q=Andrew+Billings+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Baylor (A+)
Round 2 Pick 28 (K.C.): Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 3 (S.D.): Kenny Clark (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kenny+Clark+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, UCLA (A+)
Round 3 Pick 25: Carl Nassib (http://www.google.com/search?q=Carl+Nassib+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Penn State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 25: Jordan Jenkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jordan+Jenkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Georgia (A+)
Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Demarcus Robinson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Demarcus+Robinson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Tre Madden (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tre+Madden+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), RB, Southern California (B+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Drew Kaser (http://www.google.com/search?q=Drew+Kaser+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), P, Texas A&M (A)


Never the steelers will have three second-round draft pick in the draft, this is not realistic.With the addition of two third round draft pick ?!...C'mon man!

Our 25th pick not worth it!

[Mojouw]

25: R1P25

CB VERNON HARGREAVES III
FLORIDA



58: R2P27
DT KENNY CLARK

UCLA



89: R3P26
S MILES KILLEBREW
SOUTHERN UTAH



124: R4P25
RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS
ARKANSAS



227: R7P8
WR KEYARRIS GARRETT
TULSA



244: R7P25
CB BRIEN BODDY-CALHOUN
MINNESOTA



253: R7P34
QB CARDALE JONES
OHIO STATE



This would be about the most Steelers draft ever. Actually I don't really know if any of these guys are the team's radar, but I will say read almost any scouting report on Garrett and tell me he doesn't sound like every Steelers WR drafted in the last 4 years?

[teegre]

holy cow what a haul

Your score is: 8905 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 2 (TENN): Mackensie Alexander (http://www.google.com/search?q=Mackensie+Alexander+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Clemson (B+)
Round 2 Pick 25: Andrew Billings (http://www.google.com/search?q=Andrew+Billings+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Baylor (A+)
Round 2 Pick 28 (K.C.): Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 3 (S.D.): Kenny Clark (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kenny+Clark+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, UCLA (A+)
Round 3 Pick 25: Carl Nassib (http://www.google.com/search?q=Carl+Nassib+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Penn State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 25: Jordan Jenkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jordan+Jenkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Georgia (A+)
Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Demarcus Robinson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Demarcus+Robinson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Tre Madden (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tre+Madden+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), RB, Southern California (B+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Drew Kaser (http://www.google.com/search?q=Drew+Kaser+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), P, Texas A&M (A)

Here's how good that mock is:
I would take any of the first four in at 25.

[Dwinsgames]

Never the steelers will have three second-round draft pick in the draft, this is not realistic.With the addition of two third round draft pick ?!...C'mon man!

Our 25th pick not worth it!


selected who was there with the mock tool

I agree you just can't even make shit up that good but ....

here it is none the less.

for the record I traded back twice from 25 to acquire the 2 extra 2nd rounders and picked the others up in the process

[steelerkitty]

holy cow what a haul

Your score is: 8905 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 2 (TENN): Mackensie Alexander (http://www.google.com/search?q=Mackensie+Alexander+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Clemson (B+)
Round 2 Pick 25: Andrew Billings (http://www.google.com/search?q=Andrew+Billings+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Baylor (A+)
Round 2 Pick 28 (K.C.): Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 3 (S.D.): Kenny Clark (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kenny+Clark+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, UCLA (A+)
Round 3 Pick 25: Carl Nassib (http://www.google.com/search?q=Carl+Nassib+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Penn State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 25: Jordan Jenkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jordan+Jenkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Georgia (A+)
Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Demarcus Robinson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Demarcus+Robinson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Tre Madden (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tre+Madden+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), RB, Southern California (B+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Drew Kaser (http://www.google.com/search?q=Drew+Kaser+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), P, Texas A&M (A)






I Love Billings. His speed, power and tackling are great. But do you really think he will make it to round 2 ? I have doubts that he will even make it to 25. If they lose Mclendon in free agency...I would look at Billings at 25. But it might be wishful thinking to think Billings will make it to round 2.

[Dwinsgames]

I Love Billings. His speed, power and tackling are great. But do you really think he will make it to round 2 ? I have doubts that he will even make it to 25. If they lose Mclendon in free agency...I would look at Billings at 25. But it might be wishful thinking to think Billings will make it to round 2.

again ....
selected who was there with the mock tool

I agree you just can't even make shit up that good but ....

here it is none the less.

for the record I traded back twice from 25 to acquire the 2 extra 2nd rounders and picked the others up in the process ...

http://first-pick.com/

[hawaiiansteeler]

again ....
selected who was there with the mock tool

I agree you just can't even make shit up that good but ....

here it is none the less.

for the record I traded back twice from 25 to acquire the 2 extra 2nd rounders and picked the others up in the process ...

http://first-pick.com/

you should have been awarded an A+ and over 10,000 points from first-pick for that draft :thumbsup:

[Dwinsgames]

again unrealistic as all get out but good lord , I'll take this and give up the rest of our current free agents and still be happy

Your score is: 9397 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 12 (L.A.): Mackensie Alexander (http://www.google.com/search?q=Mackensie+Alexander+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Clemson (A)
Round 2 Pick 27: Noah Spence (http://www.google.com/search?q=Noah+Spence+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Eastern Kentucky (A+)
Round 3 Pick 2 (CLE): Connor Cook (http://www.google.com/search?q=Connor+Cook+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), QB, Michigan State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 13 (L.A.): Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia (A+)
Round 3 Pick 26: Javon Hargrave (http://www.google.com/search?q=Javon+Hargrave+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, South Carolina State (A)
Round 4 Pick 1 (CLE): Jordan Jenkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jordan+Jenkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Georgia (A-)
Round 4 Pick 25: Paul Perkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Paul+Perkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), RB, UCLA (A)
Round 5 Pick 2 (CLE): Aaron Burbridge (http://www.google.com/search?q=Aaron+Burbridge+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Michigan State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Deiondre' Hall (http://www.google.com/search?q=Deiondre%27+Hall+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Northern Iowa (A)
Round 7 Pick 8: Adam Gotsis (http://www.google.com/search?q=Adam+Gotsis+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT/DE, Georgia Tech (A+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Yannick Ngakoue (http://www.google.com/search?q=Yannick+Ngakoue+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Maryland (A+)

[Dwinsgames]

went into this one trying to build a 3-4 / 4-3 interchangeable unit taking our current roster into account giving us plenty of options for fresh players with talent in the front 7 with good enough coverage on the back end .. pressure from all angles can make a average secondary look great and its a time proven method that works

Reed , Gotsis could rotate in in a 3-4 or 4-3 with Heyward and Tuitte giving us fresh legs all year long and quality depth without losing much in terms of talent ..

Nassib and Spence could play DE in 4-3 fronts and both be situational pass rushers along with Dupree and we could see if 3-4 OLB could be in the mix situationally for them as well

Canady and White are both huge upgrades over Blake and give you something similar to Cockrell in terms of ability ..Hall is a small school kid that could be a big spark if he pans out being able to translate

Carroo is our answer for the Bryant suspension ( in conjunction with ) Coates getting more reps

Jenkins could see reps as a rookie at OLB and makes Jarvis Jones expendable ( has 3-4 experience )

Kaser is a dart toss at trying to stabilize our punt game

this leaves us hoping that we have the answer at S already on the roster with Grant -Golden





Your Picks:
Round 2 Pick 18 (BUF): Jarran Reed (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jarran+Reed+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 2 Pick 27: Noah Spence (http://www.google.com/search?q=Noah+Spence+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Eastern Kentucky (A+)
Round 3 Pick 7 (BALT): Carl Nassib (http://www.google.com/search?q=Carl+Nassib+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Penn State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 17 (BUF): Maurice Canady (http://www.google.com/search?q=Maurice+Canady+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Virginia (A-)
Round 3 Pick 26: Leonte Carroo (http://www.google.com/search?q=Leonte+Carroo+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Rutgers (A)
Round 4 Pick 19 (BUF): D.J. White (http://www.google.com/search?q=D.J.+White+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Georgia Tech (A-)
Round 4 Pick 25: Paul Perkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Paul+Perkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), RB, UCLA (A)
Round 4 Pick 32 (BALT): Jordan Jenkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jordan+Jenkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Georgia (A+)
Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Deiondre' Hall (http://www.google.com/search?q=Deiondre%27+Hall+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Northern Iowa (A)
Round 7 Pick 8: Drew Kaser (http://www.google.com/search?q=Drew+Kaser+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), P, Texas A&M (A-)
Round 7 Pick 25: Adam Gotsis (http://www.google.com/search?q=Adam+Gotsis+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT/DE, Georgia Tech (A+)

[Mojouw]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25514906/nfl-draft-plenty-of-options-at-wr-in-draft-for-steelers

Garrett in the 4th?

[Born2Steel]

it would make no sense for the Steelers to draft Lynch in the first round, but if he's on the board at 1(25) then another QB needy team may very well want to trade up for him...
Seeing how QB starved the league is right now, it would be wise to get our next SB MVP sooner rather than later. Not saying to reach at 25, but if the FO is comfortable with a guy there, who can really argue the big picture? Who would make it ok to take a QB at 25? Wentz? Goff? Lynch? Other? Looking at how deep this draft is defensively, may be the only chance to get that 1 special QB.
Just saying in another thread how there could be a situation where taking Elliot would make sense at 25. Easier, IMO, to justify a QB there than a RB.

[Dwinsgames]

4 round mock http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000643637/article/fourround-mock-40-cowboys-land-joey-bosa-derrick-henry

[Cyphon25]

Decided to go my 3rd mock since we have made some moves in FA now and will probably do another once FA wraps up. I used the Fanspeak board this time around.

Round 1 - Vernon Hargreaves III, Florida, CB - For my my CB of choice is still Mackensie Alexander but the Bucs took him. There were a few DL I liked still around but I want a year where we finally use a prime pick on a CB if the right one is there.

Round 2 - Karl Joseph, West Virginia, S - I am happy with Golden as the starter coming into the season but we still need depth and we don't have it. There were a couple of pass rushers left that I like in Scooby Wright and Kyler Fackrell but still leaning towards secondary with these choices. I also took Joseph over Darian Thompson.

Round 3 - Nick Vannett, Ohio State, TE - If I did trades I might have ended up doing that here given the choice. Garnett and Westerman were both available at G which would be my BPA but I just don't see the need with the re-signing of Foster. I could make the same argument at TE but I think this is Spaeths last season and there are injury concerns with him and given as much as we like 2 TE sets, I see this as more of a need than G. I really wanted to go DL here but wasn't in love with any of the choices. I might have taken Adam Gotsis but the injury is concerning.

Round 4 - Yannick Ngakoue, MD, OLB - Finally found a pass rusher I like still on the board here in the 4th. Really no other choices I was interested in.

[polamalubeast]

Why an TE?...More likely the steelers draft an WR than an TE in the first 4 rounds.

They are fine with the TE position with Green and James.

[Shoes]

Why an TE?...More likely the steelers draft an WR than an TE in the first 4 rounds.

They are fine with the TE position with Green and James.

Its possible they take both. I think Vannett or Higbee are a real possibility and I think there is concern about Spaeth.

[polamalubeast]

Its possible they take both.


They'll do it if they don't care of the defense ...

[Cyphon25]

Why an TE?...More likely the steelers draft an WR than an TE in the first 4 rounds.

They are fine with the TE position with Green and James.

That isn't really true. We run a lot of 2 TE sets and Green has never had to carry the full load. Don't get me wrong, I would have rather taken defense there but there was nobody I really liked.

Even with Bryant out WR is still one of our lesser positions of need. You have 3 starters already and Coates who showed starter potential. Behind them you have both Eli Rodgers and Shakim Phillips already familiar with the team who showed us some level of potential last year.

[Shoes]

They'll do it if they don't care of the defense ...

The Steelers have 7 picks I believe, they surely are not going to go D on all of them.

[polamalubeast]

That isn't really true. We run a lot of 2 TE sets and Green has never had to carry the full load. Don't get me wrong, I would have rather taken defense there but there was nobody I really liked.

Even with Bryant out WR is still one of our lesser positions of need. You have 3 starters already and Coates who showed starter potential. Behind them you have both Eli Rodgers and Shakim Phillips already familiar with the team who showed us some level of potential last year.


Agree for the WR position.

For the Tight end position,the 2nd TE grabs very few ball in a season and he is often a blocking TE, so it would be a wasted draft pick if the steelers draft a TE in the first 3-4 rounds, unless the Steelers want to involve more often their second TE.

- - - Updated - - -


The Steelers have 7 picks I believe, they surely are not going to go D on all of them.

Agreed,but in the first 4 Round,they must have at least 3 players in defense,like last year.

[Dwinsgames]

25: R1P25
CB WILLIAM JACKSON III
HOUSTON



58: R2P27
DT ROBERT NKEMDICHE
OLE MSS



89: R3P26
WR TYLER BOYD
PITTSBURGH



124: R4P25
CB ERIC MURRAY
MINNESOTA



221: R6P45
OLB ERIC STRIKER
OKLAHOMA



230: R7P8
CB KEVIN PETERSON
OKLAHOMA STATE



247: R7P25
QB NATE SUDFELD
INDIANA

[Dwinsgames]

25: R1P25
OLB SHILIQUE CALHOUN - Jarvis Jones replacement

MICHIGAN STATE



58: R2P27
S JALEN MILLS - will play CB

LSU



89: R3P26
OLB SU'A CRAVENS will play SS

USC



124: R4P25
DT MALIEK COLLINS NT/DE

NEBRASKA




221: R6P45
P TOM HACKETT punting issues now solved

UTAH




230: R7P8
WR NELSON SPRUCE once thought of as a 2nd-3rd round WR

COLORADO



247: R7P25
RB TRE MADDEN looking to improve our stable of ponies

USC

[Shoes]

Round 1 Pick 25: Andrew Billings (http://www.google.com/search?q=Andrew+Billings+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Baylor (A)
Round 2 Pick 27: Noah Spence (http://www.google.com/search?q=Noah+Spence+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Eastern Kentucky (A+)
Round 3 Pick 26: Karl Joseph (http://www.google.com/search?q=Karl+Joseph+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, West Virginia (A+)
Round 4 Pick 25: Nick Vigil (http://www.google.com/search?q=Nick+Vigil+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), ILB, Utah State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Kevin Peterson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kevin+Peterson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Oklahoma State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Demarcus Robinson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Demarcus+Robinson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Florida (A+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Ryan Malleck (http://www.google.com/search?q=Ryan+Malleck+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), TE, Virginia Tech (C)

[steelerkitty]

As of now, my picks would be.....



Round 1 Pick 25: Andrew Billings DT Baylor ( Best DT/NT I saw the past two years. I really have him on my top-10 best list )

Round 2 Pick 27: Tyler Boyd WR Pittsburgh ( Likely won't happen. But would be great value there, and is a local boy who grew up in the Burgh, and has the best hands I have seen ever )

Round 3 Pick 26: Cyrus Jones CB Alabama ( Needs some DB work. But is a great punt returner and ST player now )

Round 4 Pick 25: Joe Schobert OLB Wisconsin ( I LOVE this guy. A true self made man. A steeler type for sure. I have seen him many times, and I would take him over Ohio State OLB Josh Perry everyday of the week. Gonna be a great great Steal for some team )

Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP) Justin Simmons FS Boston College ( A very tall/big great tackling Safety on one of the best college defensive teams in the country. It would be great to get him here )

Round 7 Pick 8: Marcus Henry C Boise State ( Tough, mean spirited Center who was their Captain, and a experienced player who would be good to start grooming )

Round 7 Pick 25: Nick Kwiatkoski ILB West Virginia ( Okay look at that Last name....I mean is that a Steeler or what ? Hell, he's even from Bethel Park PA....He was born to be a Steeler right ) :lol:





Anyways fans, that's my dream draft.

[Born2Steel]

Scenario...Eli Apple, Jarran Reed, and Vonn Bell are still on the board at 25, what name is called from the podium as the selection?

To take away from the position of need debate some. Here are 3 players we can all agree, mostly, that can come in and help our defense day 1, and could, realistically, be there at 25. On one hand, I would LOVE to have this problem. But on the other, I know I don't get either of the other 2 guys once I have selected.

[Dwinsgames]

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 25: Vernon Hargreaves III (http://www.google.com/search?q=Vernon+Hargreaves+III+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Florida (A) perhaps best corner in the draft

Round 2 Pick 27: Kenny Clark (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kenny+Clark+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, UCLA (A+) nose /end tweener

Round 3 Pick 26: Miles Killebrew (http://www.google.com/search?q=Miles+Killebrew+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, Southern Utah (B+) hard hitting safety

Round 4 Pick 25: Jordan Jenkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jordan+Jenkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Georgia (A+) see ya later Jarvis

Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Demarcus Robinson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Demarcus+Robinson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Florida (A+) oozes talent but could be head case but at this point worth the risk of " fixing him "

Round 7 Pick 8: Antwaun Woods (http://www.google.com/search?q=Antwaun+Woods+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Southern California (B+) pure nose /goal line type player

Round 7 Pick 25: Tre Madden (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tre+Madden+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), RB, Southern California (A) solid depth who would be the #3 this year #2 moving forward

[steelerkitty]

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 25: Vernon Hargreaves III (http://www.google.com/search?q=Vernon+Hargreaves+III+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Florida (A) perhaps best corner in the draft

Round 2 Pick 27: Kenny Clark (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kenny+Clark+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, UCLA (A+) nose /end tweener

Round 3 Pick 26: Miles Killebrew (http://www.google.com/search?q=Miles+Killebrew+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), SS, Southern Utah (B+) hard hitting safety

Round 4 Pick 25: Jordan Jenkins (http://www.google.com/search?q=Jordan+Jenkins+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, Georgia (A+) see ya later Jarvis

Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Demarcus Robinson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Demarcus+Robinson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Florida (A+) oozes talent but could be head case but at this point worth the risk of " fixing him "

Round 7 Pick 8: Antwaun Woods (http://www.google.com/search?q=Antwaun+Woods+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Southern California (B+) pure nose /goal line type player

Round 7 Pick 25: Tre Madden (http://www.google.com/search?q=Tre+Madden+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), RB, Southern California (A) solid depth who would be the #3 this year #2 moving forward





Your draft is totally unrealistic. Hargreaves is the best CB in the draft, and will likely be a top-10 pick. Clark is not the type of DT we need, but he is still considered a player who will be taken in the 35-40 area at worst. And Jenkins in the 4th round ?...Dude he won't make is to the 3rd round, let alone the 4th.

[Dwinsgames]

Your draft is totally unrealistic. Hargreaves is the best CB in the draft, and will likely be a top-10 pick. Clark is not the type of DT we need, but he is still considered a player who will be taken in the 35-40 area at worst. And Jenkins in the 4th round ?...Dude he won't make is to the 3rd round, let alone the 4th.

HELLO ... its a mock draft game , I can only take the players that are there ...

who said it was " realistic " ?

so what teams are interviewing you as a GM or scout , just wondering since you are so quick to judge and condemn


http://first-pick.com/

[Psycho Ward 86]

Shaq Lawson is going to drop: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645213/article/shaq-lawsons-shoulder-flagged-at-combine-will-undergo-recheck

Why no one around here talks about him is still a mystery to me

[hawaiiansteeler]

Shaq Lawson is going to drop: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645213/article/shaq-lawsons-shoulder-flagged-at-combine-will-undergo-recheck

Why no one around here talks about him is still a mystery to me

I like Lawson, he's exactly the type of 4-3 edge rusher Colbert stated the Steelers are looking for.

but if his shoulder doesn't check out he may very well be off the Steelers' draft board...

[Cyphon25]

Scenario...Eli Apple, Jarran Reed, and Vonn Bell are still on the board at 25, what name is called from the podium as the selection?

To take away from the position of need debate some. Here are 3 players we can all agree, mostly, that can come in and help our defense day 1, and could, realistically, be there at 25. On one hand, I would LOVE to have this problem. But on the other, I know I don't get either of the other 2 guys once I have selected.

Vonn Bell for me and it really isn't all that close. I am not on board with Apple as a pick and would rather trade back than take him and while I like Reed, he doesn't seem to have any pass rush ability and that is something we need from an NT taken in the first round. You don't take a first round pick who is only going to play 30% of the time.

Bell I would be happy with as he fits the ideal I would like to see in our defensive backfield. Let him play FS and ball hawk because he isn't extremely physical and let Mitchell play the SS more in the box role.

So Vonn Bell and I wouldn't even have to think about the choice.

If you are talking CB we have a shot at 25 give me Alexander above pretty much all other CB's but I am starting to get the feeling he won't las until 25.

[Psycho Ward 86]

I like Lawson, he's exactly the type of 4-3 edge rusher Colbert stated the Steelers are looking for.

but if his shoulder doesn't check out he may very well be off the Steelers' draft board...

medical red flags didnt stop us from drafting jarvis jones, who also bombed his combine.

im significantly less in favor of Lawson as the pick now that Mclendon is gone but id still be really happy

[polamalubeast]

medical red flags didnt stop us from drafting jarvis jones, who also bombed his combine.

im significantly less in favor of Lawson as the pick now that Mclendon is gone but id still be really happy

I hope the steelers have learned from this mistake

[Shoes]

medical red flags didnt stop us from drafting jarvis jones, who also bombed his combine.

im significantly less in favor of Lawson as the pick now that Mclendon is gone but id still be really happy

They are probably wishing they did pass on him. :chuckle:


Updated FA list.

http://www.profootballrumors.com/2016-nfl-free-agents/

[Shoes]

Round 1 Pick 25: Andrew Billings (http://www.google.com/search?q=Andrew+Billings+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DT, Baylor (A)
Round 2 Pick 27: Su'a Cravens (http://www.google.com/search?q=Su'a+Cravens+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB/SS, Southern California (A)
Round 3 Pick 26: Deion Jones (http://www.google.com/search?q=Deion+Jones+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), OLB, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 25: Nick Vigil (http://www.google.com/search?q=Nick+Vigil+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), ILB, Utah State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 45 (COMP): Kevin Peterson (http://www.google.com/search?q=Kevin+Peterson+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), CB, Oklahoma State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 8: Anthony Zettel (http://www.google.com/search?q=Anthony+Zettel+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), DE, Penn State (B+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Daniel Braverman (http://www.google.com/search?q=Daniel+Braverman+Draft+Profile&btnI&as_sitesearch=nfl.com), WR, Western Michigan (A)