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hawaiiansteeler
01-28-2016, 02:32 PM
NFL names 8 Steelers to Super Bowl 50 Golden Team

January 28, 2016
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2014/06/14/ca0,49,1951,1349/87w00kh7-9.jpg

Steelers head coach, Chuck Noll, is carried off the field by his players led by defensive standout Joe Greene after the Steelers won their third Super Bowl. Noll and Greene were named to the NFL's Super Bowl 50 Golden Team.

The Steelers came up a few bricks shy of Super Bowl 50, but they remain the dominant force in the half-century history of the NFL’s championship game.

Super Bowl 50 Golden Team

OFFENSE

QUARTERBACK: Joe Montana
RUNNING BACKS: Franco Harris, Emmitt Smith
WIDE RECEIVERS: Jerry Rice, Lynn Swann
TIGHT END: Jay Novacek
OFFENSIVE TACKLES: Art Shell, Forrest Gregg
OFFENSIVE GUARDS: Gene Upshaw, Larry Allen
CENTER: Mike Webster

DEFENSE

DEFENSIVE ENDS: Reggie White, Charles Haley
DEFENSIVE LINEMEN: Joe Greene, Randy White
OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS: Lawrence Taylor, Jack Ham
INSIDE LINEBACKERS: Jack Lambert, Ray Lewis
CORNERBACKS: Mel Blount, Deion Sanders
SAFETIES: Ronnie Lott, Jake Scott
SPECIALISTS
KICKER: Adam Vinatieri
PUNTER: Ray Guy
RETURN SPECIALIST: Desmond Howard
HEAD COACH: Chuck Noll

Not only are the six Lombardi Trophies won by the Steelers more than any other team, they placed more all-stars on the Super Bowl 50 Golden Team than anyone else, the NFL announced today.

Seven Steelers players — nearly one-third of the 23 “starters” — plus coach Chuck Noll were chosen to the all-time Super Bowl team as chosen by the Pro Football Hall of Fame selectors. All eight also are in the Hall of Fame.

Noll, the only coach chosen is also the only coach with a perfect 4-0 record in Super Bowls. All seven of the Steelers picked for the team played for Noll in the 1970s:

Halfback Franco Harris, wide receiver Lynn Swann and center Mike Webster on offense; on defense, tackle Joe Greene, linebackers Jack Ham and Jack Lambert and cornerback Mel Blount.

The only two Steelers Hall of Famers from the 1970s who did not make the all-time Super Bowl team were quarterback Terry Bradshaw and wide receiver John Stallworth. Bradshaw was beaten out by the only other quarterback with a 4-0 Super Bowl record, Joe Montana, who played at Ringgold High School. Swann and Jerry Rice were the two wide receivers chosen.

No second team was selected.

Super Bowl 50 will take place Feb. 7 at the San Francisco 49ers new Levi’s Stadium in Santa Clara, Calif.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2016/01/28/NFL-names-8-Steelers-to/stories/201601280176

Born2Steel
01-28-2016, 07:02 PM
Hmmm....only 8?

SteelersProfessor
01-28-2016, 08:01 PM
I can't believe Noll actually got that respect.

86WARD
01-28-2016, 08:10 PM
I can't believe Noll actually got that respect.

He shouldn't have after not drafting Dan Marino. It should have gone to Bill Walsh. Noll wasn't a good coach...he just had the players. :blah:

SteelersProfessor
01-28-2016, 08:11 PM
Noll wanted Marino.

His front office didn't.

86WARD
01-28-2016, 08:33 PM
Noll wanted Marino.

His front office didn't.

You got that mixed up. There's plenty of articles and books out there suggesting that Noll made the pick. Noll had final say on all the picks. Rooney helped set up the draft board. He left final say to Noll.

SteelersProfessor
01-28-2016, 08:53 PM
OK....who drafted Ben?

86WARD
01-28-2016, 09:01 PM
OK....who drafted Ben?

Who drafted Landry? Irrelevant to the debate.

But to answer question, Dan convinced Cowher to draft Ben. Cowher never really had final say over the draft selections like Noll did and rightfully so, Cowher never had the track record that Noll did.

SteelersProfessor
01-28-2016, 09:04 PM
Who drafted Landry? Irrelevant to the debate.

But to answer question, Dan convinced Cowher to draft Ben. Cowher never really had final say over the draft selections like Noll did and rightfully so, Cowher never had the track record that Noll did.

Cowher had final say from 2000-2006. He would take suggestions/advice, but HE called the shots.

Mojouw
01-28-2016, 09:09 PM
Cowher had final say from 2000-2006. He would take suggestions/advice, but HE called the shots.

Well except for Ben then. It is well documented by everyone everywhere that Cowher wanted whatever of the Andrews brothers who came out on the o-line that year. Several scouts and other personnel folks wanted Ben. Rooney weighed in and said to draft Ben.

Ben got drafted. So...draw your own conclusions. Plus remember Cowher drafted Alonzo Jackson because he like the look in his eye.

86WARD
01-28-2016, 09:10 PM
Cowher had final say from 2000-2006. He would take suggestions/advice, but HE called the shots.

Really?!?!? He did? What year was Roethlisberger drafted?

BTW - Still irrelevant to the Rooney/Noll comment.

SteelersProfessor
01-28-2016, 09:24 PM
Rooney didn't come out and say you must draft Ben. He recommended that they should take Ben. Colbert is actually on record during SB week before the Packers game, and he said Cowher was the one who decided to draft Ben. So WTF knows.

Mojouw
01-28-2016, 09:26 PM
Rooney didn't come out and say you must draft Ben. He recommended that they should take Ben. Colbert is actually on record during SB week before the Packers game, and he said Cowher was the one who decided to draft Ben. So WTF knows.

That isn't the story I heard. I heard Cowher got outvoted and the QB was selected over the lineman. But, I don't really know for sure. Can only go on what the majority of reports I have read say.

SteelersProfessor
01-28-2016, 09:33 PM
There is no voting. The ONLY policy that has remained from Cowher to Tomlin is that his very first draft choice is the head coaches call. Who he wants is who they pick with that first choice.

Mojouw
01-28-2016, 09:37 PM
There is no voting. The ONLY policy that has remained from Cowher to Tomlin is that his very first draft choice is the head coaches call. Who he wants is who they pick with that first choice.

Well I guess you have information that contradicts and supersedes the overwhelming majority of local, national, and "insider" reporting on what went down during that draft day. Cool. Want to share?

fansince'76
01-28-2016, 09:38 PM
Think I've seen about enough...

SteelersProfessor
01-28-2016, 09:42 PM
Well I guess you have information that contradicts and supersedes the overwhelming majority of local, national, and "insider" reporting on what went down during that draft day. Cool.

Who? Post it.

I know what Colbert said before we played the Packers. I also know what Dan Rooney has said. But there's no voting like kids in a tree house. That I can assure you of.

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Btw Desmond Howard as the returner? LOL

Larry Anderson was better in SB XIV.

Mojouw
01-28-2016, 09:53 PM
Who? Post it.

I know what Colbert said before we played the Packers. I also know what Dan Rooney has said. But there's no voting like kids in a tree house. That I can assure you of.

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Btw Desmond Howard as the returner? LOL

Larry Anderson was better in SB XIV.

http://thesteelersnat.com/2015-archives/the-anatomy-of-a-draft-pick-ben-roethlisberger.html

From this Article - http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1470510-deja-vu-all-over-again
Cowher even changed QBs the following year and still made the playoffs before turning the offense into absolute finesse by 2003. Yet that team didn't have a QB who could throw the thing reliably. That came two years later when Cowher was talked out of drafting guard Shawn Andrews and into drafting Ben Roethlisberger (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=7827586).

https://twitter.com/steigerworld/status/638779153391722497

I mean the Google machine is just full of accounts of the Ben draft pick. Cowher wanted Andrews. Rooney and others wanted Ben. We will likely never know the exact sequence of events that went down in the draft room that day, but it really isn't up for much debate. Cowher didn't want to draft the Qb. He was going to bolster the o-line and roll with Maddox.

Hell, he even drafted Worilds over Sean Lee -- I think...

SteelersProfessor
01-28-2016, 09:55 PM
Hahahahahaha Jim Wexell!!

Hahahahahahahahaha

John Steigerwald is also a known Cowher hater and a Kordell apologist, who blames Cowher for Kordell not being the bestest of all time.

Mojouw
01-28-2016, 10:05 PM
Hahahahahaha Jim Wexell!!

Hahahahahahahahaha

John Steigerwald is also a known Cowher hater and a Kordell apologist, who blames Cowher for Kordell not being the bestest of all time.

So any information contrary to your version of events, which you have backed up with nothing, can simply be disregarded because you don't like it?

Let me guess, you have 3 signs for Trump in your yard right now.

SteelersProfessor
01-28-2016, 10:18 PM
Someone posted this on Planet to call me out.....God Bless Archives. From SB week 2010 just like I said.....I'm pretty sure this is Clayton's work....


Choosing Ben Roethlisberger with the 11th pick of the 2004 draft. Normally, I'd make the franchise quarterback a GM's best decision -- especially with Big Ben on the verge of winning his third Super Bowl -- but Colbert credits former coach Bill Cowher for selling everyone on the Miami (of Ohio) quarterback, saying the move had to be made "for the good of the organization." He was right. Roethlisberger is one of the top quarterbacks in the game and a virtual certainty to make the Hall of Fame."

Mojouw
01-28-2016, 10:23 PM
Someone posted this on Planet to call me out.....God Bless Archives. From SB week 2010 just like I said.....I'm pretty sure this is Clayton's work....


Choosing Ben Roethlisberger with the 11th pick of the 2004 draft. Normally, I'd make the franchise quarterback a GM's best decision -- especially with Big Ben on the verge of winning his third Super Bowl -- but Colbert credits former coach Bill Cowher for selling everyone on the Miami (of Ohio) quarterback, saying the move had to be made "for the good of the organization." He was right. Roethlisberger is one of the top quarterbacks in the game and a virtual certainty to make the Hall of Fame."

Like I already said, I never doubted that this was reported, but it goes totally against the overall weight of reporting/stories about how that draft went down.

I could just as easily dismiss this as fence mending between Colbert and Cowher during the good feelings of a SB run by the team they share in common. What is Colbert going to do, throw Cowher under the bus after the dude is retired?

SteelersProfessor
01-28-2016, 10:34 PM
But by stating this, he threw his employer and the man who signs his checks, Dan Rooney under the bus, no?

hawaiiansteeler
01-29-2016, 12:04 AM
Think I've seen about enough...

Planet Steelers tried to ban Crash about 30 times but they didn't have a way to block his IP address so he just kept coming back under yet another alias.

I finally got so fed up with his redundant bullshit that I just decided to stop posting there. Crash is actually quite knowledgeable but every thread ends up with the same repetitive argument until all the posters on that board are annoyed, pissed off and frustrated as hell...

SteelersProfessor
01-29-2016, 10:08 AM
I finally got so fed up with his redundant bullshit that I just decided to stop posting there.

Don't lie, you got pissed because others yelled at you for discussing things with me.

I also told YOU, via PM, don't give them the satisfaction of running you off. And you should go back.

hawaiiansteeler
01-29-2016, 11:02 AM
Don't lie, you got pissed because others yelled at you for discussing things with me.

I also told YOU, via PM, don't give them the satisfaction of running you off. And you should go back.

yes, I did get pissed that other posters there suggested to me that I shouldn't respond to your racist comments. they might be cowards that don't have the backbone to stand up for themselves but I'm not afraid of or intimidated by you whatsoever.

and as I told YOU, via PM, go f*** yourself.

SteelersProfessor
01-29-2016, 11:04 AM
What's there to be afraid of Jim Duggan? It's a football message board. Stop the tough guy act.

By all means, debate away. When all someone can do is insult and pull out the troll card? They got nothing.

hawaiiansteeler
01-29-2016, 11:21 AM
What's there to be afraid of Jim Duggan? It's a football message board. Stop the tough guy act.

By all means, debate away. When all someone can do is insult and pull out the troll card? They got nothing.

in your last two posts you have now called me a liar and a troll.

what have you got next for me, some racial stereotypes perhaps?

86WARD
01-29-2016, 12:16 PM
What's there to be afraid of Jim Duggan? It's a football message board. Stop the tough guy act.

By all means, debate away. When all someone can do is insult and pull out the troll card? They got nothing.

Irony.

hawaiiansteeler
01-29-2016, 03:05 PM
Irony.

yup, dripping with it...

zulater
01-29-2016, 03:27 PM
How the eff could a thread about 8 Steeler greats being named to the 50th anniversary All time team Super Bowl team devolve into any sort of argument on a Steelers message board? :frusty:

Seriously! :wtf:

I may have to look into Dwins board for awhile. :coffee:

SteelersProfessor
01-29-2016, 03:31 PM
I'll tell you why, because I gave Noll credit and then 86 Ward trolled the thread and ruined it.

zulater
01-29-2016, 03:36 PM
L.C. Greenwood belongs on that list over Charles Haley and he also belongs in the HOF. L.C. dominated HOF right tackles Ron Yary , Rayfield Wright, and Jackie Slater in his individual matchups with them in Super Bowls. Just because a lot of Steelers made it to Canton doesn't make it right to exclude someone who so richly deserves induction.


OK folks, that's what this thread is supposed to be about. Carry on.

SteelersProfessor
01-29-2016, 03:39 PM
Haley is worthy though. His going to the Cowboys changed the landscape of the entire conference.

I would have put LC over Reggie White.

zulater
01-29-2016, 03:43 PM
Haley is worthy though. His going to the Cowboys changed the landscape of the entire conference.

I would have put LC over Reggie White.

Yeah you could do it that way too. Three dominant and one very good Super Bowl as opposed to one dominant Super Bowl for Reggie would make sense.

They should have named a second team though then it wouldn't be as bad.

If they named a second team I would imagine Bradshaw would have had to make it too.

Mojouw
01-29-2016, 04:00 PM
Yeah you could do it that way too. Three dominant and one very good Super Bowl as opposed to one dominant Super Bowl for Reggie would make sense.

They should have named a second team though then it wouldn't be as bad.

If they named a second team I would imagine Bradshaw would have had to make it too.

I know Polamalu didn't really "impact" as SB in a very visible way, but to leave off one of the most dominant defensive players of his generation - seems like a second team was in order.

Also, without Polamalu's over-under coverage with Taylor, Fitzgerald would've ripped that team apart -possibly. That was wrinkle that was put in for one game to take away the Cards best weapon. Until late in the game it was very effective.

Craic
01-29-2016, 05:32 PM
Think I've seen about enough...

I immediately looked to SteelersProfessor's post to see "Banned" and was disappointed!

hawaiiansteeler
01-29-2016, 05:43 PM
I immediately looked to SteelersProfessor's post to see "Banned" and was disappointed!

it's just a matter of time...

tube517
01-29-2016, 06:32 PM
L.C. Greenwood belongs on that list over Charles Haley and he also belongs in the HOF. L.C. dominated HOF right tackles Ron Yary , Rayfield Wright, and Jackie Slater in his individual matchups with them in Super Bowls. Just because a lot of Steelers made it to Canton doesn't make it right to exclude someone who so richly deserves induction.


OK folks, that's what this thread is supposed to be about. Carry on.

Agree with this. LC has the most sacks in Super Bowl history even though they were not officially counted until after the 70s Steelers dynasty was over.

SteelerFanInStl
01-29-2016, 07:48 PM
it's just a matter of time...

Every single thread on this forum has this noob arguing with everyone else.

86WARD
01-29-2016, 08:17 PM
I'll tell you why, because I gave Noll credit and then 86 Ward trolled the thread and ruined it.

It's called sarcasm first of all. Second of all, you were wrong in your statement about Marino, Rooney and Noll. I was just correcting the comment. That's not really trolling.

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If they named a second team I would imagine Bradshaw would have had to make it too.

The guy won 4 Super Bowls. Regardless of what he had around him, the guy was a player and he deserves to be on a second team...no doubt.

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If they named a second team I would imagine Bradshaw would have had to make it too.

The guy won 4 Super Bowls. Regardless of what he had around him, the guy was a player and he deserves to be on a second team...no doubt.

Kanata Steeler
01-29-2016, 08:36 PM
Yes, but not according to Marsha:
http://www.theonion.com/article/tom-brady-joe-montana-sucks-and-i-am-better-than-h-37788
;)

salamander
01-29-2016, 09:12 PM
Glad to see those guys being honored like that. Much deserved!

SteelersProfessor
01-29-2016, 09:39 PM
Second of all, you were wrong in your statement about Marino, Rooney and Noll.

I'll take what was reported at the time, over the revisionist history that's happened 30 years later.

hawaiiansteeler
01-29-2016, 10:25 PM
I'll take what was reported at the time, over the revisionist history that's happened 30 years later.


yeah, we'll just accept your version of how you remember revisionist history from 30 years ago without any links or proof to corroborate anything you claim...:crazy:

86WARD
01-29-2016, 10:27 PM
Lol. No proof. Produce the magazine...sounds like you read it a lot...you must have it.

SteelersProfessor
01-29-2016, 10:35 PM
yeah, we'll just accept your version of how you remember revisionist history from 30 years ago without any links or proof to corroborate anything you claim...:crazy:

Sporting News wasn't online 30 years ago. Shula supposedly also wanted to trade him in 1990 and Marino gave him 4 teams that he would accept a trade to: Steelers, Raiders, Bears, Colts. Dan Rooney later came out and said they weren't interested, they wanted to stay with Brister.

fansince'76
01-29-2016, 10:40 PM
Enough is enough.

fansince'76
01-29-2016, 11:21 PM
Planet Steelers tried to ban Crash about 30 times but they didn't have a way to block his IP address so he just kept coming back under yet another alias.

He's apparently aware of free foreign IP proxies. I've caught him trying to sneak back on 3 times since I banned him a little over a half hour ago. Banned those IPs too. But chances are he'll slip back on eventually as I can't monitor the board 24/7.

zulater
01-30-2016, 08:03 AM
Sporting News wasn't online 30 years ago. Shula supposedly also wanted to trade him in 1990 and Marino gave him 4 teams that he would accept a trade to: Steelers, Raiders, Bears, Colts. Dan Rooney later came out and said they weren't interested, they wanted to stay with Brister.

The only time I ever heard hint of Marino possibly coming to Pittsburgh was in 2000. And as I remember it was the Steelers who expressed interest in Marino and Marino gave it some thought but decided against it and went ahead and retired.

Kordell was coming off two straight brutal years at the time, but Marino hadn't been a whole lot better in 99 with the Dolphins. But Marino did have a good year in 98, so the Steelers thought his problems were more coach related ( Marino and Jimmy Johnson hated each other) than anything. They thought combining him with an in his prime franchise back (Jerome Bettis) would reignite the flame in Marino. And who knows it might have? But in the end I think Dan wanted his pro legacy to be that of a one team player, plus he probably had some fears that it wouldn't work in Pittsburgh. Marino was never quite the same after he snapped his achillies in 9 3. He had some pretty good years after that, but he wasn't consistently great as he was before the injury.

If Marino had been made available to trade in 90 you do understand they would have wanted boatload in return? He was easily one of the league's top 5 qb's still in his prime. You're talking 2 1st round picks plus multiple proven players.

Last thing, if you google Dan Marino trade rumors the only thing you get back is some speculation concerning it before he signed his final contract with the Dolphins in 96. But again Marino by that point was already in decline. And it was only speculation.

One last thing concerning googled Marino trade rumors results. A Pittsburgh radio station speculated upon it at the close of the 88 season. But there was never any substance to it. They took a couple quotes Marino made after a season ending loss to the Steelers and added 2+2 and managed to get 22.

teegre
01-30-2016, 08:50 AM
Whom to put on this list is indeed interesting.

For example, Larry Brown ( :mad: ) and Dexter Jackson have two of the most memorable SuperBowl performances of all time, but truly they are average players (at best).

Troy Polamalu and Reggie White are two of the greatest players in NFL history, but they don't have as many SuperBowl appearances nor do they have as noteworthy of performances as Charles Haley and Donnie Shell.

So... which is more important: the performance DURING the game, or, the CAREER of said player?

fansince'76
01-30-2016, 09:00 AM
Whom to put on this list is indeed interesting.

For example, Larry Brown ( :mad: ) and Dexter Jackson have two of the most memorable SuperBowl performances of all time, but truly they are average players (at best).

Troy Polamalu and Reggie White are two of the greatest players in NFL history, but they don't have as many SuperBowl appearances nor do they have as noteworthy of performances as Charles Haley and Donnie Shell.

So... which is more important: the performance DURING the game, or, the CAREER of said player?

Don't forget Doug Williams and Timmy Smith.

Joe Gibbs got so much out of marginal talent in the biggest games...

teegre
01-30-2016, 09:02 AM
Don't forget Doug Williams and Timmy Smith.

Joe Gibbs got so much out of marginal talent in the biggest games...

Yes!!! Timmy Smith was the EXACT name that I was looking for.

Timmy Smith versus Walter Payton??? One had an amazing SuperBowl, and, one is a Hall of Famer.

tube517
01-30-2016, 09:09 AM
Don't forget Doug Williams and Timmy Smith.

Joe Gibbs got so much out of marginal talent in the biggest games...

3 average QBs. 3 Super Bowls.

Common ingredients: Art Monk, Smurfs and Hogs.

fansince'76
01-30-2016, 09:15 AM
3 average QBs. 3 Super Bowls.

Common ingredients: Art Monk, Smurfs and Hogs.

...and Darrell Green, at least in the last 2.

And Theismann? Average? Blasphemy! :chuckle:

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Joe+Theismann+DvuWfZ8sJFam.jpg

tube517
01-30-2016, 09:23 AM
...and Darrell Green, at least in the last 2.

He's a shirmp. Doesn't count. :lol:

Forgot about him. Great returner as well. The only true superstar on their defense.

tube517
02-05-2016, 12:07 PM
http://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-on/article-1/Labriola-on-Noll-rooting-for-Richardson/7408b586-c67d-4395-bec2-ed0709d9764d


Back in 2008 when there was a reality the Rooney family could lose controlling interest in the Pittsburgh Steelers to hedge-fund manager Stanley Druckenmiller, Richardson was one of the owners who loudly explained that any sale would require 24 yes-votes from NFL ownership all the while promising to work to make sure that never happened.

fansince'76
02-05-2016, 12:46 PM
Back in 2008 when there was a reality the Rooney family could lose controlling interest in the Pittsburgh Steelers to hedge-fund manager Stanley Druckenmiller, Richardson was one of the owners who loudly explained that any sale would require 24 yes-votes from NFL ownership all the while promising to work to make sure that never happened.

All over horse racing tracks, no less.

Can't have that! No gambling should be tied to the NFL in any way, shape of form! No way, no how! Gotta think about the integrity of the league!

But Goodell's "daddy" and Jerry Jones investing in fantasy FOOTBALL sites, which directly involve NFL players? No problem whatsoever! :coffee:

steelamazing
02-05-2016, 01:36 PM
If they named a second team I would imagine Bradshaw would have had to make it too.

Unfortunately Shady Brady would probably be picked over Bradshaw. :rolleyes:

if The Seahawks would have just ran a bootleg on that final playcall, Brady would have never got # 4 :yuck2:

tube517
02-05-2016, 01:49 PM
Unfortunately Shady Brady would probably be picked over Bradshaw. :rolleyes:

if The Seahawks would have just ran a bootleg that playcall Brady would have never got # 4 :yuck2:

Marsha** never had to put a game away or win one like Bradshaw did. Vinateri and Butler won* games for him.

Bradshaw either won the Super Bowl or sealed a victory in every single one with a 4th quarter TD.

steelamazing
02-05-2016, 01:53 PM
Marsha** never had to put a game away or win one like Bradshaw did. Vinateri and Butler won* games for him.

Bradshaw either won the Super Bowl or sealed a victory in every single one with a 4th quarter TD.

I completely agree with you, I know the media loves Brady and Bradshaw dont get the respect, Bradshaw was a big play, big game QB

zulater
02-05-2016, 04:24 PM
All over horse racing tracks, no less.

Can't have that! No gambling should be tied to the NFL in any way, shape of form! No way, no how! Gotta think about the integrity of the league!

But Goodell's "daddy" and Jerry Jones investing in fantasy FOOTBALL sites, which directly involve NFL players? No problem whatsoever! :coffee:

Actually it wasn't the horse (and dog) racing that was supposedly the problem. It's when those long standing Rooney venues ( Yonkers Raceway in New York and Pompono Downs in Florida) got slot machines. Of course how legal slot machines caused Her Commish problems God only knows? But a shady online gambling operation's who's results are entirely derived from Pro football results doesn't concern the idiot. Well idiot is the wrong word, more like conniving prick who tried to heist the franchise for one of his friends or business buddies.

fansince'76
02-06-2016, 01:32 PM
Actually it wasn't the horse (and dog) racing that was supposedly the problem. It's when those long standing Rooney venues ( Yonkers Raceway in New York and Pompono Downs in Florida) got slot machines. Of course how legal slot machines caused Her Commish problems God only knows?

Just a convenient excuse to try and drive another "old guard" owner out of the league since they don't fit his "corporate vision" for the NFL. Because goodness knows, the "new guard" billionaires who really don't give a fuck about the game itself outside of being another potential revenue stream/tax write off have been so great for the league. I know I've never enjoyed NFL football more! I don't think the quality of play has ever been higher! :sarcasm: