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zulater
10-24-2015, 02:24 PM
This thread concerns Steelers who either had great talent that was never quite realized or were within grasp of a great moment only to have it slip away into the ether. Whether the cause of falling short was self inflicted or was a matter of bad timing or just rotten luck, these are players that came so close to being special as Steelers but didn't quite get there.

So on with the stories, and sorry if the opening paragraph was a bit redundant.

1. Joe Gilliam. Ask any Steeler of the times if this guy had the talent and you would get a resounding yes. The man could do everything a pocket passer is required to do and then some. He could throw every pass with authority. He could run, but that was never his plan, he would stay with the play and go through his progressions as long as possible. Probably longer than Bradshaw ( at that point in his career) in fact.

Now while you can point out that many of Joe's issues were self inflicted, I can't help but feel sorry for the guy on so many fronts. For one he was carrying the mantle of the black qb. No small thing at the time. His father was an outstanding qb for WV state University and was never given a chance to play qb in the NFL. Though he was offered a chance to play wr.(Joe Sr)

The Pittsburgh Black Courier which was a national and possibly the most powerful periodical of the time in the black community made him the poster boy of the cause of black qb's. They made him the cover of the paper at least 10 times in 1974.

Now if you don't think that was enough pressure, then there was the racist whites, who threatened he and his entire families life many times over. Throw this all at a young man who also had to deal with Chuck Noll. A guy Terry Bradshaw could barely handle. A lot on this young man's shoulders.

According to Joe's mother and father Joe never did drugs prior to the 74 season. He was introduced to them during the course of that season and as is true with many who try heroin once you've gone there there's no path back. I think the enormous pressure he was under from so many sides proved to be too much in the end

And along with all of that all in my opinion the biggest problem he had was he played in an era when qb's were expected to call their own plays. And Joe being in love with his arm ( and why shouldn't he have been? It was that damn good) called way too many passes for Chuck Noll's liking. He became his own worst enemy on the field strictly by not taking the easy way out and handing the ball to Franco 30 times a game. Don't believe me look at some of the box scores of the games when Terry was given the starting qb job back. One late season game against the Saints, Franco took 40 hand-offs from Terry.

Put Joe in today's game with the eye in the sky calling the plays and he's likely saved from himself.

Another thing to keep in mind is when Joe's play did start to falter there was this future Hall of Famer, dude by the name of Terry Bradshaw, the number one overall pick of the 69 draft waiting in the wings. So once gone the position never came available again. I've often wondered given the talent Joe flashed early in that 74 season, if he's on one of about 20 other teams with no future HOF'er sitting in the shadows would patience have been exercised and ultimately prevailed with Joe? It's also worth mentioning that Joe didn't turn 24 year old until Dec 29 of the 74 season. Back then the common thought was that qb's should be given 5 years to mature. Joe was given all of 6 games. And that's not intended as a knock on Noll. Just a reference to the circumstance of Terry Bradshaw waiting to emerge.

To finish up, in my opinion Joe Gilliam would be recognized as one of the top 25 qb's to ever play the game if he had come along at the right time and gone to the right team.

Next up Frank Lewis.

zulater
10-24-2015, 07:20 PM
Damn. Thought I might get some feed back on this? :noidea: Oh well sometimes your hardest efforts go for naught. I suppose I'll leave this thread to die where it's at then.:rip:

Shoes
10-24-2015, 07:48 PM
Very nice read, Zu. I liked Joe, its amazing the arm this guy had for such a thin framed man. Its too bad there wasn't help available like today for drug issues. Nice work!

86WARD
10-24-2015, 08:14 PM
I like it. Good read. I have a guy that I think qualifies in a way according to the title of the thread. Personally I feel like he could've been great and it started that way...then just went downhill after a few seasons. I don't want to mention him yet in case he is on your list.

zulater
10-24-2015, 08:16 PM
I like it. Good read. I have a guy that I think qualifies in a way according to the title of the thread. Personally I feel like he could've been great and it started that way...then just went downhill after a few seasons. I don't want to mention him yet in case he is on your list.

Please feel free to add on the list as you see fit. That goes for everyone.

86WARD
10-24-2015, 08:50 PM
My guy isn't a popular guy around here but I truly believe if he was used properly, he could have been something special. Kordell Stewart. The bottom line, for me, is if he stayed "Slash", he would've been something really special. Teams weren't able to prepare for him. They didn't know what to do with him whether he was a WR, RB, QB...he pretty much ran the "wildcat" before the wildcat "arrived" to the NFL and he did it with a whole lot of success. As a wideout, Slash posted some ridiculous averages. In '95 he had 14 receptions for 235 yards and a TD. A 16.8 average. He was a game changer. '96 that continued as he posted 17 catches for 293, 3 TDs and a 17.2 average. Once he insisted on being a full time QB, once Cowher tried to puch him on the league as a full-tie QB and once he had a full season of tape on him, it was over.

When O'Donnell left in 1996 and the Mike Tomczak experiment failed, 1997 led to Kordell dropping the "Slash" nickname and becoming a full time QB. He had a solid season passing for over 3000 yards, 21 TDs, 17 INTs. He added 476 yards on the ground and another 11 TDs...4 more than Jerome Bettis. The guy was looking like a legit threat...but now there was a full 16 games of tape on him as a QB...from there it went downhill. Aside from 2001, which was probably he best season as a QB, he was pretty awful as a full-time QB...and even that season was questionable. He was no where near bringing the excitement and energy he brought in 95, 96, 97 once he became a full-time QB. You can clearly see it in the stats below.

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Some say that when Chan Gailey left it hurt Stewart as a QB and an all around player. It's possible. Production went down with Sherman for a season in 98 and when Gilbride arrived in 1999 and 2000, Stewart was at his worst. There appeared to be some hope when Mularkey showed up in 2001, with what could be argued to be his best season as an NFL QB. He made the Pro Bowl, won a playoff game before losing to the Patriots. That success quickly dissipated in 2002 as he was benched for Tommy Maddox and wound up being his last season.

Shoes
10-24-2015, 10:19 PM
I think Donnie Shell (5' 11" 190 LBS) could fit in here. He entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent in 1974 and helped the Steelers win 4 SB's.
Troy and Ed Reed will see the HOF one day, I don't think Donnie Shell ever will. Shell seemed like a cross between Troy and Reed, but was better, hit harder and was far more durable, playing at a high level well into the 80's. From 1979 to 1984 he had at least 5 picks per season. He played in 201 games for the Steelers, second only to Mike Webster who played in 220. I remember him making many crushing hits on Earl Campbell. Shell was overshadowed by so many great players on the Steelers D in the 70's. He had 51 picks between 1974 & 1987.

They just don't make them like this anymore!

Psycho Ward 86
10-24-2015, 10:20 PM
Mike Vrabel!

Steeldude
10-24-2015, 10:21 PM
Yep, if Kordell would have stayed a WR he would have had a huge career. He reminded me of a more athletic version of Cris Carter.

tube517
10-24-2015, 11:48 PM
Louis Lipps.

Had the misfortune of playing w/scrub QBs and a running team. If Marino had been drafted by the Steelers or Lipps played in Terry or Ben's era, he would have thrived.

fansince'76
10-25-2015, 12:38 AM
Limas Sweed. Seriously. Had absolutely no problem getting open, had no problem with the physicality of the game (see huge block on Corey Ivy). Certainly had all the physical tools. Seemed to develop a debilitating mental block early on when it came to catching the ball that just got worse and worse, and that was at least partially due to Tomlin and company mishandling him, IMO. After his first drop it seemed like it took forever for him to get another opportunity afterward and he was a mental wreck by that point.

teegre
10-25-2015, 07:28 AM
Limas Sweed. Seriously. Had absolutely no problem getting open, had no problem with the physicality of the game (see huge block on Corey Ivy). Certainly had all the physical tools. Seemed to develop a debilitating mental block early on when it came to catching the ball that just got worse and worse, and that was at least partially due to Tomlin and company mishandling him, IMO. After his first drop it seemed like it took forever for him to get another opportunity afterward and he was a mental wreck by that point.

That is a great choice.

I've stated that if they were to redraft the 2008 draft, I'd take Sweed in R2 again. That's how much I liked the pick. I definitely thought that it was the steal of that draft.

I'll disagree with one thing, though. Tomlin could have cut the guy, once Sweed started having mental issues. Instead, Tomlin sent to a psychologist, and paid for counseling for over a year. (It's very similar to how they handled Spence: they could have cut him, but they stuck by him and got him rehab.)

Sweed is easily my biggest disappointment. Great choice.

86WARD
10-25-2015, 07:56 AM
Limas Sweed. Seriously. Had absolutely no problem getting open, had no problem with the physicality of the game (see huge block on Corey Ivy). Certainly had all the physical tools. Seemed to develop a debilitating mental block early on when it came to catching the ball that just got worse and worse, and that was at least partially due to Tomlin and company mishandling him, IMO. After his first drop it seemed like it took forever for him to get another opportunity afterward and he was a mental wreck by that point.

There was one point he was poised to takeover the world...I Remember it well!!

I loved the Sweed pick. It was my favorite pick of that draft. Didn't like the amending all pick and hated the Davis pick but the Sweed pick, in my mind, made up for those...

fansince'76
10-25-2015, 08:49 AM
There was one point he was poised to takeover the world...I Remember it well!!

So do I... :chuckle:

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lipps83
10-25-2015, 09:50 AM
Louis Lipps.

Had the misfortune of playing w/scrub QBs and a running team. If Marino had been drafted by the Steelers or Lipps played in Terry or Ben's era, he would have thrived.

For sure! This is why I chose Lipps as my nickname. Lipps had it all except for a QB to get him the ball.

lipps83
10-25-2015, 09:56 AM
That is a great choice.

I've stated that if they were to redraft the 2008 draft, I'd take Sweed in R2 again. That's how much I liked the pick. I definitely thought that it was the steal of that draft.

I'll disagree with one thing, though. Tomlin could have cut the guy, once Sweed started having mental issues. Instead, Tomlin sent to a psychologist, and paid for counseling for over a year. (It's very similar to how they handled Spence: they could have cut him, but they stuck by him and got him rehab.)

Sweed is easily my biggest disappointment. Great choice.

Sweed would be my number two after Lipps. A lot of people don't remember that Sweed injured his wrist going into his final year at Texas. He re-injured the wrist and needed surgery which caused him to miss the rest of the year.

I think his wrist was his problem with catching the ball. If anyone remembers, he was probably a top 15 pick before he got hurt. I don't think the inability to catch was mental at all, but more physical. I wonder if he had an issue with positioning his hand correctly and comfortably to adequately catch.

He wasn't even able to catch on with two teams in the CFL. To me that is a physical problem, not a mental one.

tube517
10-25-2015, 09:59 AM
That is a great choice.

I've stated that if they were to redraft the 2008 draft, I'd take Sweed in R2 again. That's how much I liked the pick. I definitely thought that it was the steal of that draft.

I'll disagree with one thing, though. Tomlin could have cut the guy, once Sweed started having mental issues. Instead, Tomlin sent to a psychologist, and paid for counseling for over a year. (It's very similar to how they handled Spence: they could have cut him, but they stuck by him and got him rehab.)

Sweed is easily my biggest disappointment. Great choice.


Limas Sweed. Seriously. Had absolutely no problem getting open, had no problem with the physicality of the game (see huge block on Corey Ivy). Certainly had all the physical tools. Seemed to develop a debilitating mental block early on when it came to catching the ball that just got worse and worse, and that was at least partially due to Tomlin and company mishandling him, IMO. After his first drop it seemed like it took forever for him to get another opportunity afterward and he was a mental wreck by that point.

What if Sweed had caught that pass in the AFC Championship game vs the Ravens? What if he caught that pass vs Cincy in the end zone the following year? Yes, it's a what if but those were the 2 big passes if I remember correctly that got everyone so down on him.

TeeTee
10-25-2015, 12:02 PM
This is easy.

Barry Foster - Just lost his heart after he got his first big deal. Noll called him "the toughest player I have ever seen" (and then promptly never gave him playing time). Barry is never mentioned when the subject of good Steelers' RBs comes up. But at one point, he was 2nd in he NFL in rushing, only behind Emmitt Smith, if I recall correctly.

Yancey Thigpen - when he was healthy - which was about half the time - he was a top 3 WR in the NFL. But his time was brief, in terms of playing time because he was always hurt and he left as a free agent (and I didn't cringe at all when he left because I knew he was due to be hurt all the next season and he was).

Game time!

hawaiiansteeler
10-25-2015, 02:22 PM
What if Sweed had caught that pass in the AFC Championship game vs the Ravens?

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zulater
10-25-2015, 03:13 PM
Frank Lewis was a perfect example of a gifted player being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Of course he did get two SB rings so it wasn't all bad. :lol: Anyway getting to Lewis's story. He was the Steelers number 1 draft choice in 71. He had everything you want in a receiver, blazing speed, good hands, and ideal size. (6'1" 196 lbs big for the era) In his early years a combination of poor qb play and twitchy hamstrings led to 3 fairly unproductive seasons for Lewis. As he only started 13 games combined from 71-4 and had career totals of only 53 catches for 844 yards with 5 td's the Steelers approached the 74 draft with an eye to upgrading the receiver position. Which of course they did in the greatest draft haul in league history which included two hall of fame wr's in the body of Lynn Swann and John Stallworth. Frank went on to play 4 more seasons for the Steelers, with his personal highlight being the 76 yard td pass he caught from Bradshaw on the opening series of the divisional playoff game against the Colts in 76.

The Steelers and Lewis parted ways after the 77 season after which Frank hooked on with the Bills. ( can't remember if he was traded or released to get there?) Anyway for the next 5 seasons Lewis was in the conversation for the best receiver in the game. He had two 1,0000 yard receiving seasons with the Bills, this in an era when that was extremely rare. Consider Swann never had a 1,000 season, yet me made 1st team All Pro two times.

So in the end one's left wondering if Bradshaw had got his act together earlier or had Lewis had a little bit better luck with his health do the Steelers approach that 74 draft differently? And instead of Lynn Swann and Stallworth being inducted into the Hall of Fame would Frank Lewis had made it instead. Believe me when this guy finally got his chance in Buffalo he proved he was indeed a difference making player.


Next up, Kendrell (Tinker) Bell.

86WARD
10-25-2015, 03:18 PM
This is easy.

Barry Foster - Just lost his heart after he got his first big deal. Noll called him "the toughest player I have ever seen" (and then promptly never gave him playing time). Barry is never mentioned when the subject of good Steelers' RBs comes up. But at one point, he was 2nd in he NFL in rushing, only behind Emmitt Smith, if I recall correctly.

Yancey Thigpen - when he was healthy - which was about half the time - he was a top 3 WR in the NFL. But his time was brief, in terms of playing time because he was always hurt and he left as a free agent (and I didn't cringe at all when he left because I knew he was due to be hurt all the next season and he was).

Game time!

I thought of Foster too. He's one of my all-time favorites...he was leading the lead in rushing the last game of the season until Emmitt passed him during the 4:00 game.

Mojouw
10-25-2015, 03:18 PM
Tim "drugs are great" Worley and Bam " I really really like drugs" Morris.


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lipps83
10-25-2015, 03:33 PM
This is easy.

Barry Foster - Just lost his heart after he got his first big deal. Noll called him "the toughest player I have ever seen" (and then promptly never gave him playing time). Barry is never mentioned when the subject of good Steelers' RBs comes up. But at one point, he was 2nd in he NFL in rushing, only behind Emmitt Smith, if I recall correctly.

To me, Barry Foster was the best back (talent wise) the Steelers have had since Harris until Bell came along.

Bettis is a hall of famer, but he will always be severely overrated to me.

Mojouw
10-25-2015, 04:17 PM
To me, Barry Foster was the best back (talent wise) the Steelers have had since Harris until Bell came along.

Bettis is a hall of famer, but he will always be severely overrated to me.

What did I just read? I can't wrap my head around that statement. Jerome Bettis had the best feet of any big back ever. There is no world where Jerome Bettis is over rated. In his prime, everyone in the stadium knew he was getting the ball, and it did not matter. Not. In. The. Least. He still would get his yards.

lipps83
10-25-2015, 05:26 PM
What did I just read? I can't wrap my head around that statement. Jerome Bettis had the best feet of any big back ever. There is no world where Jerome Bettis is over rated. In his prime, everyone in the stadium knew he was getting the ball, and it did not matter. Not. In. The. Least. He still would get his yards.

Every fan has a player they feel has been overrated. Bettis is mine. He was good, but I won't consider him great. Great dude, certainly a fan favorite, but overrated as a player in my eyes. You mention his feet, but I can't name a back I saw trip over his own feet more than Bettis did. You need one or two yards, he is your man and you would be hard pressed to find someone better. You need 10 yards, better find someone else. That isn't a great back, in my eyes. It is a back limited in what contributions can be made.

He had two great years, 96 and 97. Other than that, meh. It was the style of offense that was played as well as a great offensive line that lead directly to his success. Leroy Thompson, Eric Pegram, Bam Morris, Barry Foster, Richard Huntley, Amos Zereoue, Chris Muafatamamalallalala all looked decent in that offense that Cowher ran.

Not one of them had any sort of success once they left the Steelers. They all fell out of the league within a few years of signing with a new team.

The system made the player 100% here.

How many times did we hear of Bettis losing his starting job? Quite a few. To Huntley, to Zereoue and to Duce Staley. He eventually got the job back, but a great player should never be in that position in the first place. They shouldn't need to be motivated.

teegre
10-25-2015, 05:28 PM
What if Sweed had caught that pass in the AFC Championship game vs the Ravens? What if he caught that pass vs Cincy in the end zone the following year? Yes, it's a what if but those were the 2 big passes if I remember correctly that got everyone so down on him.

Alas...

Mojouw
10-25-2015, 06:38 PM
On the Bettis thing. Sounds like your thinking too much of old late career Jerome. When he first came over from the Rams he used to bust long runs often. You can have all kinds of opinions but there just isn't a reality where Bettis wasn't one of the best backs ever. Last of a breed. We will likely never see the era of big RBs return.


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86WARD
10-25-2015, 07:03 PM
Bam Morris had a promising career ahead of him...he probably would have been a Super Bowl MVP had Neil O'Donnell not thrown two INTs...it was either 6-Pound Bam or Andre Hastings...

tube517
10-25-2015, 07:09 PM
Bam Morris had a promising career ahead of him...he probably would have been a Super Bowl MVP had Neil O'Donnell not thrown two INTs...it was either 6-Pound Bam or Andre Hastings...

We had Barry "Bananas" Foster and Byron "Bam" Morris in the 1994 season. They were both gone within a year.

86WARD
10-25-2015, 07:11 PM
And that could've been one of the best backfield so far all time...

zulater
10-25-2015, 07:51 PM
Bam Morris had a promising career ahead of him...he probably would have been a Super Bowl MVP had Neil O'Donnell not thrown two INTs...it was either 6-Pound Bam or Andre Hastings...

LeVon Kirkland had a helluva game that Super Bowl too.

Barry Foster was a good choice. He was a great back for one season, but then a a series of high ankle sprains did him in.

I'm not into the Limas Sweed choice. No offense intended but he doesn't fit into my idea of what this thread is about. Now don't get me wrong everything's open to interpretation, and opinion, so I'm not knocking anyone for bringing him up. But in my opinion he really never did anything to suggest he was destined for greatness if some sort of abnormality
hadn't interfered. He was a receiver who couldn't catch. That never has worked never will work in this league. Kinda like Dwight Stone and Dri Archer. Both are amazingly fast with their straight line speed, but neither ever became a real football player. So they were never destined for greatness.

Nadroj 20
10-25-2015, 08:22 PM
I haven't read the whole thread but a name that instantly jumped into my head for some reason was Kendrell Bell.

Mojouw
10-25-2015, 08:25 PM
Eric Green.


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zulater
10-25-2015, 08:27 PM
I haven't read the whole thread but a name that instantly jumped into my head for some reason was Kendrell Bell.

Agreed. He's my next profile.

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Eric Green.


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Good one. He and LeVeon Kirkland ate themselves out of greatness. Well with Eric it was also recreational drugs.

Nadroj 20
10-25-2015, 08:28 PM
Agreed. He's my next profile.

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Good one. He and LeVeon Kirkland ate themselves out of greatness.

Ah, ok good. Looking forward to reading it.

zulater
10-25-2015, 08:36 PM
Very nice read, Zu. I liked Joe, its amazing the arm this guy had for such a thin framed man. Its too bad there wasn't help available like today for drug issues. Nice work!

Thanks Shoes. Joe was a great talent. I think people look at his stats and don't realize just how much ability he had. So many things were working against Joe. Put him in today's game and I have no doubt he's a superstar, even if you kept him as scrawny as he was. But I don't think if you could transpose him he would be that scrawny. Between modern nutrition and weight training they probably would figure out a way to fill out his frame these days.

lipps83
10-25-2015, 09:08 PM
On the Bettis thing. Sounds like your thinking too much of old late career Jerome. When he first came over from the Rams he used to bust long runs often. You can have all kinds of opinions but there just isn't a reality where Bettis wasn't one of the best backs ever. Last of a breed. We will likely never see the era of big RBs return.


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Oh for sure, when he came over from the Rams he seemed unstoppable. It just seemed to me, after those two years he just wasn't the same. He didn't have that same intensity. He turned from a menacing, bruising back to kind of trying more to be a celebrity.

Haha, maybe it was the whole 'wheels on the bus' thing. That always irritated me. Maybe that's why I put him a notch lower than where he should be.

Wheels on the bus go round and round......I hated that.

Godfather
10-26-2015, 06:43 PM
John KUUUUUHN!

tube517
10-26-2015, 07:15 PM
John KUUUUUHN!

:lol:

I missed such an obvious choice!

zulater
10-26-2015, 08:52 PM
Given the number of threads devoted to him on this board I'm beginning to wonder if maybe Brandon Boykin should be included on our list?

:wink02:

tube517
10-27-2015, 08:41 AM
Given the number of threads devoted to him on this board I'm beginning to wonder if maybe Brandon Boykin should be included on our list?

:wink02:


This thread concerns Steelers who either had great talent that was never quite realized

Very close for Boykin to be in this thread..... :chuckle:

teegre
10-27-2015, 10:37 AM
Agreed. He's my next profile.

Eagerly awaiting your analysis of Kendrell Bell...

(No pressure... I'm just interested.)

zulater
10-27-2015, 06:40 PM
Kendrell Bell.

I know the Steelers Media guide tends to write up profiles with a glass half full approach. But still first and foremost that publication protects the established reputation of the legacy players. So when you reference the Steelers 2003 Media Guide profile of Kendrell Bell the first sentence of it can't help but jump out at you, to wit..."Is one of the most explosive players to ever wear a Steelers uniform." This after Kendrell had only played two seasons in a Steelers uniform, this despite fighting off a recurring high ankle sprain for the entirety of his second season. ( he was injured in the second pre season game) Bell played one of the most memorable playoff games ever witnessed at the end of the 2002 season against the loathed Browns. He racked up 8 solo tackles,(9 total) 3 tackles for losses, and a pass defensed. This despite missing numerous defensive snaps due to his bothersome ankle throughout the game. But the stats don't begin to tell the story. It seemed as if he influenced just about every play when he was on the field. And every play he was off it the Browns took advantage.

Kendrell started off with a bang. He was the unanimous NFL defensive rookie of the year in 01, along with second team All NFL from the UPI . He missed the majority of the season opener injuring his ankle on the 2nd series, but came back the following week against the Bills and was credited with 12 tackles (11 solo) in only 34 defensive snaps! He finished his rookie year with 9 sacks and 88 tackles despite never being fully healthy from the ankle injury.

More of the same his second season where he was hampered by ankle injuries all season, but still earned a Pro Bowl berth.

But then in his 3rd season his knees became the issue. And while he had a solid 2003 season with 99 tackles and 5 sacks the explosion just wasn't there anymore. The sideline to sideline speed he exhibited consistently in his first two seasons became a rarity.

In 04 he missed all but parts of 3 games due to knee injuries. And when he did play he was just a shadow of himself. The Steelers released him in 05. He signed a lucrative free agent contract with the Chiefs but injuries continued to plague him and he was out of the league by 07.

Bottom line he flashed brilliant but briefly. But when he was at the top of his game, what a treat to watch!



Anyway as stated before the numbers don't tell the full story. An explosive hitter with great speed with a nose for the ball carrier. If he had only had sound wheels he would have undoubtedly been an all time great.

Mojouw
10-27-2015, 08:16 PM
Kendrell Bell.

I know the Steelers Media guide tends to write up profiles with a glass half full approach. But still first and foremost that publication protects the established reputation of the legacy players. So when you reference the Steelers 2003 Media Guide profile of Kendrell Bell the sentence can't help but jump out at you, to wit..."Is one of the most explosive players to ever wear a Steelers uniform." This after Kendrell had only played two seasons in a Steelers uniform, this despite fighting off a recurring high ankle sprain for the entirety of his second season. ( he was injured in the second pre season game) Bell played one of the most memorable playoff games ever witnessed at the end of the 2002 season against the loathed Browns. He racked up 8 solo tackles,(9 total) 3 tackles for losses, and a pass defensed. This despite missing numerous defensive snaps due to his bothersome ankle throughout the game. But the stats don't begin to tell the story. It seemed as if he influenced just about every play when he was on the field. And every play he was off it the Browns took advantage.

Kendrell started of with a bang. He was the unanimious NFL defensive rookie of the year in 01, along with second team All NFL from the UPI . He missed the majority of the season opener injuring his ankle on the 2nd series, but came back the following week against the Bills and was credited with 12 tackles (11 solo) in only 34 defensive snaps! He finished his rookie year with 9 sacks and 88 tackles despite never being fully healthy from the ankle injury.

More of the same his second season where he was hampered by ankle injuries all season, but still earned a Pro Bowl berth.

But then in his 3rd season his knees became the issue. And while he had a solid 2003 season with 99 tackles and 5 sacks the explosion just wasn't there anymore. The sideline to sideline speed he exhibited consistently in his first two seasons became a rarity.

In 04 he missed all but parts of 3 games due to knee injuries. And when he did play he was just a shadow of himself. The Steelers released him in 05. He signed a lucrative free agent contract with the Chiefs but injuries continued tom plague him and he was out of the league by 07.

Bottom line he flashed brilliant but briefly. But when he was at the top of his game, what a treat to watch!



Anyway as stated before the numbers don't tell the full story. An explosive hitter with great speed with a nose for the ball carrier. If he had only had sound wheels he would have undoubtedly been an all time great.
Awesome post! What I will remember about Bell is his instinct for the middle blitz. He just had an amazing sense of when to hesitate and when to go. Such a shame that his body broke down.

teegre
10-27-2015, 08:46 PM
Kendrell Bell.

I know the Steelers Media guide tends to write up profiles with a glass half full approach. But still first and foremost that publication protects the established reputation of the legacy players. So when you reference the Steelers 2003 Media Guide profile of Kendrell Bell the sentence can't help but jump out at you, to wit..."Is one of the most explosive players to ever wear a Steelers uniform." This after Kendrell had only played two seasons in a Steelers uniform, this despite fighting off a recurring high ankle sprain for the entirety of his second season. ( he was injured in the second pre season game) Bell played one of the most memorable playoff games ever witnessed at the end of the 2002 season against the loathed Browns. He racked up 8 solo tackles,(9 total) 3 tackles for losses, and a pass defensed. This despite missing numerous defensive snaps due to his bothersome ankle throughout the game. But the stats don't begin to tell the story. It seemed as if he influenced just about every play when he was on the field. And every play he was off it the Browns took advantage.

Kendrell started of with a bang. He was the unanimious NFL defensive rookie of the year in 01, along with second team All NFL from the UPI . He missed the majority of the season opener injuring his ankle on the 2nd series, but came back the following week against the Bills and was credited with 12 tackles (11 solo) in only 34 defensive snaps! He finished his rookie year with 9 sacks and 88 tackles despite never being fully healthy from the ankle injury.

More of the same his second season where he was hampered by ankle injuries all season, but still earned a Pro Bowl berth.

But then in his 3rd season his knees became the issue. And while he had a solid 2003 season with 99 tackles and 5 sacks the explosion just wasn't there anymore. The sideline to sideline speed he exhibited consistently in his first two seasons became a rarity.

In 04 he missed all but parts of 3 games due to knee injuries. And when he did play he was just a shadow of himself. The Steelers released him in 05. He signed a lucrative free agent contract with the Chiefs but injuries continued tom plague him and he was out of the league by 07.

Bottom line he flashed brilliant but briefly. But when he was at the top of his game, what a treat to watch!



Anyway as stated before the numbers don't tell the full story. An explosive hitter with great speed with a nose for the ball carrier. If he had only had sound wheels he would have undoubtedly been an all time great.

Great post.

That 2002 playoff game was arguably the best game from a Steelers ILB that I've ever seen. You're right: only 9 tackles, but his influence was felt on every single play.

Nadroj 20
10-27-2015, 09:15 PM
Kendrell Bell.

I know the Steelers Media guide tends to write up profiles with a glass half full approach. But still first and foremost that publication protects the established reputation of the legacy players. So when you reference the Steelers 2003 Media Guide profile of Kendrell Bell the sentence can't help but jump out at you, to wit..."Is one of the most explosive players to ever wear a Steelers uniform." This after Kendrell had only played two seasons in a Steelers uniform, this despite fighting off a recurring high ankle sprain for the entirety of his second season. ( he was injured in the second pre season game) Bell played one of the most memorable playoff games ever witnessed at the end of the 2002 season against the loathed Browns. He racked up 8 solo tackles,(9 total) 3 tackles for losses, and a pass defensed. This despite missing numerous defensive snaps due to his bothersome ankle throughout the game. But the stats don't begin to tell the story. It seemed as if he influenced just about every play when he was on the field. And every play he was off it the Browns took advantage.

Kendrell started of with a bang. He was the unanimious NFL defensive rookie of the year in 01, along with second team All NFL from the UPI . He missed the majority of the season opener injuring his ankle on the 2nd series, but came back the following week against the Bills and was credited with 12 tackles (11 solo) in only 34 defensive snaps! He finished his rookie year with 9 sacks and 88 tackles despite never being fully healthy from the ankle injury.

More of the same his second season where he was hampered by ankle injuries all season, but still earned a Pro Bowl berth.

But then in his 3rd season his knees became the issue. And while he had a solid 2003 season with 99 tackles and 5 sacks the explosion just wasn't there anymore. The sideline to sideline speed he exhibited consistently in his first two seasons became a rarity.

In 04 he missed all but parts of 3 games due to knee injuries. And when he did play he was just a shadow of himself. The Steelers released him in 05. He signed a lucrative free agent contract with the Chiefs but injuries continued tom plague him and he was out of the league by 07.

Bottom line he flashed brilliant but briefly. But when he was at the top of his game, what a treat to watch!



Anyway as stated before the numbers don't tell the full story. An explosive hitter with great speed with a nose for the ball carrier. If he had only had sound wheels he would have undoubtedly been an all time great.

Excellent post.

I remember my father telling me when I was younger (too young to actually understand what was going on in a football game) how great Bell was at times. Injuries just became too much for him.

Mojouw
11-02-2015, 09:51 AM
Leveon Bell.

katmandu
11-02-2015, 11:09 AM
Limas Sweed. Seriously. Had absolutely no problem getting open, had no problem with the physicality of the game (see huge block on Corey Ivy). Certainly had all the physical tools. Seemed to develop a debilitating mental block early on when it came to catching the ball that just got worse and worse, and that was at least partially due to Tomlin and company mishandling him, IMO. After his first drop it seemed like it took forever for him to get another opportunity afterward and he was a mental wreck by that point.Sweed suffered from Social Phobia (Panic/Anxiety attacks. Just like Marshawn Lynch does (and many other players do).

Lynch's Social phobia isn't nearly as debilitating as Sweed's was. A lot of other players (and most people) SELF MEDICATE. We all know what that's all about.

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Kendrell Bell.

I know the Steelers Media guide tends to write up profiles with a glass half full approach. But still first and foremost that publication protects the established reputation of the legacy players. So when you reference the Steelers 2003 Media Guide profile of Kendrell Bell the first sentence of it can't help but jump out at you, to wit..."Is one of the most explosive players to ever wear a Steelers uniform." This after Kendrell had only played two seasons in a Steelers uniform, this despite fighting off a recurring high ankle sprain for the entirety of his second season. ( he was injured in the second pre season game) Bell played one of the most memorable playoff games ever witnessed at the end of the 2002 season against the loathed Browns. He racked up 8 solo tackles,(9 total) 3 tackles for losses, and a pass defensed. This despite missing numerous defensive snaps due to his bothersome ankle throughout the game. But the stats don't begin to tell the story. It seemed as if he influenced just about every play when he was on the field. And every play he was off it the Browns took advantage.

Kendrell started off with a bang. He was the unanimous NFL defensive rookie of the year in 01, along with second team All NFL from the UPI . He missed the majority of the season opener injuring his ankle on the 2nd series, but came back the following week against the Bills and was credited with 12 tackles (11 solo) in only 34 defensive snaps! He finished his rookie year with 9 sacks and 88 tackles despite never being fully healthy from the ankle injury.

More of the same his second season where he was hampered by ankle injuries all season, but still earned a Pro Bowl berth.

But then in his 3rd season his knees became the issue. And while he had a solid 2003 season with 99 tackles and 5 sacks the explosion just wasn't there anymore. The sideline to sideline speed he exhibited consistently in his first two seasons became a rarity.

In 04 he missed all but parts of 3 games due to knee injuries. And when he did play he was just a shadow of himself. The Steelers released him in 05. He signed a lucrative free agent contract with the Chiefs but injuries continued to plague him and he was out of the league by 07.

Bottom line he flashed brilliant but briefly. But when he was at the top of his game, what a treat to watch!



Anyway as stated before the numbers don't tell the full story. An explosive hitter with great speed with a nose for the ball carrier. If he had only had sound wheels he would have undoubtedly been an all time great.Ryan Shazier is career is also starting to head this direction.

Remember it was a "little" turf toe injury that finally axed down Steeler's legend Jack Splat Lambert.

zulater
11-02-2015, 12:45 PM
Leveon Bell.

Too early to start shoveling dirt on the grave.

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Sweed suffered from Social Phobia (Panic/Anxiety attacks. Just like Marshawn Lynch does (and many other players do).

Lynch's Social phobia isn't nearly as debilitating as Sweed's was. A lot of other players (and most people) SELF MEDICATE. We all know what that's all about.

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Ryan Shazier is career is also starting to head this direction.

Remember it was a "little" turf toe injury that finally axed down Steeler's legend Jack Splat Lambert.

Ryan looks to be getting back on track. I don't think his injury was nearly as bad as Jack's.