D work in progress, Jones still sucks

[TeeTee]

Defense
T-A
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L. Timmons (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0025402)
10-1
1.0
0
0


S. Tuitt (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0031412)
10-0
1.0
0
0


W. Allen (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0022900)
8-0
0.0
0
0


C. Heyward (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0027969)
7-0
1.0
0
1


J. Harrison (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0020712)
5-3
1.0
0
0


A. Blake (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0029050)
4-4
0.0
0
0


S. Spence (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0029594)
4-3
1.0
0
0


M. Mitchell (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0027023)
3-2
0.0
0
0


B. Dupree (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0032146)
2-1
0.0
0
0


W. Gay (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0025557)
2-0
0.0
0
0


C. Thomas (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0027745)
2-0
0.0
0
0


V. Williams (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0030434)
2-2
0.0
0
0


R. Golden (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0028954)
1-0
0.0
0
0


A. Moats (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0027777)
1-1
0.0
0
0


R. Cockrell (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0031016)
0-0
0.0
1
0


J. Jones (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0030499)
0-1
0.0
0
0



A mid-first round pick, in his 3rd year, and his total production against our arch rivals is zero tackles, one assist, no sacks, no anything, but a waste of space.

Every single defender who saw the field did more than JJ. The D was mostly solid mostly the night, except for those few drives where the Ravens just all-of-a-sudden could run through gaping holes all the way down the field. Other than those drives, they were solid, albeit vs. a team missing almost every play maker. Even with a backup QB it is sinful that they found a way to lose this. Without Ben, this team is below average. They lost to a winless team, at home, on national, prime time TV. Timmons and Tuitt were big time. Jones is a joke. Who is going to defend this fool now?

[86WARD]

He's terrible. There's nothing else to say about him...

[tube517]

Invisible. I saw 48 and 92 during crunch time more than 95. Pitiful.

[Shoes]

Invisible. I saw 48 and 92 during crunch time more than 95. Pitiful.

Agreed, Jones was on his back more than a few times. I think Dupree will only improve.

[steelreserve]

A mid-first round pick, in his 3rd year, and his total production against our arch rivals is zero tackles, one assist, no sacks, no anything, but a waste of space.

Every single defender who saw the field did more than JJ. The D was mostly solid mostly the night, except for those few drives where the Ravens just all-of-a-sudden could run through gaping holes all the way down the field. Other than those drives, they were solid, albeit vs. a team missing almost every play maker. Even with a backup QB it is sinful that they found a way to lose this. Without Ben, this team is below average. They lost to a winless team, at home, on national, prime time TV. Timmons and Tuitt were big time. Jones is a joke. Who is going to defend this fool now?

I noticed Cam Thomas on the field during at least one of those drives ...

[Count Steeler]

I noticed Cam Thomas on the field during at least one of those drives ...

Yes, he was in when Baltimore found their running game. Strange coincidence?

Jarvis, son, just by standing on the field you should be able to get 1 tackle. Don't know where your head is at, but it is not on the field and you should be on the next bus out of Pittsburgh, along with Thomas.

[SteelMayhem72]

Jarvis jones needs to be benched and so does cam thomas...bud dupree is gonna be a star...hes already leaps and bounds better than jarvis

[Mojouw]

To be fair and balanced - Dupree gave up quite a few yards by either not staying home on the backside on those cutback runs or by getting too far upfield. Not going to freak out about it because he is a rookie, but he cost the Steelers some yards last night.

[Rotorhead]

I am glad Bud is looking like a top pick. Can he play opposite Moats next season? I am thinking JH will retire after this season, JJ will be relegated to backup and we will undoubtedly draft another OLB in the top 2 picks. They will let JJ's contract run out and either resign him for nothing as a backup or he will walk. HAVE to hit on our next OLB pick though. Shark is a bust too, so our next top picks need to be OLB and S. Maybe we can pick up a S in FA to replace mitchell . . . wow, our future were mitchell, Shark and Cortez - SMH

[ALLD]

We could keep Scobee and try to replace the secondary with top 5 picks in next years draft.

[TeeTee]

To be fair and balanced - Dupree gave up quite a few yards by either not staying home on the backside on those cutback runs or by getting too far upfield. Not going to freak out about it because he is a rookie, but he cost the Steelers some yards last night.

You are right, not anywhere near perfect or great. But, he is actually showing more production as a rookie than JJ does in his 3rd year. I say keep getting Dupree on the field, bench JJ at this point. There is nothing to gain by putting JJ on the field:

1.) Nothing to gain at the present.
2.) Nothing to gain in the future.

At least putting Dupree on the field gives us more in the present and definitely is probably it will lead to good things in the future. At this point, even mentioning JJ anymore should probably be considered.....:deadhorse:

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I am glad Bud is looking like a top pick. Can he play opposite Moats next season? I am thinking JH will retire after this season, JJ will be relegated to backup and we will undoubtedly draft another OLB in the top 2 picks. They will let JJ's contract run out and either resign him for nothing as a backup or he will walk. HAVE to hit on our next OLB pick though. Shark is a bust too, so our next top picks need to be OLB and S. Maybe we can pick up a S in FA to replace mitchell . . . wow, our future were mitchell, Shark and Cortez - SMH

No way do they resign him at any price. It's bad karma to keep a former first rounder as a backup, when they are in their physical prime. It just reminds everyone of how horrid a pick he was. Better to cut bait and not have him in eyesight. Cut the deadweight. He might not even make the roster next year. Even 6th rounders are all better than he is.

[steelreserve]

When Dupree is on the field, at least you see him making an impact on the game. I haven't been able to say that about Jones at any point this season, or really any point in his career except for what are now looking like a few isolated right-place-right-time moments.

[Steeldude]

Let me makes some classic Gildon/Woodley excuses for Jones.

He was in coverage all day.
He was being doubled and tripled all day.
His stats are low because the defense focuses on him, but it does allow others to make plays.
He has been injured.
Tuitt needs to step up to get defenders off Jones.
He made some sacks in college.

Hmmm...what else?

[Count Steeler]

There are no more excuses for Jones. Whatever sparkle he may have displayed in his rookie season and before he got hurt is gone. He is not strong enough to play that position.

[86WARD]

Yeah...safe to say he's got no game...

[stillers4me]

We could keep Scobee and try to replace the secondary with top 5 picks in next years draft.

:drink:

[stillers4me]

Somewhere in this last off season, I read a line in an article that insinuated that the wrist injury was a significant one that would hinder him for the rest of his life. Not making an excuse for him, but if this is true, I feel bad for him........we may never know if he was supposed to be a great one or not and a great career may have been shattered along with that wrist.

Either that or he's in the same category as Woodley......a huge disappointment.

I like the flashes I see from Bud. The folks down here in Cintucky were really hoping the Bengals were going to get him. I work with a lot of UK fans and they think he is going to special. Let's hope so. We really, really need him to be.

[Count Steeler]

Somewhere in this last off season, I read a line in an article that insinuated that the wrist injury was a significant one that would hinder him for the rest of his life. Not making an excuse for him, but if this is true, I feel bad for him........we may never know if he was supposed to be a great one or not and a great career may have been shattered along with that wrist.

Either that or he's in the same category as Woodley......a huge disappointment.

I like the flashes I see from Bud. The folks down here in Cintucky were really hoping the Bengals were going to get him. I work with a lot of UK fans and they think he is going to special. Let's hope so. We really, really need him to be.

If he is injured, then sit down. Why the coaches keep putting him out there is foolish at this point. If he is injured, let him heal. If not, he does not have "it".

Agree about Bud. He is improving.

[86WARD]

If they wind up missing on Bud, which it doesn't look like they will but if they do, it could be devastating to this defense. The OLB position next season without Harrison and with or without Jones is gonna be a nightmare...unless they can get a nice free agent in here...

[Drazo85]

As the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/pittsburgh-steelers) have to wait through two NFL Sundays before they get the chance to remove the nasty taste of the 23-20 overtime loss to theBaltimore Ravens (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/baltimore-ravens) from their mouths, looking at the statistics and data following the game certainly can be an eye-opening process. No statistics can be more telling than the overall snap totals for the game. The trust the coaches show in players is something which can't be overloooked.
In the Week 4 matchup against Baltimore, the most glaring statistic was Keith Butler and Mike Tomlin's usage of their two OLB combinations. The starters, Jarvis Jones (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/193281/jarvis-jones) and Arthur Moats, were outplayed and used more than the James Harrison (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1601/james-harrison) and Bud Dupree (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/254442/alvin-dupree)combination.



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Looks like coaches are losing patience with Jones too

[86WARD]

Bout time...

[ALLD]

The Thursday night loss is going to force a few changes early in the season. I would have the attitude that if you want to play you will see the field. If not, you will ride the pine and then be looking for a new career at the end of the season. I think the Rooney's were considering this season for a realistic SB run, but the ball just isn't bouncing our way.

[tube517]

I said it in a another thread. J.Jones was invisible late in the game.

Boykin, for whatever reason, sits and Antwon Blake gets the starts. Watch when Cortez comes back, Cockring will sit and pick wooden splinters out of his ass, as Boykin is doing.

[Edman]

The Thursday night loss is going to force a few changes early in the season. I would have the attitude that if you want to play you will see the field. If not, you will ride the pine and then be looking for a new career at the end of the season. I think the Rooney's were considering this season for a realistic SB run, but the ball just isn't bouncing our way.

It IS bouncing our way.

The Steelers had everything go their way against Baltimore and just couldn't finish the game. Why do you think the fans were so royally pissed at Tomlin and Josh Scobee after the game?

It's not like Baltimore walked into Heinz and dominated the Steelers. The Steelers had complete control.

Just like the New England loss, it was nothing special the Ravens did, it was what the Steelers didn't do. The Ravens were woefully incompetent, and we handed them the game. No if's and's or but's.

[TeeTee]

The Thursday night loss is going to force a few changes early in the season. I would have the attitude that if you want to play you will see the field. If not, you will ride the pine and then be looking for a new career at the end of the season. I think the Rooney's were considering this season for a realistic SB run, but the ball just isn't bouncing our way.

Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to early to toss in the towel for the season. It is a marathon, not a sprint, as Cowher used to say. Our recent SB runs started off slow, in 2005 we had to win out our final 5 games just to make the playoffs as a 6 seed, and the rest is history. Imagine when we get Ben, Bryant and Pouncey back, AND some stability on D (playing the best players) and they could make a deep run. The is gonna be unstoppable and the D could be at least opportunistic.

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It IS bouncing our way.

The Steelers had everything go their way against Baltimore and just couldn't finish the game. Why do you think the fans were so royally pissed at Tomlin and Josh Scobee after the game?

It's not like Baltimore walked into Heinz and dominated the Steelers. The Steelers had complete control.

Just like the New England loss, it was nothing special the Ravens did, it was what the Steelers didn't do. The Ravens were woefully incompetent, and we handed them the game. No if's and's or but's.

Well, butts, BIG onesssssssssssssssss


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc3no7n6LAQ

[st33lersguy]

I noticed Cam Thomas on the field during at least one of those drives ...

To think there are better players on the practice squad because this fat do-nothing tub of lard is allowed to be on the practice squad for no good reason baffles me

[zulater]

To think there are better players on the practice squad because this fat do-nothing tub of lard is allowed to be on the practice squad for no good reason baffles me

Apparently he looked good in OTA's and training camp. This of course with him knowing his job was on the line. But of course once he secured his roster spot back to being the "do nothing tub of lard" you alluded to.

[katmandu]

Somewhere in this last off season, I read a line in an article that insinuated that the wrist injury was a significant one that would hinder him for the rest of his life. Not making an excuse for him, but if this is true, I feel bad for him........we may never know if he was supposed to be a great one or not and a great career may have been shattered along with that wrist.Quite unfortunate if that's the case.

I'm still feeling the effects of a sprained wrist from (4) months ago. Shit is pretty painful when it's bent backwards. I can't imagine playing at the NFL level with a worse injury.

Remember, a toe injury ended Jack Lambert's career.

[Steeldude]

Somewhere in this last off season, I read a line in an article that insinuated that the wrist injury was a significant one that would hinder him for the rest of his life. Not making an excuse for him, but if this is true, I feel bad for him........we may never know if he was supposed to be a great one or not and a great career may have been shattered along with that wrist.

Either that or he's in the same category as Woodley......a huge disappointment.

I like the flashes I see from Bud. The folks down here in Cintucky were really hoping the Bengals were going to get him. I work with a lot of UK fans and they think he is going to special. Let's hope so. We really, really need him to be.

Yes, but his wrist has nothing to do with his body lean or lack of effort on the field.

[hawaiiansteeler]

What happened to Jarvis Jones? The 2013 first-round draft pick was taken out of the OLB rotation with 5:30 left in regulation and didn't return. James Harrison and Arthur Moats took on larger roles at ROLB, with Harrison in on a handful of short-yardage tackles. Harrison had previously flushed Joe Flacco to begin the fumble sequence to Ross Cockrell, and on very late plays put his helmet into Flacco's stomach and then sacked Flacco and came up with the ball, although ruled down.

Those are the types of plays Jones needs to make, particularly against reserve tackles such as James Hurt. Jones is instead last in the four-man rotation with 117 snaps to Harrison's 162 (Dupree 146, Moates 127).

It's obviously not what the Steelers want to see in their former first-rounder behind the 37-year-old Harrison. They surely don't want to have to draft another pass-rusher.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1594815-overreaction-steelers-replace-scobee

[Steeldude]

What happened to Jarvis Jones? The 2013 first-round draft pick was taken out of the OLB rotation with 5:30 left in regulation and didn't return. James Harrison and Arthur Moats took on larger roles at ROLB, with Harrison in on a handful of short-yardage tackles. Harrison had previously flushed Joe Flacco to begin the fumble sequence to Ross Cockrell, and on very late plays put his helmet into Flacco's stomach and then sacked Flacco and came up with the ball, although ruled down.

Those are the types of plays Jones needs to make, particularly against reserve tackles such as James Hurt. Jones is instead last in the four-man rotation with 117 snaps to Harrison's 162 (Dupree 146, Moates 127).

It's obviously not what the Steelers want to see in their former first-rounder behind the 37-year-old Harrison. They surely don't want to have to draft another pass-rusher.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1594815-overreaction-steelers-replace-scobee

I hope Chickillo is the answer.

[86WARD]

If he's not, they are just going to have to go out and sign a solid free agent...they can't continue wasting time and draft choices on OLBs that don't pay out...

[Count Steeler]

I hope Chickillo is the answer.

I would hope that he start getting some reps. At least lets see if he does have game. Bud and Chick on the outside, LT and Razier on the inside with Harrison, Williams, Moats and Spence rotating. JJ bye,bye.