STOP BLAMING TOMLIN AND HALEY

[TRASHMAN]

FACTS:

This game falls on one man shoulders and one man only. That is Scobee...

The game should have been put away 2 times but Scobee missed both chances. We would have been saying what a great game Vick had and how our defense stepped up and they did. For some reason we need to hate Vick and Tomlin because Tomlin isn't Cohwer and Vick isn't Ben..

I think the 4th and 1 was a good play call because the Ravens clogged up the middle for a Bell run making Brown very open and Vick very protected. Vick simply missed a terribly easy pass...

The worst part is how much the Ravens think they deserved to win the game and how much "heart" they had. It makes me sick how they got lucky we signed a great kicker who decides to suck when he got to Pittsburgh...

[teegre]

Pretty much.

[zoneblitzerII]

Ok. I blame Aditi Kinkhabwala.

[TD's & Beer]

The coaching was 'below the line', "the standard was not the standard' , 'the arrow is pointing down with them' - Coach Cool Shades Cliche

[j-d-s]

I do agree that Tomlin went for it on fourth down in OT twice, that was the right decision. Haley just should have called other plays where you don't have to rely on your backup QB to win the game.

But controversial play calls are nothing new... i remember a playcall at a superbowl where they didn't hand it off to a borderline unstoppable RB one yard from the goalline but instead passed it and then got picked off...

[stillers4me]

Scobee and what ever jagoff was not putting the game in the hands of the best player on the field last night....Bell. And what happened to Deangelo Willialms? did I miss the tweet where he got cut????

[stillers4me]

This says it all.
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[Count Steeler]

Sorry, but if you call the second half a well coached game, I have to disagree.

[Drazo85]

Coaches have put the team in best situation to win the game in regulation. Kicker missed two field goals that would put game away. It happens. Get over it.
Only thing i dont agree with Tomlin is going for it on 4th down in OT. I dont know what Tomlin had been thinking. Shorter distance for Scobee? His kicks were long enough, accuracy was problem. Going for TD? I dont know, but with limited reps and limited playbook i dont think that Vick was capable for TD. I am not Tomlin apologist by any means, i just tend to look at these situation with less emotions. Its not end of the world, Steelers can bounce back. Its tough loss for sure, i was angry at all of them, but when i calm myself down and have seen what went wrong. Steelers fans are spoiled, there isnt many head coaches in NFL who win constantly. Tomlin proved he can win constantly. There are not many QBs better than Ben (if any), and most of the starting QBs are just a little better than Vick. There is a reason teams get desperate and draft scrubs in the first round. Just look at past ten drafts and see how many QBs arent starting in NFL. Heck, see how many of them are not in the league any more. You hit and miss, thats the nature of bussines.

[86WARD]

The coaching was 'below the line', "the standard was not the standard' , 'the arrow is pointing down with them' - Coach Cool Shades Cliche

:lol:

[tube517]

Alot of Vick bashing going on but that needs to be put in perspective. He was brought in off the streets and is a backup not a starter. His days are over. I was against getting Vick because he is washed up and is a turnover machine. He didn't turn the ball over and did what Haley and Tomlin wanted. But, I thought they would take some deep shots sometime during the game. I'm not going to blame Vick on this one.

Second half and OT playcalling was horrible. Sorry, I will blame the coaches on not continuing what was working in the 2nd quarter. They coached scared.

Scooby should clean out his locker.

[dduc996]

We lost in the final 2:00min. when we had the game in the bag. This conservative milk the clock play calling has gotten old over the past few years with Haley. We get a lead with a few minutes left in the game and all of a sudden we loosen our grip instead of poring the heat on and put them AWAY.!!!!

HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!😠

[86WARD]

Same shot used to happen with Arians...which leads to what?

[The Bark]

A) Scobee choked on a few kicks already this season. B) All those kicks in this game, if I remember correctly, were at the notorious end of the stadium. C) I'm not even sure Suisham gets to kick some of those, the second Scobee miss being from 49 yards.

You accompany these with terrible situational awareness and bad clock management from Tomlin and I you have me with 1 minute left in regulation saying the Steelers deserve to lose this game.

[fansince'76]

You accompany these with terrible situational awareness and bad clock management from Tomlin and I you have me with 1 minute left in regulation saying the Steelers deserve to lose this game.

Clock management didn't really have much to do with it, IMO. We needed one more first down to ice it and simply couldn't get it, as usual. The players have to make a play once in a while.

2-for-13 on 3rd down and 0-for-2 on 4th down. Was anyone else having Kordell Stewart flashbacks last night?

[lipps83]

Yeah, a bit too conservative in the 2nd half but I liked the call on the 2nd 4th down play. Vick just didn't make that throw.

No matter what though, masterful game called by Butler. Butler has nearly won me over with his aggressiveness, I am becoming a fan. Clearly a Lebeau disciple against the Pats, but maybe that was because it was the Pats. Since then though, hats almost off. Need more clogging the middle against the run, but I suspect that might have to do more with McLendon maybe.

The loss sucks, but Butler went down swinging. I can accept that any day.

[fansince'76]

Yeah, a bit too conservative in the 2nd half but I liked the call on the 2nd 4th down play. Vick just didn't make that throw.

No matter what though, masterful game called by Butler. Butler has nearly won me over with his aggressiveness, I am becoming a fan. Clearly a Lebeau disciple against the Pats, but maybe that was because it was the Pats. Since then though, hats almost off. Need more clogging the middle against the run, but I suspect that might have to do more with McLendon maybe.

The loss sucks, but Butler went down swinging. I can accept that any day.

Agreed. I was beyond tired of the passivity we were getting with LeBeau over the last 6 years or so.

Sit back and tackle the catch doesn't work too well when the opponent moves the sticks all night against it anyway.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Stop playing for FGs when your kicker sucks. The offense was working in the 2nd quarter when they took the reigns off. The whole second half was way too conservative. They didn't play to win and they lost.

[SteeleReign]

Got to disagree. Yes, Scobee clearly is the chief goat in this game, but Tomlin/Haley deserve a spoonful of blame as well. With the win in sight, the two plays called were beyond boneheaded. On top of that, the decision not take a few deep shots throughout the game made it that much more difficult to gain the 1-2 yards needed late.

Yes, Scobee was horrible, and in my mind, so was Vick. However, Tomlin & Haley didn't respond well with situational game calling.

[SteeleReign]

Clock management didn't really have much to do with it, IMO. We needed one more first down to ice it and simply couldn't get it, as usual. The players have to make a play once in a while.

2-for-13 on 3rd down and 0-for-2 on 4th down. Was anyone else having Kordell Stewart flashbacks last night?

I thought Vick was worse than Slash. I don't believe Vick has the intelligence to read defenses beyond his first read. In the past, he relied on his athletic ability when his first read wasn't available. I will give him credit for not flinging the ball around when under duress. Obviously, he was coached up to eat the ball and take the sack, so there's that.

[SteeleReign]

Alot of Vick bashing going on but that needs to be put in perspective. He was brought in off the streets and is a backup not a starter. His days are over. I was against getting Vick because he is washed up and is a turnover machine. He didn't turn the ball over and did what Haley and Tomlin wanted. But, I thought they would take some deep shots sometime during the game. I'm not going to blame Vick on this one.

Second half and OT playcalling was horrible. Sorry, I will blame the coaches on not continuing what was working in the 2nd quarter. They coached scared.

Scooby should clean out his locker.

Completely agree. Vick is not a good quarterback, this much we know. However, they needed to at least ATTEMPT a couple balls down the field to stretch out the defense. It was clear to the Ravens in the 2nd half that they didn't need to worry about anything over the top, which made it that much more difficult on Vick late in the game.

[Steeldude]

How successful are long FGs against the wind? Anyone know of a stat on it?

I blame Tomlin for the loss more than anyone else. He wanted a QB who cannot throw and last night was the result.

[Dissolv]

Butler = has a new fan. I loved the play calling.

I do blame Tomlin and/or Haley. There were at least three play calls in the final minutes that nearly had me tossing my beer at the screen. However they also deserve props for getting Vick to be as effective as he was with basically no prep time at all, and Scooby-don't definitely left them with some tough decisions. End of the day though, the game was very winnable, even at the end. And the Head Coach has to live with his decisions, including who he brings in, what situations they are in, and the calls on the field that are made.

That is a win that got away from us, and it may come back to haunt, in a big way.

Dissolv

[Mojouw]

No prep time besides a walkthrough before the game. back-up QB. It is amazing they were even in a position to win the game.

Loss is squarely on Vick and Scoobee. That overtime 4th down throw was basic HS varsity stuff.

I feel the coaches put Vick and Scoobee in positions to succeed - manageable field goals and manageable throws/reads. On multiple occassions both those players failed catastrophically. Figure Vick can improve from here with reps and practice time. At this point, you have to think about cutting Scoobee and bringing in someone else.

Why does no one ever blame the players? This isn't a video game. Coaches coach and players play. And Vick and Scoobee screwed the pooch.

[Steelervinny]

No prep time besides a walkthrough before the game. back-up QB. It is amazing they were even in a position to win the game.

Loss is squarely on Vick and Scoobee. That overtime 4th down throw was basic HS varsity stuff.

I feel the coaches put Vick and Scoobee in positions to succeed - manageable field goals and manageable throws/reads. On multiple occassions both those players failed catastrophically. Figure Vick can improve from here with reps and practice time. At this point, you have to think about cutting Scoobee and bringing in someone else.

Why does no one ever blame the players? This isn't a video game. Coaches coach and players play. And Vick and Scoobee screwed the pooch.

Completely Agree with this

[Hawkman]

While everyone is throwing BLAME around. How about the ball (that was very well thrown) to AB in the end zone. Left handed spin or no left handed spin, he should have caught that. DHB found a way. AB makes that catch 10 out of 10........well now 9 out of 10 now.

[86WARD]

No prep time besides a walkthrough before the game. back-up QB. It is amazing they were even in a position to win the game.

Loss is squarely on Vick and Scoobee. That overtime 4th down throw was basic HS varsity stuff.

I feel the coaches put Vick and Scoobee in positions to succeed - manageable field goals and manageable throws/reads. On multiple occassions both those players failed catastrophically. Figure Vick can improve from here with reps and practice time. At this point, you have to think about cutting Scoobee and bringing in someone else.

Why does no one ever blame the players? This isn't a video game. Coaches coach and players play. And Vick and Scoobee screwed the pooch.

Vick didn't lose the game. Hell if you want to blame players, you could blame anyone...take Heath Miller for getting to his block late on the first 4th down attempt causing the shot show that occurred. Le'Veon Bell is blocking two guys on that play? He should have never come off the first block. It was a cluster guck because of Miller. But he should've never been in that position...

[SteeleReign]

No prep time besides a walkthrough before the game. back-up QB. It is amazing they were even in a position to win the game.

Loss is squarely on Vick and Scoobee. That overtime 4th down throw was basic HS varsity stuff.

I feel the coaches put Vick and Scoobee in positions to succeed - manageable field goals and manageable throws/reads. On multiple occassions both those players failed catastrophically. Figure Vick can improve from here with reps and practice time. At this point, you have to think about cutting Scoobee and bringing in someone else.

Why does no one ever blame the players? This isn't a video game. Coaches coach and players play. And Vick and Scoobee screwed the pooch.

This is exactly why the coaches shoulder some of the blame. Vick was awful, but the coaches need to recognize who Vick is as a QB. As was said by a writer (don't recall who), the throw to AB should have been to the left side of the field. Although it's an easy HS varsity type of throw, Vick had shown no semblance of accuracy in the game so far. Why put the game on Vick's arm in that situation?! Bad play call. Bad coaching.

[86WARD]

This is exactly why the coaches shoulder some of the blame. Vick was awful, but the coaches need to recognize who Vick is as a QB. As was said by a writer (don't recall who), the throw to AB should have been to the left side of the field. Although it's an easy HS varsity type of throw, Vick had shown no semblance of accuracy in the game so far. Why put the game on Vick's arm in that situation?! Bad play call. Bad coaching.

Yep.

[TRASHMAN]

Vick wasn't even that awful... yea he totally messed up that throw but he put us in many positions to win that game. The coaches put us in many positions to win that game... It is crazy how negative these forums can get about our coaches when they called the right 4th and 1 play because Brown was open! They called the clock right because the field goal that was 41 yards would have won us the game... and the 49 yarder! How does Scobee's missed kicks make Tomlin and Haley suck? O yea cause we lost... Don't mind beating the underrated Ravens in every aspect of the game with a backup QB off the streets thrown into a starting position first 3 weeks into a brand new offensive unit... For what we have the coaching staff did a great job. The players (Scobee) and partially (Vick) didn't step to the plate when we needed them. Putting our team in 3 significantly easy chances to put the game away is good coaching in my opinion.

And the BS about putting the game in your backup QB's hands... Well, I'm pretty sure a QB that's played at an NFL level for 11 years could make a 4 yard pass with good protection to somebody who was open... And you would imagine a veteran NFL kicker could make a 41 yard field goal...

[SteeleReign]

Vick wasn't even that awful... yea he totally messed up that throw but he put us in many positions to win that game. The coaches put us in many positions to win that game... It is crazy how negative these forums can get about our coaches when they called the right 4th and 1 play because Brown was open! They called the clock right because the field goal that was 41 yards would have won us the game... and the 49 yarder! How does Scobee's missed kicks make Tomlin and Haley suck? O yea cause we lost... Don't mind beating the underrated Ravens in every aspect of the game with a backup QB off the streets thrown into a starting position first 3 weeks into a brand new offensive unit... For what we have the coaching staff did a great job. The players (Scobee) and partially (Vick) didn't step to the plate when we needed them. Putting our team in 3 significantly easy chances to put the game away is good coaching in my opinion.

And the BS about putting the game in your backup QB's hands... Well, I'm pretty sure a QB that's played at an NFL level for 11 years could make a 4 yard pass with good protection to somebody who was open... And you would imagine a veteran NFL kicker could make a 41 yard field goal...

BS?! Vick couldn't make the throw could he? He missed numerous "easy" throws all night. Why the eff do you put the game in his hands at that point?! RUN THE DAMN BALL!! Once again, bad play call. Bad coaching. Please disagree all you want, but Tomlin & Haley deserve some blame. Scobee deserves most of it, but not all.

[ALLD]

Instead of Prevent Defense losing the game, it was Prevent Offense. As mentioned above, no long shots throughout the game made it more difficult to make 4th down.

Scobee owns most of the loss. I would have spread out the offense on 4th down and either handed off or short pass out of the backfield to Bell. Did not see much of Williams either.

They need to adapt to an unreliable K or get a new one.

[86WARD]

If Scobee made those kicks, it still doesn't guarantee a win. A well designed and executed drive with less than 2:00 left in the game would have...

[Mojouw]

This is exactly why the coaches shoulder some of the blame. Vick was awful, but the coaches need to recognize who Vick is as a QB. As was said by a writer (don't recall who), the throw to AB should have been to the left side of the field. Although it's an easy HS varsity type of throw, Vick had shown no semblance of accuracy in the game so far. Why put the game on Vick's arm in that situation?! Bad play call. Bad coaching.

Not a bad play call at all. Ravens were loaded for bear at the LOS. AB, the #1 WR in the game and focus of most defensive game plans came WIDE open on the play. Great design. Then Vick fails to turn his shoulders to the throw? And misses a wide open reciever - hell AB was high school open, let alone NFL open. Sorry, at some point you have to assume some baseline competency from the players. IF you draw a paycheck in the NFL to play QB, it should be assumed you can make that play 10 out of 10 times. Hell, I bet Landry Jones hits that throw.

Do you all not see the logical inconsistency that is running rampant around here? If the players fail or a play doesn't work, the coaches should have known that in advance and made another decision. So the players are just perfectly functioning football automatons guided by the unerring judgement of the coaching staff? You all do realize that a coach can make the right call in a situation and the play can still fail?

I'm sorry, but from where I sat those fourth down calls were the proper thing to do. No way I'm letting Scoobee kick 50+ into the open end. The Ravens are too stout up front to simply line it up in the power I and slam into the middle for 2+ yards. Getting Vick on the edge was a good idea - the blocking was bad and Vick should have pressed the run more to the inside right up Miller and Villenueva's hip pocket rather than dancing out wide. The pass call - great call. Vick missed it. Nothing more to say about it.

[Shoes]

Not a bad play call at all. Ravens were loaded for bear at the LOS. AB, the #1 WR in the game and focus of most defensive game plans came WIDE open on the play. Great design. Then Vick fails to turn his shoulders to the throw? And misses a wide open reciever - hell AB was high school open, let alone NFL open. Sorry, at some point you have to assume some baseline competency from the players. IF you draw a paycheck in the NFL to play QB, it should be assumed you can make that play 10 out of 10 times. Hell, I bet Landry Jones hits that throw.

Do you all not see the logical inconsistency that is running rampant around here? If the players fail or a play doesn't work, the coaches should have known that in advance and made another decision. So the players are just perfectly functioning football automatons guided by the unerring judgement of the coaching staff? You all do realize that a coach can make the right call in a situation and the play can still fail?

I'm sorry, but from where I sat those fourth down calls were the proper thing to do. No way I'm letting Scoobee kick 50+ into the open end. The Ravens are too stout up front to simply line it up in the power I and slam into the middle for 2+ yards. Getting Vick on the edge was a good idea - the blocking was bad and Vick should have pressed the run more to the inside right up Miller and Villenueva's hip pocket rather than dancing out wide. The pass call - great call. Vick missed it. Nothing more to say about it.

The 4th down calls should have involved Bell ( & or Williams ) who was the first RB in a long time to get over a 100 on the rats. That part of the calls helped this team loose.

[SteelerFanInStl]

If Scobee made those kicks, it still doesn't guarantee a win. A well designed and executed drive with less than 2:00 left in the game would have...

I agree.

[86WARD]

Not a bad play call at all. Ravens were loaded for bear at the LOS. AB, the #1 WR in the game and focus of most defensive game plans came WIDE open on the play. Great design. Then Vick fails to turn his shoulders to the throw? And misses a wide open reciever - hell AB was high school open, let alone NFL open. Sorry, at some point you have to assume some baseline competency from the players. IF you draw a paycheck in the NFL to play QB, it should be assumed you can make that play 10 out of 10 times. Hell, I bet Landry Jones hits that throw.

Do you all not see the logical inconsistency that is running rampant around here? If the players fail or a play doesn't work, the coaches should have known that in advance and made another decision. So the players are just perfectly functioning football automatons guided by the unerring judgement of the coaching staff? You all do realize that a coach can make the right call in a situation and the play can still fail?

I'm sorry, but from where I sat those fourth down calls were the proper thing to do. No way I'm letting Scoobee kick 50+ into the open end. The Ravens are too stout up front to simply line it up in the power I and slam into the middle for 2+ yards. Getting Vick on the edge was a good idea - the blocking was bad and Vick should have pressed the run more to the inside right up Miller and Villenueva's hip pocket rather than dancing out wide. The pass call - great call. Vick missed it. Nothing more to say about it.

Vick can't make that throw. It shouldn't have been an option. Just like a 3rd &4 play on a day like yesterday shouldn't involve a WR running a 1 yard route.

[polamalubeast]

Yesterday was one of the most painful losses in regular season than I ever had....This is terrible.

[SteeleReign]

We'll have to agree to disagree here. That throw by a backup QB who is beyond his prime, doesn't know the playbook, was never an accurate passer, and was not sharp up until that point, was a low percentage play. I put better odds on Bell gaining the yard there every.single.time.

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[hawaiiansteeler]

Sorry, but if you call the second half a well coached game, I have to disagree.

and I agree with you.

you can't put all of the blame on Haley and Tomlin, but they should shoulder some of the responsibility for losing a game we should have won...

[zulater]

Not a bad play call at all. Ravens were loaded for bear at the LOS. AB, the #1 WR in the game and focus of most defensive game plans came WIDE open on the play. Great design. Then Vick fails to turn his shoulders to the throw? And misses a wide open reciever - hell AB was high school open, let alone NFL open. Sorry, at some point you have to assume some baseline competency from the players. IF you draw a paycheck in the NFL to play QB, it should be assumed you can make that play 10 out of 10 times. Hell, I bet Landry Jones hits that throw.

Do you all not see the logical inconsistency that is running rampant around here? If the players fail or a play doesn't work, the coaches should have known that in advance and made another decision. So the players are just perfectly functioning football automatons guided by the unerring judgement of the coaching staff? You all do realize that a coach can make the right call in a situation and the play can still fail?

I'm sorry, but from where I sat those fourth down calls were the proper thing to do. No way I'm letting Scoobee kick 50+ into the open end. The Ravens are too stout up front to simply line it up in the power I and slam into the middle for 2+ yards. Getting Vick on the edge was a good idea - the blocking was bad and Vick should have pressed the run more to the inside right up Miller and Villenueva's hip pocket rather than dancing out wide. The pass call - great call. Vick missed it. Nothing more to say about it.

I wish they would have run Vick to the far hash as opposed to the left hash which the ball was on. Gives you a little more open space. Plus I would have given the ball to Bell there. Bell made a lot of tacklers miss him last night. He was the best player on the fied for either team. I would have preferred to win or lose based on what Bell could do there. But overall I agree with your general sentiment.

[86WARD]

I wish they would have run Vick to the far hash as opposed to the left hash which the ball was on. Gives you a little more open space. Plus I would have given the ball to Bell there. Bell made a lot of tacklers miss him last night. He was the best player on the fied for either team. I would have preferred to win or lose based on what Bell could do there. But overall I agree with your general sentiment.

The reason you run to the left there is there is typically one less defender on the left. Running to the left from the left hash is fine. The play would have worked had they practiced it more and had Miller gotten out faster. He slowed the whole process down and the play was doomed from the start. If Miller gets out and makes his block, then Bell isn't looking to make two blocks on the play. Bell would be able to hold his first block. That disaster of a play was on Miller and possibly not practicing it enough.

[zulater]

The reason you run to the left there is there is typically one less defender on the left. Running to the left from the left hash is fine. The play would have worked had they practiced it more and had Miller gotten out faster. He slowed the whole process down and the play was doomed from the start. If Miller gets out and makes his block, then Bell isn't looking to make two blocks on the play. Bell would be able to hold his first block. That disaster of a play was on Miller and possibly not practicing it enough.

I understand you're speculating, but if that's not a play they're very practiced in then that's not a good play to call given the situation. If it was just a matter that Heath didn't execute his block ( or give credit to the defender or the defense for out executing or anticipation?) then that's different.

But to me that gets back to the point that I'm giving LeVeon the ball on whatever play he's most comfortable with. LeVeon has the ability to beat a stacked box. Again game on the line put the ball in the hands of your best player.


All that said I'm not blaming the coaches, the game was there to be had if the players execute the plays better.

[86WARD]

I understand you're speculating, but if that's not a play they're very practiced in then that's not a good play to call given the situation. If it was just a matter that Heath didn't execute his block ( or give credit to the defender or the defense for out executing or anticipation?) then that's different.

But to me that gets back to the point that I'm giving LeVeon the ball on whatever play he's most comfortable with. LeVeon has the ability to beat a stacked box. Again game on the line put the ball in the hands of your best player.


All that said I'm not blaming the coaches, the game was there to be had if the players execute the plays better.

This is the reason that I am blaming the coaches. I don't think e team was ready to run that type of play there in that situation.

On a side note...there hasn't been much blame put on Berry who had pretty much a horrific game.

[zulater]

This is the reason that I am blaming the coaches. I don't think e team was ready to run that type of play there in that situation.

On a side note...there hasn't been much blame put on Berry who had pretty much a horrific game.

Berry had a horrible game no doubt. Which was disappointing because he had such a solid start in the first three games. I just hope this isn't an indication that the higher the stakes get the worse he's going to be. But regardless I don't think too much has been said about Berry because Raven starting field position had little to do with the final score.

[GBMelBlount]

Bad coaching, play calling and decision making in the 2nd half.

[Mojouw]

How can it be argued that it was too conservative in the second half and that Vick shouldn't have been made to pass on 4th down in overtime at the same time? 2nd half play calls were conservative because the coaches agree with you all - Vick shouldn't be asked to do anything because he was inaccurate and terrible all night. Then in OT, the staff gambled that they could catch the Ravens by going against recent tendencies. All in all pretty standard stuff.

But, if I understand things right, the Steelers should have opened it up in the second half, thrown more, or at least deeper - to avoid even getting to overtime. Then in OT, they were wrong to pass at all, they should have just run Bell. Huh? At this point, I am only left to conclude that there are many here that just want to complain. For some every bad play, losing game, roster decision and what not is simply another example of how incompetent the staff is and how much better of a football coach they are. If that is the case, then I encourage you all to burnish your resumes and get a job coaching an NFL team. Clearly you would go 19-0 every year.