Faneca named 2016 Pro Football Hall of Fame NOMINEE

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Quarterback Brett Favre, who retired as the National Football League’s all-time leader in nearly every passing category, along with wide receiver Terrell Owens, guard Alan Faneca and safety Lawyer Milloy headline a list of first-time eligible Modern Era nominees for the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s Class of 2016. The group also includes all the finalists from last year who were not elected. Those nominees are: kicker Morten Andersen, coaches Don Coryell, Tony Dungy and Jimmy Johnson; running back Terrell Davis, linebacker/defensive end Kevin Greene, wide receiver Marvin Harrison, safety John Lynch, tackle Orlando Pace and quarterback Kurt Warner

[teegre]

Faneca was always one of my favorites.

Is is he a HofFer? I don't know. But, I'll be rooting for him to get in.

[86WARD]

I think he is. It's hard to judge linemen, but for a very long period of time, Faneca was one of the best, if not the best OG in the league.

[katmandu]

I think he is. It's hard to judge linemen, but for a very long period of time, Faneca was one of the best, if not the best OG in the league.Absolutely !

His body transformation from his past playing days to post NFL is mind blowing.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/04/alan-faneca-fat-guy-mentor-ex-teammates/

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Quarterback Brett Favre, who retired as the National Football League’s all-time leader in nearly every passing category, along with wide receiver Terrell Owens, guard Alan Faneca and safety Lawyer Milloy headline a list of first-time eligible Modern Era nominees for the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s Class of 2016. The group also includes all the finalists from last year who were not elected. Those nominees are: kicker Morten Andersen, coaches Don Coryell, Tony Dungy and Jimmy Johnson; running back Terrell Davis, linebacker/defensive end Kevin Greene, wide receiver Marvin Harrison, safety John Lynch, tackle Orlando Pace and quarterback Kurt Warner

I see Terrell and Terrell but I don't see their other brother Terrell !

LOL !

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[Psycho Ward 86]

This Terrell Davis thing really needs to die. People dont deserve to make the hall of fame for being a flash in the pan

[SteelerFanInStl]

This Terrell Davis thing really needs to die. People dont deserve to make the hall of fame for being a flash in the pan

He shouldn't be getting any votes period. He had 3 consecutive great seasons to go with a good rookie season but nothing else. That doesn't get you into the HoF. It sucks that injuries killed his career but that's happened to a lot of other NFL players also.

[GBMelBlount]

Faneca was always one of my favorites.

Is is he a HofFer? I don't know. But, I'll be rooting for him to get in.

Are there any 8 time all pro offensive linemen who haven't gotten into the hall fame?

[teegre]

Are there any 8 time all pro offensive linemen who haven't gotten into the hall fame?

IDK... but, I do know that guards are very often overlooked.

[LloydWoodson]

Terrell Davis absolutely belongs in the HOF. He was arguably the most dominant performer at RB in NFL history at hid position.

TD averaged 143 yards per game rushing in the playoffs for his career from 96-98. That is insane.

For perspective Emmitt averaged 93 ypg, Franco and Dorsett 82 ypg, Thurman Thomas 69 ypg etc.

I don't see how TD can double the output of other HOF RBs when it counts and not be HOF material.

TD put his team on his back like very few players in NFL history ever have and won back to back Super Bowls before being injured.

TD is also 1 of 7 2,000 yard rushers in NFL history.

In the Super Bowl against GB TD put up 157 yards and 3 TDs to carry Elway's choking ass 12/22 123 yards and an INT.

So... what keeps TD from deserving a spot in the HOF is that he didn't hang around in mediocrity on bad teams to get up in top 10 regular season stats?! Is this fantasy football or something?! I thought it was about winning championships and TD has 2 where he was undoubtedly his team's MVP both times.

Guess not. Fantasy stats in the regular season is more important.

[SteelerFanInStl]

The HoF is a career achievement, not for having 3 good seasons, no matter how good they were. Should Bo Jackson be in the HoF too? We'll just have to disagree on this.

[LloydWoodson]

No. Bo Jackson was an amazing athlete and had he played only football and had he put the Raiders on his back for 2 Super Bowl wins then yes.

TD is 6th all-time in playoff rushing. Bo had 6 playoff rushes.

There is a difference.

[LloydWoodson]

I think when a player separates themselves from the pack as much as TD did you recognize greatness and give credit where it is due.

If you look at any sport the top athlete at a position is usually only at the top for a few years. Best QB was Montana, then Young, then Favre, then Manning, then Warner, then Brady, then Rodgers etc.

Point is TD was NFL MVP like Barry, Emmitt, Walter, LT, AD, Campbell etc. That's a pretty damn good list to be on.

[GBMelBlount]

As of this writing in 2009 it appears there were no 8 time (or greater) all pro offensive linemen nominated who are NOT in the HOF.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/212798-the-10-best-offensive-linemen-not-in-the-pro-football-hall-of-fame

[st33lersguy]

As of this writing in 2009 it appears there were no 8 time (or greater) all pro offensive linemen nominated who are NOT in the HOF.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/212798-the-10-best-offensive-linemen-not-in-the-pro-football-hall-of-fame

Faneca will likely have to wait a few years because the HOF puts less value on guards, but he will probably get in. He was the best or one of the best at his position for the better part of a decade and recognized as such on an annual basis. He is on the first team all decade team of the 2000s.

[st33lersguy]

He shouldn't be getting any votes period. He had 3 consecutive great seasons to go with a good rookie season but nothing else. That doesn't get you into the HoF. It sucks that injuries killed his career but that's happened to a lot of other NFL players also.

I agree, you need more than 3 years to get in the HOF. Longevity should count for something when it comes to the Hall. Not to mention, you have to admit he was in a pretty RB friendly system that saw a lot of no-name RBs gain 1,000 yards. They may not have gained as much as TD but still, 3 years in a RB friendly system is a hard case to make in terms of getting into the hall of fame

[lipps83]

I think when a player separates themselves from the pack as much as TD did you recognize greatness and give credit where it is due.

If you look at any sport the top athlete at a position is usually only at the top for a few years. Best QB was Montana, then Young, then Favre, then Manning, then Warner, then Brady, then Rodgers etc.

Point is TD was NFL MVP like Barry, Emmitt, Walter, LT, AD, Campbell etc. That's a pretty damn good list to be on.

Terrell Davis was a product of a great offensive line and scheme the Broncos employed for a time. The Broncos were a half back factory. The only back that had any real success after leaving Denver though, was Clinton Portis.

Majority rules when it comes to the hall of fame. Majority don't think Davis has the credentials.

Bo Jackson is the best back of all time. He had everything. I think had he played a full career there would have been no doubt. Injuries are a part of life and a part of the game. If Davis were to make the hall, were does it end? There are so many players that had great 4-5 year stretches.....

This Hall is for the best of the best, you can't put everyone in the Hall otherwise it completely invalidates the entire purpose of its existence. Years played for sure matters into that factor.

You have to set a line somewhere, otherwise the can of worms is opened.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Terrell Davis was a product of a great offensive line and scheme the Broncos employed for a time. The Broncos were a half back factory. The only back that had any real success after leaving Denver though, was Clinton Portis.

Exactly. Olandis Gary (who?) had over 1100 yards rushing in 1999 and Mike Anderson had almost 1500 yards rushing with 15 TDs in 2000. Those were the same numbers that TD was putting up. Portis put up 1500 yards rushing with 15 TDs in 2002.

[st33lersguy]

Exactly. Olandis Gary (who?) had over 1100 yards rushing in 1999 and Mike Anderson had almost 1500 yards rushing with 15 TDs in 2000. Those were the same numbers that TD was putting up. Portis put up 1500 yards rushing with 15 TDs in 2002.

There is a reason Denver traded Clinton Portis in 04, because they knew they could trade him for a great player at a different position (which ended up being Champ Bailey) and still get 1,000 yard production from anybody

[LloydWoodson]

Well if RBs don't belong in the HOF because of great OL I can think of a few backs off the top who don't deserve to be in the HOF. Namely Emmitt Smith, John Riggins and umm Jerome Bettis.

Bettis ran behind 2 HOF linemen in his career in Dawson and Faneca. The Steelers OL under Cowher were very good. Marvell Smith, Hartings, Faneca all made the Pro Bowl.

FWP almost led the NFL in rushing before he broke his leg. "Any old undersized UDFA was a monster behind that line!"

The only RBs I have seen face 8 in the box regularly and have an average OL are Barry and AD. Probably Earl Campbell, Payton, Brown and others too.

The RBs who came after TD all had much less production especially in the playoffs. Mike Anderson averaged 32 ypg on 3.4 in the playoffs. Olandis never played 1 playoff game let alone carry his team to the Super Bowl while rushing for more yards than Elway threw.

I really don't get that comparison other than to say the OL was good. Yep. So was just about every RB in the HOF.

The Bo Jackson comparison makes no sense. 0 MVPs. 6 carries in his only playoff game. Never played even one full season. 0 Super Bowl MVPs. 0 1,000 yard seasons let alone a 2,000 yard season.

The MVP award, Super Bowl MVP award, 2x Super Bowl winner and 2,000 yard season are all huge milestones that Bettis never made. Pittsburgh under Cowher was a great rushing team like the Broncos under Shanahan.

Either put TD in or take every RB that had a good OL out. And either take out Gale Sayers or put in TD who played 10 more games.

[LloydWoodson]

I bet you guys put Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss in the HOF though huh? I'd bet money.

[86WARD]

Terrell Davis is not a hall of fame player. He had some hall of fame seasons, but overall, he's just not. Randy Moss is leaps and bounds more of a Hall of Fame player than TD. It's not even close...

[LloydWoodson]

Why? Randy Moss never led the NFL even one time in either receiving yards or receptions.

Moss averaged 35 ypg in 4 playoff games with the Patriots when he was shattering the TD record in the regular season. Moss averaged under 4 catches per game in the playoffs. He was a deep threat only. He never helped a team win a championship despite being on a 16-0 team he disappeared in the playoffs.

Moss never won a league MVP award. Never won 2 Super Bowls. Never was a Super Bowl MVP.

The Broncos had a great OL that "made" TD but Moss having Brady during the most pass friendly era in NFL history didn't "make" his 23 TDs?

Moss and Megatron both racked up some gawdy regular season stats. At least Johnson has the excuse of being on a bad team.

Brandon Marshall has put up nearly identical numbers to Megatron but you won't find one person that says he is a HOF.

Why?

Because Megatron set a meaningless record for single season receiving yards while playing for a 4-12 team that also set the record that year for most pass attempts in a season while playing catch up in a defensively weak division.

Meanwhile Cliff Branch is 3rd all-time in playoffs receiving despite playing in the most run based era of the NFL's history and having some monster games in the clutch. He can't sniff the hall over these fantasy point legends though despite being the only player on all 3 Raiders Super Bowl teams.

[LloydWoodson]

How can Steelers fans put so much emphasis on regular season stats when Lynn Swann got in the HOF based on his playoff performances strictly and has far fewer reg season receiving yards than TD has rushing yards? (Approx 5,000 to 7,600.)

TD had a 2,000 yard season that doesn't impress anybody other than the 2 players that had accomplished that feat before him and the 4 that accomplished it after; but the fact Swann never got within 100 yards of 1,000 in the regular season isn't a problem for anyone.

Swann's career is more impressive because he took twice as long as TD to put up 3/4 of his production?

Got to have the longevity right?

Nope. Swann is in the HOF because he dominated the big games at big times and left his mark in the history books.

Even then TD put up more playoff yards in exactly half as many playoff games as Swann and finished 6th in all-time rushing to Swann's 17th in receiving.

[st33lersguy]

Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson both set NFL records and played at a high level for a longer period of time. Randy Moss played at high level for over a decade while Megatron did so for close to a decade while playing with nothing better than an inconsistent mistake prone Matthew Stafford (he even had over 1,400 yards on the 0-16 team starting 4 QBs). Had Terrell Davis done what he done his fist 4 seasons over the course of even 8 or 9 seasons, he would be a first ballot HOFer and no one would be questioning it and the he was in a great system argument would not have stopped him. But given that he was only good for 4 years, he simply didn't do enough and the system only serves to make his case even weaker.

Also you knock Moss for not leading the league in receiving yards yet in the same post deem Megatron's single season receiving yard record meaningless. And it is silly to knock a WR for never winning league MVP when those awards are never given to that position in the first place

[LloydWoodson]

Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson both set NFL records and played at a high level for a longer period of time. Randy Moss played at high level for over a decade while Megatron did so for close to a decade while playing with nothing better than an inconsistent mistake prone Matthew Stafford (he even had over 1,400 yards on the 0-16 team starting 4 QBs). Had Terrell Davis done what he done his fist 4 seasons over the course of even 8 or 9 seasons, he would be a first ballot HOFer and no one would be questioning it and the he was in a great system argument would not have stopped him. But given that he was only good for 4 years, he simply didn't do enough and the system only serves to make his case even weaker.

Also you knock Moss for not leading the league in receiving yards yet in the same post deem Megatron's single season receiving yard record meaningless. And it is silly to knock a WR for never winning league MVP when those awards are never given to that position in the first place

You are right about the MVP award. Receivers don't win it.

However, the reason I don't respect Johnson's numbers is how many times Stafford threw the ball. People made a point about TD being a product of a system but Megatron isn't?! You know?

Johnson was only arguably the best receiver for 3 years from 2011-2013. He put up MONSTER numbers for those years. In those years Stafford finished 1st, 5th and 19th all time in pass attempts in a season.

Stafford threw 727 times when Megatron set the record on 204 targets.

And you can say what you want about Stafford but he pushes the ball down field and absolutely throws s better deep ball than Ben. Julio Jones or AB will beat Johnson's record and they will do it on fewer pass attempts but probably about the same targets.

Julio almost beat the record this year and the only QB more "dink and dunk" than Ryan is Alex Smith.

You can't tell me Julio Jones wouldn't have gotten 2,000 yards in 2011 with Stafford. Julio averages 15 ypc to Johnson's 15.9 ypc and Stafford is one of the most vertical passrs while Ryan is one of the least.

I don't care about the single season records. I do give more creedence to Megatron than Moss based on the fact that he was the best WR in the NFL for a few years. Larry Fitzgerald was also the best WR for a few years and then played with QBs that made Stafford look like Rodgers on his best day. I would take a prime Fitz over a prime Megatron any day but Fitz will not be a HOF because he didn't set a single season record in garbage time.

Pretty much any athlete in any sport only has a window of a few years when they are the best. It is those years that defines their career. TD made the most out of his short window. There is no doubt if TD had been healthy for 3 or even 2 more seasons he would have been among the fastest players in NFL history to crack 10,000 yards and would have been a first ballot HOF.

To me it is what TD did in the playoffs that stands out. And TD's playoff performances are unlike any other Broncos RB in history or almost any other RB in history period. And you can't tell me the Broncos are the only team that ever had a dominant OL. I'm not hearing it. Many great teams have had great OLs.