Steelers/Patriots: More of the same.

[Edman]

It's like the same thing every game. Steelers continually shoot themselves in the foot and New England capitalizes. Brady is not the only reason why they continue to own the Steelers.

Every single time you see the Steelers play the Patriots, stupid shit happens to this team every time. Ill-timed laterals (Randle El in 2005), bad situational football, inability to execute. The Pats have a hex, and the Steelers just keep playing into their hands every single time. Yeah, they picked the right opponent to open up the Pats defense, what better opponent than the Steelers? We are their bitch, and just sat back and gave them the game last night.

Trick Play on the opening drive? Can't punch it in from the one? Two missed field goals? Ben's accuracy drops off a cliff? Force a fumble and can't recover it? Only against the Pats.

We keep making it EASY for these assholes! Why?

We have a RB who has gashed them for 100+ yards, and we still can't win. So frustrating.

[polamalubeast]

Bad situational football was the biggest problem yesterday...

[TD's & Beer]

The good news is I just called the retention dept at Direct TV and got Sunday Ticket Max for FREE and they knocked $15 off my monthly bill.

I'm ready for FF!

[TeeTee]

The one consistent is we are outcoached. Does Belichick call that trick play if his team is steamrolling down the field? No Fing way.

Would a Belichick team leave the biggest, most potent weapon completely uncovered time after time?

Unlike other losses to these guys, the OL played well and we had a pretty potent rushing attack, but it still didn't matter.

Why can't Rooney tell Haley to shove his bull shit trick plays. It's so embarrassing.

[zulater]

I wouldn't pin this one on Ben. Not saying he was perfect, but he converted some key third down passes to keep drive's alive. Also going almost exclusively to the run inside the 10 probably wasn't his idea either. Nor was the flanker pass I'm sure. DHB is what he is. Had 10 suited up you probably going in at half at worst down 14-7. As far as comparing Ben to Brady last night. I think the degree of difficulty Ben was facing was a little bit tougher than what Brady was dealing with. If you were skiing think Matterhorn vs. bunny slopes. :lol:

[86WARD]

Bryant is in the game, it's totally different...totally.

[Count Steeler]

Bryant is in the game, it's totally different...totally.

Not if Haley doesn't quite the bullshit.

[TeeTee]

Not if Haley doesn't quite the bullshit.

Between just rushing the ball and traditional pass plays, this team is potent. So why do the BS trick crap? It makes me ill.

We could have won this game. We had the horses to do it; they just blew it on coaching. Who leaves Gronk wide open all night? Amazing we didn't give up more than 28, to be real.

[lipps83]

The good news is I just called the retention dept at Direct TV and got Sunday Ticket Max for FREE and they knocked $15 off my monthly bill.

I'm ready for FF!

Wait a second. This is the most important thing in this thread. I have Direct TV, so how exactly did this transpire?

[86WARD]

Between just rushing the ball and traditional pass plays, this team is potent. So why do the BS trick crap? It makes me ill.

We could have won this game. We had the horses to do it; they just blew it on coaching. Who leaves Gronk wide open all night? Amazing we didn't give up more than 28, to be real.

Tried to get "cute" at the wrong time...

[ALLD]

Somebody asked me to define what a cute play is last week. It's calling the wrong play with the wrong personnel at the wrong time just because you think you can.

Team came out strong in the 3rd, but started choking again by the 4th when Ben got fed up and just started chucking the ball to get off the field. He needs to manage that better. AB and Wheaton came up with an amazing catch each, but the story of the night was Williams.

Why try to run up the middle at the goal line instead of stretch the field and line up 3 WRs? Haley called a magnificent first few plays then crapped the bed by having our best WR throw the ball instead of Ben. Bizarre.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Ben's accuracy drops off a cliff?

Ben completed 68% of his passes. You're barking up the wrong tree.

[Edman]

Ben completed 68% of his passes. You're barking up the wrong tree.

You didn't watch the game.

[SteelerFanInStl]

You didn't watch the game.

I watched the whole game. You've always been a Ben hater and continue your nonsense with every game. Ben wasn't perfect but to put any kind of blame on him is just idiotic.

[ALLD]

I watched the whole game. You've always been a Ben hater and continue your nonsense with every game. Ben wasn't perfect but to put any kind of blame on him is just idiotic.


Loss is 60% on the coaches and 40% on the CBs and S. I suspect something was up with the placeholder during the missed FGs. That is a story that might never be told to avoid more piling on.

[GBMelBlount]

The good news is I just called the retention dept at Direct TV and got Sunday Ticket Max for FREE and they knocked $15 off my monthly bill.

I'm ready for FF!

And I just saved 15% on my car insurance!!!!!

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Somebody asked me to define what a cute play is last week. It's calling the wrong play with the wrong personnel at the wrong time just because you think you can.

Team came out strong in the 3rd, but started choking again by the 4th when Ben got fed up and just started chucking the ball to get off the field. He needs to manage that better. AB and Wheaton came up with an amazing catch each, but the story of the night was Williams.

Why try to run up the middle at the goal line instead of stretch the field and line up 3 WRs? Haley called a magnificent first few plays then crapped the bed by having our best WR throw the ball instead of Ben. Bizarre.

Spread them out!

[TD's & Beer]

Wait a second. This is the most important thing in this thread. I have Direct TV, so how exactly did this transpire?

allow me to elucidate


I am a Loyal Member of 12+ years.

I called their Customer Service line ....and when you get the automated voice prompt just say 'cancel'

It should take you to a retention tech - just say you are thinking about dropping DirectTV if you can't find me a better deal. Be nice.

This just happened so I don't know what their past package incentives were but it worked for me.

I said the only real reason I use their satellite is to get all the Steelers games.

He said you're in luck, we can give you Sunday Ticket Max (with Redzone and Fantasy Football Red Zone) for FREE + $15 off my monthly bill for a year, for a 1 year agreement.

I said hell ya...

I called them a week ago with the same ploy but it didn't work - try again.

I tried again and it worked. Better hurry up though...you ain't got much time.... they won't deal once the season starts.

[Polamalu Princess]

They did too much of the same plays. There needs to be more of a mix up with the plays and a heck of a lot more heart.

[Edman]

I watched the whole game. You've always been a Ben hater and continue your nonsense with every game. Ben wasn't perfect but to put any kind of blame on him is just idiotic.

No you didn't, otherwise you wouldn't have pulled out the stats to begin with. The O-Line played really well, DeAngelo Williams had a great game.

Ben was average when he needed to be great. Not the reason we lost, but an underwhelming, average Game played a part in it. Haley's playcalling, Terrible secondary are the top goats. Could've been much worse, could've been much better. 15 games to go. Moving on.

[Cyphon25]

Were definitely completely out coached last night. Belicheck is on a whole other level from Tomlin though so it is to be expected.

[fansince'76]

The good news is I just called the retention dept at Direct TV and got Sunday Ticket Max for FREE and they knocked $15 off my monthly bill.

I'm ready for FF!

And I just saved 15% on my car insurance!!!!!

Yeah? Well, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :chuckle:

[tube517]

Yeah? Well, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :chuckle:


Well, I'm really scrawny armed Rob Lowe...

[zulater]

Profootballfocus, a neutral analytical site that breaks down every play and assesses each individual had Ben Roethlisberger graded the highest player on either team at +6.2

[vasteeler]

i dont get the Ben hate at all here. he threw 2 bad passes that i saw. i also saw 2 easy drops by wheaton and at least 2 easy drops by bey.

edit: just looked at what 86WARD just posted. 3 bad passes........fuggen hang him

[86WARD]

SteelersDepot has a nice breakdown of Ben's 12 incompletions. A lot of them weren't his fault.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/09/steelers-film-room-roethlisbergers-12-incompletions-against-patriots/

[SteelerFanInStl]

No you didn't, otherwise you wouldn't have pulled out the stats to begin with. The O-Line played really well, DeAngelo Williams had a great game.

Ben was average when he needed to be great. Not the reason we lost, but an underwhelming, average Game played a part in it. Haley's playcalling, Terrible secondary are the top goats. Could've been much worse, could've been much better. 15 games to go. Moving on.

Seriously? Who the fuck do you think you are? You're going to sit here and try to tell me that I didn't watch the whole game? I watched every damn snap of the game and was active in the game day thread. Where were you?

All that you ever do is rag on Ben after every game. Any of the regulars of this forum can attest to that. You make a stupid statement about Ben's accuracy in a game where he completed 68% of his passes and then you try to say that I didn't watch the game. Yea, try again.

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i dont get the Ben hate at all here. he threw 2 bad passes that i saw. i also saw 2 easy drops by wheaton and at least 2 easy drops by bey.

edit: just looked at what 86WARD just posted. 3 bad passes........fuggen hang him

It's just Edman being the Ben hating douche that he always is.

[steel striker]

You can't pin the game on Ben last night and, I know they left plays out there last night. Bad playing calling at the worse time a few drops as well. If DHB would have got his feet in before the end of the first hald different ball game.

[hawaiiansteeler]

PIT-NE GRADES: TROUBLE FOR STEELERS’ O-LINE, DEFENSE

by BEN STOCKWELL

Here are the top takeaways and highest-graded players from the Patriots-Steelers game:

Pittsburgh Steelers

–It was ultimately a losing effort, but Ben Roethlisberger (+6.2) and Antonio Brown (+4.3) tried to match the duo of Brady and Gronkowski blow for blow last night. Roethlisberger made the most impressive throw of the night — a sideline pass to WR Markus Wheaton (-0.1) — but his interception in the fourth quarter combined with a litany of others from the Steelers ultimately cost them a chance at spoiling New England’s Super Bowl party.

–The Steelers’ AFC North rivals in Cleveland discovered last season just what a drop in play you can suffer when you losing your starting center, and Cody Wallace’s (-5.0) first start in place of Maurkice Pouncey suggested Pittsburgh are in for similar struggles. In the ground game he struggled with defensive linemen and linebackers alike, while in the passing game he surrendered four pressures (1 sack, 1 hit, 2 hurries) to four different New England defenders.

–While the Steelers didn’t have a single corner victimized in the same manner as the Pats’ Malcolm Butler was, as a unit they fared no better. While no Pittsburgh corner surrendered more than 50 yards, the trio of William Gay (-0.2), Antwon Blake (-2.6) and Cortez Allen (-4.2) all earned coverage grades of -0.9 or worse, with Blake and Allen also missing two tackles apiece.

Top performers:

QB Ben Roethlisberger (+6.2)

RB DeAngelo Williams (+4.6)

WR Antonio Brown (+4.3)

LG Ramon Foster (+4.0)

NT Steve McLendon (+2.0)

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/09/11/pit-ne-grades-trouble-for-steelers-o-line-defense/

[fansince'76]

It's just Edman being the Ben hating douche that he always is.

Please folks, no namecalling.

[86WARD]

You can't pin the game on Ben last night and, I know they left plays out there last night. Bad playing calling at the worse time a few drops as well. If DHB would have got his feet in before the end of the first hald different ball game.

Of the 12 incompletions Ben had...maybe 4 were his fault..maybe.

[clemdawg]

I'll be honest. I didnt expect the Steelers to win. They should have though. I thought they got beat by Brady and the deep ball. We get our two offensive weapons back and I think we stick it to the Pats.

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[Edman]

Seriously? Who the fuck do you think you are? You're going to sit here and try to tell me that I didn't watch the whole game? I watched every damn snap of the game and was active in the game day thread. Where were you?

All that you ever do is rag on Ben after every game. Any of the regulars of this forum can attest to that. You make a stupid statement about Ben's accuracy in a game where he completed 68% of his passes and then you try to say that I didn't watch the game. Yea, try again.

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It's just Edman being the Ben hating douche that he always is.

Where was I? Actually watching the game.

When you make a quarterback the highest paid player of the team, to the leader of the team, and is supposedly the "elite" among the elite quarterbacks, I expect better. Otherwise, you just have Jay Cutler. An overpaid waste of space.

If Ben is part of the reason, if not the reason the Steelers are winning (which he is, this team doesn't sniff 9 wins without him, and they're fucked when he retires), then he has to be part of the reason they lose too. It's part of being a leader.

[slippy]

i would grade ben's effort at maybe a B-

if that were alex smith/mcnabb/kerry collins/etc it would be considered the best game of their career, never to be duplicated.

[zulater]

i would grade ben's effort at maybe a B-

if that were alex smith/mcnabb/kerry collins/etc it would be considered the best game of their career, never to be duplicated.

Decent rationalization. Though I would grade Ben a solid B.

[zulater]

Where was I? Actually watching the game.

When you make a quarterback the highest paid player of the team, to the leader of the team, and is supposedly the "elite" among the elite quarterbacks, I expect better. Otherwise, you just have Jay Cutler. An overpaid waste of space.

If Ben is part of the reason, if not the reason the Steelers are winning (which he is, this team doesn't sniff 9 wins without him, and they're fucked when he retires), then he has to be part of the reason they lose too. It's part of being a leader.

I grant you that. But it was a funny sort of game in that they let Ben move the team down into the red zone, then they seemed to go to lengths to take the ball out of his hands for the majority of the plays once there.

Outside of the interception, which was damaging, I thought he was on the mark for the rest of the game. And even the interception I forgive somewhat. To me the game was lost from the sequence of running an inside handoff from the 6 on 3rd and goal then when the defense allowed the follow up TD to make it 28- 11 Ben's hand was more or less forced from that point on. A 3 score deficit on the road with that little time left in the game will put a qb in a position to make a lot of bad choices.

[86WARD]

Of his 12 incompletions, only 3-4 were "his fault."

[Edman]

I grant you that. But it was a funny sort of game in that they let Ben move the team down into the red zone, then they seemed to go to lengths to take the ball out of his hands for the majority of the plays once there.

Outside of the interception, which was damaging, I thought he was on the mark for the rest of the game. And even the interception I forgive somewhat. To me the game was lost from the sequence of running an inside handoff from the 6 on 3rd and goal then when the defense allowed the follow up TD to make it 28- 11 Ben's hand was more or less forced from that point on. A 3 score deficit on the road with that little time left in the game will put a qb in a position to make a lot of bad choices.


Being held to 3 points in the first half by a really bad Patriots Defense played a big hand in why Ben was forced to play his hand in the second.

Can't afford for offensive performances like this if the Steelers expect to have a chance to win.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Being held to 3 points in the first half by a really bad Patriots Defense played a big hand in why Ben was forced to play his hand in the second.

Can't afford for offensive performances like this if the Steelers expect to have a chance to win.

you're right, not with our defense...

[ALLD]

I don't know why they wait so long to warm up. They showed up in the first series until the play calling got cute. Then they showed up again in the 3rd quarter.

[fansince'76]

Fail to see how the ill-advised trick play and DHB not being able to catch a pass properly was on Ben. That was potentially 14 points right there - 7 points for sure if DHB catches the pass with his hands instead of trying to cradle it with his body.

[Edman]

Fail to see how the ill-advised trick play and DHB not being able to catch a pass properly was on Ben. That was potentially 14 points right there - 7 points for sure if DHB catches the pass with his hands instead of trying to cradle it with his body.

DHB isn't on Ben, that's on the coaches. Stick that bum on special teams where he belongs.

It's the little plays, missing on crucial 3rd and short, that's on Ben.

[zulater]

Being held to 3 points in the first half by a really bad Patriots Defense played a big hand in why Ben was forced to play his hand in the second.

Can't afford for offensive performances like this if the Steelers expect to have a chance to win.

Yeah Ben shouldn't have gotten sacked on that trick play and then commit offensive holding on the very next play. And if that wasn't bad enough then Ben goes and misses two fg's. Then of course he didn't properly place DHB's feet down correctly before running back behind the line and throwing him the ball.

Yep Ben was the guy responsible for them only scoring 3 in the first half. Stupid of me not to recognize it earlier. :doh: Thanks for setting us straight.

[Edman]

Yeah Ben shouldn't have gotten sacked on that trick play and then commit offensive holding on the very next play. And if that wasn't bad enough then Ben goes and misses two fg's. Then of course he didn't properly place DHB's feet down correctly before running back behind the line and throwing him the ball.

Yep Ben was the guy responsible for them only scoring 3 in the first half. Stupid of me not to recognize it earlier. :doh: Thanks for setting us straight.

So, you're blaming Ben for Haley's dumb trick play and DHB's inability to catch. And I'm supposedly the biggest Ben hater around here.

I said Ben's hand was forced due to being held to three points by the Pats in the first half.

[86WARD]

Oh boy........

[zulater]

So, you're blaming Ben for Haley's dumb trick play and DHB's inability to catch. And I'm supposedly the biggest Ben hater around here.

I said Ben's hand was forced due to being held to three points by the Pats in the first half.

You don't get sarcasm do you?

[86WARD]

clearly not...unless he was using reverse sarcasm and you don't get that...lol.

[hawaiiansteeler]

You don't get sarcasm do you?

talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

neither do you...

[zulater]

talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

neither do you...

Who asked you? :coffee:

I don't knopw what your problem is with me, and frankly I don't care. So how about doing the whole board a favor and ignore my posts and I'll return the favor

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clearly not...unless he was using reverse sarcasm and you don't get that...lol.


Sounds like a Maxwell Smart type twist of logic, if you're old enough to remember that show. :lol:

[Craic]

You don't get sarcasm do you?

You forgot your :sarcasm: smiley!

As for Ben, laying blame at his feet for this game is pretty foolish. I'm pretty willing to blame Ben when he has a bad game, and have done so many times. But he played pretty much at the same level he did towards the end of last year. I don't even have a problem with the trick play, as it's used to keep the defense honest (and stop safeties from creeping up into the box—although a play-action is almost similar in result). What I question is the Draw play spitting distance from the goal line. I've railed against the "Three Yards and a Cloud of Mediocrity" mentality of Steelers football at times, but when you're that close and your RB is having a good game, line up in the I formation and pound the ball home.

Even then, Ben drove this team through the Patriots defense three times only for his WR and kicker (actually, holder, it seems) to leave ten points on the field. That wins us the game, even with a bad pass defense. Ben's not to blame.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Who asked you? :coffee:

I don't knopw what your problem is with me, and frankly I don't care. So how about doing the whole board a favor and ignore my posts and I'll return the favor



you asked me.

and my problem with you is your response #254 to my post #252 in the "Fire Tomlin" thread where I was being sarcastic and you didn't recognize my attempt at sarcasm.

I just found you calling out the other poster with your "you don't recognize sarcasm, do you?" remark to be very hypocritical...

[zulater]

By the way I like Edman. No question he's true black and gold. But he's always been quick to put the blame on Ben. He's actually gotten better, ( I think he would admit he's softened his stance on Ben) and some criticism of Ben is valid. ( I suppose :lol: ) I'm more on the opposite end of the spectrum and go to lengths to defend Ben even on the rare occasion his play falters. :wink02:

I guess some circle the wagons when Tomlin comes under scrutiny. Me, it's for Ben. I just appreciate having a franchise qb and I rue the day when Ben's time is done.

And relative to this thread, this past game, I just don't really think Ben deserves much if any blame. Look he didn't pitch a perfect game. He left a few plays out there. But overall if Haley, DHB, Scoobie Doo, Beachum, and Wallace had done their respective jobs to the level Ben did this game then we would have scored at least 17 more points. And chances are the result would have been different.