Keith Butler Hints That James Harrison Might Start Over Jarvis Jones [Archive]

stillers4me

08-09-2015, 09:32 AM

Gotta wonder if this is why the Steelers hired that statistician. We've had too many high round draft picks that never lived up to their potential. Kudos to them for addressing the problem.

Kassam works in the scouting department under general manager Kevin Colbert and will provide information for coaches during the season. One of his first projects is evaluating college players, “trying to dig up what numbers are going to help us predict who is going to be successful,” Kassam said.

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/23544-Why-the-Steelers-hired-a-Carnegie-Mellon-professor-for-advanced-analytics

Devilsdancefloor

08-09-2015, 09:42 AM

i'll wait to the end of this year if he is hurt or just ho hum then yes a waste pick. i think peezy is going to light a fire under him as far as harrison starting well he is a beast of a man and you dont want to have that on the sideline gota figure a way to get him on the field

lipps83

08-09-2015, 10:11 AM

I wanted Eric Reid that draft. I was fine with the Jones pick though because it did fill a need and I thought he could be a decent player. However, if he could be a decent player that would be a step in the right direction. At this point, I don't even know if he can be decent.

There was a reason he dropped so far. I think other teams might have seen what the Steelers didn't and the Steelers jumped at the chance because they had just lost Harrison at the time and if Jones was a star, Harrison who?

I honestly believe that Jones could have been drafted with the 2nd round pick. I don't think any other team was interested in him at all. Other teams were probably eyeing him in the mid rounds. All of his combine numbers and pre draft numbers were horrible. That and the injury questions.

Hell, we could have probably still have gotten him in the 3rd.

lipps83

08-09-2015, 10:17 AM

Oh man, looking at this pre draft stuff makes me nauseous. It's all right there. Ouch.

I hope he makes me eat my words.

Jones didn't help his NFL draft stock, though, after running a muddy 4.92-second 40-yard dash in chilly conditions, The Associated Press reported Thursday. Among the linebackers who ran at the combine, only Virginia Tech'sBruce Taylor (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/bruce-taylor?id=2539332) was slower. Jones' 20 bench-press reps would have tied for 16th.Those aren't the numbers you expect from a possible top-10 pick who recently called himself the best player in the draft.
"I'm a football player," Jones said after the workout. "It's about football, right? I'm a football player. That's what I do. At the end of the day, you get those drills -- I'm not saying they ain't worth nothing -- but you get those drills, running the 40 and all that stuff. You could get someone off the street who can run a 4.3, but they can't play football. That's easy."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000152723/article/jarvis-jones-lackluster-during-georgia-pro-day

polamalubeast

08-09-2015, 10:22 AM

The best players in the 2013 Draft is maybe Le'veon Bell!

This 2013 draft was awful in general in the nfl.

Mojouw

08-09-2015, 11:37 AM

jb500ex

08-09-2015, 11:52 AM

Steeler boards had him as the droy and the next great linebacker. Watching his so called highlight film you could clearly see otherwise

polamalubeast

08-09-2015, 12:04 PM

Steeler boards had him as the droy and the next great linebacker. Watching his so called highlight film you could clearly see otherwise

????

SteelerFanInStl

08-09-2015, 12:55 PM

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2013/draft.htm

It was certainly terrible for pass rushers. Ansah and Sheldon Richardson and then basically no one else from that class has double digit sacks - in their 2 year career.

Good class of DBs. How good would Desmond Trufant look in the current Steelers secondary?

Looking back at that draft, I agree. The Browns took Mingo sixth and he hasn't done much more than Jones and they're talking about him being a bust also.

I agree about Trufant. That's the guy that I'd most like to have out of the players that were available when we picked.

fansince'76

08-09-2015, 02:02 PM

Steeler boards had him as the droy and the next great linebacker. Watching his so called highlight film you could clearly see otherwise

????

Hint:

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/trolldoll.jpg

TeeTee

08-09-2015, 02:52 PM

I've tried to be patient, but Jones is really beginning to look like a wasted pick.

I have been down on Jones myself. But let me ask you: What has occurred since the beginning of last season to make you now think JJ is a bust?

Because he hasn't "made noise" as camp? "We talkin' about practice.....practice man. Practice."

JJ started last season well, with 2 sacks and 3 games, a fumble recovery I think. Then he got hurt, a pretty bad broken wrist.

In my mind, this is the season that we find out who the true JJ is. I am not overly confident, but it's not over yet in my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI

Mojouw

08-09-2015, 03:13 PM

Jarvis Jones is still relatively slow, fairly stiff, lacks any pass rush moves that will give a NFL caliber LT pause, often fails to set his edge on running plays, looks a bit lost in coverage out in space, easily gets caught up in the trash/pile when pursuing parallel to the line of scrimmage, and does not shed blockers well once they get their hands on him.

All of those shortcomings can be assessed and evaluated in a practice setting. To date, the only positive thing anyone has said about Jones is that he is a hard worker, has a decent football IQ, and finally hit the weight room this off-season. Great. But if several of the items above are not improved on, Jones will be a "bust". He may still play in the NFL - I mean Larry English still gets pass rush work...

fansince'76

08-09-2015, 03:36 PM

I have been down on Jones myself. But let me ask you: What has occurred since the beginning of last season to make you now think JJ is a bust?

Because he hasn't "made noise" as camp? "We talkin' about practice.....practice man. Practice."

JJ started last season well, with 2 sacks and 3 games, a fumble recovery I think. Then he got hurt, a pretty bad broken wrist.

In my mind, this is the season that we find out who the true JJ is. I am not overly confident, but it's not over yet in my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI

Yeah, I hope so. I really do.

jb500ex

08-09-2015, 06:50 PM

Hint:

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/trolldoll.jpgapparently your memory sucks

fansince'76

08-09-2015, 11:07 PM

apparently your memory sucks

No, you just like to make claims about things that never happened in an attempt to stir up shit. :coffee:

hawaiiansteeler

08-09-2015, 11:19 PM

Steeler boards had him as the droy

why would any Steelers message board poster anoint Jarvis Jones as the droy when we all know that LeBeau doesn't even like to play rookies? :noidea:

katmandu

08-10-2015, 08:27 AM

Gotta wonder if this is why the Steelers hired that statistician. We've had too many high round draft picks that never lived up to their potential. Kudos to them for addressing the problem.

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/23544-Why-the-Steelers-hired-a-Carnegie-Mellon-professor-for-advanced-analyticsHow can this possibly even be a problem with the vast amount of rabid fans (living in their parent's basements) that analyze every molecule of information and dissect those molecules in stats ?

So now this "paid expert" is going to now converge all these analyzed molecules and regurgitate it to the Steeler's Admin to understand ?

Why not hire these rabid fans and rescue their parents from them and get them out of their basements ? They could do a better job ! LMAO !

jb500ex

08-10-2015, 12:20 PM

No, you just like to make claims about things that never happened in an attempt to stir up shit. :coffee:
Actually it's a fact that's exactly how it went down. Short memories im going to assume from all those he will be droy people

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why would any Steelers message board poster anoint Jarvis Jones as the droy when we all know that LeBeau doesn't even like to play rookies? :noidea:
another who forgets how it went down

fansince'76

08-10-2015, 12:35 PM

Actually it's a fact that's exactly how it went down. Short memories im going to assume from all those he will be droy people

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another who forgets how it went down

Revisionist history much? (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/17962-Jarvis-Jones-is-a-future-BEAST-!!?p=387347&viewfull=1#post387347)

There's NOTHING there suggesting he'd be DROY.

So, one person saying he'd be a "beast" after a preseason game equates to the entire board saying he'd win DROY? Not only do you need to check your memory, you need to figure out the concept of reading comprehension as well. And while you're at it, remind us all again about what a huge bust Timmons is for about the eight millionth time. :coffee:

SteelerFanInStl

08-10-2015, 01:46 PM

That thread brought back some memories, LOL!

hawaiiansteeler

08-10-2015, 01:48 PM

another who forgets how it went down

you got any kind of proof or links you can provide to show us all those posters who supposedly proclaimed JJ as a droy? ?

SteelerFanInStl

08-10-2015, 04:39 PM

There was talk last year of Shazier being DROY but I don't remember anyone saying the same thing about Jones the previous year. Most here were skeptical of his talent, as you can see in the thread that FS76 posted.

teegre

08-11-2015, 07:07 AM

Hint:

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/trolldoll.jpg

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

So true.

"Timmons sucks... Timmons was a wasted pick... I hate Lawrence Timmons... et cetera......"

zulater

08-11-2015, 09:27 AM

apparently your memory sucks

So refresh our memory, who or what do you like about the Steelers? Reviewing your posts I can't find a single thing that's happened with this team in the past decade that you're happy with or player you like that has been on our roster recently. You joined this board 3 years ago, and if you're not disparaging a Steeler player you're disparaging your fellow posters. If you are a Steeler fan you're the single most negative person I've ever seen. You don't seem to realize this team hasn't had a losing season since 03 and has been to 3 Super Bowls since the beginning of the new millennium. And if you're not a Steeler fan simply have the balls to identify who you support so we have a frame or reference of where you're coming from. We have many fans of other teams who post here without problem because they're upfront and aren't here seeking to agitate. Here's the thing JB, there's not one single person posting on this board I know of who thinks you're genuine. So if you're not here to troll then you're doing a pretty bad job of expressing yourself.

TD's & Beer

08-11-2015, 06:34 PM

The starter should be the best player. Make the young guys earn their playing time.

yeah - that's what he said

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMJkF1fUYAA-2hP.jpg:large

TeeTee

08-12-2015, 04:56 PM

Our starters will be Harrison and Moats, with BOTH Dupree and Jones showing absolutely nothing in camp. Did you see Dupree Sunday? He showed nothing whatsoever.

TD's & Beer

08-12-2015, 05:41 PM

Did you see Dupree Sunday? He showed nothing whatsoever.

ha ha

I think I'll wait a little longer than the first scrimmage game before I write him off.

steelreserve

08-12-2015, 05:56 PM

The best players in the 2013 Draft is maybe Le'veon Bell!

This 2013 draft was awful in general in the nfl.

lol, according to all the so-called experts, it was one of the deepest drafts ever.

Of course, every year is supposed to be the deepest draft ever.

Kind of how like your EDM-loving friends will always tell you excitedly "OMG this guy is, like, the #1 DJ in Europe!" Then you find out EVERYONE is the #1 DJ in Europe. Even you.

zulater

08-12-2015, 06:16 PM

Harrison's return brings bump in intensity

By Mark Kaboly and Ralph N. Paulk
Tuesday, Aug. 11, 2015, 7:30 p.m.

The Steelers' first practice after Sunday's 14-3 loss to the Vikings in the Pro Football Hall of Fame Game was noticeably more intense than some of the more recent ones.

There might have been a reason for that.

“I know when you get 92 back in the uniform that changes the climate a little bit,” Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said. “I think it did today.”

Veteran linebacker James Harrison participated in practice for the first time this training camp and quickly made his presence known.

During the opening team period of practice, Harrison bull-rushed 6-foot-9, 330-pound-plus left tackle Alejandro Villanueva into backup quarterback Landry Jones.

Harrison took all his snaps at second-team right outside linebacker, and the majority of his rushes were of the bull-rush variety.

Read more: http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/8897539-74/team-practice-bryant#ixzz3ie5aLk00
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