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hawaiiansteeler
05-06-2015, 01:22 PM
NFL releases deflategate report

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000491385/article/wells-report-released-on-footballs-used-in-afc-title-game

Steelman
05-06-2015, 01:27 PM
:pop2:

No. NFL's just stirring up some drama to hype the game and new season.

I'm sure the "discipline" (wrist slap) has been long decided.

polamalubeast
05-06-2015, 01:28 PM
NO

one side only
05-06-2015, 01:31 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/06/nfl-may-discipline-tom-brady-over-deflategate/

There are text messages between Brady and the equipment guys.

Brady's name mentioned 378 times in the report.

I wouldn't be shocked to see a suspension, but a fine is more likely.

Rotorhead
05-06-2015, 01:36 PM
Suspended? HA! Remember Kraft and the Commish are besties. It is interesting the report came out AFTER the draft when there could have been some actual repercussions to cheating (yet again) by losing draft picks. The only punishment coming down (other then James Harrison being suspended and fined for deflate gate, he must have scared the air out of them because perfect Brady would never cheat) is . . . a fine and a slap on the wrist.

dislocatedday
05-06-2015, 01:48 PM
Anyone who had any doubts about Brady being in on this should have no doubts anymore.

Also, why did this come out literally right after the draft? Hmmmm.......let's see.........the NFL can't punish the team by taking away draft picks if they release the report AFTER the draft.

Brady should be suspended. Those text messages are the most damaging pieces of evidence. Tom had been cheating for quite awhile, and he finally got caught. His denial of any wrongdoing makes it even more pathetic.

I also am a little amused as it appears the equipment guys think Tom is a real douchebag too.

tube517
05-06-2015, 01:53 PM
LOL No.

Craic
05-06-2015, 01:58 PM
Seems as though this is the wrong subforum, no?

Will he be suspended? Don't know. He wasn't the one who actually did it. Yet, he did have knowledge, even seems to have requested it, and then used the advantage in a game. What would I do? I'd say he gets a heavy fine and a warning that the next time, he gets a six-eight game suspension. I'd also fine the team, and dock them a first round draft pick, then double it to two years worth of first round picks due to this being their second infraction under this head coach and owner. If they protested it, I'd be willing to drop it to a 1st and a third round loss in the next draft (maybe a second round, depending on the intricacies).

What do I think will happen? A fine for the team and a fine for Brady, and losing a third or second round pick.

steel striker
05-06-2015, 02:00 PM
We all know Precious Tom won't be suspended possible fine at best.

vrabinec
05-06-2015, 02:02 PM
I'm gonna say he's gone for the year.

cold-hard-steel
05-06-2015, 02:40 PM
All signs point to no. And i shook the magic eightball up really good .

salamander
05-06-2015, 02:43 PM
He won't be suspended. He'll get a $100 fine and the Commish will plead for Brady's forgiveness. :chuckle:

hawaiiansteeler
05-06-2015, 03:22 PM
He won't be suspended. He'll get a $100 fine and the Commish will plead for Brady's forgiveness. :chuckle:

James Harrison will be fined $100,000 and suspended for two games...

Edman
05-06-2015, 03:31 PM
Nope.

zulater
05-06-2015, 03:38 PM
Tom Brady wont get suspended. Virtually any other player in the league would though for the same offense. You can bet Ben would have been given at least a 4 game suspension. Even without his past fictitious transgression Ben would have been given 2 games off.

There's a different set of rules for Brady and Peyton Manning.

ETL
05-06-2015, 03:59 PM
I do not want Brady suspended. WHEN the steelers win - I want it to be a legit win with Blount and Brady on the field.

Kittyfish
05-06-2015, 04:06 PM
I don't know. I'm sure I am naive, but this is the second time the Pats have been caught blatantly cheating, or at least flagrantly bending the rules to their favor. Just how far will or can Goodell go to protect them without seriously losing respect and authority? There must be a limit to his hubris, there has to be a line somewhere. Talk about harming the shield. Players, and coaches too, have been fined and suspended for much less. Sean Payton was suspended for a whole season over Bountygate just because he was head coach and thus should have known about everything going on with his team, whether he approved or was involved or not. Lots of eyes watching this, and 31 other teams waiting to see how this goes down, and I'm sure lots of people are angry. I think too it speaks volumes that my mother - who knows nothing about football and couldn't possibly care less about it - was speaking intelligently about DeflateGate at the time. This transcends just the sports world. We should know within days, according to the reports, so we shall see.

hawaiiansteeler
05-06-2015, 04:18 PM
Tom Brady wont get suspended.

Vegas is worried about the possibility...

Steelers Opener Against Patriots Being Pulled From Betting Boards

Originally written on Steelers Depot | Last updated 5/6/15

Are you wanting to place a bet on the Pittsburgh Steelers Thursday night season opener against the New England Patriots? If, so, you might have to wait a while as it looks as though the game is being pulled off of several casino and online betting boards now that Ted Wells has released his Deflate-gate...

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/05/steelers-opener-against-Patriots*-being-pulled-from-betting-boards/

Count Steeler
05-06-2015, 04:28 PM
So does the report also include an apology to Kraft?

Just for their smugness alone they should be fined and Brady suspended, and Belicheat (using the Sean Payton precedent) for at least 4 games.

However, reality is what it is, the NFL will do nothing to Goodell's puppet master.

hawaiiansteeler
05-06-2015, 05:00 PM
reality is what it is, the NFL will do nothing to Goodell's puppet master.

Tony Kornheiser on PTI just said he believes Brady will be suspended for the "optics" of letting Brady the white QB get away with this after Goodell's previous perceived harsh rulings on so many black players...

Steelman
05-06-2015, 05:07 PM
Tony Kornheiser on PTI just said he believes Brady will be suspended for the "optics" of letting Brady the white QB get away with this after Goodell's previous perceived harsh rulings on so many black players...

:lol: Kornheiser is a buffoon.

venom
05-06-2015, 05:13 PM
I'll say Brady will be suspended for 2 games - Steelers 1-0

SteelerFanInStl
05-06-2015, 05:21 PM
I'll be VERY surprised if Brady gets suspended even 1 game. Kraft wouldn't be happy with that and we all know who the Puppet Master is.

My guess is that he'll get a time out and a stern scolding.

fansince'76
05-06-2015, 05:22 PM
He wasn't the one who actually did it. Yet, he did have knowledge, even seems to have requested it, and then used the advantage in a game.

There's also the little matter of him lying about it on national TV...

And I totally believe Belicheat, who is the biggest frigging micromanaging control freak in the league, knew absolutely nothing about it too. :sarcasm:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/7PuxteAA0kSclixLlwppb20Bn_PjnGAoZnnowf56oKTmbfBBoM twsvmUZK91R-P_1p1LMxtGWDaLKS5HTR1rX7oOUM59OCJQaoVXCXt1yG0rzSlr XMTdLA=w426-h284

zulater
05-06-2015, 05:26 PM
Tony Kornheiser on PTI just said he believes Brady will be suspended for the "optics" of letting Brady the white QB get away with this after Goodell's previous perceived harsh rulings on so many black players...


Goofdell already had his white whipping boy in Ben. So that wont play into it.

Buckinnuts
05-06-2015, 05:27 PM
this just in they suspended Harrison 7.3 games and a $1.9 million fine

zulater
05-06-2015, 05:28 PM
Brady will be grounded for the rest of May and wont be allowed to go to the Preakness with Gronk and his boys. :lol:

hawaiiansteeler
05-06-2015, 05:31 PM
My guess is that he'll get a time out and a stern scolding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0cF2piwjYQ

zulater
05-06-2015, 05:40 PM
There's also the little matter of him lying about it on national TV...

And I totally believe Belicheat, who is the biggest frigging micromanaging control freak in the league, knew absolutely nothing about it too. :sarcasm:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/7PuxteAA0kSclixLlwppb20Bn_PjnGAoZnnowf56oKTmbfBBoM twsvmUZK91R-P_1p1LMxtGWDaLKS5HTR1rX7oOUM59OCJQaoVXCXt1yG0rzSlr XMTdLA=w426-h284

Do I think Bellicheat knew nothing of this? Hell no. But he insulated himself well enough to have plausible deniability, so like it or not I think he comes out of this unscathed.

Brady on the other hand is implicated implicitly by the two clubhouse attendants texts. I will link them later. Anyway this wasn't confined to one game. This gave him a competitive advantage. He truthfully should be banned for a season. But he wont be. I'm still guessing a fine. The league doesn't want to lose a marquee player for their showcase season opener. Even though truth be told LeVeon Bell is probably a more likely MVP candidate at this point than Brady, and Goodell had no problem suspending him for the season opener.

fansince'76
05-06-2015, 05:51 PM
Do I think Bellicheat knew nothing of this? Hell no. But he insulated himself well enough to have plausible deniability, so like it or not I think he comes out of this unscathed.

Yep, I remember - he threw Brady under the bus for it. "Ask Tom..."

I don't think a thing is going to happen to Goldenboy either. Like you said Zu, ANYBODY else in the league and it's at LEAST 4 games.

I mean, putting the integrity of the league as a whole in question (again) certainly isn't as nefarious as smoking reefer... :coffee:

stillers4me
05-06-2015, 06:36 PM
Do I think Bellicheat knew nothing of this? Hell no. But he insulated himself well enough to have plausible deniability, so like it or not I think he comes out of this unscathed.

Brady on the other hand is implicated implicitly by the two clubhouse attendants texts. I will link them later. Anyway this wasn't confined to one game. This gave him a competitive advantage. He truthfully should be banned for a season. But he wont be. I'm still guessing a fine. The league doesn't want to lose a marquee player for their showcase season opener. Even though truth be told LeVeon Bell is probably a more likely MVP candidate at this point than Brady, and Goodell had no problem suspending him for the season opener.

Like cheating your way into a Super Bowl???????????******

stillers4me
05-06-2015, 06:55 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEWlzXXW8AAQaS6.jpg

Butch
05-06-2015, 07:01 PM
I don't know. I'm sure I am naive, but this is the second time the Pats have been caught blatantly cheating, or at least flagrantly bending the rules to their favor. Just how far will or can Goodell go to protect them without seriously losing respect and authority? There must be a limit to his hubris, there has to be a line somewhere. Talk about harming the shield. Players, and coaches too, have been fined and suspended for much less. Sean Payton was suspended for a whole season over Bountygate just because he was head coach and thus should have known about everything going on with his team, whether he approved or was involved or not. Lots of eyes watching this, and 31 other teams waiting to see how this goes down, and I'm sure lots of people are angry. I think too it speaks volumes that my mother - who knows nothing about football and couldn't possibly care less about it - was speaking intelligently about DeflateGate at the time. This transcends just the sports world. We should know within days, according to the reports, so we shall see.

The fans and the other 31 teams should use this to get Belicheat suspended along with shady brady. Will it Happen??? Hells no!!!

I have barely heard any outrage from the media on this and so that tells me all I need to know. There will be no suspension.

Here is another point to take into affect. Sean Peyton was suspended on nothing more than allegations just like Ben. Nothing on Bountygate was ever proven to the point that even ex commissioner tagliboo had to tell "go to hell" godel to back off.

polamalubeast
05-06-2015, 07:12 PM
In a another site, I saw a pats fan show this link to defend his team


http://yourteamcheats.com/PIT

stillers4me
05-06-2015, 07:16 PM
596105081226960897

fansince'76
05-06-2015, 07:38 PM
Former Saints coach Jim Haslett accused the '70s Steelers of being "the ones who kind of started" steroid use in the NFL.

Said Haslett: "It started, really, in Pittsburgh. They got an advantage on a lot of football teams. They were so much stronger (in the) '70s, late '70s, early '80s.

:rolleyes:

Which, for about the millionth time, is an absolute, unmitigated crock of shit: Pumped-up pioneers: the '63 Chargers
(http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3866837)
But yeah, let's take the word of an "authority" on the subject like Haslett - a guy who played LB for the Bills...IN THE 1980s. :coffee:

ZOMG! Look at them juiced up monsters! Oh, the humanity! :jerkit:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/71/f1/51/71f151c59d752094c0488f613d104b3d.jpg

zulater
05-06-2015, 07:45 PM
Rich Eisen's out on twitter tonight defending the goldenboy. You know the majority of the sporting press will circle the wagons to protect douche bag Tom.

salamander
05-06-2015, 07:47 PM
Rich Eisen's out on twitter tonight defending the goldenboy. You know the majority of the sporting press will circle the wagons to protect douche bag Tom.

Which is why he won't be suspended. Hell, I'll be surprised if he's even fined.

Lady Steel
05-06-2015, 08:41 PM
I hope Brady will be suspended, but doubt he will be. I think it's high time an example is made out of this "golden boy." He isn't a golden boy at all, but we already knew that. I agree with those who have stated Belichick was also aware of what was going on. That was evident when he threw Brady under the bus. He needs to be made an example of, as well. As far as Kraft is concerned, I really don't know if he was aware of anything or not. Meh.

86WARD
05-06-2015, 09:38 PM
What was he weather like that Colts/Pats game?

ETL
05-06-2015, 09:47 PM
Rich Eisen's out on twitter tonight defending the goldenboy. You know the majority of the sporting press will circle the wagons to protect douche bag Tom.

Eisen was Brady's fok-buddy at U of Michigan. His opinions don't count.

TD's & Beer
05-07-2015, 07:16 AM
Steelers Opener Against Patriots Being Pulled From Betting Boards

now that's more than gossip


It appears Las Vegas is ready for some sort of NFL discipline on Tom Brady

“Basically, we closed all games involving Patriots until we get a better understanding of what’s going on”. “Minutes before we closed the Week 1 line, we took a flurry of bets on Steelers +6.5.”

The line for a Patriots-Steelers game without Brady would be a pick ’em

http://nesn.com/2015/05/report-patriots-steelers-matchup-taken-off-boards-in-vegas-after-wells-report/

Moose
05-07-2015, 08:20 AM
easy answer......HELL NO ! No football authority would ever suspend a precious patsie player...especially Marsha.

TD's & Beer
05-07-2015, 08:21 AM
Rich Eisen's out on twitter tonight defending the goldenboy.

suck it Eisen

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/oneworld22/Screen%20Shot%202015-05-06%20at%2022.35.46_zpstlwoavam.png


Hilarious!

NFL's best QB ever now a man named T*m Br*dy

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-deflategate-wells-report-suspension-050615
----------------------

Week 1. Bring on the Jimmy Garoppolo era!

TD's & Beer
05-07-2015, 08:56 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if Florio is right for once


Suspension of Tom Brady seems unavoidable

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/07/suspension-of-tom-brady-seems-unavoidable/

Steelman
05-07-2015, 09:08 AM
Brady's agent now saying NFL and Colts perpetrated a "sting" operation

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12839315/tom-brady-agent-says-wells-report-significant-terrible-disappointment

Brady dad saying that he's a victim of "FrameGate"

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12835474/tom-brady-sr-says-son-victim-nfl-framegate

:gossip::lol:

teegre
05-07-2015, 09:23 AM
I was listening to Colin Cowherd this morning. Colin is a huge Taperiots apologist. He loves Tom Brady. Know that... and listen to what Colon said.

Colin used an analogy (paraphrased):
"When I was 5 years old, we were at a convenience store, and there was a tray of penny toys. When we got home, my mother saw me with the toy and asked if I had taken it from the store. I replied, 'No.' My mother took me back to the store, and made me apologize. Truthfully, the store owner did not really care about losing a penny nor the toy; my mother was upset because I had LIED.

The cover up is worse than the crime.

Tom Brady will get a one-game suspension for the act, but he will also get a three-game suspension for lying."

TD's & Beer
05-07-2015, 09:37 AM
LMAO!

http://cdn.na16.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/tom-brady-daily-news.jpg

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/08.jpg?w=780

oneforthetoe
05-07-2015, 10:05 AM
:rolleyes:

Which, for about the millionth time, is an absolute, unmitigated crock of shit: Pumped-up pioneers: the '63 Chargers
(http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3866837)
But yeah, let's take the word of an "authority" on the subject like Haslett - a guy who played LB for the Bills...IN THE 1980s. :coffee:

ZOMG! Look at them juiced up monsters! Oh, the humanity! :jerkit:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/71/f1/51/71f151c59d752094c0488f613d104b3d.jpg

Not to mention the fact that steroids were not banned by the NFL at the time.

steelreserve
05-07-2015, 10:45 AM
Brady's agent now saying NFL and Colts perpetrated a "sting" operation

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12839315/tom-brady-agent-says-wells-report-significant-terrible-disappointment

Brady dad saying that he's a victim of "FrameGate"

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12835474/tom-brady-sr-says-son-victim-nfl-framegate

:gossip::lol:


Well, if you can't believe Tom Brady's agent, who the hell CAN you believe?

Lady Steel
05-07-2015, 11:34 AM
Brady dad saying that he's a victim of "FrameGate"

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12835474/tom-brady-sr-says-son-victim-nfl-framegate

:gossip::lol:




"I don't have any doubt about my son's integrity -- not one bit," Brady Sr. told the paper. "In this country, you're innocent until proven guilty. It just seems Tommy is now guilty until proven innocent."




Um, no, Tommy Sr. An investigation was conducted and Tommy Jr. was found guilty.

My father, who is a very wise man, once told my brother that if a man doesn't have his name, he has nothing. The name Brady is now nothing... Nothing but a lying cheat. :coffee:

polamalubeast
05-07-2015, 01:05 PM
Mercellus Wiley, former NFL player/ESPN personality – 8 games
Colin Cowherd, ESPN Radio host/blowhard – 4 games
Michael Wilbon, ESPN commentator/former journalist/columnist – 3-4 games
Michael Smith, ESPN – 4 games
Jemele Hill, ESPN – no suspension, a fine at most
Tyler Duffy, The Big Lead – 1-2 games
Mike Florio, ProFootballTalk.com – at least 1 game
Bob Kravitz, WTHR.com – 2-4 games

Dissolv
05-07-2015, 01:26 PM
You know, it all means jack and squat since they had the information, and then let him go ahead and compete in the Super Bowl anyway. Stick another * next to the Pat's. A regular season game without Brady will give them a probable loss, but at the wrong end of the season.


Dissolv

Rotorhead
05-07-2015, 02:29 PM
Well since the media is not making this top news, this will blow over and he may get a fine. If it was most any other player, it would be a media shit storm, people would be rioting and burning things, some new # would be coined for the movement that was starting, there would be class action lawsuits on lost bets . . .

ALLD
05-07-2015, 02:34 PM
Michael Vick lied to Arthur Blank about the dogs and Blank got rid of him. I bet Belichick knew all about the deflation, but I don't think it's such a big deal. They should suspend Brady for lying as stated above and change the rule or expand the range the ball can be inflated.

Don't you think as long as everybody can do it that the balls should be inflated to what QBs like best?

TD's & Beer
05-07-2015, 04:10 PM
not sure if serious


@AdamSchefter
Some "more-probable-than-not", opening-night starters in Foxboro:
NE QB: Jimmy Garoppolo
NE RB: Jonas Gray
PITT RB: DeAngelo Williams.

86WARD
05-07-2015, 05:43 PM
Michael Vick lied to Arthur Blank about the dogs and Blank got rid of him. I bet Belichick know all about the deflation, but I don't think it's such a big deal. They should suspend Brady for lying and stated above and change the rule or expand the range the ball can be inflated.

Don't you think as long as everybody can do it that the balls should be inflated to what QBs like best?

The thing about deflating the balls is that if you deflate a ball in cold wet weather, it's actually a disadvantage. The ball becomes weighted and doesn't spin as well as an inflated ball. It becomes more like throwing a wet nerf football. If anything, you'd want the ball over inflated in that kind of weather and I think it was wet during that game?

Of course, maybe Brady feels more comfortable throwing that type of ball there...

Could be why they ran so much?

Polamalu Princess
05-07-2015, 06:15 PM
I do not get it...they are cheaters. This is not the first time. Very classless. This needs to be more than a slap on the wrist IMHO.

Count Steeler
05-07-2015, 06:44 PM
I do not get it...they are cheaters. This is not the first time. Very classless. This needs to be more than a slap on the wrist IMHO.

It definitely should not stop at Brady. I hope the press comes down hard on Godell if he tries to go soft. I think Sean Payton should hold the whip and flog Godell in public.

86WARD
05-07-2015, 07:07 PM
Belichick shouldnt get off without punishment either and neither should Kraft...

Born2Steel
05-07-2015, 07:17 PM
You guys make sense. This is at least as serious, and proven, as bountygate. The Saints lost a draft pick, their head coach for a season, 2 defensive starters were suspended games, the GM was suspended games, and the DC lost his job. I understand it was supposed to be about player safety so that's why it was soooo serious and harsh. I think deflategate is very serious as well, who knows how long this has been going on? It's a known rule that was broken with full knowledge and forethought. Definitely an integrity of the game offense.

And....the owner was fined.

Lady Steel
05-07-2015, 08:14 PM
I would love to see both Brady and Belichick suspended, but not for the same games. It would be great having Brady playing in a game in which Belichick is suspended and vice versa.

cold-hard-steel
05-07-2015, 08:15 PM
Not to mention the fact that steroids were not banned by the NFL at the time.

Taping 2 fingers together was cool too .Now that is an advantage if you ask me .

Craic
05-07-2015, 10:41 PM
You guys make sense. This is at least as serious, and proven, as bountygate. The Saints lost a draft pick, their head coach for a season, 2 defensive starters were suspended games, the GM was suspended games, and the DC lost his job. I understand it was supposed to be about player safety so that's why it was soooo serious and harsh. I think deflategate is very serious as well, who knows how long this has been going on? It's a known rule that was broken with full knowledge and forethought. Definitely an integrity of the game offense.

And....the owner was fined.

Gotta disagree with you there. The Saints putting bounties on players = hurting human beings for money. The Pats* could have paid the refs to throw the game, and it wouldn't be as serious as literally paying people for hurting others.

I do, however, believe this is a serious problem, and haven't changed from my earlier statement.

hawaiiansteeler
05-08-2015, 12:07 AM
Patriots Are Nixon of the NFL

By Ed Bouchette Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Good morning,

Some stuff pertaining to the hot topics of the day:

--- That is now two convictions for the Patriots for cheating. One more and the three-strikes-and-your-out rule should prevail and they should join their tight end in the pokey down the road.

--- Robert Kraft’s outburst against the NFL is laughable. First, in January, he said the NFL should apologize if investigators found no evidence that the footballs were intentionally deflated for what the Patriots “have had to endure this past week” before playng in the Super Bowl. Should that be a written apology, Bob, or is the Wells Report enough?

And then after reading that report, Kraft came to an entirely different opinion about who did what to what than just about every other fooball person and fan not living in New England: The Patriots did nothing wrong. Again.

--- Maybe not all of the Patriots did anything wrong, maybe Kraft knew nothing about what was going on. It is hard to believe that micro-managing coach Bill Belichick knew nothing, but even if he did not, at least three Patriots employees knew and one of them is named Tom Brady. They worked for the Patriots and cheated to try to get an edge.

--- Robert Kraft should hire Louis Freeh to do his own internal report on the matter. He’ll get out the facts, for sure.

--- Patriots fans, of course, will point to the lopsided score run up by their favorite team in the second half against the Colts in that AFC championship game after the balls were re-inflated by the officials at halftime. This is supposed to prove what? That they did not need to cheat to beat the Colts? True, but it does not erase the fact they DID cheat, just as they did with Spygate.

Richard Nixon did not need to cheat in 1972 to beat McGovern either but he did, he got caught and he paid a big price. Watergate. It was the start of all the Gates.

--- Bill Belichick or Tom Brady should stand at the podium and announce “I am not a crook.’’

--- Do not think for a minute that the AFC championship game was the only time Brady had those boys deflate footballs. Coaches on other NFL teams can tell you many times all of the shady goings on that occur when they play in New England, including the sudden loss of radio communications.

--- The NCAA calls it lack of institutional control. It’s time the NFL hit the Patriots with the same and issues strict punishment. Loss of draft picks, heavy fines and at least a two-game suspension for Brady. What, they did not come up with solid proof against Brady? They had none against Ben Roethlisberger either and it did not stop Roger Goodell from giving him a four-game suspension.

to read rest of story:

http://sportsblogs.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers-steelers-blog/2015/05/06/Colbert-wanted-competition-for-veterans/stories/201505060006

katmandu
05-08-2015, 12:19 AM
Check out Brady"s NON-response....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/07/us/nfl-deflategate-report/index.html



But when Brady was asked to comment on the "Deflategate" scandal and the recently released report that said it was likely he knew New England Patriots staffers were altering footballs outside NFL rules, the four-time Super Bowl winner dodged.

"I don't have really any reaction," he told sports reporter Jim Gray, who asked Brady a few questions before the Patriots' star quarterback spoke at Salem State University in Massachusetts.
"Our owner commented on it yesterday. It's only been 30 hours so I haven't had much time to digest it fully but when I do I'll be sure to let you know how I feel about it," he said to loud cheers.30 hours to think of a way to respond ?? Meaning he needs to consult his lawyers and needs time for his PR Team to devise a plan to deal with all the coming fallout !

Any normal person that is NOT Guilty of a crime and knows it would immediately respond ! Brady acts like the whole thing is a phuching joke !

Man up Pretty Boy!

My prediction is GOD-ell slaps Brady's knuckles with a ruler and then .........(well, I can't post what I'm thinking... LMAO! Maybe get a fine which would be a complete joke.

My hope he gets suspend at least (1) game against US ! LOL !

Seriously though, the credibility of GOD-ell and the NFL is at stake on this one. The spotlight is shining right of GOD-ell's bald spot !

teegre
05-08-2015, 06:13 AM
Patriots Are Nixon of the NFL

Belichick = Nixon
Brady = Pete Rose
Kraft = the information minister for Iraq

tube517
05-08-2015, 07:11 AM
Belichick = Nixon
Brady = Pete Rose
Kraft = the information minister for Iraq

Bellicheat = Darth Sidious

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/bill-belichick-auditions-role-of-arnie-grape.jpg

katmandu
05-08-2015, 08:31 AM
Brady = Pete Rose
No, no, no.

Pete Rose never cheated to gain an advantage for his team to Win. He gambled for his OWN financial gains.

Also, unlike Pete Rose NOT getting into the Baseball Hall of Fame, Pretty Boy already has a bust made and is sitting in a backroom in Canton waiting for the day Brady retires.

zulater
05-08-2015, 08:39 AM
Patriots Are Nixon of the NFL

By Ed Bouchette Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Good morning,

Some stuff pertaining to the hot topics of the day:

--- That is now two convictions for the Patriots for cheating. One more and the three-strikes-and-your-out rule should prevail and they should join their tight end in the pokey down the road.

--- Robert Kraft’s outburst against the NFL is laughable. First, in January, he said the NFL should apologize if investigators found no evidence that the footballs were intentionally deflated for what the Patriots “have had to endure this past week” before playng in the Super Bowl. Should that be a written apology, Bob, or is the Wells Report enough?

And then after reading that report, Kraft came to an entirely different opinion about who did what to what than just about every other fooball person and fan not living in New England: The Patriots did nothing wrong. Again.

--- Maybe not all of the Patriots did anything wrong, maybe Kraft knew nothing about what was going on. It is hard to believe that micro-managing coach Bill Belichick knew nothing, but even if he did not, at least three Patriots employees knew and one of them is named Tom Brady. They worked for the Patriots and cheated to try to get an edge.

--- Robert Kraft should hire Louis Freeh to do his own internal report on the matter. He’ll get out the facts, for sure.

--- Patriots fans, of course, will point to the lopsided score run up by their favorite team in the second half against the Colts in that AFC championship game after the balls were re-inflated by the officials at halftime. This is supposed to prove what? That they did not need to cheat to beat the Colts? True, but it does not erase the fact they DID cheat, just as they did with Spygate.

Richard Nixon did not need to cheat in 1972 to beat McGovern either but he did, he got caught and he paid a big price. Watergate. It was the start of all the Gates.

--- Bill Belichick or Tom Brady should stand at the podium and announce “I am not a crook.’’

--- Do not think for a minute that the AFC championship game was the only time Brady had those boys deflate footballs. Coaches on other NFL teams can tell you many times all of the shady goings on that occur when they play in New England, including the sudden loss of radio communications.

--- The NCAA calls it lack of institutional control. It’s time the NFL hit the Patriots with the same and issues strict punishment. Loss of draft picks, heavy fines and at least a two-game suspension for Brady. What, they did not come up with solid proof against Brady? They had none against Ben Roethlisberger either and it did not stop Roger Goodell from giving him a four-game suspension.

to read rest of story:

http://sportsblogs.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers-steelers-blog/2015/05/06/Colbert-wanted-competition-for-veterans/stories/201505060006

I'm glad someone besides me has finally made the Ben Roethisberger connection as pertaining to less than concrete evidence needed to suspend a player. As Bouchette says the league had no evidence of wrongdoing by Ben outside of questionable judgement in his personal life. Something probably 3/4 of the league has been guilty of at one point or another.

Getting back to Brady though. Precedent has been set. The commish can not duck this for lack of convictable evidence. The preponderance of evidence in this case clearly suggests Brady had complicity in this case, and common sense would further suggest he orchestrated it.

dislocatedday
05-08-2015, 08:59 AM
Check out Brady"s NON-response....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/07/us/nfl-deflategate-report/index.html


30 hours to think of a way to respond ?? Meaning he needs to consult his lawyers and needs time for his PR Team to devise a plan to deal with all the coming fallout !

Any normal person that is NOT Guilty of a crime and knows it would immediately respond ! Brady acts like the whole thing is a phuching joke !

Man up Pretty Boy!



You nailed it Katmandu. That is exactly what I thought when I read Brady's initial response last night.

Is Brady an all-time great NFL QB? Yes

Is Brady a cheater? Yes

Is Brady a baby who whines to the refs when he gets hit in a game? Yes

He is all three of these, and his legacy is tainted despite being a great passer......at least outside of the portion of the New England fanbase that thinks he and the Patriots do no wrong (despite the abundance of evidence).

fansince'76
05-08-2015, 09:16 AM
I'm glad someone besides me has finally made the Ben Roethisberger connection as pertaining to less than concrete evidence needed to suspend a player. As Bouchette says the league had no evidence of wrongdoing by Ben outside of questionable judgement in his personal life. Something probably 3/4 of the league has been guilty of at one point or another.

Getting back to Brady though. Precedent has been set. The commish can not duck this for lack of convictable evidence. The preponderance of evidence in this case clearly suggests Brady had complicity in this case, and common sense would further suggest he orchestrated it.

Be that as it may, Roethlisberger has also never been pimped as one of the "faces of the league." Ever. Not once.

I'll believe Brady gets suspended when I see it. I think the (intentionally) ambiguous verbiage of the Wells Report gives Goodell enough wiggle room to BS his way out of it.

zulater
05-08-2015, 09:28 AM
Be that as it may, Roethlisberger has also never been pimped as one of the "faces of the league." Ever. Not once.

I'll believe Brady gets suspended when I see it. I think the (intentionally) ambiguous verbiage of the Wells Report gives Goodell enough wiggle room to BS his way out of it.

I think that may have been the original intent, but this story has grown too strong of legs for Goodell to cover up. If he doesn't suspend Brady at all he'll become a joke in 31 NFL cities. Er make that a bigger joke.

katmandu
05-08-2015, 09:36 AM
I think that may have been the original intent, but this story has grown too strong of legs for Goodell to cover up. If he doesn't suspend Brady at all he'll become a joke in 31 NFL cities. Er make that a bigger joke.I agree.

This story has really grown legs and "may" become too big for even GOD-ell to poo-poo off.

"IF" (AND WHEN) he does slap Pretty Boy's knuckles (and makes him cry), he and the whole NFL hierarchy (owners included) will be come one, big freaking joke.

This is GOD-ell's big chance to get it right. He will not get another opportunity such as this...EVER.

teegre
05-08-2015, 10:32 AM
No, no, no.

Pete Rose never cheated to gain an advantage for his team to Win. He gambled for his OWN financial gains.

Also, unlike Pete Rose NOT getting into the Baseball Hall of Fame, Pretty Boy already has a bust made and is sitting in a backroom in Canton waiting for the day Brady retires.

Allow me to clarify.

The similarirties between Brady & Rose are exclusively in terms of "integrity of the game." Neither were murderers or wife-beaters, but their infractions were "worse" for the image of the game.

Trust me: I grew up being told "Play like Charlie Hustle." And, that's how I will coach my children. There is no better baseball player (IMO) than Pete Rose.

katmandu
05-08-2015, 10:43 AM
There is no better baseball player (IMO) than Pete Rose.I agree. Rose should have been reinstated and place in the HOF many years ago. It would have been a great thing overall for Baseball IMHO.

Big difference between Baseball's Commissioner and the NFL's Commissioner huh ?

teegre
05-08-2015, 10:45 AM
I agree. Rose should have been reinstated and place in the HOF many years ago. It would have been a great thing overall for Baseball IMHO.

Big difference between Baseball's Commissioner and the NFL's Commissioner huh ?

Exactly

fansince'76
05-08-2015, 12:48 PM
I think that may have been the original intent, but this story has grown too strong of legs for Goodell to cover up. If he doesn't suspend Brady at all he'll become a joke in 31 NFL cities. Er make that a bigger joke.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell released a statement to address the investigation's conclusion but did not give a specific timeframe for potential discipline.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/season-long-tom-brady-suspension-cant-be-dismissed-report-says/ar-BBjnv4l?ocid=iehp

Translation: I'm going to stall for as long as I possibly can in the hope that it's eventually forgotten, courtesy of the very short attention span of the general public overall and the even shorter attention span of the sports media.

Like I said, I'll believe he's getting suspended when I see it. There's a reason this report was made public in the general lull between the draft and training camp, and not a minute before or after.

Hey, look! American Idol is on!

TD's & Beer
05-08-2015, 12:53 PM
Vegas betting - over-under on Brady’s game suspension at 3.5 games

venom
05-08-2015, 01:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoqfQ5RwqOQ

polamalubeast
05-08-2015, 01:49 PM
6-8 games?


Sources: Patriots fear lengthy suspension for Brady

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/new-england-patriots-fear-lengthy-suspension-for-tom-brady

hawaiiansteeler
05-08-2015, 04:27 PM
by Bob Labriola
Steelers.com

* Whaddya think of opening in New England now?

* Back in 1963, the NFL Commissioner was Pete Rozelle, and he faced a situation in which the highest-profile player on a two-time defending championship team coached by the legendary Vince Lombardi was suspected of betting on his own club and said to be associating with “known hoodlums.” Paul Hornung said he bet on his Green Bay Packers with “friends” for $100 or $200. Rozelle said the bets actually were for as much as $500 with the implication that Hornung’s “friends” were ne’er-do-wells.

* A classic case of he-said, he-said, but Rozelle still suspended Hornung, who had set an NFL record with 176 points in 1960 and been the league’s MVP in 1961, for the entire 1963 season. The entire 1963 season.

* I cannot get myself to believe Roger Goodell will make the kind of statement Rozelle did back in 1963, and there can be debate over whether tampering with footballs rises to the same level of impugning the integrity of the sport as players betting on the outcome. But there has to be a suspension, maybe two.

* In my mind, the team that could be watching this very closely is the New Orleans Saints. The Saints had their head coach suspended for an entire year for BountyGate, and even though Sean Payton claimed to be completely unaware of the particulars of the violations, Goodell essentially ruled that ignorance is no defense against wrong-doing.

* The Wells Report concluded that Bill Belichick was largely unaware of footballs being deflated, but if ignorance was no defense against wrong-doing when Payton got suspended for a full year, then that same standard should apply here. And since the NFL already found Belichick guilty in SpyGate – the $500,000 fine the league levied against him points to his guilt – is this a second offense? In a court of law, a second offense typically brings a harsher punishment.

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/On-opening-in-NE-Ravens-draft-drops/7d8984d1-ef36-4729-8864-b9ba46c60944

fansince'76
05-08-2015, 05:07 PM
* A classic case of he-said, he-said, but Rozelle still suspended Hornung, who had set an NFL record with 176 points in 1960 and been the league’s MVP in 1961, for the entire 1963 season. The entire 1963 season.

Rozelle also wasn't a media-driven sock puppet of the team owners - one owner in particular.


The Wells Report concluded that Bill Belichick was largely unaware of footballs being deflated...

Despite being the biggest ball-busting micromanager in the league. I have some prime beachfront property in Arizona I'd like to sell to anyone who actually buys that one...

steelreserve
05-08-2015, 05:11 PM
I agree.

This story has really grown legs and "may" become too big for even GOD-ell to poo-poo off.

"IF" (AND WHEN) he does slap Pretty Boy's knuckles (and makes him cry), he and the whole NFL hierarchy (owners included) will be come one, big freaking joke.

This is GOD-ell's big chance to get it right. He will not get another opportunity such as this...EVER.


Since when does he care about getting it right? Your mistake is assuming he does. Right or wrong, whatever he decides is going to be exclusively for political reasons.

According to Goodell's logic, affecting the integrity of the game is a lot easier to sweep under the rug. After all, TMZ and the Huffington Post will put you on the front page for domestic violence, but if it's just cheating in a football game, nobody outside the sports media will make a big deal.

Hell, even a lot of the sports media has been setting things up to leave him an out on this one, saying various versions of, "Yeah, it's damning evidence BUT do we really have proof Brady was directly involved?" Or, "Yeah, they cheated BUT it probably doesn't affect the game as much as some other things could, so it's not really BAD cheating ..."

I will be surprised if Brady is suspended at all, and if he is, as I said, it would be for political reasons. Goodell has no dick, so he'll aim to do the least possible unless he's forced to, and neither the media nor the owners look to be doing that here.

polamalubeast
05-08-2015, 06:05 PM
According to reports that I have read, it would be very surprising if Brady is not suspended.The question is how many game Brady will be suspended?......It could be 2-4 games or it could also be 6-8 games.

The NFL is going to make their decision next week

hawaiiansteeler
05-08-2015, 06:47 PM
According to reports that I have read, it would be very surprising if Brady is not suspended.The question is how many game Brady will be suspended?......It could be 2-4 games or it could also be 6-8 games.

The NFL is going to make their decision next week

over 40% of people polled believe Shady Brady* deserves more than a 4 game suspension:

What should Tom Brady’s punishment be?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/08/what-should-tom-bradys-punishment-be/

zulater
05-08-2015, 10:28 PM
If I were commissioner this is what I would do. I would call Brady in and give him one last chance to come clean, first to me, then to the public at large. If he did so and showed some contrition I would suspend him for 3 games. If he didn't, then I would suspend him 8 games. Then I would suspend Bellichick for the entire 15 season. Sean Payton got suspended a season for something he claimed to know nothing about. So the precedent is there. Plus the Patriots are repeat offenders, so whether he knew or not he gets a year. Then for the team. I would make the Patriots forfeit next year' 1st round draft pick, and then I'm going to fine Kraft 1 million.

Craic
05-08-2015, 10:28 PM
Be that as it may, Roethlisberger has also never been pimped as one of the "faces of the league." Ever. Not once.

I'll believe Brady gets suspended when I see it. I think the (intentionally) ambiguous verbiage of the Wells Report gives Goodell enough wiggle room to BS his way out of it.

Um, no.

The verbiage is anything but ambiguous. In fact, it's very damning. It's greater than "a preponderance of evidence" we hear in court rooms, and that's exactly what Goodell wants. Here's a letter he wrote about 7 years ago.


One person familiar with Goodell's proposals said the new threshold for imposing punishment for a rule violation would be closer to a preponderance of the evidence than beyond a reasonable doubt.

"Too often, competitive violations have gone unpunished because conclusive proof of the violation was lacking," Goodell wrote. "I believe we should reconsider the standard of proof to be applied in such cases, and make it easier for a competitive violation to be established. And where a violation is shown, I intend to impose more stringent penalties on both the club and the responsible individual(s). I will also be prepared to make greater use of draft choice forfeiture in appropriate cases. I believe this will have the effect of deterring violations and making people more willing to report violations on a timely basis."



From that, I think my guestimation of lost first round draft pick and Brady being suspended at least one, maybe two or three games is right. What we also have to remember is that Brady has never been implicated yet, so he does get a "first-timer" leniency. However, based on what some other first-timers have received lately, it won't be that much.

EDIT: In fact, a "preponderance of evidence" comes about when the "proposition is more likely to be true than not." Or, there's a greater than 50 percent chance that it is true. The wording was very specific to mean that if this was a civil trial, he's found culpable and must pay damages. There's no "wiggle" room here.

zulater
05-08-2015, 10:36 PM
Um, no.

The verbiage is anything but ambiguous. In fact, it's very damning. It's greater than "a preponderance of evidence" we hear in court rooms, and that's exactly what Goodell wants. Here's a letter he wrote about 7 years ago.


From that, I think my guestimation of lost first round draft pick and Brady being suspended at least one, maybe two or three games is right. What we also have to remember is that Brady has never been implicated yet, so he does get a "first-timer" leniency. However, based on what some other first-timers have received lately, it won't be that much.

EDIT: In fact, a "preponderance of evidence" comes about when the "proposition is more likely to be true than not." Or, there's a greater than 50 percent chance that it is true. The wording was very specific to mean that if this was a civil trial, he's found culpable and must pay damages. There's no "wiggle" room here.

Brady clearly lied to the league about his role in this. Going back to Vick lying was cited as one of the reasons for bringing the hammer down so hard, Same with the Saints and bounty-gate. Not cooperating or offering misleading testimony weighs heavily against the offender in this league's eyes. That's why I think Brady needs to come clean soon and throw himself on the mercy of the league.

fansince'76
05-08-2015, 11:00 PM
Um, no.

The verbiage is anything but ambiguous. In fact, it's very damning. It's greater than "a preponderance of evidence" we hear in court rooms, and that's exactly what Goodell wants. Here's a letter he wrote about 7 years ago.



One person familiar with Goodell's proposals said the new threshold for imposing punishment for a rule violation would be closer to a preponderance of the evidence than beyond a reasonable doubt.

"Too often, competitive violations have gone unpunished because conclusive proof of the violation was lacking," Goodell wrote. "I believe we should reconsider the standard of proof to be applied in such cases, and make it easier for a competitive violation to be established. And where a violation is shown, I intend to impose more stringent penalties on both the club and the responsible individual(s). I will also be prepared to make greater use of draft choice forfeiture in appropriate cases. I believe this will have the effect of deterring violations and making people more willing to report violations on a timely basis."



From that, I think my guestimation of lost first round draft pick and Brady being suspended at least one, maybe two or three games is right. What we also have to remember is that Brady has never been implicated yet, so he does get a "first-timer" leniency. However, based on what some other first-timers have received lately, it won't be that much.

EDIT: In fact, a "preponderance of evidence" comes about when the "proposition is more likely to be true than not." Or, there's a greater than 50 percent chance that it is true. The wording was very specific to mean that if this was a civil trial, he's found culpable and must pay damages. There's no "wiggle" room here.

Um, yes.

From what I have read of it, there are big enough holes in the Wells Report to drive a semi through, and, IMO, that was by design. "Well, I'm not gonna say for sure he cheated, but he probably did." Wow, real conviction there. And I won't be the least bit surprised if Brady takes the NFL to court over it and not only wins, but wins in resounding fashion if he is suspended. The caliber of lawyers Brady can afford live to rip the kind of wishy-washy language contained in the Wells Report to shreds.

A letter he wrote 7 years ago? I'm gonna defer to steelreserve's post above (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/22885-Will-Tom-Brady-be-suspended-for-opening-game-versus-Steelers?p=485638&viewfull=1#post485638) at this point. If (and it's still a BIG if, IMO) Goodell does suspend Brady, it's going to be strictly for political expediency. Nothing more, nothing less. What the last 7 years of observing Goodell's actions since he wrote that has shown me is that he doesn't care a whit about doing the right thing. He's ALWAYS taken the path of least resistance, and that's the main reason the NFL has had the PR nightmares of the last year to deal with. If he would have laid the hammer down on Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson from the get-go, the NFL wouldn't have the black eye it has now.

Personally, I'm glad this whole thing is blowing up in the league's face as well, because frankly, just like the Rice and Peterson debacles, Goodell deserves this too. And maybe, just maybe if he hadn't played pattycake with them 8 years ago by basically sweeping Spygate under the rug, they might have thought twice about pulling this crap.

CapLovesTroyP43
05-08-2015, 11:19 PM
I was listening to Colin Cowherd this morning. Colin is a huge Taperiots apologist. He loves Tom Brady. Know that... and listen to what Colon said.

Colin used an analogy (paraphrased):
"When I was 5 years old, we were at a convenience store, and there was a tray of penny toys. When we got home, my mother saw me with the toy and asked if I had taken it from the store. I replied, 'No.' My mother took me back to the store, and made me apologize. Truthfully, the store owner did not really care about losing a penny nor the toy; my mother was upset because I had LIED.

The cover up is worse than the crime.

Tom Brady will get a one-game suspension for the act, but he will also get a three-game suspension for lying."

I like CC but doesn't he get on your last nerve with the Taperoit worship???? I heard that too. But it does make sense. Hi Teeg:high5:

Pete The Greek
05-09-2015, 12:34 AM
It sounds like Brady is going to be suspended. Too bad. I was looking forward to James Harrison or one of the other LBs driving this pussy into the ground on opening night.

Did any of you hear this rant of rants? This was worth the cost of paying for satellite radio.

http://nesn.com/2015/05/chris-mad-dog-russo-goes-on-epic-rants-about-tom-brady-bradys-dad-audio/

86WARD
05-09-2015, 05:24 AM
It would be SHOCKING to me if he's suspended for more than 2 games and if Belichick gets anything at all...

TD's & Beer
05-09-2015, 06:31 AM
Be nice if Florio is right for once


Brady suspension will be announced next week (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/09/report-brady-suspension-will-be-announced-next-week/)

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has reportedly decided to suspend Patriots quarterback Tom Brady , with an announcement coming next week and the only remaining question being how many games Brady will miss.

Count Steeler
05-09-2015, 06:48 AM
Be nice if Florio is right for once


Brady suspension will be announced next week (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/09/report-brady-suspension-will-be-announced-next-week/)

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has reportedly decided to suspend Patriots quarterback Tom Brady , with an announcement coming next week and the only remaining question being how many games Brady will miss.



Goodell is such a douche. Announce you are suspending him, now wait to see how the media reacts. If the media settles on a 4 game suspension as being fair, guess what Goodell is going to mete out? If the media says, "why suspend Brady?", then it will be a fine and a pussy footing 1 game that will some how be forgiven for Brady's honesty.

Goodell should be running for president. The NFL needs a leader, not a politician.

steelerdude15
05-09-2015, 10:19 AM
Its going to happen and he needs to be suspended.

fansince'76
05-09-2015, 10:43 AM
Goodell is such a douche. Announce you are suspending him, now wait to see how the media reacts. If the media settles on a 4 game suspension as being fair, guess what Goodell is going to mete out? If the media says, "why suspend Brady?", then it will be a fine and a pussy footing 1 game that will some how be forgiven for Brady's honesty.

Yep, that's his M.O., all right.

TD's & Beer
05-09-2015, 01:20 PM
Goodell is such a douche. Announce you are suspending him, now wait to see how the media reacts.

You mean The Trial Balloon theory - gauge the temp of the public before making the decision


ESPN fired Bill Simmons when he went on the Dan show and blasted Lord Goodell


Simmons was more or less fired followed a Thursday appearance on The Dan Patrick Show. Simmons, brought on to discuss the New England Patriots’ ball-deflation scandal, used his airtime to cut a promo blasting NFL commissioner Roger Goodell

I think it’s pathetic. Roger Goodell has handled so many things so poorly that it’s reached a point now where you have something like this, where it’s taken four months to release the report, and he knew everything that was in it. He knows the results before the report is released to the public, and yet doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to do anything about it until he gauges the public reaction.

http://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-cribbing-an-old-wwe-catchphrase-was-the-la-1703247060

fansince'76
05-09-2015, 02:15 PM
You mean The Trial Balloon theory - gauge the temp of the public before making the decision


ESPN fired Bill Simmons when he went on the Dan show and blasted Lord Goodell


Simmons was more or less fired followed a Thursday appearance on The Dan Patrick Show. Simmons, brought on to discuss the New England Patriots’ ball-deflation scandal, used his airtime to cut a promo blasting NFL commissioner Roger Goodell

I think it’s pathetic. Roger Goodell has handled so many things so poorly that it’s reached a point now where you have something like this, where it’s taken four months to release the report, and he knew everything that was in it. He knows the results before the report is released to the public, and yet doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to do anything about it until he gauges the public reaction.

http://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-cribbing-an-old-wwe-catchphrase-was-the-la-1703247060

The release of that report was so obviously timed to occur right after the draft yet still as long as possible before training camps begin that I'm surprised nobody is talking about that. I'd put money on it that the report was finished and Goodell knew what was in it weeks ago.

Count Steeler
05-09-2015, 02:35 PM
You mean The Trial Balloon theory - gauge the temp of the public before making the decision


ESPN fired Bill Simmons when he went on the Dan show and blasted Lord Goodell


Simmons was more or less fired followed a Thursday appearance on The Dan Patrick Show. Simmons, brought on to discuss the New England Patriots’ ball-deflation scandal, used his airtime to cut a promo blasting NFL commissioner Roger Goodell

I think it’s pathetic. Roger Goodell has handled so many things so poorly that it’s reached a point now where you have something like this, where it’s taken four months to release the report, and he knew everything that was in it. He knows the results before the report is released to the public, and yet doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to do anything about it until he gauges the public reaction.

http://deadspin.com/bill-simmons-cribbing-an-old-wwe-catchphrase-was-the-la-1703247060

In this matter, Bill Simmons should be promoted, not fired. ESPN is in the Commish's pocket as well. The day approaches when the NFL will collapse. Or, if it is wise, it will fire Goodell.

Owners, start listening to the fans and not your pocket books. I think the NFL is doing well in spite of Goodell, not because of him.

fansince'76
05-09-2015, 02:37 PM
I think the NFL is doing well in spite of Goodell, not because of him.

:iagree:

Been saying that for years.

And one actually has to have testes to possess testicular fortitude...

polamalubeast
05-09-2015, 02:40 PM
In this matter, Bill Simmons should be promoted, not fired. ESPN is in the Commish's pocket as well. The day approaches when the NFL will collapse. Or, if it is wise, it will fire Goodell.

Owners, start listening to the fans and not your pocket books. I think the NFL is doing well in spite of Goodell, not because of him.


100% agree...Many are starting to realize(Since the Ray Rice situation) that Goodell is a horrible Commissioner, perhaps the worst of all time



I have a question for everyone.....Does Paul Tagliabue was a good commissioner?

fansince'76
05-09-2015, 02:42 PM
I have a question for everyone.....Does Paul Tagliabue was a good commissioner?

Rozelle was better, but Tagliabue would still be a 1000% improvement over what the NFL has now if he were to come back.

Goodell's a joke.

86WARD
05-09-2015, 02:51 PM
100% agree...Many are starting to realize(Since the Ray Rice situation) that Goodell is a horrible Commissioner, perhaps the worst of all time



I have a question for everyone.....Does Paul Tagliabue was a good commissioner?

Good...Yes. Rozelle was great. Goofdell is horridly awful...

polamalubeast
05-09-2015, 02:55 PM
Goodell believes his primary responsibity as commissioner is protecting the integrity of the game and making it safer—"protecting the shield", as he puts it (a reference to the NFL's shield logo


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Goodell

Craic
05-09-2015, 03:28 PM
The release of that report was so obviously timed to occur right after the draft yet still as long as possible before training camps begin that I'm surprised nobody is talking about that. I'd put money on it that the report was finished and Goodell knew what was in it weeks ago.

I don't see when the report could have been released that wouldn't have garnered the same response:

Before the draft: They released the report now so that everyone'll be talking about the draft by the time the weekend's over. It's just a way to bury this report and sweep it all under the rug in one or two news cycles. It should have been released AFTER the draft when there's nothing to take anyone's attention away from it.

Close to camp: it should have been released much earlier. Doing it now just guarantees it gets lost amid all the camp reports and excitement about the upcoming season. He's burying it. It should have been released much earlier.

Honestly, this is the best time to release it. There is nothing to take the press' eye off this story for the NFL. minicamps are a non-story. Contract ignings are virtually a given in the new CBA. Everything is wiped from the table and the story has two full months to run without any major competition before training camp. Yet, it also came out after the draft so the Pats* can't make any deals during the draft to shore up their offense.

In short, this is the worst time for the Pats* and the best timing for the story to get its fair play.

--------

As for your earlier response, no. You're looking for a proof-positive in the report. That is not the level needed anymore. All that is needed is "a preponderance of evidence" so that is the level at which the investigation worked. And the summation was, Yes, It is more probably than not that Brady knew. More probable than not is literally, the definition of "A preponderance of evidence."

tube517
05-09-2015, 03:35 PM
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fansince'76
05-09-2015, 03:37 PM
Honestly, this is the best time to release it. There is nothing to take the press' eye off this story for the NFL. minicamps are a non-story. Contract ignings are virtually a given in the new CBA. Everything is wiped from the table and the story has two full months to run without any major competition before training camp. Yet, it also came out after the draft so the Pats* can't make any deals during the draft to shore up their offense.

In short, this is the worst time for the Pats* and the best timing for the story to get its fair play.

Actually, that's a really good point. Didn't really think of it that way, but you're right.


As for your earlier response, no. You're looking for a proof-positive in the report. That is not the level needed anymore. All that is needed is "a preponderance of evidence" so that is the level at which the investigation worked. And the summation was, Yes, It is more probably than not that Brady knew. More probable than not is literally, the definition of "A preponderance of evidence."

I just really, REALLY don't want to see Brady skate on this one, like I'm afraid he will.

86WARD
05-09-2015, 03:45 PM
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Lol...

Steelman
05-09-2015, 03:56 PM
Interestingly, schedule could play into the length of suspension. The Pats* have a week 4 bye, so my money is on a 3-game suspension. Gives him an extra week to tune-up before starting. Also rides that line between too little and too much in the public eye. (i.e. Bell)

TD's & Beer
05-09-2015, 04:51 PM
​NFL challenges report on Brady suspension

By Chris Greenberg
Boston.com Staff | 05.09.15 | 4:23 PM

The NFL says it hasn’t yet made any decision on suspending Tom Brady over Deflategate, contrary to a new report that says the four-time Super Bowl MVP is about to make the wrong kind of history.

New York Daily News NFL columnist Gary Myers reported Friday that Brady will be suspended by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the decision will be announced next week. Myers cited several unnamed sources who have “a good sense of what goes on” at the NFL’s headquarters.

But NFL spokesman Greg Aiello spokesman said in an email to Boston.com Saturday that “no decisions have been made.”

“It is Gary Myers’ prediction,” Aiello wrote. “The headline is misleading.”

That headline, which you can read here, is “Tom Brady will be suspended by Roger Goodell for role in DeflateGate, announcement expected next week.”

The NFL’s statement that no decision has been made on possible punishments does not necessarily mean that no suspension is coming. Speculation on the duration of a possible punishment for Brady has been rampant since investigator Ted Wells’ report on the scandal was released Wednesday.

Goodell said Wednesday that the potential punishments were under consideration.

Citing sources with the Patriots, Mike Giardi of CSSNE.com reported Thursday the team is “fearful” of a suspension perhaps ranging from six to eight games.

“Everything is being studied, everything is being considered,” Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reported Thursday, citing an unnamed NFL source described as having knowledge of league disciplinary procedure. The Herald report did not suggest a minimum punishment, but noted that even a season-long ban was not off the table.

“It would be wrong to dismiss such an extended and seemingly improbable length of time as the ceiling for discipline,” Salguero wrote, citing his NFL source.


http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/05/09/nfl-challenges-report-brady-suspension/XewHQZZBJM9c4G2jSwEStJ/story.html?s_campaign=Email:Extra

Lady Steel
05-09-2015, 05:48 PM
Let's make things interesting... I think if Brady is suspended for the entire year, all Steelers Universe men should hafta get nekkid. :coffee:

hawaiiansteeler
05-09-2015, 05:59 PM
Let's make things interesting... I think if Brady is suspended for the entire year, all Steelers Universe men should hafta get nekkid. :coffee:

are we sure we want them all to get nekkid? :)

Lady Steel
05-09-2015, 06:17 PM
are we sure we want them all to get nekkid? :)

Hmmm... I dunno. I'll take a look and then decide. :chuckle:

86WARD
05-09-2015, 06:20 PM
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hawaiiansteeler
05-09-2015, 07:25 PM
Interestingly, schedule could play into the length of suspension. The Pats* have a week 4 bye, so my money is on a 3-game suspension. Gives him an extra week to tune-up before starting. Also rides that line between too little and too much in the public eye. (i.e. Bell)

another possible schedule scenario:

Shady Brady* gets a 6 game suspension which means he would miss games 5 versus the Colts and 6 against the Jets, since it was the games against the Colts and Jets that started DeflateGate and SpyGate...

Craic
05-10-2015, 01:04 AM
I just really, REALLY don't want to see Brady skate on this one, like I'm afraid he will.

And that, we're all in agreement on.

teegre
05-10-2015, 08:23 AM
I like CC but doesn't he get on your last nerve with the Taperoit worship???? I heard that too. But it does make sense. Hi Teeg:high5:

Hey Cap.

I listen to Colin Cowherd, because he is usually well-informed and entertaining. And, yes, his Taperiots "love" gets tiresome. But... that is why his suggestion that Brady should get a 4 game suspension is so damning.

Butch
05-10-2015, 08:45 AM
I will believe it when I see it. Any suspension will be shocking, but anything less than a full season will be a farce as they have a)cheated before and b) shady brady lied about his involvement. He should also get to the extra pay check treatment they levied on Bell as well just for trying to lie about his own involvement. At least Bell was honest about his involvement.

Belicheat should get the same.

86WARD
05-10-2015, 08:49 AM
Has Belichick's name been mentioned? I wonder...could Saints fans sue the NFL if Belichick isn't suspended? I mean...crazier, more silly things have happened...but think about it...lol.

BigNastyDefense
05-10-2015, 02:54 PM
I think he does get suspended. I think he will end up suspended a minimum of 4 games, but probably 8. It's possible he will be gone the whole season.

I think there's a fire under Goodell from not just the media but ownership of the other 31 teams to actually do something here. The Patriots have a history of cheating under Bellichick. He was able to sweep Spygate under the rug, but this he won't. I think we could see Bellichick suspended too, because "ignorance is no excuse" as he told Sean Payton. The hammer will come down, at least somewhat, on the League's golden boy and favorite franchise.

TD's & Beer
05-10-2015, 02:59 PM
ha ha

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer I don't think the Patriots' 4-month whisper campaign implicating other teams and the league thru certain media helps them here

zulater
05-10-2015, 04:36 PM
Here's my prediction. Brady will be called to New York and it will be put to him that if he publicly admits to some culpability and shows some public contrition then he'll get away with a league maximum fine (whatever that may be) x2. One fine will be for tampering with the balls, the other for not cooperating with a league investigation. So basically Brady will say something along the lines that he put it in the head of the two clubhouse attendants that he liked the balls a particular way and they ran with it a little further than he realized they would. (which of course will be complete bullshit, as Brady in fact more than likely demanded the resulting action) This is why the league had the report written as it was. The NFL wants some wiggle room, a little room for ambiguity, but some admission of wrongdoing to appease the 31 other teams. so Brady will in fact suit up for the opener. If they were going to suspend him it would already have been done.


As for the Patriots I think they're going to lose a draft pick, but not a first rounder. Most likely a 3rd. This again will be a result of not fully cooperating with the league by not making the stated employees available for follow up interviews. They'll also be fined the league maximum, which I believe is 500 k.

Bellichick gets a free pass.

Do I think this is right, that justice is served this way? Hell effing no! But no way does Goodell have the stones to suspend either Brady or Bellichick for the Thursday league opener.

On the bright side hopefully the Steelers will be thrown a bone and LeVeon's suspension will be reduced at least by one game upon appeal.

That's where I think this is going.

Craic
05-10-2015, 05:04 PM
All I want to know is, among all the Goodell hate, has anyone bothered to realize that Goodell isn't the one responsible for handing out the penalties here? It's Troy Vincent.

And, if you argue "Yeah, but nothing happens without Goodell's say," then I wonder . . . who'll man up and say "Good job, Goodell" if he does get a suspension. My guess is, 0. What we'll get instead is, "What? Only 2 games? How stupid . . . " or "What? six games and only a $25,000 fine? He should have got a XXXXX fine! *$#&# GOODELL!"

Personally, I still betting on two or three games. Very possibly, he'll get suspended for four, and then reduced to three, which'll mean he doesn't play until the fifth week (early bye-week for the Pats*). I think that, since this is Brady's first implication, that's about what we can expect. Oh, and the Pats* will get at least a $25,000 fine according to league rules.

86WARD
05-10-2015, 05:04 PM
I think there would be an uproar if that is all the Patriots were punished...by players, fans and media. Wouldn't surprise me though...

Craic
05-10-2015, 05:15 PM
OH . . . and I just found this. It explains perfectly the verbiage of the findings.

NFL Policy on Integrity of the Game and Enforcement of Competitive Rules: (section 4)

“The standard of proof required to find that a violation of league rules has occurred shall be a preponderance of the evidence. This is the degree of evidence that is of greater weight or more convincing than the evidence which is offered in opposition to it. It means that, as a whole, the fact sought to be proved is more probable than not.

hawaiiansteeler
05-10-2015, 05:36 PM
But no way does Goodell have the stones to suspend either Brady or Bellichick for the Thursday league opener.



I disagree, I believe Brady* will be suspended for at least the season opener if not more...

Steeldude
05-10-2015, 05:41 PM
I disagree, I believe Brady* will be suspended for at least the season opener if not more...

I think so too. The only reason he will be suspended a game is to make it look good. It won't be for disciplinary reasons.

Butch
05-10-2015, 07:40 PM
All I want to know is, among all the Goodell hate, has anyone bothered to realize that Goodell isn't the one responsible for handing out the penalties here? It's Troy Vincent.

And, if you argue "Yeah, but nothing happens without Goodell's say," then I wonder . . . who'll man up and say "Good job, Goodell" if he does get a suspension. My guess is, 0. What we'll get instead is, "What? Only 2 games? How stupid . . . " or "What? six games and only a $25,000 fine? He should have got a XXXXX fine! *$#&# GOODELL!"

Personally, I still betting on two or three games. Very possibly, he'll get suspended for four, and then reduced to three, which'll mean he doesn't play until the fifth week (early bye-week for the Pats*). I think that, since this is Brady's first implication, that's about what we can expect. Oh, and the Pats* will get at least a $25,000 fine according to league rules.

No (the nameless one) does not get a buy just by giving tommy a 2 or 3 game suspension. They were cheating leading up to the Super bowl and continued until the league finally decided it would investigate during the championship game. This should have been investigated well before the championship game and he and belicheat should have both been suspended before the playoffs even started or at the very least before the Super Bowl. They now have 4 (all be it tainted) trophy's in their case. No anything less than a full year suspension for both will be complete B.S. if you ask me. Also I don't agree that this is shady brady's 1st implication lest you forget the whole helmet speaker not being turned off well after it should have been. Although that was never investigated it was implicated.

I doubt there will be a suspension or if there is it will more than likely be very little 3-4 games maybe. There will be a big fine that will be peanuts compared to what the organization makes, and maybe even a late round draft pick. That will be about it, but if I am wrong and there is a 1 year suspension for both then I will definitely come on this board and say that (the nameless one) did a good job

hawaiiansteeler
05-10-2015, 11:18 PM
Gene Collier: Time to punish Patriots after yet another scandal

May 10, 2015
By Gene Collier / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

"You got me"? Not quite. Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, despite much evidence to the contrary, continues to deny his involvement in the deflated balls scandal.

Tom Brady is right; this week’s report asserting that he “was at least generally aware” of a plot to deflate footballs for the AFC championship did nothing to tarnish January’s Super Bowl victory.

Not at all.

That shining moment in sports history stands today as it will forever: Ball Shrinkers 28, Crotch Grabbers 24.

That’s not tarnished; it’s everything else that Brady has ever done that has been cast adrift on a sea of suspicion. By the time Brady’s New England Patriots survived the brain-cramping Seattle Seahawks in Super Bowl 49, the NFL had gotten its act together on a certain protocol, which I cannot quote directly but I think now goes something like this:

Hey, once we officially measure the air pressure in the game balls, pregame, how about we DON’T LET ANYONE TAKE THEM TO THE BATHROOM!

to read rest of article:

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/gene-collier/2015/05/10/Gene-Collier-Time-to-punish-Patriots-after-yet-another-scandal/stories/201505100119

fansince'76
05-10-2015, 11:26 PM
Also I don't agree that this is shady brady's 1st implication lest you forget the whole helmet speaker not being turned off well after it should have been. Although that was never investigated it was implicated.

Not to mention knowing EXACTLY what opposing defenses were doing before the fact for years on end. He shouldn't get a pass for Spygate because he directly benefited the most from it. Does anybody really believe he didn't know that his coach sanctioned a 7-year illegal videotaping operation?

"Best QB ever" MY ASS.


All I want to know is, among all the Goodell hate, has anyone bothered to realize that Goodell isn't the one responsible for handing out the penalties here? It's Troy Vincent.

I've heard this same argument for Goodell multiple times before (mostly by Chidi). "Well, Goodell isn't directly responsible for this. Well, Goodell isn't directly responsible for that."

To me it kinda begs the question of what DOES the guy do for that $40+ million per year, exactly?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SoWNMNKNeM

Let me guess - Goodell has "people skills" too, right?

hawaiiansteeler
05-11-2015, 01:03 AM
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HR.214477204107&pid=15.1&P=0

86WARD
05-11-2015, 05:37 AM
Goofdell may not "hand out" the punishments, but he has ultimate input...let's not act like he doesn't have anything to do with it...

vrabinec
05-11-2015, 11:46 AM
Wonder what the score of the AFC Championship game would be if you took away his 3 TDs, and all the yards passing in the Pats' TD drives so that, if they passed for 20 yards on a 21 yard drive, you made that a 1 yard drive to the 20, no TD. A suspension ain't gonna do anything to make the Colts' fans happy. Who knows that that game looks like if the balls are inflated properly. Maybe a couple drives stall, and the Colts get a short field. Maybe Tommy throws an interception. I think this will taint him enough to keep him out of the HoF for a few years. He'll get in eventually, but he's gonna have to wait.

hawaiiansteeler
05-11-2015, 04:40 PM
Shady Brady**** gets suspended for 4 games...

86WARD
05-11-2015, 04:43 PM
And Belichick getting nothing is a farce...

Patriots also lose 2016 first round pick, 2017 4th round pick and $1M fine.

hawaiiansteeler
05-11-2015, 04:46 PM
And Belichick getting nothing is a farce...



Sean Payton and the Saints must be pissed...

vrabinec
05-11-2015, 04:48 PM
Shady Brady**** gets suspended for 4 games...

Doesn't take the taint off their Super Bowl, but I'll take it. No guarantee we win that game, though. We always seem to start out like shit.

jb500ex
05-11-2015, 04:49 PM
He should have had 6 minimum and the hoodie atleast 8

hawaiiansteeler
05-11-2015, 05:04 PM
and Brady's* first game back is @ the Colts...

steelreserve
05-11-2015, 05:52 PM
I'm pissed that Brady got anything short of being executed at the 50-yard line at halftime of the season opener. Glad he's not playing against us, though.

When I heard about the first-round pick, my immediate reaction was that they must have two first-rounders this year from ripping off the Raiders or the Redskins in some trade, but I was shocked to learn they didn't. If they don't find some way to get a first-round pick, my money is on Goodell just canceling the whole draft.

86WARD
05-11-2015, 05:53 PM
He'll probably get zero games after the appeal...in sure Goofdell has the arbitrators pocket greased!

polamalubeast
05-11-2015, 05:56 PM
He'll probably get zero games after the appeal...in sure Goofdell has the arbitrators pocket greased!

Someone said that if Brady wins the appeal, the suspension will be reduced to two games.The Patriots will not go on appeal too.

fansince'76
05-11-2015, 06:06 PM
Gee - a million bucks. How ever will Kraft swing it? :coffee:

TD's & Beer
05-11-2015, 06:09 PM
Ha Ha! JUST LIKE i PERDICTED

I am redeemed....all U closet pats fans SUCK



Meet Jimmy Garoppolo, your Patriots starting quarterback

http://p.o0bc.com/rf/image_700w/Boston/2011-2020/2014/08/23/Boston.com/Sports/Images/453984206.jpg

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/05/11/meet-jimmy-garoppolo-your-patriots-starting-quarterback/50XVVf8rkwWwGyjUtrSEhJ/story.html

TD's & Beer
05-11-2015, 06:23 PM
40 lashes!


Patriots treated as repeat offenders, thanks to Spygate

The NFL’s harsh punishment of the Patriots for Deflategate was motivated in part by the team’s prior offense in Spygate.

The league’s statement on Deflategate discipline makes clear that the decision to strip the Patriots of a first-round draft pick next year and a fourth-round draft pick in 2017 in addition to imposing a $1 million fine was motivated in part by Spygate.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/11/nfl-statement-on-deflategate-discipline/

teegre
05-11-2015, 06:38 PM
Sean Payton should sue the NFL for his $7 million worth of lost salary.

Why?

Belichick didn't get suspended. (Need I explain more?)

Butch
05-11-2015, 06:40 PM
Where is the extra game check for shady brady???

tube517
05-11-2015, 07:05 PM
https://scontent-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11068330_860787193992836_8489088529901898463_n.jpg ?oh=0512c94d66a1cac8e88d4cd7aa18e1b9&oe=55DBB9E3

TD's & Beer
05-11-2015, 07:05 PM
JIMMY G-------- GO GETEM BUD!

Charlie Casserly:
"The Patriots got off easy."

ha ha

Craic
05-11-2015, 07:16 PM
Seems as though this is the wrong subforum, no?

Will he be suspended? Don't know. He wasn't the one who actually did it. Yet, he did have knowledge, even seems to have requested it, and then used the advantage in a game. What would I do? I'd say he gets a heavy fine and a warning that the next time, he gets a six-eight game suspension. I'd also fine the team, and dock them a first round draft pick, then double it to two years worth of first round picks due to this being their second infraction under this head coach and owner. If they protested it, I'd be willing to drop it to a 1st and a third round loss in the next draft (maybe a second round, depending on the intricacies).

What do I think will happen? A fine for the team and a fine for Brady, and losing a third or second round pick.

Huh, looks like I wasn't that far off. Didn't anticipate the suspension at first, but did anticipate the team fine. Called the first round pick, and said I'd be willing to go to a third round the following year as well from a first. Looks like they just went for a fourth, so all in all, one pick off there.

TD's & Beer
05-11-2015, 07:57 PM
As part of the league’s announcement of the punishment of the team and Tom Brady for #DeflateGate, the Patriots admitted that “employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th.




Cheatin' OWNERS:


https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/scapegoat-e1431387803280.jpg?w=250

Rotorhead
05-11-2015, 08:05 PM
I am shocked, he was actually punished, I guess no dinners for Goddell at Brady's or Kraft's house lol

steelreserve
05-11-2015, 08:08 PM
You know what makes me just pleased as punch? How every message board and comments section is filled with Patriots fans whining about how unfair life is.

"OMG UNFAIR!!! CANT THEY READ! IT SAYS ALL OVER THE MEDIA THERES NO DEFINITE PROOF!"

"ZOMG BRADY GETS SUSPENDED 4 GAMES & HE DIDNT EVEN DO ANYTHING! BRADY SHOULD SUE THE NFL HE'LL TOTALLY WIN!"

"WTF RAY RICE CAN PUNCH HIS GIRLFRIEND AND ALL HE GETS IS 2 GAMES! BUT ALL BRADY DID IS CHEAT ON THE FIELD AND HE GETS 4?!?! WTF GOODELL! HE CHEATED AT FOOTBALL ITS NOT LIKE HE MURDERED SOMEONE!"

"PATRIOTS SHOULD SUE THE NFL! ITS OBVIOUS THE LEAGUE HAS BEEN OUT TO GET US FROM THE START & THE COMMISIONER IS SO BIAS ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY."


The only sad part is that Goodell's bullshit has gone on for so long that people actually believe that the NFL disciplinary system is primarily supposed to be about crimes that the police arrest you for, and that cheating at football is "no big deal" by comparison. I'd dismiss that as delusional Patriots fans, only it's not just Patriots fans making that foolhardy argument.

:puke:

BigNastyDefense
05-11-2015, 08:26 PM
First off, Pats fans can kiss my ass.

Second, Brady deserves the suspension. Should have been more, IMO. I don't think it'll be reduced upon appeal. The NFL will probably tell him that it's 2 games for cheating and 2 for not cooperating with the investigation.

Pats fans are telling Steelers fans to "kiss the rings." They must be using common core math, because 6 > 4*

hawaiiansteeler
05-11-2015, 08:31 PM
https://notalwayssmiling.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/new-england-patriots-deflategate-memes_1.jpg

Craic
05-11-2015, 10:09 PM
As part of the league’s announcement of the punishment of the team and Tom Brady for #DeflateGate, the Patriots admitted that “employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th.




Cheatin' OWNERS:


https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/scapegoat-e1431387803280.jpg?w=250


Actually, no. There was more to the punishment that isn't getting reported. Part of that punishment is that Jastremski and McNally are banned from working for a football organization. And, if they ever apply to the commissioner and he lifts it, they are still banned from ever working with footballs/team equipment, etc. again.

Lady Steel
05-11-2015, 11:31 PM
The Patriots* will be without Brady* and Blount for the first game of the season. Bwahahahaha! Suck it, Patsy fans!

hawaiiansteeler
05-11-2015, 11:38 PM
The Patriots* will be without Brady* and Blount for the first game of the season. Bwahahahaha! Suck it, Patsy fans!

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/7a/02/b4/7a02b4c5046a55cf04d6cea4cfd3e1ff.jpg

Lady Steel
05-11-2015, 11:42 PM
I wonder if Brady* will make Giselle come out of retirement in order to bring home the bacon for those 4 games he will be suspended. :chuckle:

Lady Steel
05-12-2015, 12:02 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEx7s3RUUAAO9B0.jpg


:lol:

hawaiiansteeler
05-12-2015, 12:04 AM
I wonder if Brady* will make Giselle come out of retirement in order to bring home the bacon for those 4 games he will be suspended. :chuckle:

she'll have to, how would they be able to make it otherwise?

http://blog-imgs-46.fc2.com/o/v/e/overlord/Gisele-Bundchen-Vogue-Brazil-Giampaolo-Sgura-01.jpg

hawaiiansteeler
05-12-2015, 01:02 AM
LeGarrette BlountVerified account‏@LG_Blount -

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!!! SMH #PATSNATION STAND UP!!!!!

https://twitter.com/LG_Blount/status/597885337386557440

TD's & Beer
05-12-2015, 04:42 AM
Actually, no. .

actually, yes - the Pats found their scapegoat for their greasy whore fans

Patriots employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th.

https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/597888675440140288

TD's & Beer
05-12-2015, 05:01 AM
You know what makes me just pleased as punch? How every message board and comments section is filled with Patriots fans whining about how unfair life is.


ha - the whining will just get louder

Pats should not play the Games Brady is Suspended!

Season ticket holder since 71. Done with the NFL!

I will never watch another NFL game.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/are-you-done-with-the-nfl-immediate-reaction.1119864/page-2

86WARD
05-12-2015, 06:31 AM
actually, yes - the Pats found their scapegoat for their greasy whore fans

Patriots employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th.

https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/597888675440140288





I read somewhere that they will never have an NFL job and if they write Goodell and he lets them back in the league that they'll never have a position that has to do with equipment. You know if that's true, these guys were just doing what their employers were telling them to do...more complete bull shit...

fansince'76
05-12-2015, 08:06 AM
ha - the whining will just get louder

Pats should not play the Games Brady is Suspended!

Season ticket holder since 71. Done with the NFL!

I will never watch another NFL game.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/are-you-done-with-the-nfl-immediate-reaction.1119864/page-2

I read a little of the BS over there yesterday until I could no longer tolerate the whining and crying.

Steelerschik
05-12-2015, 08:44 AM
I read a little of the BS over there yesterday until I could no longer tolerate the whining and crying.

I wish I hadn't clicked on that forum. The one that got me was this lovely quote

"Let the moron haters stew in their victory lap (the punishment), I'm done. Deleting my Twitter account because I don't want to read any more about this. All I can say to the NFL the non Pat's fans is go **** yourselves and I hope you suffer horrible misfortunes."


Really dude? Horrible misfortunes? You wish this on people for calling Brady what he is...a cheater? For finally feeling happy the ****s are finally getting punished for something they've been getting away with for God knows how long? Horrible misfortunes? For football???? Man, most of those fans need some serious counseling to gain perspective in their lives. Beyond sad and pathetic.

Dissolv
05-12-2015, 10:05 AM
Repeat Offenders, refused to cooperate, blasted the process before it even got started -- if I was from New England there is no way that I would be allow my little girls to follow this craptastic example. If you can't be for fair play and an even playing field in sports, of all places, what do they teach their kids about real life?

Truly sickening.

Dissolv

P.S. I want the Pats* to be on a short leash for ANYTHING for the next decade.

Lady Steel
05-12-2015, 10:12 AM
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Steelman
05-12-2015, 10:32 AM
Pats won't roll over. Garoppolo has what it takes to be a good quarterback IMO. Way more than Cassell or Mallett.


Of course, I'm excited about James Harrison giving him a proper opening day welcome. :thumbsup:

Born2Steel
05-12-2015, 10:46 AM
Gotta disagree with you there. The Saints putting bounties on players = hurting human beings for money. The Pats* could have paid the refs to throw the game, and it wouldn't be as serious as literally paying people for hurting others.

I do, however, believe this is a serious problem, and haven't changed from my earlier statement.

That was kinda my point there. There was no pay for injury program like it was made to look like. It was a pay for play program where the defense group all put money into a pool and money was paid from that pool for 'splash' plays. There were zero players that the Saints defense injured in any game. Yet the entire thing was made to look like a bounty program. The penalties were overly harsh, IMO, but it set the precedent in case the issue comes up ever again. Now all teams know the price. If teams/players want to push the line on rules, they now know the price if they get caught, or they soon will depending on how the appeals turn out.

teegre
05-12-2015, 11:11 AM
Colin "Bradyfan" Cowherd iterated this morning:

(paraphrased)
"I have no problem with the penalty. Had Brady been truthful, he may not have even gotten suspended; his cover-up is what got him suspended... and, deservedly so."

TD's & Beer
05-12-2015, 12:09 PM
I am loving every minute of it!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEzfL4KW0AAhD2z.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEy7-QJXIAAmkV9.jpg:large

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I read a little of the BS over there yesterday until I could no longer tolerate the whining and crying.


some of it was quite funny

Kraft is a fucking spineless coward who cares more about the league than his team.

100% done. All NFL/Football related accounts on Twitter have been unfollowed and unliked on Facebook. NFL ball has gone in the trash and my Patriots gear will be going to goodwill tomorrow. Will be signing out of here and not be returning too.

tube517
05-12-2015, 01:17 PM
I am loving every minute of it!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEzfL4KW0AAhD2z.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEy7-QJXIAAmkV9.jpg:large

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some of it was quite funny

Kraft is a fucking spineless coward who cares more about the league than his team.

100% done. All NFL/Football related accounts on Twitter have been unfollowed and unliked on Facebook. NFL ball has gone in the trash and my Patriots gear will be going to goodwill tomorrow. Will be signing out of here and not be returning too.


Those dumb *Cheats fans got a break with Spygate*. Brady* should have gotten 8 games. And Bellicheat 4 games for being Darth Sidious. Kraftgate* has no class and is a whiny POS. Take the punishment like men and STFU. I mean the Rooneys aren't perfect but they take punishments (no matter how unjust) like real men and don't whine as does Bob Kraftgate*.

TD's & Beer
05-12-2015, 01:43 PM
ha ha

Seattle CB - Will BlackmonVerified account ‏@willblackmon

"For Goddell so loved the NFL he gave his one and only son... Roger 3:16"

hawaiiansteeler
05-12-2015, 01:44 PM
I wish I hadn't clicked on that forum. The one that got me was this lovely quote

"Let the moron haters stew in their victory lap (the punishment), I'm done. Deleting my Twitter account because I don't want to read any more about this. All I can say to the NFL the non Pat's fans is go **** yourselves and I hope you suffer horrible misfortunes."

Really dude? Horrible misfortunes?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-K8qi_AoXI

Steelman
05-12-2015, 02:37 PM
ha ha

Seattle CB - Will BlackmonVerified account ‏@willblackmon

"For Goddell so loved the NFL he gave his one and only son... Roger 3:16"

:rofl2::toofunny:

fansince'76
05-12-2015, 04:14 PM
I wish I hadn't clicked on that forum. The one that got me was this lovely quote

"Let the moron haters stew in their victory lap (the punishment), I'm done. Deleting my Twitter account because I don't want to read any more about this. All I can say to the NFL the non Pat's fans is go **** yourselves and I hope you suffer horrible misfortunes."


Really dude? Horrible misfortunes? You wish this on people for calling Brady what he is...a cheater? For finally feeling happy the ****s are finally getting punished for something they've been getting away with for God knows how long? Horrible misfortunes? For football???? Man, most of those fans need some serious counseling to gain perspective in their lives. Beyond sad and pathetic.

http://www.thedrawplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2015-05-12-PatsTears.png

Steelerschik
05-12-2015, 04:37 PM
Hawaiian I desperately needed that laugh. That and the captions/pics get better every minute.

hawaiiansteeler
05-12-2015, 05:07 PM
Brady jerseys available for creative personalization

Posted by Mike Florio on May 12, 2015

https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/brady5.jpg?w=189

Eight years ago, after Mike Vick was indicted for dog fighting, it was impossible to buy a Vick jersey with creative names on it (like “Ron Mexico”), or with his own name on it.

Now, in the immediate aftermath of the four-game suspension of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, his jersey can still be purchased, both in his name and others.

Via SportsBusiness Daily, Patriots jerseys with No. 12 on the back can be purchased with “Deflator,” “Cheater,” “Scammer,” “Con Artist,” and “Flat Balls” in the name plate at NFLShop.com. “Fraud” was not available.

Presumably, that will change, soon. So if you want to get a jersey with one of those terms on the back, move quickly.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/12/brady-jerseys-available-for-creative-personalization/

Kittyfish
05-14-2015, 10:23 AM
Ha - that would be the ONE way to get me to buy a Patriots jersey! I am almost tempted. Love it.

hawaiiansteeler
05-14-2015, 01:54 PM
Pats: Jim McNally called himself “Deflator” because he’s fat

Posted by Darin Gantt on May 14, 2015

https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/cd05oddlnmnhy2mwmjrlzwqzntjhm2viytq1y2vly2yzocznpw rlyza0nwvinzmxzjjjngexodljnza2mgu5mznkywji-e1431618962404.jpeg?w=250

Oh, here we go, this makes perfect sense.

Jim McNally didn’t call himself The Deflator because he took air out of footballs, more probably than not at the behest of Tom Brady.

He called himself that because he’s fat.

That’s another of the arguments forwarded by the Patriots in their really long (nearly 20,000 words) refutation of the Ted Wells Report.

The Patriots explain that John Jastremski is a “slender guy,” and usually tried to work out and bulk up. McNally is described as “a big fellow,” and was trying to lose weight.

The Patriots contend investigators had possession of the “espn/deflator” text initially, but didn’t ask McNally about it in their first interview.

“Had they done so, they would have learned from either gentleman one of the ways they used the deflation/deflator term,” they wrote. “‘Deflate’ was a term they used to refer to losing weight.”

They cite specific texts including one which read “deflate and give somebody that jacket.”

“There was nothing complicated or sinister about it,” they wrote, before going through a blow-by-blow of previous texts between McNally and Jastremski which references beer pong and women whose names were “omitted out of respect to Mrs. Jastremski.”

The Patriots suggest that the “jocular texts” undermine Wells’ suggestion that deflator was a reference to anything wrong.

And frankly, that’s as thin as Jastremski apparently is.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/14/pats-jim-mcnally-called-himself-deflator-because-hes-fat/

fansince'76
05-14-2015, 01:59 PM
Again, I'll believe it when I see Garoppolo starting on September 10th.

And if he isn't, I won't be watching...

Mexican Yinzer
05-14-2015, 02:25 PM
Does anyone still belive his not going to get a reduction to 2 games or even 0 ? I really don't think so...

Rotorhead
05-14-2015, 03:19 PM
Who knows, it wouldnt surprise me if that asshole commish had a deal worked out with Kraft about this whole thing from the beginning, dole out the suspension to look good for the league, then get the appeal to have the suspension dropped. The cool million and maybe a draft pick or 2 will be all that gets done and is not too much for Kraft to deal with, he probably wipes his ass with $100 bills.

Pete The Greek
05-14-2015, 04:23 PM
Pats: Jim McNally called himself “Deflator” because he’s fat

Right.................when pigs fly. Nobody who is fat uses this term.

Also, why did the Patriots organization suspended both guys if they felt nothing wrong was done? I am tired of the bullshit that comes out of this organization.

ALLD
05-14-2015, 04:55 PM
Do they really think people are that gullible? To those not on Planet Patriot their statement makes them look more guilty.

steelcityboyz
05-14-2015, 05:01 PM
Who knows, it wouldnt surprise me if that asshole commish had a deal worked out with Kraft about this whole thing from the beginning, dole out the suspension to look good for the league, then get the appeal to have the suspension dropped. The cool million and maybe a draft pick or 2 will be all that gets done and is not too much for Kraft to deal with, he probably wipes his ass with $100 bills.:yup: I was thinking the same thing. I wouldn't put anything past that greasy fuckin organization or goodell.

SteelerFanInStl
05-14-2015, 05:15 PM
Is it possible to get your punishment increased when you appeal? :willy: That's what should happen here.

86WARD
05-14-2015, 05:54 PM
The Patriots have so many excuses it's absolutely funny at this point. If the penalty gets reduced to 0, it will be the biggest joke and further make a mess of the NFL.

SteelerFanInStl
05-14-2015, 06:31 PM
I agree, it's just a complete joke.

I really don't see how the NFL, or anyone, could possibly justify reducing any of the penalties.

fansince'76
05-14-2015, 06:41 PM
"Tom Brady lawyered up, so he should get it overturned!"

So what? Goodell's office has supposedly retained ultimate power in the levying and enforcement of punishments under the Personal Conduct Policy, to which this situation certainly applies. If this gets "overturned," then all it proves is how dickless Goodell really is and who the de facto commissioner of the NFL really is (Kraft).

This is what REALLY gives me pause:


“Some of us [owners] are waiting a little nervously to see what Robert does next,” he said. “It’s positive that we sent a message that cheating will not be tolerated.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/12/nfl-owner-on-kraft-goodell-relationship-pretty-much-dead/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/12/nfl-owner-on-kraft-goodell-relationship-pretty-much-dead/)

Uh, excuse me? Seems to me he is just one of 32, so if he doesn't like it he can lump it and then take it down the road and dump it.

86WARD
05-14-2015, 07:56 PM
That dirt bag Kraft has no one to blame but himself and his organization. Dirt bag.

Mexican Yinzer
05-14-2015, 09:12 PM
The Patriots have so many excuses it's absolutely funny at this point. If the penalty gets reduced to 0, it will be the biggest joke and further make a mess of the NFL.

Don't doubt by an inch this will be the case. Remember it's Goodell we're talking about.


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Mexican Yinzer
05-14-2015, 09:15 PM
I am watching nfl total access on NFL Network, and the BS keeps on coming, he actually had the nerve to appeal, what a joke. I still sick by my comment. He should have been suspended for a year!!!


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Mexican Yinzer
05-14-2015, 09:21 PM
https://twitter.com/nachocapistran/status/599036228197986304 LOL


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86WARD
05-14-2015, 09:41 PM
Goofdell to exercise his right to hear Brady's appeal...lol.

salamander
05-14-2015, 09:52 PM
I'm done with the NFL if Brady doesn't have to serve a suspension. Done. That whole organization is full of dirty, cheating scumbags.

Lady Steel
05-14-2015, 11:36 PM
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:lol:

SteelerFanInStl
05-15-2015, 07:23 AM
I had to turn my radio station this morning from Mike & Mike because I got tired of hearing the Brady apologists.

TD's & Beer
05-15-2015, 09:28 AM
Ha Ha!

Leave the suspension as it is Rog - we believe you.

Seventy percent of NFL fans believe that New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady cheated and used deflated footballs.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/70percent-of-fans-think-tom-cheated/vi-BBjNAsX

hawaiiansteeler
05-15-2015, 12:45 PM
On Roger getting it right, rookie minicamp

by Bob Labriola
Steelers.com

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell got it right in the punishment levied for Deflategate.

Ready or not, here it comes:

* Roger got it right this time?

* NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell did get it right this time, in my opinion. For the most part, anyway. And just so we’re all on the same page, I’m not buying that the punishments levied against the NFL’s marquee player and one of its highest-profile franchises were determined in a vacuum by Troy Vincent.

* Just to recap, the NFL suspended Tom Brady for four games, fined the Patriots $1 million, and stripped the team of a No. 1 draft choice in 2016 and a No. 4 draft choice in 2017. Harsh, to be sure, but in keeping with the severity of the crime, and in this case the crime is not deflating some footballs, but rather an attack on the integrity of the sport.

* The public must believe that the games the NFL presents are fair. The rules the same for both teams, the equipment consistent. Any exposure to weather has to be the same. Access to electronic equipment, and the communications using that equipment – all of it is regulated and governed by rules. Professional football is a billion-dollar industry, and it cannot afford to allow any doubt to germinate within the general public that its product isn’t on the up-and-up.

* Within this decade, the Patriots have been convicted twice now for violations of the integrity of the game, and that’s why the punishments handed out for Deflategate needed to be severe. Stand before a judge in criminal court having been convicted of a crime with a previous conviction on your record, and you can assume the hammer is going to come down harder the second time.

* All that said, there is a caveat to this atta-boy being directed at Park Avenue: Too often, the NFL issues discipline that has a built-in give-back option for an expected appeal. Then once the appeal is filed and granted, the punishments are lightened, and there’s some meeting in the middle. Kind of similar to buying a car. If that’s what is happening here, then Roger didn’t get it right this time, either.

* Patriots owner Robert Kraft had said the team would accept whatever penalties were meted out based on the findings of the Wells Report, but since then the team has become much more aggressive in refuting the findings as the proceedings head toward appeal.

* One of the issues raised by the Patriots is that Wells’ law firm has close ties to the NFL and therefore his report is something other than unbiased. As another part of their response, the Patriots offered a rebuttal of the science cited in the Wells Report via Professor Roderick MacKinnon, a 2003 Nobel laureate in chemistry.

* Without getting overly academic, MacKinnon refuted the science as it was laid out in the Wells Report as it pertained to deflation of footballs in weather, and the Patriots described MacKinnon as someone with “no business or personal relationship with the Patriots” who “offered his scientific expertise to the team” once news of the investigation went public.

* Noah Gray of Nature magazine subsequently wrote that MacKinnon actually is the “scientific co-founder” and co-chair of the Scientific Advisory Board of a company called Flex Pharma that counts The Kraft Group among its investors.

* There are many words that can be used to describe the New England Patriots. One of those words is pathological.

http://www.steelers.com/news/article...0-1f42f8d78046

hawaiiansteeler
05-16-2015, 01:46 AM
Patriots have been accused of tampering with communications before

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 15, 2015

https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/350x-281.jpg?w=250

Karlos Dansby said in an appearance on PFT Live this week that he suspected the Patriots of wrongdoing in 2008, when the Cardinals visited New England and had trouble with their coach-to-helmet communications system. Dansby wasn’t the first to make such a claim against the Patriots.

After the Jaguars lost to the Patriots in the playoffs following the 2005 season, then-Jacksonville coach Jack Del Rio said the headsets “mysteriously malfunctioned.”

In 2007, Paul Zimmerman of Sports Illustrated reported that in a 2006 Lions-Patriots game in New England, then-Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz had Detroit’s offense off to a good start until he lost the ability to call plays because the communications system went out. According to that report, it happened to the Lions twice, both times in the middle of drives when the Lions were picking up steam.

Zimmerman’s report also quoted Bengals coach Marvin Lewis as saying the same thing that happened to the Lions had happened to the Bengals as well: “Yeah, I know,” Lewis said. “Headset went out. It happened to me in Foxboro, too.”

The NFL has never substantiated any such accusations against the Patriots. Spygate and Deflategate, however, have cast a long shadow over the franchise, and opened the Patriots up to charges that those weren’t the only times they cheated.

Just the only times they got caught.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/15/patriots-have-been-accused-of-tampering-with-communications-before/

86WARD
05-16-2015, 05:31 AM
Belichick knows nothing...

Steeler_Dynasty
05-17-2015, 02:11 PM
Frankly, I think that the Patriots have made so much stink over it, it would be totally blatant if Goodell didn't stick to the original decree, with Marsha receiving three instead of 4 (but only if Bell gets his reduced to 2). The rest should stick, due to the organizations tendencies to cheat. But if it does go past the appeal to federal court, the Brady phone gets a subpoena (doesn't it?), so I wouldn't be adverse to that either.

I feel better than I have in a while for our chances to beat the Cheatriots, Brady or not. With their depleted talent we know what's going to happen: they'll play the same strategy they did in the Superbowl. 1.5 second limit before getting rid of the ball. I'd be willing to bet we're better at creating quick pressure this year than last year. Plus, with that pressure, whoever's pulling the trigger will have less accuracy and maybe throw a couple ints our way. Plus unless Belicheat has a mole in the Steeler Org. they won't know what our general game plan is until the last minute cause, at least so far, Butler's been tight-lipped. Plus we have a brand new DC, it'll be like they won't know what to expect, so that adds a wrinkle. Plus, they won't have depleted balls so maybe a couple fumbles too. I haven't even mentioned our offense.
Yep, Brady or no Brady, I feel better than a long time about playing them. All I'm worried about is staying healthy and slacking on the "given wins".

hawaiiansteeler
05-17-2015, 05:56 PM
Patriots quarterback Tom Brady could sue NFL relatively soon

Ian McCue
New England Newsletter

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/113/610/6_3610113.jpg

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady may sue NFL commissioner Roger Goodell sooner rather than later.

The lawsuit will likely come before the league makes a decision on Brady's appeal of his four-game suspension, according to Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio. This is because the NFL Players Association wants someone other than Goodell to handle Brady's appeal, as the commissioner is seen as having obvious bias in the case.

Per PFT, the NFLPA hopes to call Goodell as a witness in Brady's appeal to figure out if this was to some extent a sting operation by the league. If they knew about the possibility of New England using under-inflated footballs before the AFC Championship Game in January, it could change the entire perspective on this ballooning controversy.

Unlike in the Saints Bountygate scandal, Goodell did not dish out the initial punishment of a four-game suspension, the loss of first and fourth-round draft picks and a $1 million fine for the organization. NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent doled out those penalties, so there is not such an inherent conflict of interest for Goodell.

The NFL announced the harsh penalties for the Patriots on Monday, five days after attorney Ted Wells released his detailed report on the Patriots intentionally deflating balls before a 45-7 rout of the Colts en route to the Super Bowl. What once seemed a relatively minor scandal is expected to lead to lawsuits and has reportedly soured the close relationship between Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft.

http://nep.247sports.com/Bolt/Patriots-quarterback-Tom-Brady-could-sue-NFL-relatively-soon-37312407

fansince'76
05-17-2015, 07:14 PM
This is because the NFL Players Association wants someone other than Goodell to handle Brady's appeal, as the commissioner is seen as having obvious bias in the case.

So sorry, but that's part and parcel of the CBA that YOU VOTED FOR. The ONLY team that has a legitimate gripe regarding the excessive power that Goodell wields at this point is the Steelers.

Sucks when it's no longer just Steelers players who are being bent over and forced to grab their ankles, huh?


Per PFT, the NFLPA hopes to call Goodell as a witness in Brady's appeal to figure out if this was to some extent a sting operation by the league.

Yes, because willfully conspiring to take down the defending champs (and one player in particular the NFL has invested the last decade-and-a-half pimping as a shining example of everything that's good and right with sports in general) in such a public and humiliating fashion makes really great business sense, not to mention does wonders for the credibility of a league that was already skating on paper-thin ice in that department. :rolleyes:

Anybody who really believes that Goodell wouldn't sweep this whole thing under the rug and make it disappear if he possibly could is delusional, plain and simple.

The bullshit from Patriots apologists is getting so deep a person needs wings to stay above it... :coffee:

fansince'76
05-19-2015, 09:51 AM
He's not missing a game. The suspensions began and ended with the two locker room flunkies Brady told to take air out of the balls (as I've suspected all along). Book it. :coffee:


The NFL and the New England Patriots are engaged in "back-channel conversations" to see whether the two sides can resolve their differences without an appeal or possible litigation after the league's Deflategate punishment, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter...

...In addition, a league source told Schefter on Tuesday that the league asked the Patriots to suspend officials locker room attendant Jim McNally and equipment assistant John Jastremski prior to the team being disciplined by the NFL. The Patriots obliged with the request to suspend the two employees.

Sources: Pats, NFL working to resolve issues with Deflategate penalties

http://www.threatmetrix.com/fraudsandends/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Sweeping-Under-the-Carpet.jpg (http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12910531/new-england-patriots-nfl-working-resolution-issues-deflategate-penalties)

Steelman
05-19-2015, 10:07 AM
Of course. :coffee:

Rotorhead
05-19-2015, 10:44 AM
Like I said earlier, if you honestly done believe there wasnt already a back room deal between Kraft and Goodell, you haven't been paying attention to Goodell's BS antics since becoming commissioner. This was all set up from the beginning, 4 game suspension, appeal to no suspension, both look good to their perspective groupies, nothing really happens. Maybe the fine stays (you know, to help Goodell with his house or boat payment) and the 2 lackies get the boot as well. I wouldnt be surprised if they got a nice payday for their troubles on the way out the door as well.

tube517
05-19-2015, 11:50 AM
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TD's & Beer
05-19-2015, 11:59 AM
WE want Brady's phone!

WE want Brady's phone!

http://www.highsnobiety.com/files/2013/10/gisele-bundchen-double-body-editorial-vogue-6-300x450.jpg

TD's & Beer
05-19-2015, 12:31 PM
He's not missing a game. . Book it.

Robert Kraft drops the fight, says he'll accept deflate-gate punishmenthttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/robert-kraft-drops-the-fight--says-he-ll-accept-deflate-gate-punishment-171900816.html



Kraft holding news conference on ESPN. Says he will "reluctantly" accept the punishment handed down by NFL because it is the best thing for the NFL and the Pats** to "just end the rhetoric"


Go Steelers!

fansince'76
05-19-2015, 01:03 PM
Kraft holding news conference on ESPN. Says he will "reluctantly" accept the punishment handed down by NFL because it is the best thing for the NFL and the Pats** to "just end the rhetoric"

Translation: the other owners served Kraft a piping hot bowl of STFU.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs13/f/2007/084/d/1/Alphabet_soup_by_fernz.jpg

TD's & Beer
05-19-2015, 01:05 PM
Even if Goodell reduces Brady's suspension to one or two games I will be happy!

Go Steelers!

TD's & Beer
05-19-2015, 01:49 PM
Patriots won't appeal Deflategate punishment (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1163/tom-brady)

The Patriots will not appeal their $1 million fine and loss of draft picks in the "Deflategate" scandal.


finally, they admit it

Cheaters!
Cheaters!
Cheaters!
Cheaters!
Cheaters!
Cheaters!

TD's & Beer
05-19-2015, 08:09 PM
Anti Kraft Rally

Surround Patriots Place lock arms and don't let anyone in to shop, that should get his attention.

Then take all your Pats Gear back to the Pats store and ask to return it for a refund under the Aaron Hernandez rule! as Kraft has just labelled all patriots as cheaters.

The best protest would be for everyone who has tickets to the season opener, to spend the night out in the parking lot protesting instead.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/anti-kraft-rally.1120430/

fansince'76
05-19-2015, 08:13 PM
Anti Kraft Rally

Surround Patriots Place lock arms and don't let anyone in to shop, that should get his attention.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/anti-kraft-rally.1120430/

Go ahead, get arrested just like those jackasses who handcuffed themselves together and staged a "sit-in" at the league offices in NYC.

Idiots. :lol:

TD's & Beer
05-20-2015, 02:55 PM
ha ha - they deleted that thread

here's a better one





http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=69894


Kraft has folded, what a b!tch!!

There it is, bend over folks. No Vaseline.

He taking it up the ass.

If I am Brady I want my immediate release.

"Dear NFL, yeah, we cheated. Oops" - Bob Kraft.

40 years of love and support just got flushed down the shitter.

I hope he moves the whole thing to LA at this point

hawaiiansteeler
05-22-2015, 12:33 PM
Report: Belichick never believed Brady on deflation issue

Posted by Mike Florio on May 22, 2015

https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/brady7.jpg?w=221

The popular theory regarding the somewhat surprising decision of the Patriots to not appeal the punishments imposed against the team by the NFL is that owner Robert Kraft and Commissioner Roger Goodell struck some sort of a behind-the-scenes deal, possibly one that entails reducing the four-game suspension imposed on quarterback Tom Brady. But there’s another theory that is simpler, both on the surface and beneath.

Maybe the Patriots just caved because they knew they couldn’t win and they didn’t want to do more damage to their relationship with their 31 business partners and the presiding body that binds them together.

Appearing recently on CSN New England’s Sports Tonight, Ron Borges of the Boston Herald offered up a tidbit that fits with the theory that the Patriots abandoned a fight they knew: (1) they wouldn’t win; and (2) would make things worse.

“[Coach Bill] Belichick never believed [Brady’s] story, from what I was told,” Borges said. “Because they all know. Why do you think all those retired quarterbacks, the Troy Aikmans of the world — Troy Aikman is about as nice a guy as I’ve ever met in football — nobody’s backed [Brady]. Nobody, not a single guy. Why do you think that is? Because they hate Brady? No. Because they’re not stupid. They know nothing’s done with those balls that the quarterback doesn’t want done.”

That’s pretty much what Brady said back in January, during that awkward are-you-a-cheater?-I-don’t-believe-so press conference that few found credible.

“When I pick those footballs out, at that point, to me, they’re perfect. I don’t want anyone touching the balls after that, I don’t want anyone rubbing them, putting any air in, taking any air out, to me those balls are perfect and that’s what I expect when I’m on the field,” Brady said.

to read rest of article:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/22/report-belichick-never-believed-brady-on-deflation-issue/

teegre
05-22-2015, 02:22 PM
Belichick is smart. He knows when to move away from the smoking gun.

fansince'76
05-22-2015, 03:19 PM
Cool story. I don't for a second believe that the biggest micromanager in the league (Belichick) didn't know what was going on the whole time. If someone so much as farts in Gillette Stadium he knows about it, but he had no clue about any of this? :bs:

86WARD
05-22-2015, 06:00 PM
Sounds like Brady could possibly play against the Steelers if Goodell holds up the suspension and Brady in turn gets an injunction to play immediately while taking legal action...

hawaiiansteeler
05-22-2015, 10:31 PM
Robert Kraft surrenders in a battle he couldn’t win

By Dan Shaughnessy GLOBE COLUMNIST

SAN FRANCISCO — Gone was all the bluster from Bob Kraft’s Super Bowl press conference when he demanded an apology from the NFL. We heard none of the throwdown rhetoric from Kraft’s defiant interview with Peter King that was released Monday.

There was no fight left in Kraft when he stood behind a podium just after 10 a.m. Pacific time, on the second floor of a swank hotel at the NFL’s spring meetings Tuesday.

“I don’t want to continue the rhetoric that’s gone on for the last four months,’’ said a somber Kraft. “I’m going to accept, reluctantly, what he [commissioner Roger Goodell] has given to us and not continue this dialogue and rhetoric, and we won’t appeal.’’

Boo. Kraft caved. He took the (gulp) high road. And then he took no questions. He wimped out, and left combative Patriot fans spitting out pieces of their broken luck. He chose to honor the NFL Shield. He opted to keep his seat at Goodell’s head table. Or maybe (best case for Patriot fans) Kraft cut a deal with the commissioner and managed to get Tom Brady’s four-game suspension reduced.

If Brady’s entire punishment is stricken from the record, Patriots fans might be able to turn this into a victory, but anything short of that makes Kraft’s capitulation a big loss for the New England franchise.

Patriots owner Robert Kraft cited a desire to end “the rhetoric that’s gone on for the last four months.”

The battle is over, Patriot fans. And the war has been lost. The Patriots have been found to have cheated twice in eight seasons. They have accepted the loss of first-round draft picks twice in eight seasons. They have accepted the biggest fine in NFL history.

Despite their 20,000-word rebuttal to the Wells Report, and their continued public position that they did nothing wrong, the Patriots have chosen not to fight. Kraft is never going to get the apology he demanded when he arrived at the Super Bowl. Instead, he goes down in sports history as a somewhat tragic figure — a guy who presided over a franchise that won (at least) four Super Bowls, but was caught cheating twice.

to read rest of article:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/19/robert-kraft-surrenders-battle-couldn-win/MOpqZnW4k8NhqaFpdMI4qO/story.html?event=event25

fansince'76
05-22-2015, 11:07 PM
In New England, we know that this decorated team has won its championships on merit and smarts, but the tarnish of a second cheating scandal will stick with the franchise. The legion of haters (jealous folks who have been getting their butts kicked for 15 years) will always have a hammer to use against the four-ring champs from Foxborough.

I swear, they're like a cult. :doh:

Repeating the tired "The Pats did nothing wrong and everyone who thinks they did is just a jealous hater" mantra (lie) over and over and over and over and over again won't make it true. :rolleyes:


New England’s “Wells Report in Context,’’ did not play well around the country. Maybe it was a blunder to sell the preposterous notion that “The Deflator” was just an overweight guy trying to drop a few pounds.

MAYBE? MAYBE? :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:

Chalk up Mr. Shaughnessy of the Boston Globe as another Kool-Aid drinking brainwashee in desperate need of electroshock therapy. :lol:

A note to Dan Shaughnessy: YOUR TEAM CHEATED. THE QB WHOSE NUTSACK YOUR LIPS ARE SURGICALLY ATTACHED TO ALSO CHEATED. DEAL ALREADY. :coffee:

j-d-s
05-25-2015, 02:37 AM
I think the league has to come down harder on guys like Brady and Belichick. They are repeat offenders, I think both of them should be suspended for at least half the season. I mean, a Sean Payton gets a full year suspension for some bounties, guys like Rice and Peterson are suspended for almost a full season (yeah, not officially, but practically) and when someone tries to manipulate the game itself he only gets four games? Come on. Brady has shown that he gives a fuck about the integrity of the game and he deserves to be punished hard for this. As it comes to Belichick, that guy knows everything that is going on in Foxboro. No way he wasn't aware of what happened and he's done things like that multiple times.

7SteelGal43
05-25-2015, 09:29 AM
Tom Brady suspended for 4 games, huh ? Why does the word 'pre-season' come to mind when I hear 4 games ?!

HinesWardHOF
05-27-2015, 03:36 PM
Tom Brady suspended for 4 games, huh ? Why does the word 'pre-season' come to mind when I hear 4 games ?!

well if brady is suspended for 4 games of the pre season then bell would be suspended for 3 pre season games .. and thats gonna happen.. the suspension is for reg season games not PS..

HINES

7SteelGal43
06-07-2015, 04:40 PM
well if brady is suspended for 4 games of the pre season then bell would be suspended for 3 pre season games .. and thats gonna happen.. the suspension is for reg season games not PS..

HINES


I guess sarcasm and facetiousness are missed on some people. :yup:

86WARD
06-07-2015, 07:55 PM
I guess sarcasm and facetiousness are missed on some people. :yup:

How dare you use a word over 7 letters on a message board...

hawaiiansteeler
06-10-2015, 08:02 PM
Robert Kraft still hopeful Tom Brady will play Week One

Posted by Michael David Smith on June 9, 2015

https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/bradykraft1.jpg?w=250

Patriots owner Robert Kraft still thinks his team may have Tom Brady on the field for the Thursday, September 10 opener.

Asked today about Brady appealing his four-game suspension, Kraft wouldn’t go into specifics, but he indicated that he believes it’s still possible that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell could overturn that suspension entirely.

“We’re part of a system and we’ll follow the rules, and it’s our hope that opening game here, we’ll have the privilege of having everyone who deserves to be on the field starting that game. I know that’s what our fans want and that’s what we want,” Kraft said.

Would Goodell really change a four-game suspension to a zero-game suspension? That would be a major departure from Goodell’s longstanding reputation as a commissioner who rules with an iron fist. But it’s what Kraft is hoping will happen when Goodell hears Brady’s appeal in two weeks.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/09/robert-kraft-still-hopeful-tom-brady-will-play-week-one/

fansince'76
06-10-2015, 08:06 PM
Would Goodell really change a four-game suspension to a zero-game suspension? That would be a major departure from Goodell’s longstanding reputation as a commissioner who rules with an iron fist.

Since when? Goodell is a spineless puppet and what's more, he's also Kraft's lapdog. Always has been.

I have no doubt he'll play. That was the concession Goodell made to Kraft during their little meeting. It also explains the complete 180 Kraft made over the situation.

I can hear the B.S. explanation already:

"In light of the fact that Tommy has shown remorse and contrition, and has demonstrated that he has learned his lesson, and has crossed his heart and hoped to die in promising me he'll never ever do it again in a billion years, I'm waiving his suspension entirely." :jerkit:

http://www.thevictoryformation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tom-brady-crying.jpg

As I've said all along I'll believe he's suspended when I see Garoppolo starting on opening night. :coffee:

86WARD
06-10-2015, 08:43 PM
Agree. I'll believe it when I see it.

Butch
06-10-2015, 09:29 PM
I have believed all along that the suspension would not be held up. Go to Hell has said as much when he talked about the investigation just a few weeks back.

tube517
06-10-2015, 10:40 PM
What suspension? Goodhell's fake NFL fans don't want Janeane Garafalo playing QB in the overhyped opening game when all the festivities would be spoiled without Marsha there.

hawaiiansteeler
06-12-2015, 12:14 PM
New England Patriots to sign QB Matt Flynn

By Marc Sessler
Around the NFL Writer
Published: June 11, 2015

The Patriots still don't know if Tom Brady's four-game suspension will stick, but they aren't waiting around to find out.

The team on Thursday will sign veteran backup Matt Flynn, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported, per a source informed of the situation. Flynn will join a quarterback room that expects to start second-year passer Jimmy Garoppolo against the Steelers come Week 1.

ESPN first reported the news, and the Patriots announced Thursday they've released quarterback Garrett Gilbert.

Flynn has spent six of his seven NFL seasons in Green Bay, but the Packers made no effort to re-sign him this offseason. Green Bay saw more to work with in Scott Tolzien, but the Patriots aren't looking for a savior. Flynn is a hard-working veteran who gives New England another camp arm.

It's been years, though, since Flynn has produced positive game tape, largely because his arm strength has spiraled into the abyss. That said, the free-agent market for veteran arms is a graveyard, leaving Flynn as the top choice of a very mediocre bunch.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000496674/article/new-england-Patriots*-to-sign-qb-matt-flynn

hawaiiansteeler
06-15-2015, 12:11 PM
I guess cheaters can prosper...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHgdKzRWIAEEx_0.jpg

Lady Steel
06-19-2015, 12:26 AM
I guess cheaters can prosper...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHgdKzRWIAEEx_0.jpg




Yeah, but he dances like a dweeb and I hate him so, so much. :chuckle:


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86WARD
06-19-2015, 05:26 AM
Funny how we are still waiting on the appeal...

Count Steeler
06-19-2015, 05:27 AM
Funny how we are still waiting on the appeal...

June 23, last I heard.

fansince'76
06-19-2015, 11:52 AM
June 23, last I heard.

Yep. If it gets completely overturned (which I fully expect), that'll be the last straw for me as far as the NFL is concerned...

TD's & Beer
06-19-2015, 02:05 PM
Tom Brady’s appeal of his four-game DeflateGate suspension will be held at the NFL offices at 345 Park Avenue beginning at 9:30 a.m. Tuesday.

Set your timers

Rotorhead
06-19-2015, 04:37 PM
"At 9:32am, we are expected to hear the suspension has been lifted after a spirited 1m speech (ie BJ by Goodell) by Tom"

SteelerFanInStl
06-19-2015, 05:23 PM
Why has Le'Veon's appeal still not been heard? His was appealed way before Brady.

fansince'76
06-19-2015, 05:44 PM
Why has Le'Veon's appeal still not been heard? His was appealed way before Brady.

Ya really gotta ask? :chuckle:

hawaiiansteeler
06-19-2015, 08:24 PM
Ya really gotta ask? :chuckle:

http://lastwordonsports.com/lwos-content/uploads/2013/12/Goodell-meme-610x392.jpg

hawaiiansteeler
06-21-2015, 12:30 AM
Brady eventually could serve his suspension in 2016

Posted by Mike Florio on June 20, 2015

https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/zz01zmvhodkwmdq1ogq3ogeyognjztllyzq3ytq3zwy0yg.jpe g?w=250

The appeal hearing for Patriots quarterback Tom Brady’s four-game suspension begins this week. It presumably will end this week, either on Tuesday the 23rd or Thursday the 25th. But the conclusion of the hearing will represent the beginning of a broader effort to get a final decision on Brady’s status before Thursday, September 10, when the Patriots host the Steelers to start the season.

Article 46 of the labor deal requires a decision on Brady’s appeal to be issued “as soon as practicable” after the hearing ends. For Cowboys defensive end Greg Hardy, “as soon as practicable” has translated to a delay of 23 days and counting. For Brady, whose appeal is being handled personally by Commissioner Roger Goodell, it’s unclear how long it will be until a decision is issued.

If Goodell does anything other than wipe the suspension off the books entirely, Brady and the NFL Players Association presumably will fight the outcome in court, challenging the outcome of the arbitration under a very high legal standard that will make it difficult but not impossible for Brady to prevail.

But what if Goodell takes a month to issue a decision and the court in which the legal attack is pursueddoesn’t move quickly enough to resolve the case by September 10? At some point, Brady will have to decide whether to make a StarCaps-style effort to delay the implementation of the suspension until the case ends.

A successful effort to suspend the suspension could in theory result in Brady missing games not at the start of the season, but in November or December.

to read rest of article:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/20/brady-eventually-could-serve-his-suspension-in-2016/

86WARD
06-21-2015, 06:30 AM
Which is fine with me...I'd rather see him miss the games during their playoff run...lol. That would be pretty stupid on his part and the NFLPA if that were the result.

fansince'76
06-21-2015, 08:28 AM
If Goodell does anything other than wipe the suspension off the books entirely, Brady and the NFL Players Association presumably will fight the outcome in court, challenging the outcome of the arbitration under a very high legal standard that will make it difficult but not impossible for Brady to prevail.

I kinda doubt it since he'll have to turn over his Emails and texts then. But then, I also believe the asshat will overturn the suspension anyway.