Can Ben reach 5,000 yards?

[MrPgh]

Currently has 4,055 yards on the season. He would have to average about 334 yards/game in the last three games.

Yes, it's unimportant in the grand scheme of things. But the most yardage he's ever passed for in a season was 4,328 in 2009.

[stillers4me]

As long as Brown gets his 5 catches, he should! :lol:

[zulater]

No and I don't want him to. A more balanced attack is in order. It's more important that LeVeon gets a 100 rushing that Ben gets 300 plus passing.

[polamalubeast]

I think it will be 4800 yards for this year

[Count Steeler]

I don't think so. He will set a personal best, but probably short of the 5K.

[st33lersguy]

Ben has had too many off days this year. I think the K-City game will put him out of the running

[X-Terminator]

Can he? Sure. Will he? No. I agree with polamalubeast and think he tops out at around 4800.

[polamalubeast]

Ben has had too many off days this year. I think the K-City game will put him out of the running

This is true, but in the game against the jets, Ben had 350 yards and against the saints he had 450 yards....You can have a lot of yards in garbage time

It could be a good thing that Ben has not 5000 yards

[MrPgh]

No and I don't want him to. A more balanced attack is in order. It's more important that LeVeon gets a 100 rushing that Ben gets 300 plus passing.

Didn't they do that today and Ben still got 350? And if we're going to say it's a bad thing for Ben to start chasing stats, then why is it any better for Bell to chase stats?

[zulater]

Didn't they do that today and Ben still got 350? And if we're going to say it's a bad thing for Ben to start chasing stats, then why is it any better for Bell to chase stats?

It's not about chasing stats. I have nothing against Ben getting his numbers. I just think we're a better team when LeVeon is more prominent in the game plan. for example today, do you think they leave Martavis Bryant that wide open if Bell hadn't been gashing them to death before that?

[MrPgh]

It's not about chasing stats. I have nothing against Ben getting his numbers. I just think we're a better team when LeVeon is more prominent in the game plan. for example today, do you think they leave Martavis Bryant that wide open if Bell hadn't been gashing them to death before that?

Does Bell get all those yards if Bruce Gradkowski is the QB?

[zulater]

Does Bell get all those yards if Bruce Gradkowski is the QB?

No of course not. Where does that stupid question come from?

[MrPgh]

No of course not. Where does that stupid question come from?

IDK, where does the stupid question about Bryant come from?

It's no better demanding that Bell get 100 yards/game than it is demanding Ben get over 300. The only difference is the former makes old-school yinzers wet their pants.

[Psycho Ward 86]

he's going to PR across the board but fall short of the big "wow" factor stats, namely 40 TD's, 5000 passing yards, etc.

[86WARD]

Yes. In hopes that they take some of the load off of Bell...

[salamander]

He's currently on pace to throw for approximately 4,990 yards which is pretty darn close so I'll go out on a limb and say yes.

[steelreserve]

He can, if you ask me it really depends on whether the Atlanta game turns into a shootout where he has 400+ yards.

I guess that's one interesting thing about having a shitty defense. The offense can never let the foot off the gas, because the opponent is liable to rip off back-to-back 80-yard drives in 1:30 at any given time.

[Lady Steel]

I think Ben can do it, but unfortunately will fall just short. I hope I'm wrong, though.

[Steeltreal]

No and I don't want him to. A more balanced attack is in order. It's more important that LeVeon gets a 100 rushing that Ben gets 300 plus passing.
so when LeVeon gets a short dumpoff and takes it for 20+ yards what's the difference

[Psycho Ward 86]

atlanta has the last ranked pass defense in the league so there's that.



of course that means we'll come out and try to run the ball down their throats and throw 5 times for 17 yards.

[Steeldude]

It's possible due to the way the NFL is now.

I am slowly becoming less interested in the NFL as Goodell destroys it. Remember when passing for 300+ yards was an awesome thing to see? Now it is just an average day.

[Hindes204]

atlanta has the last ranked pass defense in the league so there's that.



of course that means we'll come out and try to run the ball down their throats and throw 5 times for 17 yards.


Lol....so much this

[zulater]

so when LeVeon gets a short dumpoff and takes it for 20+ yards what's the difference

Well first off when that happens Ben gets credited with the passing yards. So what exactly that means? And secondly I don;'t really give a rats ass about Ben's stats other than W's and L's. If we win the next 3 and he gets to 5,0000 in the process. Wonderful.

No. You know what. Forget I said anything. :wtf: If he gets to 5,000, we can all throw a party. :party: :willy:

I'm done with this thread.

[Count Steeler]

The offense has achieved a lot of stats this year, only 1 matters.

[Godfather]

Yes. Someone noted that he had a big statistical game against the Saints and against the Jets. So even if he lays an egg he still puts up a lot of yards.

[SteelMayhem72]

All I want is wins!! As long as everybody stays healthy I dont care how we win.

[MrPgh]

Let's keep in mind Ben getting to the 5000 yard mark isn't necessarily stat chasing. Does anyone think the 500 yard game against Indy was stat chasing? All of that seemed necessary in order for the Steelers to win.

[salamander]

Let's keep in mind Ben getting to the 5000 yard mark isn't necessarily stat chasing. Does anyone think the 500 yard game against Indy was stat chasing? All of that seemed necessary in order for the Steelers to win.

Yepp... with the way the defense is playing, we need Ben to put up big numbers every week.

[HollywoodSteel]

Well first off when that happens Ben gets credited with the passing yards. So what exactly that means? And secondly I don;'t really give a rats ass about Ben's stats other than W's and L's. If we win the next 3 and he gets to 5,0000 in the process. Wonderful.

No. You know what. Forget I said anything. :wtf: If he gets to 5,000, we can all throw a party. :party: :willy:

I'm done with this thread.

I think where you guys are taking past each other is that, yes of course we'd like a balanced attack, but no one guy's stats really matter (Ben's or Bell's) other than the wins. So if Atlanta stacks 8 in the box to stop Bell we'd be fools to put rushing stats, or even carries, as any type of priority. We should do whatever it takes to score the most possible points (unless we're so far ahead that points don't matter). I don't care if Ben gets 1000 in one game and Bell hardly rushes at all if that's what it takes to win.

I think the game plan going into every game should be a result of film study and then in game adjustments based on what their defense is giving us. We have so many weapons on offense that we have that luxury. My worry with Haley is that he will now decide that rushing Bell over and over is the only game plan, regardless of how the other team is game planning against us. Defenses hate more than anything to be out-physicaled and they will be watching plenty of tape on what Bell did to the Bengals.

Don't get me wrong, I want to plan for plenty of Bell as well... unless they stacking every time to stop him. We should be able to put over 40 points on Atlanta if we are prepared to utilize any and all of our weapons. Plus I would like to get Ben into a rhythm early to keep him on his game throughout the game.

Anyway, I think we're all saying close to the same thing. We don't care about anyone's numbers as long as we win (and play optimum situational football to do it).

[polamalubeast]

4415 yards with 2 games to go

[GBMelBlount]

4415 yards with 2 games to go

How many QB's have thrown for 5,000 yards in a season?

[X-Terminator]

4415 yards with 2 games to go

5000 is looking really good right now.

[X-Terminator]

How many QB's have thrown for 5,000 yards in a season?

Brady, Rodgers, Brees 4x, Manning. Ben would be the 5th.

EDIT: Actually Rodgers has never done it, so Ben would be the 4th.

EDIT 2: Add Matt Stafford to the list. Should just check pro-football-reference.com LOL

[st33lersguy]

Kansas City is going to be tough to throw on, also right now Cincy is playing better on the road so it is going to be tough

[fansince'76]

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning. Ben would be the 5th.

Marino did it back when it actually meant something. Stafford has done it as well.

[polamalubeast]

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning. Ben would be the 5th.

Rodgers has never had 5,000 yards in a season, but Marino has had 5,000 yards in 1984...Same for Stafford in 2011

[X-Terminator]

Rodgers has never had 5,000 yards in a season, but Marino has had 5,000 yards in 1984...Same for Stafford in 2011

Yes, I realize that now. :doh2:

Just think about how many yards a prime Marino would throw for today. He threw for 5,000 yards back when teams were still allowed to play tough, physical defense.

[86WARD]

I really hope that he gets it. Will just add to his resume for the Hall. Would rather see a fourth Super Bowl appearance and third ring added...

[st33lersguy]

Marino did it back when it actually meant something. Stafford has done it as well.

I think the fact that Stafford threw for 5,000 yards pretty much illegitimizes and reduces the accomplishment

[GBMelBlount]

Marino did it back when it actually meant something. Stafford has done it as well.

Ya. I was thinking Marino.

That is especially amazing for his era.

...and is Brees x4 THAT good or was his offense incredibly loaded?

It's nice to see Ben finally have an offensive line AND great weapons.

Not much time left....

[Mojouw]

Ya. I was thinking Marino.

That is especially amazing for his era.

...and is Brees x4 THAT good or was his offense incredibly loaded?

It's nice to see Ben finally have an offensive line AND great weapons.

Not much time left....

For Brees it is a bit of both. offense was loaded with talented playmakers - many with spectacular run after the catch skills. But, other QBs in this era have had that and none have gone over 5K multiple times. Brees is extremely talented and gets lost in the Manning/Brady debate - he should be up there as well.

[Godfather]

...and is Brees x4 THAT good or was his offense incredibly loaded?


Mostly Drew. None of his targets in NOLA will ever enter the Hall of Fame without a ticket. Plus when I was in graduate school, my weekly football pool often used "How many passing yards will Purdue quarterback Drew Brees have?" as a tiebreaker.

[HollywoodSteel]

Ya. I was thinking Marino.

That is especially amazing for his era.

...and is Brees x4 THAT good or was his offense incredibly loaded?

It's nice to see Ben finally have an offensive line AND great weapons.

Not much time left....

Imagine if this offense had been utilized to its potential early in the season. Ben would looking at 6000 passing yards.

I know that kind of statement is not entirely fair since Bryant probably didn't have the offense completely figured out early on and the line needed some time to gel. On the other hand it isn't my job to be fair. I'm a fan. :)

[zulater]

Marino did it back when it actually meant something. Stafford has done it as well.

Marino's 84 season would translate today to something along the lines of 60 td's and 6,500 yards. Easily on the yards in fact. Maybe even 7000.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Mostly Drew. None of his targets in NOLA will ever enter the Hall of Fame without a ticket. Plus when I was in graduate school, my weekly football pool often used "How many passing yards will Purdue quarterback Drew Brees have?" as a tiebreaker.
Jimmy Graham will be in the HOF if he continues to play the way he currently is.

[polamalubeast]

The Steelers need also a win of the ravens also to be in the playoffs

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/12/update-win-chiefs-next-week-not-guarantee-playoff-spot/


edit:wrong thread

[st33lersguy]

Mostly Drew. None of his targets in NOLA will ever enter the Hall of Fame without a ticket. Plus when I was in graduate school, my weekly football pool often used "How many passing yards will Purdue quarterback Drew Brees have?" as a tiebreaker.

Drew's 1st 5,000 yard season was in 2008. Though rules were sliding in favor of offense back then, the rules didn't turn into flag football level til 2011. Comparison, Kurt Warner was 2md with 4,583 yards, only 6 players had 4,000 yards passing (compared to an average of 10 the last 3 years), and only 3 of which passed for more than 4,100 yards

[86WARD]

I think the fact that Stafford threw for 5,000 yards pretty much illegitimizes and reduces the accomplishment

Not really. It's not like Stafford is a slouch. He's pretty decent. There's a lot worse out there...a lot worse.

[polamalubeast]

The chiefs have not given once 300 yards to a QB this year and they played against Peyton Manning(2 times), Brady and Rivers

It'll be a challenge for Ben

[venom]

Tom Brady is Gay

[Merchant]

The chiefs have not given once 300 yards to a QB this year and they played against Peyton Manning(2 times), Brady and Rivers

It'll be a challenge for Ben

Mainly because their run defense has been awful. QB's haven't had to lean on the passing game.

[polamalubeast]

Mainly because their run defense has been awful. QB's haven't had to lean on the passing game.

The chiefs gave 5.3 yards per pass, which is the best in the NFL

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/2014.htm

[polamalubeast]

Ben need 365 yards....

[X-Terminator]

Ben need 365 yards....

Well, he dropped 350 on the Bungles in their last game, so it's doable. But I predict he falls just short.

[Count Steeler]

I think if we go up early on the Bengals they will fold up like a cheap suit. Ben doesn't get the 5,000 this year.

[zulater]

Today was a game that goes to my point that big passing yardage totals aren't necessarily relevant to winning. I've got nothing against Ben racking up big numbers. But same token a cooly efficient 220 yards probably speaks to a more balanced team effort. And that's what we're going to need more of to keep advancing to the next level. Or at least having the ability to grind out an efficient win speaks to a team coming together the right way at the right time.

[polamalubeast]

Today was a game that goes to my point that big passing yardage totals aren't necessarily relevant to winning. I've got nothing against Ben racking up big numbers. But same token a cooly efficient 220 yards probably speaks to a more balanced team effort. And that's what we're going to need more of to keep advancing to the next level. Or at least having the ability to grind out an efficient win speaks to a team coming together the right way at the right time.




In a normal game, a team has 10-12 drives in a game

Today, the Steelers only had 6 drives(with only 50-55 plays)......With more drives and more plays, Ben would have had at least 300 yards

[zulater]

In a normal game, a team has 10-12 drives in a game

Today, the Steelers only had 6 drives(with only 50-55 plays)......With more drives and more plays, Ben would have had at least 300 yards

True enough. The Chiefs were converting 3rd downs all game, so yeah it did keep our offense off the field to a large extent.

[steelreserve]

In a normal game, a team has 10-12 drives in a game

Today, the Steelers only had 6 drives(with only 50-55 plays)......With more drives and more plays, Ben would have had at least 300 yards


True enough. The Chiefs were converting 3rd downs all game, so yeah it did keep our offense off the field to a large extent.


Yeah, the problem was that for a lot of the game, our defense was as porous as ever, except Alex Smith can't throw further than 10 yards. So instead of the usual 5-play, 80-yard drive in 1:30 for a touchdown, it was 12-play, 75-yard drives in 7:00 for a field goal. I guess we kind of did the same thing, only with a couple of touchdowns mixed in.

Anyway, possible that he gets it next week, flip a coin.

[salamander]

He currently sits at over 4,600 yards for the season. In hindsight, the fact that we're in the playoffs with the chance to win the division is just fine with me, 5,000 yards or not.

[polamalubeast]

Winning the division is the most important thing for next week but I'd like to see Ben get 5000 yards!

[Merchant]

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120510185702/friendmaking/images/e/eb/Freddie-mercury-so-close-pose1.jpg

48 Yards!! Blah

[katmandu]

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120510185702/friendmaking/images/e/eb/Freddie-mercury-so-close-pose1.jpg

48 Yards!! BlahTied Drew Brees for a Total of 4952 Yards!

What are the Odds of (2) QBs TYING like that ?