the " Stonio " experiment is over in Bears Land

[Dwinsgames]

Bears release Santonio " Stonio " Holmes who has had an epic fall from grace since his SB MVP performance ( hey kids see what drugs do to you ? )

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000426832/article/chicago-bears-waive-santonio-holmes

[Lady Steel]

Before anyone puts the inevitable question out there, the answer is NO! :chuckle:

[salamander]

Before anyone puts the inevitable question out there, the answer is NO! :chuckle:

But but but......for vet minimum....... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[zulater]

Bears release Santonio " Stonio " Holmes who has had an epic fall from grace since his SB MVP performance ( hey kids see what drugs do to you ? )

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000426832/article/chicago-bears-waive-santonio-holmes

Drugs combined with a me first attitude.

And he should have never been SB MVP. That belonged to Ben. Ben was the guy who moved them down the length of the field for that score. He's the one that scrambled out of certain sacks, found Heath Miller for a crucial long gain, and pumped faked a well covered Stonio open enough to make that catch. A catch that wouldn't have even been necessary if Stonio makes the catch the play before as he should have. Ben has never been a favorite of the national press. Giving that award to Stonio was nothing more than a big FU to Ben from the assembled voting media in attendance.

[Dwinsgames]

Drugs combined with a me first attitude.

And he should have never been SB MVP. That belonged to Ben. Ben was the guy who moved them down the length of the field for that score. He's the one that scrambled out of certain sacks, found Heath Miller for a crucial long gain, and pumped faked a well covered Stonio open enough to make that catch. A catch that wouldn't have even been necessary if Stonio makes the catch the play before as he should have. Ben has never been a favorite of the national press. Giving that award to Stonio was nothing more than a big FU to Ben from the assembled voting media in attendance.

the media is all about dramatics and many times whomever makes the most dramatic game influential play will get the award , worthy or not ...seeing as it was a hell of a catch and at the very end of the game that dramatic emotional snap decision was made to give it to him .. I get it , just do not agree with it either

[tube517]

Before anyone puts the inevitable question out there, the answer is NO! :chuckle:

He'll get a call from Arians soon.

[fansince'76]

the media is all about dramatics and many times whomever makes the most dramatic game influential play will get the award , worthy or not ...seeing as it was a hell of a catch and at the very end of the game that dramatic emotional snap decision was made to give it to him .. I get it , just do not agree with it either

I'd argue that it was a tougher throw than catch...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24k3PCL4prU

Zu's right. If his last name was "Manning" or "Brady," he'd have gotten MVP.

[Dwinsgames]

I'd argue that it was a tougher throw than catch...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24k3PCL4prU

Zu's right. If his last name was "Manning" or "Brady," he'd have gotten MVP.

you get no argument from me

[steelreserve]

Nonsense, "Big Game" Willie Parker was the MVP of that Super Bowl, with his 2.7 yards per carry for 50 yards. Another snub for the ages.

[polamalubeast]

Nonsense, "Big Game" Willie Parker was the MVP of that Super Bowl, with his 2.7 yards per carry for 50 yards. Another snub for the ages.


Willie Parker is 7-0 in the playoffs in his career!!!

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I'd argue that it was a tougher throw than catch...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24k3PCL4prU

Zu's right. If his last name was "Manning" or "Brady," he'd have gotten MVP.


Brady had won the SB MVP in 2001 with only 140 passings yards!!!!..The SB of Ben in 2008 was also better than Peyton(2006) and Eli(2007) even if they won the mvp

[Craic]

Drugs combined with a me first attitude.

And he should have never been SB MVP. That belonged to Ben. Ben was the guy who moved them down the length of the field for that score. He's the one that scrambled out of certain sacks, found Heath Miller for a crucial long gain, and pumped faked a well covered Stonio open enough to make that catch. A catch that wouldn't have even been necessary if Stonio makes the catch the play before as he should have. Ben has never been a favorite of the national press. Giving that award to Stonio was nothing more than a big FU to Ben from the assembled voting media in attendance.

I don't know about that (SB MVP). That game, Ben was 21/30 for 256 yards including a TD and an Interception for a decent 93.2 QB rating. If you look at QB play, he was really the second best QB on the field that day (Warner went 31-43 for 377 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT, 112 rating). But, when you move to the Wide Receivers, Santo had a VERY good day. He caught 10 balls out of 13 targets (though his receiving stats say 9 receptions, my guess is one of them was called back on a penalty). Officially, he had 9 receptions for 131 yards and TD. Those stats put him in the running to be the best WR on the field that day, as Larry Fitzgerald had 7 receptions for 127 yards and two TDs (although, he did catch 7 out of the eight balls targeted to him).

And Zu, Heath Miller didn't catch a single ball on tha tlast drive. It went

Ben short right to Santo - Santo gains 14 yards.
Ben incomplete deep right to Washington.
Ben complete short right to Santo, Santo gains 13 yards
Ben complete short right to Nate washington for 11 yards.
Ben, rush 4 yards.
Ben Complete to Santo, short right, Santo gains 40 yards.
Ben pass incomplete, short left to Santo
Pass to Santo, short right, TD.
Most of that yardage was made not by Ben throwing, but by his receivers' YAC. Beyond that, by far, the majority of yards were gained by Santonio Holmes.

I'm not disparaging Ben's performance. Either one of them could have received the MVP, and I would have been happy. But denying that Santo was also deserving of it is reading into that game everything's that's happened in the six years since.

[steelreserve]

Willie Parker is 7-0 in the playoffs in his career!!!

Yeah, and he had a good performance in exactly two of them (including one that was essentially one long run and then gaining almost no yards the rest of the day).




I'm not disparaging Ben's performance. Either one of them could have received the MVP, and I would have been happy. But denying that Santo was also deserving of it is reading into that game everything's that's happened in the six years since.

Pretty much what you said. I don't think there was a clear-cut winner between the two of them. People forget that Holmes was basically that entire drive for us (5 of the 6 pass plays that went for positive yards). Ben's numbers were pretty pedestrian up until that last drive (15-23 for about 150 yards and an interception). You could have made a case for Harrison as the MVP too; he probably would've been it if his play had come later in the game.

I don't really care who got the MVP as long as we won the Super Bowl. And looking back on it, we did not play our best, and Arizona did not play badly. We were pretty fortunate to win that game.

[zulater]

Any normal qb would have been sacked about 3 times on that drive. Ben willed that possession into the end zone. As far as Stonio, we were very lucky the refs didn't see his little LeBron impression. Because if they had we would have been kicking from the 15.

[Craic]

Any normal qb would have been sacked about 3 times on that drive. Ben willed that possession into the end zone. As far as Stonio, we were very lucky the refs didn't see his little LeBron impression. Because if they had we would have been kicking from the 15.

None of which detracts from what I said. They were both very deserving. And as much as that pass had to be dead on perfect from Ben, it also had to be caught, with both feet in bounds, and held on to as he went to the ground, with three defenders draped on him. It was a beautiful play all the way around. Again, don't let the last six or so years and your feelings about both Ben and Santonio interfere with what actually happened in that game. They were both deserving. Santonio got it. Do you not see that Santonio deserved it as well?

[zulater]

No I don't. Any time it's close it should go to the qb. A WR has one or two guys to beat on any given play. The qb has to account for all 11.The pressure on the qb is greater than anyone else. Also in this game Ben essentially won the game 3 times. First time was on the safety. Because on that play he completed a perfect pass to Stonio that save the holding call essentially ends the game with the Steelers in victory formation. Then he won the game by passing it to Stonio in the left end zone. But Stonio dropped it. Then he came back and again executed perfectly and for a third time threw the pass that sealed the game.

As far as his stats prior to the final drive. So what of them? Discounting the final drive into the equation would be like discounting the iceberg when discussing the Titanic's voyage. Yeah great trip, outside of that little ice berg thingy.

[st33lersguy]

I doubt he gets another call. Might as well retire at this point. Damn shame too because he could still be starting for the Steelers had he kept his head on straight.

[Lady Steel]

Drugs combined with a me first attitude.

And he should have never been SB MVP. That belonged to Ben. Ben was the guy who moved them down the length of the field for that score. He's the one that scrambled out of certain sacks, found Heath Miller for a crucial long gain, and pumped faked a well covered Stonio open enough to make that catch. A catch that wouldn't have even been necessary if Stonio makes the catch the play before as he should have. Ben has never been a favorite of the national press. Giving that award to Stonio was nothing more than a big FU to Ben from the assembled voting media in attendance.

I agree. I was shocked Ben wasn't named the MVP as I thought it belonged to him, but wasn't unhappy Holmes was. I was just happy we won the Super Bowl! :tt02:

[fansince'76]

I agree. I was shocked Ben wasn't named the MVP as I thought it belonged to him, but wasn't unhappy Holmes was. I was just happy we won the Super Bowl! :tt02:

It was the exact opposite of SB XIV - Bradshaw got the MVP (despite throwing 3 INTs), but Stallworth is the one who actually deserved it.

[zulater]

It was the exact opposite of SB XIV - Bradshaw got the MVP (despite throwing 3 INTs), but Stallworth is the one who actually deserved it.

I thought Lambert should have been that game's MVP. But it was close between he and Stallworth. I thought Lambert's interception was the play that turned the game.

[Craic]

No I don't. Any time it's close it should go to the qb. A WR has one or two guys to beat on any given play. The qb has to account for all 11.The pressure on the qb is greater than anyone else. Also in this game Ben essentially won the game 3 times. First time was on the safety. Because on that play he completed a perfect pass to Stonio that save the holding call essentially ends the game with the Steelers in victory formation. Then he won the game by passing it to Stonio in the left end zone. But Stonio dropped it. Then he came back and again executed perfectly and for a third time threw the pass that sealed the game.

As far as his stats prior to the final drive. So what of them? Discounting the final drive into the equation would be like discounting the iceberg when discussing the Titanic's voyage. Yeah great trip, outside of that little ice berg thingy.

Except, that last drive had been throwing short right passes and Santonio turning them into first downs with plenty of yards after a catch. And, too often around here it's been hammered that one drive doesn't make a game great, or get the coaches off the hook. If not, then the same is true for the QB. Again, I'm not taking anything away from Ben. I don't think Santo makes those catches and runs with most any other QB. But I ALSO don't think Ben makes those throws and gets the first down with most any other WRs, especially those on our roster in that game.

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Drugs combined with a me first attitude.

This, however, is absolutely true. Heck, I can even overlook the second a bit. As long as it doesn't get too out of hand, a team can deal with it and a WR can succeed. But the first probably shortened his career and limited his effectiveness to the fare-thee-well.

[86WARD]

Jaguars or Chiefs could use him.

[polamalubeast]

Chiefs

[86WARD]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000428358/article/santonio-holmes-visits-receiverneedy-chiefs