Goodell backs Rice ban, says NFL is 'consistent'

[polamalubeast]

Roger Goodell defended the NFL's two-game suspension of Ray Rice, saying that domestic violence is "not acceptable" but emphasizing that the length of the ban is "consistent" with other punishments issued by the league.


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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11296028/roger-goodell-defends-suspension-ray-rice-baltimore-ravens-running-back

[X-Terminator]

To borrow an apropos picture from tube517...

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-because-this-is-bullshit.png

[zulater]

And of course Ben gets trashed on various replies on the linked article. :frusty:

[X-Terminator]

1. The majority of people are stupid and ignorant, and the internet is a haven for the stupid and ignorant. Which is why...
2. You should never...EVER...read the comments on ANY story. Especially if it involves the Steelers or Ben. Unless you are a masochist who likes to be punished.

[silver & black]

1. The majority of people are stupid and ignorant, and the internet is a haven for the stupid and ignorant. Which is why...
2. You should never...EVER...read the comments on ANY story. Especially if it involves the Steelers or Ben. Unless you are a masochist who likes to be punished.

Or..... you aren't a Steelers fan and find it entertaining... even if you think it's bullsh*t too. :wink02:

[Chidi29]

For what it's worth, the courts went easy on him. No jail time, no probation. First offense. The NFL really only starts to crack down when there's a repeated offense.

[zulater]

Goodell doubled down on stupidity. I don't care if it was his first offense. Which I doubt it was. Think about it. First time you ever get physically abusive with your spouse is in a public setting? Not likely. My guess he had a certain comfort level knocking her about. It would certainly explain the callous indifference he displayed towards her while dragging her out of the elevator. But regardless, not all first offenses are created equally. The NFL had a chance to make a statement. Well ended up they did, just the wrong one. 90% of the people I've heard discuss this think the league went way too light with the punishment. Did Goodell even seek out the counsel of a single woman before coming to his decision? Give you a god example of Goodell's stupidity on this. They had Rice's wife testify at his hearing while he sat right next to her, at her shoulder! First off it's typical of battered woman to lie to protect their abuser. Second, any chance you might have of her testify in contrary manner about Rice evaporates as long as he's right there in the room with her! :doh:

Look outside of this incident I've got no beef with Rice. :chuckle: I hope this was his first and only incident of abuse. But Goodell is a stupid douche who has no clue as to how stupid the vast majority of people find this ruling. The league needed to send a message. A minimum suspension of 6 games was in order.

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For what it's worth, the courts went easy on him. No jail time, no probation. First offense. The NFL really only starts to crack down when there's a repeated offense.


The court went easy on Ben. Because there was no case. Didn't stop Douchelle from hammering him for 6 games. And I don't want to hear Ben was a repeat offender. Never once arrested let alone convicted.

[Craic]

Goodell doubled down on stupidity. I don't care if it was his first offense. Which I doubt it was. Think about it. First time you ever get physically abusive with your spouse is in a public setting? Not likely. My guess he had a certain comfort level knocking her about. It would certainly explain the callous indifference he displayed towards her while dragging her out of the elevator. But regardless, not all first offenses are created equally. The NFL had a chance to make a statement. Well ended up they did, just the wrong one. 90% of the people I've heard discuss this think the league went way too light with the punishment. Did Goodell even seek out the counsel of a single woman before coming to his decision? Give you a god example of Goodell's stupidity on this. They had Rice's wife testify at his hearing while he sat right next to her, at her shoulder! First off it's typical of battered woman to lie to protect their abuser. Second, any chance you might have of her testify in contrary manner about Rice evaporates as long as he's right there in the room with her! :doh:

Look outside of this incident I've got no beef with Rice. :chuckle: I hope this was his first and only incident of abuse. But Goodell is a stupid douche who has no clue as to how stupid the vast majority of people find this ruling. The league needed to send a message. A minimum suspension of 6 games was in order.

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The court went easy on Ben. Because there was no case. Didn't stop Douchelle from hammering him for 6 games. And I don't want to hear Ben was a repeat offender. Never once arrested let alone convicted.


You continue to confuse Judicial proceedings with public opinion. Goodell, whether you like it or not, is concerned about the latter, rather than the former, because he has a product that he is trying to protect. REPEATED actions, or even repeated SITUATIONS, which Ben was ABSOLUTELY in, is a very big deal.

Think of it this way: it's not trying to prove in a mexican court of law that Chevy Nova's are or are not good cars, it's trying to prove to Mexican people that Nova (which means No go) are good cars. One's legal, ones reputation. Confuse the two, and you'll just keep raising your blood pressure.

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For what it's worth, the courts went easy on him. No jail time, no probation. First offense. The NFL really only starts to crack down when there's a repeated offense.

You're almost right. That last line should read: ...a repeated offense against the league's reputation.

[Count Steeler]

All hail Goodell, the Man, the Marvel, the Magician.

I don't know how he does it, but he is making $20mil + a year. I'm not. Hats off.

[zulater]

You continue to confuse Judicial proceedings with public opinion. Goodell, whether you like it or not, is concerned about the latter, rather than the former, because he has a product that he is trying to protect. REPEATED actions, or even repeated SITUATIONS, which Ben was ABSOLUTELY in, is a very big deal.

Think of it this way: it's not trying to prove in a mexican court of law that Chevy Nova's are or are not good cars, it's trying to prove to Mexican people that Nova (which means No go) are good cars. One's legal, ones reputation. Confuse the two, and you'll just keep raising your blood pressure.

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You're almost right. That last line should read: ...a repeated offense against the league's reputation.

I understand your argument but disagree with it completely. We're a Nation made up of laws. Break a law pay a price. Do so publicly pay a bigger price. Rice broke the law. He knocked out his spouse and showed zero regard for her well being afterwards. This is indisputable.

What law did Ben break? He showed bad judgement? Really? He hired a bus. The girl asked him to come back to her sorority house and he knew better. So he had bathroom sex. Big fucking deal. Usher wrote a popular song dealing with "love in the club". It happens. Think he's the only NFL player to have sex with a coed in an inappropriate setting. Yeah an allegation was made. But not followed up on. And no wonder as her statement never even came close to describing rape. Did Ben restrain her? No. Did he threaten her? No. Did she ever ask him to stop? No. Did she in any way try to push away his advances? No. And don't tell me about her size and claim she couldn't stop his advance. My wife stops mine all the time. You don't have to over power a man to repel his advance. But she never tried. So she regretted her actions after the fact and let her friends shame her into a rape allegation . And Ben loses 4 games and his reputation for life because of asshat Goodell. Yeah fucking support that. :upyours:

[st33lersguy]

If Goofdell is consistent with his punishment, then Ryan Leaf was a good NFL quarterback

[Craic]

I understand your argument but disagree with it completely. We're a Nation made up of laws. Break a law pay a price. Do so publicly pay a bigger price. Rice broke the law. He knocked out his spouse and showed zero regard for her well being afterwards. This is indisputable.

What law did Ben break?

And that is where you go off course. The NFL is NOT the judicial system. They are not bound by the judicial system, either, when making decisions concerning player conduct. They are bound by their own set of ethics, which says that it is worse for a player to put himself in two different situations whereby a woman can claim rape without it being immediately dismissed as implausible, then for someone to bitch-slap their soon-to-be-spouse once and knock her out.

Again, for consistency, the comparison here is James Harrison. Harrison manned up immediately and avoided any lost games. Rice did not, and got a two game ban. Oh . . . and in my line of work, regardless of a "court of law" I would have been fired, IMMEDIATELY. Not just banned for a few Sundays. ONce again, that's because there's a different ethic that goes with the job verses what normal people have with their jobs. And in the same way, there's a different ethic that goes with being a NFL player. Period. The "law" argument means nothing when he wasn't banned for doing something illegal. He was banned, again, for the actions that PUT HIM in that place, that allowed such allegations to twice be leveled without being laughed away.

And trust me, it is VERY easy to live a life where you can remain above such situations.

[ALLD]

The NFL commissioner reminds me of Nancy Pelosi who will say anything to get elected and maintain her grip on power in the Senate regardless of fairness or benefit to the US. She will lie straight into the camera and believe it's the Truth because her reality is whatever she says at the moment.

Goodell was just trying to put it behind Ray. Now I would not force a long suspension on a player into a new marriage. I thought it should have been 3 or 4 games, but can understand 2 because he married the bitch and will pay everyday. However, I would not call it consistent and come up with some other truthful justification.

[Chidi29]

Let's assume the Roethlisberger suspension was a mistake. A gross overreaction. Which, personally, I readily admit that I believe it was.

Why would we use that as the standard? Is making the same mistake again worth it? Is there no way Roger Goodell could ever rectify his mistake? Does he have to punish everyone way too harshly because he screwed things up once? It doesn't seem very fair that he doesn't get to atone for his mistake.

[Count Steeler]

Let's assume the Roethlisberger suspension was a mistake. A gross overreaction. Which, personally, I readily admit that I believe it was.

Why would we use that as the standard? Is making the same mistake again worth it? Is there no way Roger Goodell could ever rectify his mistake? Does he have to punish everyone way too harshly because he screwed things up once? It doesn't seem very fair that he doesn't get to atone for his mistake.

I'd be fine with that. IF he apologized to Ben, in public.

Accusations are front page headlines. Acquitals MAY see the back page. If he has had an epiphany, than he owes Ben a public apology during the Super Bowl so that most fans will hear it.

Otherwise he is still in error.

[fansince'76]

Let's assume the Roethlisberger suspension was a mistake. A gross overreaction. Which, personally, I readily admit that I believe it was.

Why would we use that as the standard? Is making the same mistake again worth it? Is there no way Roger Goodell could ever rectify his mistake? Does he have to punish everyone way too harshly because he screwed things up once? It doesn't seem very fair that he doesn't get to atone for his mistake.

How about not continuing to pile on MONTHS after the suspension was already served, for starters?

As far as I am personally concerned, Goodell lost the benefit of the doubt during Super Bowl week leading up to SB XLV when he took yet another potshot at Roethlisberger while simultaneously jizzing himself over how "swell" it would be for Michael Vick to be able to win Super Bowl MVP.

[Count Steeler]

How about not continuing to pile on MONTHS after the suspension was already served, for starters?

As far as I am personally concerned, Goodell lost the benefit of the doubt during Super Bowl week leading up to SB XLV when he took yet another potshot at Roethlisberger while simultaneously jizzing himself over how "swell" it would be for Michael Vick to be able to win Super Bowl MVP.

That's right. I forgot about that. Goodell is all class!

[Craic]

How about not continuing to pile on MONTHS after the suspension was already served, for starters?

As far as I am personally concerned, Goodell lost the benefit of the doubt during Super Bowl week leading up to SB XLV when he took yet another potshot at Roethlisberger while simultaneously jizzing himself over how "swell" it would be for Michael Vick to be able to win Super Bowl MVP.

Of everything I've read or seen on this board concerning Goodell, this is one of the first posts that I can absolutely agree with. It was a classless move. Of course, part of that was Peter King's fault for misreporting the actual quote:


Super Bowl week kicked off Monday morning with a report by SI.com's Peter King in which he said that Goodell told him that Steelers players did not defend their quarterback during last year's scandal over an alleged sexual assault by Roethlisberger.King later clarified the report, saying that Goodell was not talking about teammates of Roethlisberger, but rather players from other teams that he had spoken with. King also reportedly apologized to Steelers president Art Rooney II and head coach Mike Tomlin for the error.
"It's always unfortunate when something gets misreported and the facts are not clear," Goodell told USA Today during a telephone interview.
"I think Ben's committed to making the right decisions. He's doing a tremendous job of focusing on football and trying to win the Super Bowl, and I think the fans of the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team/pittsburgh-steelers/67067)appreciate that."

But, nevertheless, there was no need to even bring it up at that point. Let it go.

[st33lersguy]

If the NFL is consistent, then I can cover Calvin Johnson. If the NFL is consistent, then my mother can block JJ Watt

[zulater]

How about Terrell Pryor for a comparison then. 5 games for trading his personal belongings for tats while in college. Yeah way worse than cold cocking your lady in the elevator. :sarcasm:

[zulater]

Let's assume the Roethlisberger suspension was a mistake. A gross overreaction. Which, personally, I readily admit that I believe it was.

Why would we use that as the standard? Is making the same mistake again worth it? Is there no way Roger Goodell could ever rectify his mistake? Does he have to punish everyone way too harshly because he screwed things up once? It doesn't seem very fair that he doesn't get to atone for his mistake.

I don't think 6 games would be too harsh for knocking your fiance out cold in a public elevator then callously dragging her out like she was a sack of potatoes for all the world to see.

[Chidi29]

I don't think 6 games would be too harsh for knocking your fiance out cold in a public elevator then callously dragging her out like she was a sack of potatoes for all the world to see.

It goes back to the court system. Courts were very lenient on Rice. No jail, no probation. Why the NFL went easy.

[Aussie_steeler]

Below you will find the only reference to commissioner discipline for non-playing matters.


ARTICLE 46 COMMISSIONER DISCIPLINE
Section 1.

League Discipline: Notwithstanding anything stated in Article 43:

(a) All disputes involving a fine or suspension imposed upon a player for conduct on the playing field (other than as described in Subsection (b) below) or involving action taken against a player by the Commissioner for conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football, will be processed exclusively as follows: the Commissioner will promptly send written notice of his action to the player, with a copy to the NFLPA. Within three (3) business days following such written notification, the player affected thereby, or the NFLPA with the player’s approval, may appeal in writing to the Commissioner


In a 316 page document negotiated between the two key parties in 2011 it was deemed that a Pandora's box approach was suitable. All parties signed off so now they only have themselves to blame.

This is what happens when your sole motivation in negotiation is Financial victory. The other issues are neglected or overlooked.


Roger Goodell does not have to use court decision to hide behind.

Roger Goodell has absolute AUTONOMY to do whatever he wants.

Roger Goodell gave the punishment he wanted and picked the side of the fence he wants to stand on.

End of story.

[zulater]

It goes back to the court system. Courts were very lenient on Rice. No jail, no probation. Why the NFL went easy.



So what did the courts do to Pyror? Uh, nothing, because he didn't commit a crime except in the NCAA and Goodell's mind.

[Chidi29]

So what did the courts do to Pyror? Uh, nothing, because he didn't commit a crime except in the NCAA and Goodell's mind.

Any job comes with its certain rules. Things you can/can't do. Know what you're getting into when you sign up. So that's a special exception when we're not talking about something illegal in the eyes of the police but within the NCAA's own rules.

[zulater]

Any job comes with its certain rules. Things you can/can't do. Know what you're getting into when you sign up. So that's a special exception when we're not talking about something illegal in the eyes of the police but within the NCAA's own rules.


So how come Pete Carroll was able to come to the NFL without sanction?

Goodell makes it up as he goes along. That's what I hate about him.

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Below you will find the only reference to commissioner discipline for non-playing matters.



In a 316 page document negotiated between the two key parties in 2011 it was deemed that a Pandora's box approach was suitable. All parties signed off so now they only have themselves to blame.

This is what happens when your sole motivation in negotiation is Financial victory. The other issues are neglected or overlooked.


Roger Goodell does not have to use court decision to hide behind.

Roger Goodell has absolute AUTONOMY to do whatever he wants.

Roger Goodell gave the punishment he wanted and picked the side of the fence he wants to stand on.

End of story.

Actually the Steelers are the one team that didn't sign off on it. They alone voted against the CBA strictly for the reason that they thought it gave Goodell too much power.

So the Steelers players have every right to call out Goodell. And by extension so do Steeler fans. :lol:

[Aussie_steeler]

Sorry, I meant all parties to equal the NFLPA and Owners.

I realise it wasn't a unanimous vote and the steelers stood firm.

Those with disdain get banished to the saltmines and gulags.

Don't get me wrong. I despise Goodell for his dictator like approach. I am not a supporter in any way or form.

The steelers could see the holes in the CBA and the ultimate outcome for giving Goodell total control.

I am just resigned to the fact that this regime will do want they want, for as long as they want. It will only be ousted when it starts losing money and pride of place in the market.

I don't see that happening due to the passion fans have for watching the game and their ability to continue to consume Goodells product.

[zulater]

Looks like those of us who said Goodell got it wrong have been proven right. Better late than never.

[steelreserve]

Looks like those of us who said Goodell got it wrong have been proven right. Better late than never.


Wait a minute, though. Goodell says he was wrong ... but what he says is usually wrong ... so he's probably wrong right now ... which would mean he was originally ... right?

We may have stumbled into a logical paradox. Keep an eye out for time travelers and exploding cats.

[ALLD]

Would be ironic if Rice went O.J. on his wife and in full jihad cut her head off. That would definitely be worth a 6 game suspension IMHO.

[tube517]

Oh but goodhell never has a knee jerk reaction . He is so proactive....... :coffee:

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