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Shoes
02-27-2014, 09:12 PM
Good old Ziggy...


117. Defensive lineman Ziggy Hood -- Failed 2009 first-round pick. Has graded negatively in PFF ratings four straight seasons. Just turned 27. May generate some interest based on name value.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/free-agent-top-150-021900389--nfl.html

Steeltreal
02-28-2014, 12:58 AM
What is it with PFF. Stats dont tell the story if your coaches are happy with you following your assignment.

GBMelBlount
02-28-2014, 08:27 AM
You were right!

Here is his PFCF (Pro Football Coaches Focus) Rating:

1. Ziggy Hood

Steeltreal
02-28-2014, 10:58 AM
You were right!

Here is his PFCF (Pro Football Coaches Focus) Rating:

1. Ziggy HoodHaha lol

steelreserve
02-28-2014, 11:03 AM
What is it with PFF. Stats dont tell the story if your coaches are happy with you following your assignment.


Was his assignment to get shoved around and taken out of the play 90% of the time? If so, he did a great job at that.

In fact, it seems to have been a core element of our defensive line strategy for the past 2-3 years. Give that man a raise!

NCSteeler
02-28-2014, 11:18 AM
18. Outside linebacker Jason Worilds -- Turns 26 in March. Registered 1.58-second ten-yard split at 2010 Combine, best among pass rushers. Started career slow but broke out for 8.0 sacks and two forced fumbles as 11-game starter in '13. Steelers have seemingly made re-signing Worilds a priority, with rumors suggesting they'd release LaMarr Woodley to create enough salary cap room.


Good as gone. We can't afford to over pay him like a lot of teams will

steelreserve
02-28-2014, 12:30 PM
18. Outside linebacker Jason Worilds -- Turns 26 in March. Registered 1.58-second ten-yard split at 2010 Combine, best among pass rushers. Started career slow but broke out for 8.0 sacks and two forced fumbles as 11-game starter in '13. Steelers have seemingly made re-signing Worilds a priority, with rumors suggesting they'd release LaMarr Woodley to create enough salary cap room.


Good as gone. We can't afford to over pay him like a lot of teams will


I agree. We're all sitting here saying yeah, let's re-sign him, $7M or $8M a year is steep but we could manage. But ... this is free agency. If his market value is $7M, someone will offer him $11M. The winning bidder for players in Worilds' position is not the team that offers a contract paying him like he MIGHT become a star - it's the team that offers a contract paying him like he's already the best pass rusher in the league and then hopes he lives up to it. Shoot first, ask questions later; that's how this game is played, and why big-name free agency is a such a huge risk.

It's not Worilds' fault, and you can hardly blame him for taking what is sure to be a blockbuster offer. But when the inevitable 5-year, $55 million offer comes up, we'll all realize we were kidding ourselves.

I could be wrong, of course; maybe the guy really does want to stay here and would do whatever it takes to get a deal done with us. Since I haven't heard anything about that, though, this is how I would expect it to play out otherwise.

Shoes
02-28-2014, 02:00 PM
While Worilds did well the last half season, I don't think it will continue. Something just doesn't ring true with me on this guy.

steelreserve
02-28-2014, 04:11 PM
While Worilds did well the last half season, I don't think it will continue. Something just doesn't ring true with me on this guy.


That's the other part to it. I am not sold at all on the idea that he'll always play up to that level. Half a season is a real small sample size. Especially after three and a half seasons of being nearly invisible. It has trap written all over it. I hope we've learned our lesson from The Contract - if the bidding gets to the $10M a year range, walk away. We do not need a Woodley II. Even if Woodley was playing well, it would nowhere come even close to justifying the total shitfuck that came about as a result of that deal.

Psycho Ward 86
02-28-2014, 05:35 PM
great. its sounding more and more like we'll be stuck with woodley for a couple more.

Shoes
02-28-2014, 08:16 PM
What is it with PFF. Stats dont tell the story if your coaches are happy with you following your assignment.


Here's the Ziggy Hood story. I'm looking forward to the 2014 edition. Really scary stuff.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq53TKUWxNQ



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_Iz40cqCJE

Psycho Ward 86
02-28-2014, 09:43 PM
great. its sounding more and more like we'll be stuck with woodley for a couple more.

is that what you thought about keenan lewis?

blackngldblood
03-01-2014, 02:09 AM
That's the other part to it. I am not sold at all on the idea that he'll always play up to that level. Half a season is a real small sample size. Especially after three and a half seasons of being nearly invisible. It has trap written all over it. I hope we've learned our lesson from The Contract - if the bidding gets to the $10M a year range, walk away. We do not need a Woodley II. Even if Woodley was playing well, it would nowhere come even close to justifying the total shitfuck that came about as a result of that deal.

The thing with me on thinking it is a necessary in getting Worilds signed is you can't say it takes time to learn and play in LeBeaus system and then when he gets his shot and plays well, maybe even the best on the defensive side of the ball, you say it's a flash in the pan. That's not fair to any of these young men. And I would take a 7 million dollar risk on him rather than stand pat with the guy you know is going to blow out a hammy five games into the season. Remember, draft well cut ties with veterans and sign your own players. It's been a formula for success in the past, but now the young talent walks every spring.

I can't start getting excited about guys like Heyward if in the back of my mind the voice says he'll be gone next year.


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steelreserve
03-01-2014, 02:30 PM
The thing with me on thinking it is a necessary in getting Worilds signed is you can't say it takes time to learn and play in LeBeaus system and then when he gets his shot and plays well, maybe even the best on the defensive side of the ball, you say it's a flash in the pan. That's not fair to any of these young men. And I would take a 7 million dollar risk on him rather than stand pat with the guy you know is going to blow out a hammy five games into the season. Remember, draft well cut ties with veterans and sign your own players. It's been a formula for success in the past, but now the young talent walks every spring.

I'd take a $7 million risk on him too. It's better than the $7 million we'd be paying Woodley.

Problem is, it's not going to be a $7 million risk. It's going to be anywhere between $10-14M depending on how crazy other teams go with their new cap space. Then it's not even a matter of taking a risk, it's a simple matter of can't afford.

Woodley should be gone regardless. Even if it means we have no proven option at OLB on that side and have to start a rookie or a journeyman. That contract is a turd that needs to be flushed NOW.

blackngldblood
03-01-2014, 02:32 PM
I'd take a $7 million risk on him too. It's better than the $7 million we'd be paying Woodley.

Problem is, it's not going to be a $7 million risk. It's going to be anywhere between $10-14M depending on how crazy other teams go with their new cap space. Then it's not even a matter of taking a risk, it's a simple matter of can't afford.

Woodley should be gone regardless. Even if it means we have no proven option at OLB on that side and have to start a rookie or a journeyman. That contract is a turd that needs to be flushed NOW.

You are right about the 10 million option. I am holding all hope that teams aren't willing to pay that much over his market value.


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steelreserve
03-01-2014, 04:55 PM
Someone will offer that much. This is a thin year for pass rushing linebackers, so he's either the #1 or #1A guy on the market. Multiply that by the number of teams who are convinced that one pass rusher is all they need to put them over the top, combine it with a shitload of sudden extra cap space, and it's almost a 100% probability that's what happens. Unless he decides to re-up with us before he hits the market, which - given his fortunate situation - I'd say is pretty slim.

Tangentially, one other thing that's unfortunate is that free agency starts right on the heels of one of the most miserable East Coast winters in recent memory. That probably will not help things when Miami or Tampa or San Diego comes calling.

Psycho Ward 86
03-02-2014, 12:58 AM
even worse, brian orakpo might get tagged: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330156/article/free-agency-primer-top-10-linebackers

if that happens, we are officially royally fucked

steelreserve
03-02-2014, 10:10 PM
I think we're equally fucked whether Worilds is considered the #1 free agent pass rusher or the #2 free agent pass rusher. I haven't heard anyone anywhere say he's any lower than that.

Basically, free agency starts on March 11 at 4 p.m. EST ... I'd expect it'll take until roughly 5 p.m. EST to find out he's signed a big-money deal with another team.

Aussie_steeler
03-03-2014, 03:48 AM
You guys place way too much stock in Pro football Focus.

Yes they collate stats.

Yes stats are good.

However stats can paint any picture you want them to.



Do you have any idea who the analysts behind PFF are?


Based in the UK, PFF was founded by Neil Hornsby. Dissatisfied with some limitations of standard statistics, Hornsby began grading players in 2004. The staff gradually expanded over next few years, and the site was launched in 2007. The 2008 season is the first season for which PFF has complete data. As of the 2011 season, PFF provides customized data to five NFL teams, along with a number of agents, media and NFL players

They probably even describe themselves better on their website.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/history/
(https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/history/)

A couple of poms who have grown a hobby.
Statisticians who collate data and on sell it.

Theres hope for all of us to become "Football Experts"

Dwinsgames
03-03-2014, 10:35 AM
You guys place way too much stock in Pro football Focus.

Yes they collate stats.

Yes stats are good.

However stats can paint any picture you want them to.



Do you have any idea who the analysts behind PFF are?



They probably even describe themselves better on their website.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/history/
(https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/history/)

A couple of poms who have grown a hobby.
Statisticians who collate data and on sell it.

Theres hope for all of us to become "Football Experts"


110% agree with Aussie on this one , and to help verify what he said in bold , here ....

this is TODAY on twitter ...


Steve Palazzolo ‏@StevePalazzolo (https://twitter.com/StevePalazzolo) 51m (https://twitter.com/StevePalazzolo/status/440512433795629056) RT @PFF (https://twitter.com/PFF): Interested in joining the Pro Football Focus team? Well here's your chance https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/03/03/join-the-pff-team/ … (https://t.co/OLlbIc8nSn)