Salary Cap increasing to $130 Million

[katmandu]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326792/article/nfl-salary-cap-expected-to-increase-to-about-130-m

[steelreserve]

... at the same time, a new league bylaw placed the Steelers at $20 million over the cap to start the season regardless of their previous cap position, as a result of the Mike Tomlin sideline incident. NFL spokesman Michael Signora said the league is looking into making the $20 million penalty permanent.

In related news, the league confirmed that the Patriots' salary cap exemption has been extended through 2017. 31 teams voted in favor of the move, with the Steelers the lone holdout.


That seems more like it.

[Psycho Ward 86]

this will help us big time. ill be damned if we dont get worilds under contract now

[Dwinsgames]

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt (https://twitter.com/adbrandt) 8m (https://twitter.com/adbrandt/status/436565280471670784) Translation: "Chill, agents." RT @TomPelissero (https://twitter.com/TomPelissero): Spielman expects the cap under $130M. "It's not a significant increase."

[fansince'76]

Andrew Brandt ‏@adbrandt (https://twitter.com/adbrandt)8m (https://twitter.com/adbrandt/status/436565280471670784) Translation: "Chill, agents." RT @TomPelissero (https://twitter.com/TomPelissero): Spielman expects the cap under $130M. "It's not a significant increase."

Yep, it's really not, considering the cap right now is at the same level ($123 million) that it was in 2009. And it's STILL a lower increase, percentage-wise, than other recent increases before the uncapped year and the new CBA came into play.

Assuming a 5% annual increase between 2009-13, the salary cap should have been at around the $148 million level heading into 2013. The league really isn't doing anyone any favors here. By my reckoning, the cap is still a good $20 million+ behind where it should be. I'm surprised the NFLPA isn't all over this, especially considering how much Goodell's salary has increased over the same period.

2003 - $75.007 million
2004 - $80.582 million - 7.4% increase
2005 - $85.5 million - 6.1% increase
2006 - $102 million - 19.3% increase (New TV contract year)
2007 - $109 million - 6.8% increase
2008 - $116 million - 6.4% increase
2009 - $123 million - 6.03% increase
2010 - uncapped
2011 - $120 million
2012 - $120.6 million
2013 - $123 million

[Dwinsgames]

the problem is the cap can not go up without raising prices elsewhere to off set it and with so many Americans unemployed or under employed its a tough undertaking without seeing the effect at the gates , if the gate is affected so is parking so is vendor sales , so is jobs at the stadiums and at that point we are completing the circle back to unemployment /under employment ... the only thing that helps offset all this is TV deals and that is why we are seeing some movement with the cap this year

[fansince'76]

the problem is the cap can not go up without raising prices elsewhere to off set it and with so many Americans unemployed or under employed its a tough undertaking without seeing the effect at the gates , if the gate is affected so is parking so is vendor sales , so is jobs at the stadiums and at that point we are completing the circle back to unemployment /under employment ... the only thing that helps offset all this is TV deals and that is why we are seeing some movement with the cap this year

The NFL's real revenue is in the TV contracts. Everything else is gravy, including gate receipts, merchandising and all the rest.


National Football League owners voted to approve $27.9 billion of TV deals with Fox, CBS and NBC on Wednesday, confirming pro football as the driving force in an industry facing fundamental change.

As expected, the networks will pay 63% more on average to air NFL games from 2014 to 2022.

NFL: The League That Runs TV (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204026804577098774037075832)

The NFL isn't going to be hurting for cash anytime soon. But you're right, they'll use any salary cap increase as an excuse to hike prices and gouge people even more at the stadium anyway. Between that, the airport-level security checks and 60-inch HDTVs, there's a reason overall attendance is down and has steadily declined since 2007 (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/08/after-peaking-in-2007-nfl-attendance-steadily-has-declined/).

[Dwinsgames]

63% increase ???? :jawdrop2:

someone other than Rodger is getting Uber rich

[Dwinsgames]

Dale Lolley ‏@dlolleyor (https://twitter.com/dlolleyor) 1m (https://twitter.com/dlolleyor/status/436592200638799872) It's now looking like the salary cap for 2014 will be $130 million. Had been estimated at $126.3 million. Good news for #Steelers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Steelers&src=hash)

[KeiselPower99]

Lets get the 6 million off the books by cutting Levi Brown now.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Lets get the 6 million off the books by cutting Levi Brown now.

and ike taylor, david paulson, along with woodley as a june 1st cut designation. Boom. $17.6 million in cap savings, and already ~$7.6 million in cap space. Maybe think about cutting Larry Foote to get a little over a million more off the books.

[steelreserve]

Between that, the airport-level security checks and 60-inch HDTVs, there's a reason overall attendance is down and has steadily declined since 2007 (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/08/after-peaking-in-2007-nfl-attendance-steadily-has-declined/).

The experience of going to a pro football game has definitely been getting less and less enjoyable at the same time as more and more expensive ... it's almost as if they are trying to test exactly how much bullshit fans will put up with before it becomes too much trouble to be worth it.

That said, you can probably chalk about half the decline up to Raiders fans and Jaguars fans who have finally had enough. Not uncommon to find 20,000 empty seats at either stadium, but they still claim sellouts by tarping off huge sections of seats. The Raiders finally tarped off Mount Davis (http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Raiders-will-tarp-top-of-Mount-Davis-4258267.php) last season, basically rendering the whole reason for building it (and ruining the stadium, thereby driving the A's out of town) completely pointless. The difficulty of actually going to a game in person probably contributes a lot to that, though. Why put up with all the bullshit for a team that's not only losing but completely unexciting to watch?

[X-Terminator]

You can throw Bills fans in there as well. Last time they made the playoffs, Bill Clinton was showing the world another use for a good Cuban stogie.

[Shoes]

You can throw Bills fans in there as well. Last time they made the playoffs, Bill Clinton was showing the world another use for a good Cuban stogie.


:chuckle:

[LLT]

The NFL's real revenue is in the TV contracts. Everything else is gravy, including gate receipts, merchandising and all the rest.



NFL: The League That Runs TV (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204026804577098774037075832)

The NFL isn't going to be hurting for cash anytime soon. But you're right, they'll use any salary cap increase as an excuse to hike prices and gouge people even more at the stadium anyway. Between that, the airport-level security checks and 60-inch HDTVs, there's a reason overall attendance is down and has steadily declined since 2007 (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/08/after-peaking-in-2007-nfl-attendance-steadily-has-declined/).

Hmmmmm....something else happened in 2007 that disenfranchised fans. What was that...??? Right on the tip of my tongue...???

[Craic]

Hmmmmm....something else happened in 2007 that disenfranchised fans. What was that...??? Right on the tip of my tongue...???

Tom Brady came out of the closet ? ? ?

[Dwinsgames]

if reports are true total is misleading the cap increase will be about half of what it makes it seem

[NCSteeler]

The 63% increase in the Tv contracts still gets pushed down to consumers who have cable/sat.

Say what you will about declining attendance. If I was in close proximity to Heinz field and COULD GET face value tickets, I'd happily be there almost every week. My TV is no replacement for the excitement and atmosphere at Heinz. I still think that face value tickets are not a bad price at most stadiums, problem being a Steelers fan, we rarely see FV tickets

[MrPgh]

John Clayton is now saying the cap might go up to $132 million.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/02/john-clayton-says-2014-salary-cap-now-projected-to-rise-to-132-million/

[X-Terminator]

My guess is that they will split the difference, and it only goes up to around $127 million or so.

[Psycho Ward 86]

and ike taylor, david paulson, along with woodley as a june 1st cut designation. Boom. $17.6 million in cap savings, and already ~$7.6 million in cap space. Maybe think about cutting Larry Foote to get a little over a million more off the books.

if john clayton from ESPN is right about the cap being $132 million, if we take these steps we have almost $10 million in cap space. Zero excuses to not sign worilds. Backload that contract like we do anyways, extend big ben and heath miller's contract to free up even more space, resign al woods, jerricho cotchery, and fernando velasco at the very least, and we can still be decent players in free agency WITHOUT restructuring. Dear god, please do not restructure like we did over the past few years again.

i dont see why restructuring is necessary at all

[fansince'76]

John Clayton is now saying the cap might go up to $132 million.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/02/john-clayton-says-2014-salary-cap-now-projected-to-rise-to-132-million/

Figures. I'm so tired of bullshit media speculation.

[Dwinsgames]

Figures. I'm so tired of bullshit media speculation.

all these " insiders " full of shit people if ya ask me ...

take half a dozen balloons and mark a number down on each with a sharpie .... swallow them and see which one you pass first ... as good a chance of being right as they are

[Dwinsgames]

02-22-2014 09:27 PM was last post in this thread ( 2 damn days ago ) posting this just to give ya'lls finger some exercise and reintroducing entering a thread , maybe then someone will post something with this little refresher course LOL

[steelreserve]

When do they actually announce the salary cap instead of speculating on it? Free agency starts in a week or two. It seems pretty irresponsible to let it go that close without any actual guidance; teams in our position are going to have like 16 different backup plans depending on what the league decides to announce. Super weak.

[Dwinsgames]

a damn good question I have been unable to find an answer to

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March 11 is the start of the " new league year " but teams should know prior to that date to be in compliance ..just can not find a date relitive to teams knowing for sure what the cap number for new league year will be

[Bluecoat96]

Back when the owners were told that the salary cap would climb from $123 million in 2013 to $126.3 million in 2014, a source with knowledge of the cap calculation said it will be higher (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/12/source-cap-could-exceed-127-5-million/).Now that reports have put the salary cap as high as $132 million for 2014, the same source has said, once again, it will be higher.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/25/source-cap-will-be-higher-than-132-million/

Translation: We have no fucking clue what the cap will be.

[Mojouw]

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/25/source-cap-will-be-higher-than-132-million/

Translation: We have no fucking clue what the cap will be.

Also from the above referenced article -- "Regardless, the cap could be increasing by similar amounts in the future. Per the source, the 2014 bump is expected to become the trend in future years."

So this sounds like a bunch of good news for the Steelers. With a few strokes of the pen, majority of the cap troubles go away and what remains can readily be cleaned up.

If these reports are correct, the entire issue can be boiled down to Worilds and Woodley, the rest is window dressing.

[MrPgh]

I find it funny that the NHL knows roughly what its cap will be over the next two years but the NFL doesn't know what it's cap will be two weeks before free agency starts.

[Mojouw]

I find it funny that the NHL knows roughly what its cap will be over the next two years but the NFL doesn't know what it's cap will be two weeks before free agency starts.

Yeah. The NFLPA has to be about the worst union in pro sports. It seems to rarely be able to get the best result for its members.

[Psycho Ward 86]

if it really is $135 million, the raiders will have over $75 million in cap space :jawdrop2:. Reggie mckenzie can make the raiders dangerous with that kind of money

[MrPgh]

if it really is $135 million, the raiders will have over $75 million in cap space :jawdrop2:. Reggie mckenzie can make the raiders dangerous with that kind of money

Or in typical Raider fashion they can completely fuck it up (except when they play the Steelers).

[Psycho Ward 86]

Or in typical Raider fashion they can completely fuck it up (except when they play the Steelers).

maybe due to poor coaching, but not due to reggie mckenzie

[X-Terminator]

I find it funny that the NHL knows roughly what its cap will be over the next two years but the NFL doesn't know what it's cap will be two weeks before free agency starts.

Yep.

NHL: ~$70.3 million
NFL: LOL WUT?

I expect nothing less with Goodell and the NFLPA's absentee "director" running the show. What's that guy's name again? Haven't heard from him in 2 years.

[steelreserve]

if it really is $135 million, the raiders will have over $75 million in cap space :jawdrop2:. Reggie mckenzie can make the raiders dangerous with that kind of money

Don't worry. They'd probably spend it it all giving a 2-year, $150M contract to that guy from Kent State who ran a 4.2 in the 40-yard dash.

[Dwinsgames]

Don't worry. They'd probably spend it it all giving a 2-year, $150M contract to that guy from Kent State who ran a 4.2 in the 40-yard dash.

I wouldnt wish that on Archer ( heck of a football player by the way )

[MrPgh]

NFL source saying that the cap will be at $133 million.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/27/source-cap-will-be-133-million-per-team/

[steelreserve]

Hell, I'm saying it will be $140 million. Sounds as good as anything.

Anybody? Do I hear 140? Going once ... going twice ...

[fansince'76]

I find it funny that the NHL knows roughly what its cap will be over the next two years but the NFL doesn't know what it's cap will be two weeks before free agency starts.

Yep.

NHL: ~$70.3 million
NFL: LOL WUT?

I expect nothing less with Goodell and the NFLPA's absentee "director" running the show. What's that guy's name again? Haven't heard from him in 2 years.

Pretty much. Just more proof that the NFL is flourishing in spite of Goodell, not because of him.

[Dwinsgames]

NFL Media's Albert Breer reported Thursday (https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/439203325498888192) the cap is expected to be set at $133 million, according to union and team sources. The official number could come as soon as Friday, according to Breer.

[st33lersguy]

Hopefully, they use the extra money to re-sign Worilds

[steelreserve]

Hopefully, they use the extra money to re-sign Worilds

Sounds easy, right? The cap goes up -- yay, we have $10M to spend. Other teams have that $10M plus the $30M they were already sitting on. Who's going to win that fight in a bidding war?

There's going to be about a third of a billion dollars in extra money to spend on free agents this offseason, and unless you want to blow $12M a year on a left tackle, it's not an especially big-name free agent class once you remove the guys whose contracts are up but are no way, nohow changing teams. I would expect every, every eligible free agent to "test the market" and see what kind of ridiculous money people throw at them. Especially at positions like OLB that are thin this year. I guarantee you someone offers him an eight-figure salary. If he's lucky, he might even get $14M straight up, which would make the Woodley deal look cheap.

From what I can gather, we were sitting at about $131M at the end of the season and haven't done much to alter that, so a cap of $133M means we just barely get our heads above water. We've got $2M in space out of probably half a billion leaguewide. That means other teams get to go on a spending bonanza, while we dump salary and restructure contracts just to keep our own guys, if they'll stay.

[lilyoder6]

From what I can gather, we were sitting at about $131M at the end of the season and haven't done much to alter that, so a cap of $133M means we just barely get our heads above water. We've got $2M in space out of probably half a billion leaguewide. That means other teams get to go on a spending bonanza, while we dump salary and restructure contracts just to keep our own guys, if they'll stay.

we are actually sitting at 140ish mill.. so we still have some work to get under the cap and enough cap to sign draft picks and try to play in FA

[Psycho Ward 86]

see my previous post on how we can save $17.6 million immediately with guys that are likely to be cut anyways. We have no excuse to not be able to resign worilds now unless he gets offered a deal worth over $8 million a year. Or if we are content to create another keenan lewis situation.

[Spike]

cut cut cut


spend spend spend

[Dwinsgames]

cap set at 133 million in 2014 , 2015 rumored to be nearly 145 million

[Mojouw]

Let the restructuring begin.

[steelreserve]

we are actually sitting at 140ish mill.. so we still have some work to get under the cap and enough cap to sign draft picks and try to play in FA

That's with the contract of Levi Brown, who no one expects to be back. I could be a couple million off on the rest, but the point is we don't have a hell of a lot of spare cash even with the cap increase.

So - sigh - more restructuring. But the only guys who that would work for this year would be Brown and Timmons. I guess they could also do Woodley, but with the damage it would do next year, it would be better to shoot ourselves in the head.

[katmandu]

2015 rumored to be nearly 145 millionHoly shit!

[lilyoder6]

That's with the contract of Levi Brown, who no one expects to be back. I could be a couple million off on the rest, but the point is we don't have a hell of a lot of spare cash even with the cap increase.

So - sigh - more restructuring. But the only guys who that would work for this year would be Brown and Timmons. I guess they could also do Woodley, but with the damage it would do next year, it would be better to shoot ourselves in the head.

I believe that I read somewhere that we are like 5.7 mill over the cap at 133 and cutting brown "which alone would put us under the cap" and re-structuring a.b and Timmons would clear bout 14 mill in space. figure that 8 mill would be designated for sign our draft picks. still would need $$ to dabble in FA.. so give ben and heath extensions to clear more $ and then deal with the elephant in the room with ike and troy's contract. their is $ to have to actually go after some fa's and/or be nice to do some clever maneuvering to afford restructuring either a.b or Timmons contract.. but then again they could try playing Russian roulette and believe that the cap is gonna be 145 mill nxt yr and push more $ back/ new deals for Timmons and a.b

[86WARD]

63 contracts. $140,100,516