FA In for a Visit

[Dwinsgames]

may be a good sticky with the FA period opening up to track who we take looks at and give free steak dinners to ....



ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk (https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk) 2m (https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/435497067587174400) Former Lions safety Louis Delmas is visiting the Steelers today, per league source.

[Mojouw]

Well they must plan on freeing up some cash from somewhere.

I imagine we will be starting a companion thread of "Overpaid Veterans the Steelers Cut" soon enough.

[Dwinsgames]

Well they must plan on freeing up some cash from somewhere.

I imagine we will be starting a companion thread of "Overpaid Veterans the Steelers Cut" soon enough.

or a new contract for Ben moving money to the backend of a new deal and signing bonus with 2014 salary being LOW LOW LOW ?

[Bluecoat96]

On Sunday October 6, 2013, Lion's Center Dominic Raiola was involved in an incident of trash-talking and hate-speech to members of the UW-Wisconsin marching band. Louis Delmas is credited with both apologizing for his teammate's actions and having a word with Raiola off the field.

As a band director myself, I say sign him!

In all seriousness though, he sounds like a high quality guy. Why was he released from the Lions? Injury concerns?

[Dwinsgames]

As a band director myself, I say sign him!

In all seriousness though, he sounds like a high quality guy. Why was he released from the Lions? Injury concerns?

looks like a combination of bad knees and 6.5 million in salary .... link to story below be your own judge

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/116786/delmas-release-makes-sense-for-lions

[Bluecoat96]

looks like a combination of bad knees and 6.5 million in salary .... link to story below be your own judge

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/116786/delmas-release-makes-sense-for-lions

Sounds like you're right. Damn....

[Psycho Ward 86]

sounds like a potential starter, or an expensive back up. i hope this isnt a vote of no confidence for shamarko

[LLT]

sounds like a potential starter, or an expensive back up. i hope this isnt a vote of no confidence for shamarko

I think its probably just another sign that Clark is gone and they are looking for the best DB corp that they can get within a certain price range. If they can land Delmas, it "possibly" allows us another year to season Shamarko (which is optimal) and we wont have to draft a safety this year. If not, they will start Shamarko and use Allen and a draft prospect as backups.

[Dwinsgames]

like the player , fear the knees ....

[steelreserve]

Looks to me like a guy who is going to have to sign a cheap one-year or two-year deal somewhere to prove himself again, which works in our favor. And his description sounds a little like Ryan Clark five years ago.

Question is, where would he fit on our roster? I don't think a guy in that position would want a backup job if there was anything else available, so my guess is he'd be a 1-for-1 replacement for Clark at about the same salary, and Sharko would stay on as the top backup/eventual Troy successor. That's realistically the only way it could work.

Who knows, though. Maybe we do get lucky this offseason and find a Clark-type signing, whether it's this guy or someone else. At the very least, it would be really nice to not have to worry about drafting a safety for a couple years while we replenish other positions.

[Heinz Hitman]

I would be all for this signing. He would play alongside Troy with Sharknado being Troy's eventual replacement. In Detroit he kind of played both FS and SS, so should be good to do either.

[Steelerette]

FA visits like this one give me the sense that they know what they're doing.

But then I remember Sean Mahan.

[Dwinsgames]

FA visits like this one give me the sense that they know what they're doing.

But then I remember Sean Mahan.

Jay Reimersma ( sp )

Wolford ..
and may many more forgotten nightmares

[st33lersguy]

Looks too expensive for a guy with injury issues. Rather save that money to re-sign Worilds

[steelreserve]

Looks too expensive for a guy with injury issues. Rather save that money to re-sign Worilds

I seriously doubt he'll actually get anywhere near the $6.5M he was on the books for. More like a $1.5M prove-it deal with incentives and/or an option for a second year. Might be right in our price range if that's the case.

[Psycho Ward 86]

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/435551105020612608

Former Lions S Louis Delmas will be lining up more visits after the combine. Atlanta and Denver among the interested teams

ESPN.com's Ben Goessling believes the Vikings could show interest in free agent Louis Delmas.
Delmas would need to convert to strong safety, but could be a fit for the Vikings if they decide to upgrade on Jamarca Sanford.


id say he's a goner...i would be unsure about delmas as a potential safety of the future anyways.

[Dwinsgames]

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/435551105020612608

Former Lions S Louis Delmas will be lining up more visits after the combine. Atlanta and Denver among the interested teams

ESPN.com's Ben Goessling believes the Vikings could show interest in free agent Louis Delmas.
Delmas would need to convert to strong safety, but could be a fit for the Vikings if they decide to upgrade on Jamarca Sanford.


id say he's a goner...i would be unsure about delmas as a potential safety of the future anyways.

the red bold

[Psycho Ward 86]

well, now that i read up on him it looks like he was a 2x pro bowl alternate, so that gave me a little excitement about his abilities. still, i have to wonder what this says about shamarko even if he's only going into his 2nd season


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeDGfH7-VBc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfcIMcaSJXE

seems like a good vocal leader that the team sorely needs. too bad other teams need him more

[Dwinsgames]

well, now that i read up on him it looks like he was a 2x pro bowl alternate, so that gave me a little excitement about his abilities. still, i have to wonder what this says about shamarko even if he's only going into his 2nd season

I have zero worries about his ability as a player , I have every concern about his ability to be available to play in extended capacity and learn the system .... he can play no question about it ...

his biggest issue in Detroit ( minus the 6.5 million cap hit ) was he was borderline injured all the time with his knee , he could not practice most of the week ( Troy like for a few years ) difference being Troy knew the system and had cohesion with his team mates Delmas does not have that here with us ....

in order to obtain continuity he would have to practice and that would further expose his already bad knee ( a problem dating back to college )

so him not signing quickly here is probably a good thing as him going to make rounds probably secures him a job elsewhere and we can get a healthy body via the draft or another cast off with talent

[Devilsdancefloor]

last year he played all 16 games i really wanted the steelers to draft him 5 years ago. i think this would be another great FA signing and the team could put off drafting a safety this year Troy is at the end of his career

[Dwinsgames]

last year he played all 16 games i really wanted the steelers to draft him 5 years ago. i think this would be another great FA signing and the team could put off drafting a safety this year Troy is at the end of his career


he played all 16 games but rarely practiced ...

that would be an big issue in a new system and new surrounding cast that he has no continuity with IMO


Unlike Nate Burleson (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/4529/nate-burleson), who was also released Thursday as a cap cut (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10451445/nate-burleson-released-detroit-lions), Delmas was done in by his injury history. While Delmas, who like Burleson was a loud presence in the huddle and in pregame, played all 16 games this season, he could barely practice during the week.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0213/nfl_u_ldelmas_jh_200x300.jpg (http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0213/nfl_u_ldelmas_jh_400.jpg)

Louis Delmas leaves big shoes to fill in Detroit's defense as far as leadership is concerned.


And there were little guarantee his knees would be able to hold up in the long term, even as he took care of them well during the 2013 season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/116786/delmas-release-makes-sense-for-lions

[salamander]

His knees scare me...the last thing this team needs is another injury-prone guy. Plus I'm sure other teams will offer him more than we can afford.

[Steelman]

I had a feeling we might take a look at him, but unless he comes REALLY cheap I don't see how he'd get on the roster. He could be a good stop-gap replacement for Clark. But I don't think we want or need that.

[steeldawg]

He is an injury risk but if you can get him for the right price he is worth the chance. When healthy he is an upgrade over Clark. As far as shamarko goes the jury is still out on him, I keep hearing he will replace Troy but he hasn't shown a lot.

[Dwinsgames]

He is an injury risk but if you can get him for the right price he is worth the chance. When healthy he is an upgrade over Clark. As far as shamarko goes the jury is still out on him, I keep hearing he will replace Troy but he hasn't shown a lot.

honestly my eyes tell me Shamarko is better suited to replace Clark than Troy but that's just me , he is more of an open field hitter than a extra man in the box kind of player at this level IMO but I am not a Steelers coach so he will be whatever they make him be for better or worse

[st33lersguy]

I rather have Shamrko starting for the Steelers next year than Louis "glass knees" Delmas. Let's see what our 2nd year guys can do and allow them to grow, don't just discard them after one year of playing very little when the coaching staff won't play rookies

[LLT]

I rather have Shamrko starting for the Steelers next year than Louis "glass knees" Delmas. Let's see what our 2nd year guys can do and allow them to grow, don't just discard them after one year of playing very little when the coaching staff won't play rookies

I dont think signing a FA is equal with "discarding" a player. The reality is that we are going to need TWO new starting safeties in the very near future and the FO may very well be thinking ahead to a tandem of safeties involving Shamarko and a Free Agent.

[Psycho Ward 86]

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/03/potential-steelers-free-agent-target-s-louis-delmas-signs-with-the-dolphins/

signed with the dolphins. 1 year worth up to $3.5 million

[Dwinsgames]

Gerry Dulac ‏@gerrydulac (https://twitter.com/gerrydulac) 2m (https://twitter.com/gerrydulac/status/444228452473135104) San Diego Chargers NT/DE Cam Thomas will visit #Steelers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Steelers&src=hash) on Friday too. His nickname is "Baby Zilla." He's 6-3, 330.

[Randy06]

Cam Thomas? YES PLEASE

[Psycho Ward 86]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/06/05/secret-superstar-cam-thomas-nt-san-diego-chargers/

meh, dont know much about him. im sure coach mitchell will make him better though. maybe with the lack depth at DE, the chance of mclendon scooting over to DE is a real possibility

[tube517]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/06/05/secret-superstar-cam-thomas-nt-san-diego-chargers/

meh, dont know much about him. im sure coach mitchell will make him better though. maybe with the lack depth at DE, the chance of mclendon scooting over to DE is a real possibility

More info on Baby Zilla

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/03/chargers-free-agent-dl-cam-thomas-to-visit-steelers-on-friday/

[XxKnightxX]

That's not a good sign if you got replaced by another DE. Then again Sean is a freak of nature from the times I've seen him. (I'm person and on the field. ) but well see. We're scrounging here


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[Psycho Ward 86]

wow. we could have as many as 5 new starters on defense this season.

[SteelerCountry58]

Get freakin Jared Allen for our open DE spot! The guy is a beast,he'd be
perfect for a couple years until we can groom a young stud replacement.

[LLT]

Get freakin Jared Allen for our open DE spot! The guy is a beast,he'd be
perfect for a couple years until we can groom a young stud replacement.

He has openly said that he would rather retire than sign a small contract.

[salamander]

He has openly said that he would rather retire than sign a small contract.

Not to mention he played in a 4-3 system if I remember correctly.

[SteelerCountry58]

Hey,worth a shot. It's not my money but I'd give him 3 yrs 18m. 4/3 or 3/4 doesn't matter
with a guy like him I'd float him all around the line in various schemes. The guy knows
how to wreak havoc,something we have been lacking for awhile now.

[salamander]

Hey,worth a shot. It's not my money but I'd give him 3 yrs 18m. 4/3 or 3/4 doesn't matter
with a guy like him I'd float him all around the line in various schemes. The guy knows
how to wreak havoc,something we have been lacking for awhile now.

You can't just bring in a career 4-3 guy, especially at his age, and expect him to automatically adjust to a 3-4 scheme. Plus, as LLT alluded to, he's seeking a lot of money.

[Hindes204]

Cam Thomas? YES PLEASE

Why?? He's not very good at all

[Dwinsgames]

not deserving of a thread of its own so placed it here ( good a place as any )

Gerry Dulac ‏@gerrydulac (https://twitter.com/gerrydulac) 9m (https://twitter.com/gerrydulac/status/444310332232974337) #Steelers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Steelers&src=hash) were eyeing Packers LB Mike Neal in FA but he re-signed w Green Bay. Big-body type who could play ILB and OLB.

[86WARD]

Thomas isn't any better than McLendon...and possibly worse. He'd be depth...an upgrade over Woods if anything...

[Dwinsgames]

Thomas isn't any better than McLendon...and possibly worse. He'd be depth...an upgrade over Woods if anything...

doubt he is as good as Woods , I would be hesitant to give him a contract if we where not so desperate at this point ...if we draft a couple D-lineman at any point he may not make the final 53 ... started fast and faded as fast ..Fangupo is a better Nose and one of us MIGHT give him a run for his money at end ....

I think I would rather not sign anyone

[Dwinsgames]

Paul ‏@Dwinsgames (https://twitter.com/Dwinsgames) 11m (https://twitter.com/Dwinsgames/status/444313418636345344) @gerrydulac (https://twitter.com/gerrydulac) ANY word on Carrington ? still in town ? left ? anything

Gerry Dulac ‏@gerrydulac (https://twitter.com/gerrydulac) 53s (https://twitter.com/gerrydulac/status/444316111795126272)
@Dwinsgames (https://twitter.com/Dwinsgames) meets Friday am
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so this is why we have not heard anything yet , was led to believe they where meeting today but it is tomorrow morning

[GBMelBlount]

Cam Thomas - 2012 analysis / ranking = #46 :

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1444340-br-nfl-1000-2013-top-50-defensive-tackles/page/6

[Hindes204]

Cam Thomas - 2012 analysis / ranking = #46 :

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1444340-br-nfl-1000-2013-top-50-defensive-tackles/page/6


There are zero from the Steelers in that list. To put that in perspective, Cleveland has three.....wow

[GBMelBlount]

There are zero from the Steelers in that list. To put that in perspective, Cleveland has three.....wow

Maybe having no pressure is the bigger reason we are giving up big plays in the secondary...

[Mojouw]

Cam Thomas - 2012 analysis / ranking = #46 :

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1444340-br-nfl-1000-2013-top-50-defensive-tackles/page/6

Yeah. But the thing is that the stats, some other reports, and the benching indicate that Thomas has not consistently done any of the positive things the article talks about.

[GBMelBlount]

Yeah. But the thing is that the stats, some other reports, and the benching indicate that Thomas has not consistently done any of the positive things the article talks about.

I sort of assumed that based on the #46 ranking.

[Mojouw]

I sort of assumed that based on the #46 ranking.

Fair enough. I was just frustrated about the general excitement about Thomas amongst Steelers fans. Not here, I am happy to say. But too many seem all pumped up because he is "name" they have heard of.

Of course, since the Steelers are currently auditioning beer vendors and parking attendants to play DL - maybe he would be a good idea.

[Bluecoat96]

444532760879706112

[Steelersfan]

James Starks Greenbay running back to visit with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Hope they check out LaGarette Blount also.

[salamander]

We need RB depth badly. I'll take whatever we can get at this point.

[Psycho Ward 86]

James Starks Greenbay running back to visit with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Hope they check out LaGarette Blount also.

this is a great move

[st33lersguy]

We need some other running backs on the depth chart

[Shoes]

Paul ‏@Dwinsgames (https://twitter.com/Dwinsgames)11m (https://twitter.com/Dwinsgames/status/444313418636345344) @gerrydulac (https://twitter.com/gerrydulac) ANY word on Carrington ? still in town ? left ? anything

Gerry Dulac ‏@gerrydulac (https://twitter.com/gerrydulac)53s (https://twitter.com/gerrydulac/status/444316111795126272)
@Dwinsgames (https://twitter.com/Dwinsgames) meets Friday am
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so this is why we have not heard anything yet , was led to believe they where meeting today but it is tomorrow morning


Alex Carrington reportedly has good visit Steelers.



Ian Rapoport has tweeted that the meeting between the Steelers and defensive end Alex Carrington that took place today went well, and both sides will continue to talk.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2014-steelers-free-agency/2014/3/14/5510568/alex-carrington-reportedly-has-good-visit-steelers

[Dwinsgames]

James Starks Greenbay running back to visit with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Hope they check out LaGarette Blount also.

Steelers | James Starks to visit (http://kffl.com/team/30/nfl/gnews.php?id=896653-steelers---james-starks-to-visit)Sat, 15 Mar 2014 14:30:16 -0700
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) will visit with free-agent RB James Starks (http://kffl.com/player/22606/nfl/james-starks) (Packers) Monday, March 17.

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Steelers | Steve McLendon could be moved to DE (http://kffl.com/team/30/nfl/gnews.php?id=896572-steelers---steve-mclendon-could-be-moved-to-de-)Fri, 14 Mar 2014 18:33:23 -0700
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) could consider moving DT Steve McLendon (http://kffl.com/player/21359/nfl/steve-mclendon) to defensive end next season since they signed DT Cam Thomas (http://kffl.com/player/22540/nfl/cam-thomas).

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Steelers | Positive meeting with Alex Carrington (http://kffl.com/team/30/nfl/gnews.php?id=896562-steelers---positive-meeting-with-alex-carrington)Fri, 14 Mar 2014 17:24:07 -0700
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://kffl.com/team/30/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers) had a positive meeting with free-agent DE Alex Carrington (http://kffl.com/player/22536/nfl/alex-carrington) (Bills) and will continue to discuss a contract with him. Carrington did pass a physical during the visit.

[Shoes]

Starks always played well against us. Kid sure hasn't fumbled much and is bigger than I thought. Wonder what kind of money he's looking for?

[GBMelBlount]

How well did Carrington play before tearing his quad.

[Dwinsgames]

How well did Carrington play before tearing his quad.

played well as a rotational guy in 2012 , moved up to starter job in 2013 played 3 games before tearing the quad and was having a good year from the reports I have read , coaches where highly disappointed in him going down as they where looking for big things from him ...

mind you this is stuff I have read and got from talking to a couple bills fans who evaluate talent on blogs and twitter , nothing that I have witnessed first hand

[Texasteel]

Didn't they play a 4-3 till 2012, and switched to a 3-4 in 2013. I'm hearing that they plan on going back to a 4-3 defense next year.

[Dwinsgames]

Didn't they play a 4-3 till 2012, and switched to a 3-4 in 2013. I'm hearing that they plan on going back to a 4-3 defense next year.

I could be mistaken but I think they emulate NE on Def . 3-4 and 4-3 fronts

[Mojouw]

Looks Like Lance Moore is coming for a visit.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3545/lance-moore

[Dwinsgames]

Looks Like Lance Moore is coming for a visit.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3545/lance-moore


as said in another thread 30 years old , coming off a down year ( one of his worst ) , hot and cold receiver from a prolific passing attack in N.O. , looks as though his best play is behind him so should be dirt cheap or not at all ....

[Shoes]

as said in another thread 30 years old , coming off a down year ( one of his worst ) , hot and cold receiver from a prolific passing attack in N.O. , looks as though his best play is behind him so should be dirt cheap or not at all ....

Agreed…like a $1.298

[Dwinsgames]

Agreed…like a $1.298

a buck .298 lol , haven't heard that in years ( showing your age shoes )

I have a question on those numbers is that per year , per game , per snap or for each play he actually makes ?

haha

[Shoes]

a buck .298 lol , haven't heard that in years ( showing your age shoes )

I have a question on those numbers is that per year , per game , per snap or for each play he actually makes ?

haha

That would be per year…and it's good to have a fellow geezer around. :chuckle:

[Dwinsgames]

That would be per year…and it's good to have a fellow geezer around. :chuckle:

whatdaya say der sonny ?

[Shoes]

whatdaya say der sonny ?

:chuckle:

[Steelerette]

I was hoping he'd retire. Every time I autodraft I wind up with Moore on my roster without fail.

[Dwinsgames]

a guy I would not mind kicking the tires on is Arrelious Benn a 2nd round pick 4 years ago who for what ever reason just never made a huge impact , 6'2" -220- 4.43-40 super athletic for a man his size was stuck in Tampa with no QB play to speak of traded to Philly and tore his acl last aug in training camp should be a low risk high reward kind of player who is only 25 if he don't pan out you cut him loose with little to no cap implications

[Shoes]

Is he a FA, Dwins?

[Dwinsgames]

Is he a FA, Dwins?

listed as one here http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000316435/article/2014-nfl-free-agents-by-team

[86WARD]

He's under contract with the Eagles and still,listed on their roster...unless he got cut today...

[Dwinsgames]

He's under contract with the Eagles and still,listed on their roster...unless he got cut today...

I dunno , seen him listed as a FA , googled his contract and he signed a 1 year deal in 2013 is all I could find ... may has resigned but never heard anything nor did I see anything when googling ..strange should not be on roster if a FA but should show something on web if he signed a new deal too .. so no clue

[Dwinsgames]

ok scrath him .... 2014 team option http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/arrelious-benn/

[Shoes]

Any news on the James Starks visit? I guess it's tomorrow? Some said today?

[Dwinsgames]

Any news on the James Starks visit? I guess it's tomorrow? Some said today?

re signed with Packer 2 year deal ...another one bites the dust

[salamander]

Damn. We're gonna have our own version of the "Replacements" soon. :lol:

[Dwinsgames]

Cotch probably done in Burgh http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2014-steelers-free-agency/2014/3/17/5520664/steelers-free-agency-2014-rumors-latest-news-report-james-jones

[steelreserve]

You know it's desperation time when people are blowing you off for the Raiders.

[Shoes]

Colbert was last seen loading his revolver after shooting off his last toe. :chuckle:

[Mojouw]

Over 11 million dollars for James Jones? That isn't in dollars is it? What are they paying him per drop?

[Dwinsgames]

Over 11 million dollars for James Jones? That isn't in dollars is it? What are they paying him per drop?


Paying him to nab 14 TDs per year like he did in 2012 , problem is they did not bother to see he has 37 in a 7 year career including those same 14 ...

another issue with Jones ( and I like him ) he has always been the #3 weapon , In Oakland they have pretty much NOBODY else so he is going to draw the top cover man now not the second or 3rd best cover man ....

Jones apparently is up for the challenge or is to dumb to realize it or he would have bugged his agent to get him into Pittsburgh where he could be a #2

I feel this will be partly why Cotchery will not be back , the Panthers will look at his 2013 production and pay him for that level of performance where it is / was an anomaly , Cotchery never in his career had that kind of production and I doubt he ever does again

[Mojouw]

Paying him to nab 14 TDs per year like he did in 2012 , problem is they did not bother to see he has 37 in a 7 year career including those same 14 ...

another issue with Jones ( and I like him ) he has always been the #3 weapon , In Oakland they have pretty much NOBODY else so he is going to draw the top cover man now not the second or 3rd best cover man ....

Jones apparently is up for the challenge or is to dumb to realize it or he would have bugged his agent to get him into Pittsburgh where he could be a #2

I feel this will be partly why Cotchery will not be back , the Panthers will look at his 2013 production and pay him for that level of performance where it is / was an anomaly , Cotchery never in his career had that kind of production and I doubt he ever does again

The fact that both Cotchery and Jones had randomly (and most likely unrepeatable) productive seasons last year is why I am more than happy to let some other team pay for it.

If a RB and a WR are not loked at in the next week or so; then I might start to worry.

[tube517]

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/03/steelers-still-have-plenty-of-salary-cap-space-to-sign-free-agent-de-alex-carrington/

[Bluecoat96]

Just saw on Twitter that Sidney Rice has a visit scheduled with Steelers. Thoughts?

[Dwinsgames]

Just saw on Twitter that Sidney Rice has a visit scheduled with Steelers. Thoughts?

he looked incredible with Favre .... his biggest enemy is himself , can't stay healthy ..athletic , fast , good hands

[Bluecoat96]

he looked incredible with Favre .... his biggest enemy is himself , can't stay healthy ..athletic , fast , good hands

My thoughts exactly. Health would be my biggest concern.

[Bluecoat96]

Whoops. The Rice to the Steelers report was not true, I guess. Silly me.

[Dwinsgames]

FA RB Jones Drew in for visit

[Randy06]

Why would we sign MJD, with so many holes?

[Dwinsgames]

Why would we sign MJD, with so many holes?

perhaps because RB is another of our holes ... we have under contract Just 1 RB with NFL exp in Bell and nothing else

[86WARD]

A Bell/MJD rotation could be killer.

[salamander]

I know MJD is no where near what he used to be but I would definitely take him to back up Bell.

[steelreserve]

That guy was busting our balls for so many years, I'd love to see him on our side. He's had a couple of down seasons, but I don't know if he's "done" or not. At least he's still on the right side of 30, which for RBs especially seems to be the falling-off point.

With our cap situation and a clear #1 back already, my hunch is someone else gives him a better offer hoping that he's still got something left.

[X-Terminator]

I would love MJD in black and gold. A 12-15-carry per game load would be perfect for him at this point in his career after being run until his wheels fell off in Jerksonville. But steelreserve is right - he'll get more from another team with cap space that still needs a starting RB. Cleveland and Arizona immediately come to mind.

[Dwinsgames]

I would love MJD in black and gold. A 12-15-carry per game load would be perfect for him at this point in his career after being run until his wheels fell off in Jerksonville. But steelreserve is right - he'll get more from another team with cap space that still needs a starting RB. Cleveland and Arizona immediately come to mind.


Browns already signed their RB in Ben Tate , but he could still go there Tate has an injury history of sorts and they have more cash than us ...

I think this is nothing more than a free lunch and tour to help build interest , but hope I am wrong

[Shoes]

That guy was busting our balls for so many years, I'd love to see him on our side. He's had a couple of down seasons, but I don't know if he's "done" or not. At least he's still on the right side of 30, which for RBs especially seems to be the falling-off point.

With our cap situation and a clear #1 back already, my hunch is someone else gives him a better offer hoping that he's still got something left.

I'd love to have him also and maybe, just maybe he'll put the team he would be playing for in the scales and not just the money. I'm actually feeling good about this one too.

[steelreserve]

I'd love to have him also and maybe, just maybe he'll put the team he would be playing for in the scales and not just the money. I'm actually feeling good about this one too.


I keep thinking this about free agents/re-signing our own players, and then have to keep reminding myself that we've gone 8-8 the last two years and are known as a team with cap trouble for the near future, so we don't necessarily have an advantage in that area anymore. If I was an aging RB looking for a winning team where I was the missing piece, I'd probably look at NE and Denver before Pittsburgh ... NE has a history of this type of signing for about the last decade, and Denver is the "now" team and apparently also joined the Patriots with a salary cap exemption from the league this offseason. They'd probably both offer more money, more regular playing time, a more famous/respected coach, and a team that's closer to a championship track than us. That's the sad reality as of now.

[Dwinsgames]

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/03/steelers-still-have-plenty-of-salary-cap-space-to-sign-free-agent-de-alex-carrington/
NFL Draft Diamonds ‏@DraftDiamonds (https://twitter.com/DraftDiamonds) 1m (https://twitter.com/DraftDiamonds/status/446399649604042752) Alex Carrington is in Cleveland visiting the Browns along with Pat McQuistan http://wp.me/p3HUdq-4HN (http://t.co/Z4g0YzZ6Xs)

[Shoes]

Steelers notebook: Ex-Jaguars RB Jones-Drew visits team offices

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[Shoes]

I keep thinking this about free agents/re-signing our own players, and then have to keep reminding myself that we've gone 8-8 the last two years and are known as a team with cap trouble for the near future, so we don't necessarily have an advantage in that area anymore. If I was an aging RB looking for a winning team where I was the missing piece, I'd probably look at NE and Denver before Pittsburgh ... NE has a history of this type of signing for about the last decade, and Denver is the "now" team and apparently also joined the Patriots with a salary cap exemption from the league this offseason. They'd probably both offer more money, more regular playing time, a more famous/respected coach, and a team that's closer to a championship track than us. That's the sad reality as of now.

I thought the Jets were the only other team looking at MJD?

[Dwinsgames]

MJD and Moore both leave town without a contract

[Shoes]

MJD and Moore both leave town without a contract

Maybe Colbert is shooting Tomlin's toes off now since he doesn't have any left. :chuckle:

[salamander]

I know we don't have much cap space, but come on... we really NEED to do something.

[Dwinsgames]

Dale Lolley ‏@dlolleyor (https://twitter.com/dlolleyor) 39s (https://twitter.com/dlolleyor/status/446458536714055681) NFL Network reporting Jones-Drew will meet with #Steelers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Steelers&src=hash) again on Thursday.

[Shoes]

Dale Lolley ‏@dlolleyor (https://twitter.com/dlolleyor) 39s (https://twitter.com/dlolleyor/status/446458536714055681) NFL Network reporting Jones-Drew will meet with #Steelers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Steelers&src=hash) again on Thursday.

Thats good. MJD and Bell have the same agent…lets hope this will work out.

I don't believe anyone has #32

[TMC]

When I heard MJD was coming in, I thought; "Wow, he has some mileage but maybe they can get a year or two out of him before he hangs it up."

Then, I was looking at his numbers in the NFL and his age was listed at the top. He is 28. MJD is ONLY 28. I know he has played 8 seasons, but he might have another good 4-5 years left in him if he gets with a team that does not try to run the wheels off the guy.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Albert Breer is also reporting that MJD is visiting again. If we sign him i only want him as a 2-3 year rental. But what a hell of a rental that could be...Bell and MJD would be the most bludgeoning tandem of RB's anywhere.

[Shoes]

Anyone know where he is on weight? I saw his 40 time was 4.39, I'm sure he's slowed up a bit, but really like the Bell/MJD combo.

[86WARD]

I know we don't have much cap space, but come on... we really NEED to do something.

$2.174M in cap space and they can redo Timmons at anytime to get more space...

[Shoes]

Nice story behind the name MJD and his number 32.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jnThH_VdiE

[Dwinsgames]

turns 29 this week or next

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Albert Breer is also reporting that MJD is visiting again. If we sign him i only want him as a 2-3 year rental. But what a hell of a rental that could be...Bell and MJD would be the most bludgeoning tandem of RB's anywhere.


cannon ball and bowling ball

[GBMelBlount]

Only 3.4 ypc last year.

Should fit right in.

[Dwinsgames]

Only 3.4 ypc last year.

Should fit right in.

yea not great BUT....

I imagine he was playing vs a stacked box game in game out too cause nobody respects their QB play ( not saying it was the case but I would bet it was )

[stillers4me]

MJD to be a Steeler by the end of the day? He must have alot of faith in Mike Munchak. :lol:

[GBMelBlount]

yea not great BUT....

I imagine he was playing vs a stacked box game in game out too cause nobody respects their QB play ( not saying it was the case but I would bet it was )

I was wondering about that as well.

...and counting 2013 as a mulligan his ypc every year have been downright respectable.

[X-Terminator]

yea not great BUT....

I imagine he was playing vs a stacked box game in game out too cause nobody respects their QB play ( not saying it was the case but I would bet it was )

You would be correct. Would you respect Blaine Gabbert and Chad Henne at QB?

[Dwinsgames]

A source said free-agent RB Maurice Jones-Drew (http://kffl.com/player/13496/nfl/maurice-jones-drew) (Jaguars) was in good physical condition when he began his free-agent visits this week.

[Dwinsgames]

Per the talking horse Mr Ed Ed Bouchette ‏@EdBouchette (https://twitter.com/EdBouchette) 1m (https://twitter.com/EdBouchette/status/446675666399150081) Maurice Jones-Drew's visit with #Steelers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Steelers&src=hash) ended. No contract. Still no backup RB. Next?

[Shoes]

Lets wait and see. I believe the jets were the only other team interested in him

[86WARD]

No MJD. No Lance Moore. No Cotchery...

Major Fail?

[Dwinsgames]

I have a sneaking suspicion Panthers offered Cotch 2.5 mill a year or more , ( probably 3 mill ) he is a very good #3-#4 WR but he is not a #2 at this stage and in Carolina ( look at their roster ) he will be no worse than a #2 and may be looked at by some as the #1 ....they have bigger issues than us at WR and had to land him ...

makes him missed none the less here but at the same time he is not worthy of overpayment either .....

it does hurt ... and places more emphasis on finding a replacement in the draft and makes that more of a priority because we have unknowns everywhere except 84 ... Wheaton was drafted to be a starter but showed very little thus far so we still do not know what we have so if it is ME ... I draft with eye towards starter not #3 and let them battle for the #2 with the loser being the #3

I also believe we will see Plaxico in camp like it or not as we have little exp at WR

[Mojouw]

Maybe MJD and the Steelers have a "handshake" agreement and the contract gets signed after Woodley's deal comes off the books?

[steelreserve]

Free agency this year is like death by a thousand paper cuts. There was nobody irreplaceable that we stood to lose ... but we haven't really replaced any of them. Except Clark, I guess.

[salamander]

Ugh...

[Dwinsgames]

3 years $6.2 million is why Cotchery left

[steelreserve]

3 years $6.2 million is why Cotchery left

Not a hell of a lot different than what we were paying him already. We let him walk over $500K? We either have a really good alternate plan, or - judging by the way FA has gone so far - we got caught with our pants down again.

[GBMelBlount]

Run Ben run!

[Dwinsgames]

Not a hell of a lot different than what we were paying him already. We let him walk over $500K? We either have a really good alternate plan, or - judging by the way FA has gone so far - we got caught with our pants down again.

we let Al Woods go over 500k too seems to be a reoccurring theme

[Shoes]

Maybe MJD and the Steelers have a "handshake" agreement and the contract gets signed after Woodley's deal comes off the books?

Lets hope so!

[86WARD]

Maybe MJD and the Steelers have a "handshake" agreement and the contract gets signed after Woodley's deal comes off the books?

Doubt it. They can get money anytime by redoing Timmons deal...

[Dwinsgames]

Doubt it. They can get money anytime by redoing Timmons deal...

or extending Ben or finalizing a long term deal with Worilds ..... we have the ability to get coin

[steelreserve]

Maybe MJD and the Steelers have a "handshake" agreement and the contract gets signed after Woodley's deal comes off the books?

That seems like the kind of thing that might work with a free agent like James Harrison, who we already know and probably isn't getting too many offers. It wouldn't work with a stranger, and especially not one who is likely to be signed in the meantime. You get a decent offer now, you take it; you don't wait around until June 1 based on a handshake. Not with everything that could happen in the meantime.

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or extending Ben or finalizing a long term deal with Worilds ..... we have the ability to get coin


We should also see if we can restructure Timmons' contract to be paid in Dogecoin. I doubt that counts against the cap, and he seems like a pretty tech-savvy guy.

[86WARD]

That seems like the kind of thing that might work with a free agent like James Harrison, who we already know and probably isn't getting too many offers. It wouldn't work with a stranger, and especially not one who is likely to be signed in the meantime. You get a decent offer now, you take it; you don't wait around until June 1 based on a handshake. Not with everything that could happen in the meantime.

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We should also see if we can restructure Timmons' contract to be paid in Dogecoin. I doubt that counts against the cap, and he seems like a pretty tech-savvy guy.

Or Keisel.

[stillers4me]

446786547653050368

[st33lersguy]

I am tired of all these visits without that don't end in signings. They bring my hopes up that we may be adding depth only to see those dashed without a contract. I hope scheduling a bunch of visits and only making two signings wasn't what they meant by "being more active"

[Dwinsgames]

new article up in draft forum if anyone is interested

[SteelerFanInStl]

446786547653050368

If that's what he's looking for, he won't be playing for the Steelers.

[tihmtahm]

446786547653050368

We will offer him $3 mil and let someone else actually give him that extra $500,000. Seems to be par for the course!

[NCSteeler]

Is Cotchery really a 2 mil. per season player at 32yo? I don't think so. We will miss him, but I'm glad they didn't get in a bidding war either. I'm not a fan of Lance Moore, so glad he's not signed. And if MJD wants 3.5mil , he has some work to do, but it will not be in Pittsburgh. I could see an offer around 2 mil MAX.

All in all they are doing typical Steelers stuff, holding pat where you can, signing some lesser know players that will help and not being forced into over paying just because there is a need.

[XxKnightxX]

That seems like the kind of thing that might work with a free agent like James Harrison, who we already know and probably isn't getting too many offers. It wouldn't work with a stranger, and especially not one who is likely to be signed in the meantime. You get a decent offer now, you take it; you don't wait around until June 1 based on a handshake. Not with everything that could happen in the meantime.

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We should also see if we can restructure Timmons' contract to be paid in Dogecoin. I doubt that counts against the cap, and he seems like a pretty tech-savvy guy.

Such cap room, very Colbert , many Rooneys, very free agent. Wow http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/21/2yma4a4e.jpg


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[XxKnightxX]

446786547653050368

If rather spend that on a WR ,DL, or an ILB


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[Dwinsgames]

that is the problem when looking at a former star RB when the starter is a 2nd year man , the former star is going to want more than vet min and at that point it makes a mess and potential internal issues with the team , day 1 without ever taking a snap he is being paid to backup the starter at a rate much higher than the starter

[Steelerette]

While it can burn to lose someone over 500k, you have to figure on a 53 man roster, an extra 500k for everyone amounts to $26.5mm, or enough to sign three to five guys who'd each help the team immensely. Maybe the stench of the salary cap mess the team found itself in has finally made them pennywise.

[GBMelBlount]

While it can burn to lose someone over 500k, you have to figure on a 53 man roster, an extra 500k for everyone amounts to $26.5mm, or enough to sign three to five guys who'd each help the team immensely. Maybe the stench of the salary cap mess the team found itself in has finally made them pennywise.

...and sometimes people over react and the pendulum of common sense swings too far in the other direction.

[steelreserve]

All in all they are doing typical Steelers stuff, holding pat where you can, signing some lesser know players that will help and not being forced into over paying just because there is a need.

Lately, "typical Steelers stuff" seems like the NFL equivalent of being flat broke and living on ramen and hose water until you can hit up the payday loan place. Our WR corps just got repo'd.

Then we bring in ... Cam Thomas: The poor man's defensive tackle. Guy Whimper: The homeless man's offensive lineman.

CHAMPIONSHIP!

[Dwinsgames]

Mark Kaboly ‏@MarkKaboly_Trib (https://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib) 1m (https://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib/status/447061542585237504) According to @RavensInsider (https://twitter.com/RavensInsider), RB LeGarrette Blount will visit #Steelers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Steelers&src=hash)

this is a more likely signing IMO

[st33lersguy]

Mark Kaboly ‏@MarkKaboly_Trib (https://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib) 1m (https://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib/status/447061542585237504) According to @RavensInsider (https://twitter.com/RavensInsider), RB LeGarrette Blount will visit #Steelers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Steelers&src=hash)

this is a more likely signing IMO

We'll just let him walk without a contract

[Mojouw]

These are not exactly difference making players that are being allowed to leave without a contract.

[salamander]

I stopped getting my hopes up when these visits are announced. :ranger:

[Steelerette]

Blount will be 2 1/2 years older than Bettis was when we brought him in, but with slightly less wear on his tires, and still well on the right side of 30. He's the same type of player and a guy I wanted to begin with, nevermind his punch and suspension incident. It's crazy to me that he's going to come at an affordable price. Bell and Blount would be dynamite for years to come, especially if Munchak gets this o-line whipped into shape. Lock him up long term while the getting's good... Pittsburgh is the perfect home for him.

[Mojouw]

Blount long term? Why on earth would the Steelers want to do that?

What does Blount do well? He can simply not be on the field on passing downs as his blocking is bad and his receiving skills are non-existent. In fact his presence in the huddle increases the chances of an incompletion by about 41%. So he is big and runs "well" on early downs? I mean I guess. Technically so did Redman for a season or so.

What would his role be on the team? Early down "thumper"? So Bell goes to the bench on 1st and 2nd downs? Blount simply can not play on 3rd downs. So he comes in for a series here and there, maybe short yardage. And every time he checks into the game the entire stadium will know it is a run.

Look Blount for like maybe a million bucks for one year might be alright, but not for more $$ than that and no way would I want tied to his contract over any length of time.

Andre Brown is a better option if they want to spend money on the position.

[slashsteel]

Blount long term? Why on earth would the Steelers want to do that?

What does Blount do well? He can simply not be on the field on passing downs as his blocking is bad and his receiving skills are non-existent. In fact his presence in the huddle increases the chances of an incompletion by about 41%. So he is big and runs "well" on early downs? I mean I guess. Technically so did Redman for a season or so.

What would his role be on the team? Early down "thumper"? So Bell goes to the bench on 1st and 2nd downs? Blount simply can not play on 3rd downs. So he comes in for a series here and there, maybe short yardage. And every time he checks into the game the entire stadium will know it is a run.

Look Blount for like maybe a million bucks for one year might be alright, but not for more $$ than that and no way would I want tied to his contract over any length of time.

Andre Brown is a better option if they want to spend money on the position.

he brings a solid average and much needed depth at the position.

He would spell Bell for a series here and there.

Plus perhaps short yardage opportunities.

For a inexpensive price on a one or two year contract worth it iMO.

[Steelerette]

In situations where the Steelers have a comfortable lead and the opposing defense is starting to get tired?

Blount, Blount, Blount. Cowherball at its finest :lol: (as long as they wait until after halftime to start doing it...)

[steelreserve]

I don't get all the hate on Blount. He does one thing and does it well, which is more than you can say about any of our other backs besides Bell last year. I'd rather have a change-of-pace back who can run the ball effectively and not catch or block, than have one who can't run and maybe does one other thing well sometimes.

First and foremost, a running back has to be able to run the ball. If you can't do that, you're a very limited-use specialist, and there's room for like one of those guys per team. We seem to carry 3 or 4 of those guys and assume that equals one effective backup. But since none of them can run the ball, it doesn't work.

Seriously. Having one guy who can kind of catch but not block or run, plus one guy who can kind of block but not catch or run, plus one guy who can kind of do short yardage but not catch or run, is not the same thing as having a backup RB. You're much better off having someone who can run and then sort out the rest at the end of the depth chart.

[Randy06]

I wouldn't mind it. He is a bruiser, and we saw what he did the end of last year and briefly in TB. As a change of pace back he is great, and wouldn't mind him around for a couple of years. But to sign him "long term" and pretend like he is a star? Nah.

[86WARD]

I am more intrigued at the thought of Blount over MJD...

[Mojouw]

Did we all forget that he had a good rookie year, a terrible sophmore year, and then a decent year in a highly specific specialized role in NE?

Blount is simply not very good. His name and past production will get him more money than he will be worth.

I am not interested in signing a guy whose name recognition will cash more paychecks than his production will.

[slashsteel]

Did we all forget that he had a good rookie year, a terrible sophmore year, and then a decent year in a highly specific specialized role in NE?

Blount is simply not very good. His name and past production will get him more money than he will be worth.

I am not interested in signing a guy whose name recognition will cash more paychecks than his production will.

his production was decent for New England and the Steelers won't overpay for his services. Will have to disagree with your stance.......

[86WARD]

Did we all forget that he had a good rookie year, a terrible sophmore year, and then a decent year in a highly specific specialized role in NE?

Blount is simply not very good. His name and past production will get him more money than he will be worth.

I am not interested in signing a guy whose name recognition will cash more paychecks than his production will.

meh...he doesn't really have that great a name recognition...

But the guy has almost a 5 YPC average. He's not a slouch...

[Shoes]

Not bad.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/0ap2000000312126/Divisional-Round-LeGarrette-Blount-highlights

[Dwinsgames]

The price just went up on Blount , Ravens all of the sudden have interest

[Shoes]

The price just went up on Blount , Ravens all of the sudden have interest

The Baltimore Sun said the move didn't make much sense for the rats since they have Rice and Pierce. I don't think Blount wants to sit around and wait for short yardage.

[Steelerette]

The Baltimore Sun said the move didn't make much sense for the rats since they have Rice and Pierce. I don't think Blount wants to sit around and wait for short yardage.

But I doubt the Ravens want the Steelers to have him. If they blow up the price, Blount's agent will think he can get more, and that buys time for another team to snap him up (or the Steelers to sign someone lackluster) before Blount settles back down into our price range.

[Shoes]

But I doubt the Ravens want the Steelers to have him. If they blow up the price, Blount's agent will think he can get more, and that buys time for another team to snap him up (or the Steelers to sign someone lackluster) before Blount settles back down into our price range.

I'm sure the rats don't want us to have him, but I'm not buying Blount wants to sit on the bench and wait for 3rd and 2. I can't see the rats paying high dollar for that.

[Steelerette]

Yeah, so the question is whether he takes the bait.

If we had Bell and Blount, that gives us room to either bring in a Verron Haynes type, or to resign Howling, someone like that. And maybe then to add a real FB... (knock on wood).

[Shoes]

I wonder how Howling's recovery is coming along?

[Psycho Ward 86]

But I doubt the Ravens want the Steelers to have him. If they blow up the price, Blount's agent will think he can get more, and that buys time for another team to snap him up (or the Steelers to sign someone lackluster) before Blount settles back down into our price range.

Lol. How the fuck are the ravens going to justify that to blount when there are 2 do-it-all backs playing in front of him? The only teams that can blow up the price on us are the ones that can justify giving him significant playing time

[Dwinsgames]

The Baltimore Sun said the move didn't make much sense for the rats since they have Rice and Pierce. I don't think Blount wants to sit around and wait for short yardage.

Assuming they keep Ray "beat-her" Rice

[Shoes]

Assuming they keep Ray "beat-her" Rice

Amazing how *hushed* that issue has become!

[steelreserve]

The Baltimore Sun said the move didn't make much sense for the rats since they have Rice and Pierce. I don't think Blount wants to sit around and wait for short yardage.


The Ravens don't have to do much. If they drive up the price by 50 bucks, they pretty much put him out of our reach. That's all this is about, period.



Yeah, so the question is whether he takes the bait.

If we had Bell and Blount, that gives us room to either bring in a Verron Haynes type, or to resign Howling, someone like that. And maybe then to add a real FB... (knock on wood).


There's a great fullback available in the draft every year in rounds 5-7, and usually some decent ones that go unsigned. We never even try. Face it, we're just not interested.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Blount long term? Why on earth would the Steelers want to do that?

What does Blount do well? He can simply not be on the field on passing downs as his blocking is bad and his receiving skills are non-existent. In fact his presence in the huddle increases the chances of an incompletion by about 41%. So he is big and runs "well" on early downs? I mean I guess. Technically so did Redman for a season or so.

Blount gave up 7 pressures in 146 pass blocking opportunities, less than 5% of the time, and not once, in the 35 pass blocking opportunities last season.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/03/a-look-at-what-legarrette-blount-could-offer-the-steelers/

[Shoes]

I wonder how Howling's recovery is coming along?


I guess okay.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5448/larod-stephens-howling

[Mojouw]

Blount gave up 7 pressures in 146 pass blocking opportunities, less than 5% of the time, and not once, in the 35 pass blocking opportunities last season.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/03/a-look-at-what-legarrette-blount-could-offer-the-steelers/

I saw those stats earlier and has quite surprised. I had always read that Tampa released him because he couldn't catch or pass block and Martin could.

Maybe Tampa is just full of crap?

I seem to be solidly in the minority here about Blount. Perhaps that should clue me in that I need to change my opinion. I just don't see anything to him to get excited about. Other than the fact that he is a big man who runs hard between the tackles. I mean who doesn't like that?

[Steelerette]

Part of the excitement I think has to be that he has a similar playstyle to Bettis, but...

1) Bell is our feature back, Blount would be secondary contributor, and
2) There will never be another Bettis

[steelreserve]

I wish people would stop saying, every time there's a guy on the large side who runs hard, "Steelers fans are excited because they think he's another Bettis" or "All that Steelers fans care about is having a big running back because they want another Bettis."

Who exactly are all these legions of Steelers fans who are apparently too stupid to spell their own names or eat with a fork? That's about how simple-minded you'd have to be to actually think that. I don't think anyone is so dumb they think being big automatically makes you "OMG THE NEXT BETTIS!!"

Really what's going on is we've had about 20 running backs shuffle through since Bettis, and out of those, 19 and a half of them were RBs who couldn't hit a hole if their lives depended on it, so they dicked around in the backfield before making a weak attempt to get back to the line of scrimmage, which usually ended with them running into the linemen's asses and then getting tackled. (The other one was Mendenhall, who ran like an actual RB for one or two seasons, and then started doing what I just described.) Nobody's confusing Najeh Davenport or Gary Russell or Isaac Redman or Jonathan Dwyer with Bettis, although the instant anyone was happy about their good plays, of which there were some, they got "OMG YOU JUST THINK ITS BETTIS!!"

No. Nobody's that dumb. All we really want is a normal running back who can actually run forward instead of sucking. We've had SO many "running backs" who suck at running. Yeah, it's great that they can block or be on special teams, but better if they can, you know ... RUN. That's all we want.

[Dwinsgames]

Part of the excitement I think has to be that he has a similar playstyle to Bettis, but...

2) There will never be another Bettis


3) any other questions see 2

[86WARD]

I wish people would stop saying, every time there's a guy on the large side who runs hard, "Steelers fans are excited because they think he's another Bettis" or "All that Steelers fans care about is having a big running back because they want another Bettis."

Who exactly are all these legions of Steelers fans who are apparently too stupid to spell their own names or eat with a fork? That's about how simple-minded you'd have to be to actually think that. I don't think anyone is so dumb they think being big automatically makes you "OMG THE NEXT BETTIS!!"

Really what's going on is we've had about 20 running backs shuffle through since Bettis, and out of those, 19 and a half of them were RBs who couldn't hit a hole if their lives depended on it, so they dicked around in the backfield before making a weak attempt to get back to the line of scrimmage, which usually ended with them running into the linemen's asses and then getting tackled. (The other one was Mendenhall, who ran like an actual RB for one or two seasons, and then started doing what I just described.) Nobody's confusing Najeh Davenport or Gary Russell or Isaac Redman or Jonathan Dwyer with Bettis, although the instant anyone was happy about their good plays, of which there were some, they got "OMG YOU JUST THINK ITS BETTIS!!"

No. Nobody's that dumb. All we really want is a normal running back who can actually run forward instead of sucking. We've had SO many "running backs" who suck at running. Yeah, it's great that they can block or be on special teams, but better if they can, you know ... RUN. That's all we want.

PREACH IT!!!

[tube517]

So, are we getting the next Bettis or what? :chuckle:

[salamander]

So, are we getting the next Bettis or what? :chuckle:

If he doesn't have suddenness and glide then I don't want him. :chuckle:

[Steelerette]

Blount was supposed to be visiting the Steelers today, but they pushed the meeting back until Friday.

Could be for many reasons. They want to get league meetings over with, they want to see what interest he really gets from other teams, they want to evaluate who else they could get, or maybe they want to negotiate something tangible with his agent... or maybe they're blowing him off... time will tell.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Steelers expected to meet with Bills LB Arthur Moats: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/03/steelers-expected-to-meet-with-bills-free-agent-lb-arthur-moats-next-week/

[Dwinsgames]

Steelers expected to meet with Bills LB Arthur Moats: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/03/steelers-expected-to-meet-with-bills-free-agent-lb-arthur-moats-next-week/


solid but unspectacular LB similar to Larry Foote , would be a nice under the radar signing if we can pull it off

[Count Steeler]

solid but unspectacular LB similar to Larry Foote , would be a nice under the radar signing if we can pull it off

Agree. This would be a good pick up.

[Mojouw]

Steelers expected to meet with Bills LB Arthur Moats: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/03/steelers-expected-to-meet-with-bills-free-agent-lb-arthur-moats-next-week/

That would be a heck of a signing.

[GBMelBlount]

What type of money would it take to sign Moats? 3 to 4 mil?

[Dwinsgames]

What type of money would it take to sign Moats? 3 to 4 mil?

depends , heading into 3rd week of FA , I have not checked out how much interest he has gotten to this point but the fact he has not signed means 1 of two things , low interest level or nobody offering him what he feels he deserves ?? ...

[Mojouw]

What type of money would it take to sign Moats? 3 to 4 mil?

Looking at other guys who signed earlier in the FA period, it would seem less than $4 million should get it done. For a decent-ish comparison Brandon Spikes got $3.25 million for 1 year and Woodyard got around $4 million per...so maybe around those 2 deals gets it done?

[GBMelBlount]

Looking at other guys who signed earlier in the FA period, it would seem less than $4 million should get it done. For a decent-ish comparison Brandon Spikes got $3.25 million for 1 year and Woodyard got around $4 million per...so maybe around those 2 deals gets it done?

Pricing the Market: Arthur Moats:

Verdict: Moats' value on the open market will depend on two factors: (1) How teams view his 12 starts last season, and (2) If teams consider him to be a core special teams player.

Moats started 12 games but played in only a quarter of defensive snaps, which has been an increasing trend among "third" linebackers in the NFL.

Since he wasn't part of the Bills' sub packages, Moats was relegated to a run-stopping role on early downs.

Because of that, teams aren't likely to view Moats as anything more than a part-time player on defense, which could limit his next contract.

It's also unlikely that teams value Moats' impact on special teams as highly as Casillas'.

http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/7370/pricing-the-market-arthur-moats

[Psycho Ward 86]

so he's vince williams. yay....

[Dwinsgames]

so he's vince williams. yay....

no far better than VW , closer to Larry Foote than VW ... still somewhat of a liability in coverage ( not as much as VW , but probably a lil more than Larry Foote ) ...not a guy I would spend 4 mill on but would spend 2

Better than Foote vs the run , not as good vs the pass ( Foote was not great at either but decent enough )

Better than VW at both areas IMO

[Psycho Ward 86]

no far better than VW , closer to Larry Foote than VW ... still somewhat of a liability in coverage ( not as much as VW , but probably a lil more than Larry Foote ) ...not a guy I would spend 4 mill on but would spend 2

Better than Foote vs the run , not as good vs the pass ( Foote was not great at either but decent enough )

Better than VW at both areas IMO

he played a quarter of the defensive snaps. not buying it until he proves it. ill take him at 2 mill though

[86WARD]

So who is actually going to meet with Moats if these guys are away at the Owners Meetings?

[steelreserve]

Given what Moats brings to the table, and what Foote brings to the table, and their expected prices ... I'd just as soon have Foote back for a year at a cost of next to nothing. If we want to improve our run stopping, getting a real defensive line is where we need to start. In the meantime, having a second ILB who can at least defend the pass somewhat is super-important to have. Maybe not as important as when opponents could use mismatches to troll Woodley every play, but important nonetheless.

[GBMelBlount]

Good point.

He knows our defense too and is well liked.

Put your walker away and come back for one more year Larry!

We need ya!

[Dwinsgames]

just heard we signed Moats waiting for confirmation

- - - Updated - - -

steelersdepo reporting it now ... guess its official

[Dwinsgames]

http://www.buffalobills.com/assets/images/imported/BUF/photos/article-assets/Story-Photos/2013-october/moats-role-story.jpg

[Shoes]

Sweet

[steelreserve]

OK, well, at least we ought to be acceptable at ILB.

After reading a little more about Foote, it seems that move was less of a salary cap decision than we just felt he couldn't cut it anymore. So, while unfortunate, time to move on, and here's hoping the new guy gets the job done.

[st33lersguy]

I think this helps solve depth issues at ILB

[blackngldblood]

Also, this team is YOUNG now. Well, outside of two old Geezers rocking their chairs on the defense.......


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[Shoes]

MJD is going to have to face the fact that he is a backup now. Will be interesting to see how things go with Blount.

Free agent running back Maurice Jones-Drew (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3596/maurice-jonesdrew)’s representatives are expected to meet with the Jets, Patriots, Dolphins and Steelers at this week’s league meeting.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/24/jets-patriots-dolphins-steelers-in-play-for-maurice-jones-drew/

[steelreserve]

MJD is going to have to face the fact that he is a backup now. Will be interesting to see how things go with Blount.

Free agent running back Maurice Jones-Drew (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3596/maurice-jonesdrew)’s representatives are expected to meet with the Jets, Patriots, Dolphins and Steelers at this week’s league meeting.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/24/jets-patriots-dolphins-steelers-in-play-for-maurice-jones-drew/

You seriously think he'll walk out of New England without a contract? I would be willing to bet real money that they sign him. Unless he is really circling the drain, signing that kind of RB is Belicheat's wet dream.

[tube517]

You seriously think he'll walk out of New England without a contract? I would be willing to bet real money that they sign him. Unless he is really circling the drain, signing that kind of RB is Belicheat's wet dream.

Yeah, somehow I see the Cheats* or even the Jets getting him before us. We won't have enough to pay him. I'd be happy with Blount

[Shoes]

You seriously think he'll walk out of New England without a contract? I would be willing to bet real money that they sign him. Unless he is really circling the drain, signing that kind of RB is Belicheat's wet dream.

I think there are more players than Welker in New England that dislike Bill. So I do think Blount may be playing for another team this season. Looks like they will be missing Wilfork also.

In addition to requesting his release, the Boston Herald reports an "angry" Vince Wilfork cleaned out his locker and "ripped his name plate off his locker stall" after the Patriots approached him about reworking his contract.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/285549/report-wilfork-cleaned-out-patriots-locker

[fansince'76]

Did we all forget that he had a good rookie year, a terrible sophmore year, and then a decent year in a highly specific specialized role in NE?

Blount is simply not very good. His name and past production will get him more money than he will be worth.

I am not interested in signing a guy whose name recognition will cash more paychecks than his production will.

meh...he doesn't really have that great a name recognition...

Agreed. Whenever his name is mentioned, I still think of this first and foremost:

http://media.heavy.com/media/2014/01/Blount_Punch.gif

[Psycho Ward 86]

Apparently MJD is willing to wait until summer to sign, even AFTER lowering his asking price to $3 million. This is a HUGE boost of likelihood for us snagging him since we'll have $8million freed up with Woodley's June 1st designation

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000336790/article/mauricejones-drew-reportedly-willing-to-wait-to-sign

[steelreserve]

Well, that may be the smart course of action for him. Certain teams get a second infusion of cash on June 1, and if they happen to be the ones who had shown interest in him, then good. Of course, it is a big risk for the player to wait that long, but who knows, maybe it works out better for both sides if it results in him landing here.

[Dwinsgames]

IMO it would not be a prudent move by the Steelers to pay anywhere close to that amount for the " backup" . reason being Bell makes less than 500k , you sing his relief for 6x as much you are putting bell in an uncomfortable spot and yourself in a worse spot if he in any way takes issue with the difference in pay vs workload ..he is a nice kid , a good kid , but those kind of figures would be disturbing to his Human side ...

Next season he would be wanting a new deal a significantly higher paid deal , sometimes its best to leave a sleeping dog lay

[GBMelBlount]

Bells feelings should not have anything to do with the decision imo.

[salamander]

On one hand, I agree with Dwins. On the other hand, Bell has to realize that he's still only in his 2nd season and signing a guy like MJD warrants more money because of his body of work and veteran status.

[GBMelBlount]

On one hand, I agree with Dwins. On the other hand, Bell has to realize that he's still only in his 2nd season and signing a guy like MJD warrants more money because of his body of work and veteran status.

If Bell is half a man and has anything even resembling testacles this should motivate him to work that much harder.

Competition is good.

[steelreserve]

IMO it would not be a prudent move by the Steelers to pay anywhere close to that amount for the " backup" . reason being Bell makes less than 500k , you sing his relief for 6x as much you are putting bell in an uncomfortable spot and yourself in a worse spot if he in any way takes issue with the difference in pay vs workload ..he is a nice kid , a good kid , but those kind of figures would be disturbing to his Human side ...

Next season he would be wanting a new deal a significantly higher paid deal , sometimes its best to leave a sleeping dog lay


Seriously? Drafting a RB should not mean that you are only allowed to have other RBs who make the league minimum. I think Bell understands what a rookie contract is.

Almost everybody on the team makes more than him, and that will most likely include one or two running backs before all is said and done. That's how the CBA works, and I have not heard of anyone even threatening a holdout or a work slowdown over a rookie contract, even quarterbacks who are lined up for eight-figure salaries easy. My suspicion is that if someone actually tried to, he would be virtually blacklisted in the league as a malcontent, given all the acrimony that went into securing the rookie wage scale in the first place.

[Dwinsgames]

ok lets say for a moment we sign a backup to a 3 million a year gig for 2 years , at the end of that two years just what are you expecting Bell to ask for in terms of a raise when his backup the prior two years mad e3 mill a year ?

you want that mess ? I don't

sign a guy for vet min or close to it and you do not have these issues moving forward

[Psycho Ward 86]

IMO it would not be a prudent move by the Steelers to pay anywhere close to that amount for the " backup" . reason being Bell makes less than 500k , you sing his relief for 6x as much you are putting bell in an uncomfortable spot and yourself in a worse spot if he in any way takes issue with the difference in pay vs workload ..he is a nice kid , a good kid , but those kind of figures would be disturbing to his Human side ...

Next season he would be wanting a new deal a significantly higher paid deal , sometimes its best to leave a sleeping dog lay

um...what? Leveon bell is on his rookie deal. of course he doesnt get paid shit. that has little to nothing to do with what MJD is getting paid which is a so-so asking price of $3million off a 2nd contract (or is it the 3rd? same point either way). why would he at all feel threatened by a guy who might have to wait for a job in the summer on most likely a one year prove-it deal. a guy who is almost 30, coming off 2 bad seasons and a very serious liscranc injury (which frequently means death for a football career). hell, leveon bell would probably relish being mentored by one of the most physical and versatile backs in the league, instead of the scrubs/crippled hyphen we had last season

do you think richard sherman loses sleep at night because alterraun verner gets paid like 7 times more than him? no, because he knows his time with a substantially bigger contract will come

[Psycho Ward 86]

ok lets say for a moment we sign a backup to a 3 million a year gig for 2 years , at the end of that two years just what are you expecting Bell to ask for in terms of a raise when his backup the prior two years mad e3 mill a year ?

you want that mess ? I don't

sign a guy for vet min or close to it and you do not have these issues moving forward

i dont understand what youre saying. you think bell would ask for crazy starter money based on what his back up is making? ive never heard of that before. players and their agents seem to base their worth about their peers with similiar levels of production and i expect leveon to do the same at the end of his rookie contract. if we signed MJD, everyone would still know he could break at any moment or be on his last legs, but he still has the potential to light it up again. Even if he lights it up, everyone knows it wont be for long, evidentally based on the immense lack of leverage and luck he is having in free agency. MJD is no threat to supplant any starter for a long time, and certainly not someone a young, healthy, and rising talent will compare $$$ with

[steelreserve]

ok lets say for a moment we sign a backup to a 3 million a year gig for 2 years , at the end of that two years just what are you expecting Bell to ask for in terms of a raise when his backup the prior two years mad e3 mill a year ?

you want that mess ? I don't

sign a guy for vet min or close to it and you do not have these issues moving forward


If Bell is any good, he's going to want twice MJD's asking price anyway. And if he's not commanding $5M or $6M a year, he's probably not playing well enough to warrant bringing him back in a starting role. I just don't see it coming into play.

[Dwinsgames]

I am basing this off on my lifes experiences ...

I worked in a machine shop years ago , they had a two tier system of payment ...

the guys who had been there prior to the company buying the Shop got a raise every contract , anyone hired in after the date of the new company buying it made $2.50 an hour less than guys that where their longer REGARDLESS of responsibility ....

I ran a CnC machine on afternoon turn the guy on daylight made more than I did and put out less pieces a day , the janitor made 2.50 an hour more than me because he was in the other tier even though he produced nothing , he changed a light bulb once in awhile and pushed a broom across the floor ....

there where more of the " second tier guys" than first tier guys and NONE of us where happy to be making less money as doing as much or most times more work and being stuck on the shit turn because of seniority ....So I am telling you based on what I have experienced in life the guy doing the most work and getting the least amount of money is NOT going to be happy " rookie contract" or not

disagree if you like but until ( or unless ) you have been there , you won't fully understand it

[Steelerette]

If the next seasons prove that Bell deserves 5+ mil/season on his next contract then no problem. If not it gets real hairy. Blount would come cheaper and be a better signing IMO. I don't see the problem with signing someone now, but it could turn into one when Bell's rookie deal is up.

[Psycho Ward 86]

I am basing this off on my lifes experiences ...

I worked in a machine shop years ago , they had a two tier system of payment ...

the guys who had been there prior to the company buying the Shop got a raise every contract , anyone hired in after the date of the new company buying it made $2.50 an hour less than guys that where their longer REGARDLESS of responsibility ....

I ran a CnC machine on afternoon turn the guy on daylight made more than I did and put out less pieces a day , the janitor made 2.50 an hour more than me because he was in the other tier even though he produced nothing , he changed a light bulb once in awhile and pushed a broom across the floor ....

there where more of the " second tier guys" than first tier guys and NONE of us where happy to be making less money as doing as much or most times more work and being stuck on the shit turn because of seniority ....So I am telling you based on what I have experienced in life the guy doing the most work and getting the least amount of money is NOT going to be happy " rookie contract" or not

disagree if you like but until ( or unless ) you have been there , you won't fully understand it

doesnt work like that in the NFL because of the rookie pay scale. You think richard sherman is going to lose sleep over ike taylor making over $1million more than him next season? no, because he knows his time will come, and it will come with a vengeance. (sorry if that sounds condescending, that was not my intention)

in other news, looks like alex carrington signed with the rams: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/03/rams-sign-bills-free-agent-dl-alex-carrington/

[tube517]

in other news, looks like alex carrington signed with the rams: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/03...ex-carrington/

Damn

[Steelerette]

Colbert thinks this is a deep draft for DE. And it is, but... we have way too many needs not to snap up opportunities like that.

[Shoes]

My experience has been if I agree to X dollars, I can't complain who is making more money than me. I dig in, do my job and then some, and it has always worked out well in the $ category later on. Bell signed a contract as a rookie, MJD paid his dues as a vet. And they are all making more money than they should! :chuckle:

[fansince'76]

If Bell is any good, he's going to want twice MJD's asking price anyway. And if he's not commanding $5M or $6M a year, he's probably not playing well enough to warrant bringing him back in a starting role. I just don't see it coming into play.

With all the emphasis on passing, the neutering of defenses through rule changes and all the points being scored, unless the guy is a once-in-a-generation talent (see Adrian Peterson), I don't think ANY RB is worth $5-$6 million a year nowadays.

[steelreserve]

With all the emphasis on passing, the neutering of defenses through rule changes and all the points being scored, unless the guy is a once-in-a-generation talent (see Adrian Peterson), I don't think ANY RB is worth $5-$6 million a year nowadays.

Heh, well maybe. A good RB has a lower market value than a good WR now, that's for sure. Why it's that much lower, I couldn't tell you; a RB and a receiver both gain, say, 1,200 yards, and the receiver is worth twice as much for some reason "because it's a passing league." Well, OK, I guess, but they do remember the RB still gained you 1,200 yards, right?

But anyway, the point is, I would think that after having a shitty, inconsistent running game for like 7 out of the past 9 years, Steelers fans of all people would realize the good it can do to at least be effective. Fair enough, you're not going to win many games just because you can run the ball, but you do need to do it well enough to keep the opponents on their toes. Otherwise, you're always facing 3rd-and-9, which makes you take 50 sacks a year, which makes everyone say they should spend $50M and four #1 draft picks to overhaul the entire offensive line, etc., etc.

To me, avoiding that (or at least a good portion of it) by paying one guy $5M or $6M is a good deal.

[fansince'76]

Heh, well maybe. A good RB has a lower market value than a good WR now, that's for sure. Why it's that much lower, I couldn't tell you; a RB and a receiver both gain, say, 1,200 yards, and the receiver is worth twice as much for some reason "because it's a passing league." Well, OK, I guess, but they do remember the RB still gained you 1,200 yards, right?

But anyway, the point is, I would think that after having a shitty, inconsistent running game for like 7 out of the past 9 years, Steelers fans of all people would realize the good it can do to at least be effective. Fair enough, you're not going to win many games just because you can run the ball, but you do need to do it well enough to keep the opponents on their toes. Otherwise, you're always facing 3rd-and-9, which makes you take 50 sacks a year, which makes everyone say they should spend $50M and four #1 draft picks to overhaul the entire offensive line, etc., etc.

To me, avoiding that (or at least a good portion of it) by paying one guy $5M or $6M is a good deal.

I see your point. However, I also think a big part of it is that the shelf life of a good RB tends to be a lot shorter than that of a good WR as well. They take so much more of a beating.

[NCSteeler]

With all the emphasis on passing, the neutering of defenses through rule changes and all the points being scored, unless the guy is a once-in-a-generation talent (see Adrian Peterson), I don't think ANY RB is worth $5-$6 million a year nowadays.

With all the emphasis on smaller coverage ILBers and more nickel, I could see this swinging in a few years time. A big Oline and decent RB could have their way with some of these defenses

[GBMelBlount]

With all the emphasis on smaller coverage ILBers and more nickel, I could see this swinging in a few years time. A big Oline and decent RB could have their way with some of these defenses

That is a good point.

If our line gels with Ben and a good stable of backs we could be putting up 30 points a game.

...of course our defense may be giving up 40. :grin:

[SteelMember]

Regardless of the dynamic, I think 3 million per for MJD is too much of a luxury for us... for a backup role.

3mil/8touches per game = @24,000 per touch... no way. we'll find another Redman/Dwyer and sign them both for that money.

[Dwinsgames]

Regardless of the dynamic, I think 3 million per for MJD is too much of a luxury for us... for a backup role.

3mil/8touches per game = @24,000 per touch... no way. we'll find another Redman/Dwyer and sign them both for that money.

not only that but the RB pos has been devalued league wide , MJD is living in a world where RBs had better value ( its what all his contracts where based on )

it is just a bad deal from the team perspective

[steelreserve]

I don't view it as $3M for 8 touches a game ... I view it as $3M for:

"Crap, the starting running back is banged up, or it just isn't his day. Damn, that seems to happen about 4 or 5 times every year. Well, I guess we have to try rotating 3 backs who all suck at running, so when none of them are effective we'll be trying to win with no ground game at all for the next couple of weeks. --WAIT! I totally remembered we have somebody good now."

Regardless, yeah, $3M is a lot for a backup, no matter how good he is. But at RB, you can pretty much expect the starter to be injured or at least under 100% effectiveness a good quarter of the season, so a backup is important. I could really go either way. But I think Blount would come cheaper while still being able to accomplish the basics of that job, so I'd probably lean toward that kind of a signing.

[Steelerette]

He's not in for a visit, but it's breaking that the Raiders are not going to re-sign Pat Sims. He didn't live up to expectations in Cincy but finally showed some life in Oakland last season but now they're moving on. With his frame and play, I think he'd fit in nice as a 3-4 end and may be even a better bet than Carrington...

[steelreserve]

Forget 3-4 DE, Sims would make a damn good DT too. He was a guy who would fit our situation perfectly ... veteran who you know has talent, but much cheaper than he normally would be because he's coming off an injury. No guarantees, but high reward if you take a shot and it pays off. Personally, I'm convinced the dude can still play. Barring another run of bad luck with injuries, that could be a great pickup.

[SteelMember]

I don't view it as $3M for 8 touches a game ... I view it as $3M for:

:chuckle:

I know it's not as cut and dried as that. It was more my perception of the front office's MO.
You could counter my oversimplified calculation with the premise of "what if all, or most of those touches were TD's". That's a lot of points for 3 million. Making it seem like a reasonable trade off. :scratchchin:

While I completely understand your injury worry, I would argue "you can't build your roster on what if's". Just look at last year. Our Center situation was almost comical, but we seemed to make due. I don't think any team would build their initial roster 3 deep, paying starter money to each just because of the possibility of an injury. That would be the exact definition of "luxury" I alluded to in the previous post.

Once you have your starter, you add a backup that offers some other kind of positional flexibility. You plan on those starters. If there is an injury, you deal with it then.
A premise stated earlier, which I agree with, is that MJD would not offer enough as far as snaps to justify that kind of money (I think this is where I formulated that equation). A backup RB that will not play special teams doesn't hold the flexibility you need for the value of that roster spot.

Anyway, just my .02. I think we all know that we have many holes to fill. That 3 million could go a long way as far as other reasonably priced FA's, or UDFA's after the draft.

[steelreserve]

:chuckle:

I know it's not as cut and dried as that. It was more my perception of the front office's MO.
You could counter my oversimplified calculation with the premise of "what if all, or most of those touches were TD's". That's a lot of points for 3 million. Making it seem like a reasonable trade off. :scratchchin:

While I completely understand your injury worry, I would argue "you can't build your roster on what if's". Just look at last year. Our Center situation was almost comical, but we seemed to make due. I don't think any team would build their initial roster 3 deep, paying starter money to each just because of the possibility of an injury. That would be the exact definition of "luxury" I alluded to in the previous post.

Once you have your starter, you add a backup that offers some other kind of positional flexibility. You plan on those starters. If there is an injury, you deal with it then.
A premise stated earlier, which I agree with, is that MJD would not offer enough as far as snaps to justify that kind of money (I think this is where I formulated that equation). A backup RB that will not play special teams doesn't hold the flexibility you need for the value of that roster spot.

Anyway, just my .02. I think we all know that we have many holes to fill. That 3 million could go a long way as far as other reasonably priced FA's, or UDFA's after the draft.


Yeah, I'm getting less and less excited about the Drew possibility for that reason. If we could, for example, get Blount and Sims for the same amount of money, I'd take that in a heartbeat. Or even if we just got Sims and saved some of the $3M in the process, that would be great too. Can you tell I'm happy Sims might be available?

[TMC]

Do not know if I want MJD for $3M a season or more, but if they sign ANY free agent runningback, he will make more in salary than Bell. Bell is on his rookie deal making him one of the cheaper players in the NFL. And, I am not going to base my signing of a player on his future expectations. If he can produce in his first 4 seasons like MJD has done in his career, sure, we can talk about him making more than MJD when his contract comes up. Hell, they would anyway. Agents base future contracts on existing contracts and where they think their guy fits, whether he is signed by Pittsburgh or anyone else.

Also, Bell cannot even begin to talk or ask for more money until after the 2015 season. Per the new CBA, no rookie can hold out for more money until after his 3rd accrued season. With Bell getting 860 yards in his rookie season, we do not know if he progresses and becomes a stud yet (so he can ask for that type of money) or if he backslides and becomes a Mendenhall.

The thing is, both sides have to wait 2 seasons before opening contract negotiations. It has to play out. I just cannot fathom the concept of not adding a RB for 2 years in an effort to keep the price down on a player that may not develop and demand a higher price. If he does develop and demand a higher price, I also do not see how the players signed prior to that date increasing his asking price.

Bottom line, if Bell performs, he will want $5M a season or more when his contract comes up. If they sign MJD for $3M a season, that won't even be a speed bump in the Bell negotiations.

[Mojouw]

Too many good posts to quote them all. Plus that would be a lot of cutting and pasting and I am a lazy man.

Almost any veteran back-up worth anything is going to make more than Bell. I guess that is the good of the new rookie wage scale for the teams and the bad bit for the players. Makes one wonder if eventually teams will "buy-out" bits of the original rookie deal for rising young players to get good #'s on a long-term deal? Thinking kinda like baseball here...realizing that the contract structures are different, but something to think about.

I guess playing contract footsie with MJD all depends on whether the team is getting the injured, less dynamic player of 2013 or a veteran and declining. but still dynamic player of previous seasons. MJD was (maybe still is) a holy terror in the passing game. One of the most productive backs in the league, etc ,etc. Say it takes $3 million to sign him. If you get some sort of version/production of vintage MJD in a back-up/mentor role...isn't that a better use of $3 million than throwing it at depth vets and UDFA lottery tickets?

Now, if you think MJD is basically toast, then yeah it is a waste of money.

[86WARD]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter) 8m (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/449284685076500480) RB Maurice Jones-Drew scheduled to fly to Oakland tonight to visit Raiders Fri. One source said there's "a good chance" Oakland signs MJD.

[Mojouw]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter) 8m (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/449284685076500480) RB Maurice Jones-Drew scheduled to fly to Oakland tonight to visit Raiders Fri. One source said there's "a good chance" Oakland signs MJD.

The Raiders make no sense. They are essentially replacing their own FA's with worse ones throughout the off-season. Either they are bad at evaluating talent or it is too toxic to keep anyone there.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter) 8m (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/449284685076500480) RB Maurice Jones-Drew scheduled to fly to Oakland tonight to visit Raiders Fri. One source said there's "a good chance" Oakland signs MJD.

lol probably. the raiders are going ape shit for aging injury prone vets for whatever reason. what a waste of their enormous cap space

[steelreserve]

The Raiders make no sense. They are essentially replacing their own FA's with worse ones throughout the off-season. Either they are bad at evaluating talent or it is too toxic to keep anyone there.


Can't it be both?

[tube517]

Jaguars to the Raiders. Yikes.

[LLT]

He's not in for a visit, but it's breaking that the Raiders are not going to re-sign Pat Sims. He didn't live up to expectations in Cincy but finally showed some life in Oakland last season but now they're moving on. With his frame and play, I think he'd fit in nice as a 3-4 end and may be even a better bet than Carrington...

Hmmmmm....Sims started to put it together at the end of the season, but that was as a DT. I have some serious doubts about him moving to a 5 technique. He has the explosiveness that one would like there, but loses a lot of his power when he is upright. Doesnt seem to possess the hand placement skillset, one would want in a 3-4 DE...and as the saying goes...3-4 DE's should be "Strong and Long". Sims might have the functional strength but he doesnt have the length. I would be more inclined to ignore his frame if he didnt have leverage issues when upright.

[zulater]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter) 8m (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/449284685076500480) RB Maurice Jones-Drew scheduled to fly to Oakland tonight to visit Raiders Fri. One source said there's "a good chance" Oakland signs MJD.

There was never a chance the Steelers were going to sign MJD in my opinion. It worries me that they even entertained the notion.
Jones Drew held out with a valid contract while a Jaguar. To think he wasn't going to get every dollar out there on the free agent market for a chance to play with the Steelers was pure fantasy.

[Mojouw]

There was never a chance the Steelers were going to sign MJD in my opinion. It worries me that they even entertained the notion.
Jones Drew held out with a valid contract while a Jaguar. To think he wasn't going to get every dollar out there on the free agent market for a chance to play with the Steelers was pure fantasy.

Why not entertain the notion? I don' think their whole off-season was built around it or anything. Why not bring the guy in, have your docs look at his knees and feet, talk to him about role, and then ask him so how much money do you want? If the Steelers don't like his answer, you shake the dude's hand and wish him luck. Then you move on to the next guy on the list - Blount.

What is to worry about?

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Can't it be both?

I guess I hadn't thought of that. I guess it really is a black hole. Of suck.

[zulater]

Why not entertain the notion? I don' think their whole off-season was built around it or anything. Why not bring the guy in, have your docs look at his knees and feet, talk to him about role, and then ask him so how much money do you want? If the Steelers don't like his answer, you shake the dude's hand and wish him luck. Then you move on to the next guy on the list - Blount.

What is to worry about?

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I guess I hadn't thought of that. I guess it really is a black hole. Of suck.

It's a waste of time that's all. Like a roofer looking at a Gulfstream. If the salesman wastes time on this guy he might lose a sale with an actual customer. Maybe they could have signed Moreno for instance if they hadn't wasted time on MJD.

[86WARD]

MJD shouldn't get more than $3M a year...the RB market is at a big time low. It's actually a great time to be in the market for a back up. If Toby Gerhardt, Ben Tate and Donald Brown are getting $3.5, Moreno just got $2M, DMac got $1.75M...MJD should fall into the $3M range and Blount should fall at about half that.

[GBMelBlount]

MJD shouldn't get more than $3M a year...the RB market is at a big time low. It's actually a great time to be in the market for a back up. If Toby Gerhardt, Ben Tate and Donald Brown are getting $3.5, Moreno just got $2M, DMac got $1.75M...

MJD should fall into the $3M range and Blount should fall at about half that.

$1.5 mil for a solid backup doesn't sound bad.