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Dwinsgames
12-04-2013, 03:29 PM
Colberts first 8 years

2008 1 1 23 23 Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois
2 2 22 53 Limas Sweed WR Texas
3 3 25 88 Bruce Davis LB UCLA
4 4 31 130 Tony Hills T Texas
5 5 21 156 Dennis Dixon QB Oregon
6 6 22 188 Mike Humpal LB Iowa
7 6 28 194 Ryan Mundy DB West Virginia

2007 1 1 15 15 Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
2 2 14 46 LaMarr Woodley DE Michigan
3 3 13 77 Matt Spaeth TE Minnesota
4 4 13 112 Daniel Sepulveda P Baylor
5 4 33 132 Ryan McBean DE Oklahoma State
6 5 19 156 Cameron Stephenson G Rutgers
7 5 33 170 William Gay DB Louisville
8 7 17 227 Dallas Baker WR Florida

2006 1 1 25 25 Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
2 3 19 83 Anthony Smith DB Syracuse
3 3 31 95 Willie Reid WR Florida State
4 4 34 131 Willie Colon G Hofstra
5 4 36 133 Orien Harris DT Miami (FL)
6 5 32 164 Omar Jacobs QB Bowling Green
7 5 35 167 Charles Davis TE Purdue
8 6 32 201 Marvin Philip C California
9 7 32 240 Cedric Humes RB Virginia Tech

2005 1 1 30 30 Heath Miller TE Virginia
2 2 30 62 Bryant McFadden DB Florida State
3 3 29 93 Trai Essex T Northwestern
4 4 30 131 Fred Gibson WR Georgia
5 5 30 166 Rian Wallace LB Temple
6 6 30 204 Chris Kemoeatu G Utah
7 7 14 228 Shaun Nua DE Brigham Young
8 7 30 244 Noah Herron RB Northwestern

2004 1 1 11 11 Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami (OH)
2 2 6 38 Ricardo Colclough DB Tusculum
3 3 12 75 Max Starks T Florida
4 5 13 145 Nathaniel Adibi DE Virginia Tech
5 6 12 177 Bo Lacy T Arkansas
6 6 29 194 Matt Kranchick TE Penn State
7 6 32 197 Drew Caylor C Stanford
8 7 11 212 Eric Taylor DT Memphis

2003 1 1 16 16 Troy Polamalu DB USC
2 2 27 59 Alonzo Jackson DE Florida State
3 4 28 125 Ivan Taylor DB Louisiana-Lafayette
4 5 28 163 Brian St. Pierre QB Boston College
5 7 28 242 J.T. Wall RB Georgia

2002 1 1 30 30 Kendall Simmons G Auburn
2 2 30 62 Antwaan Randle El WR Indiana
3 3 29 94 Chris Hope DB Florida State
4 4 30 128 Larry Foote LB Michigan
5 5 31 166 Verron Haynes RB Georgia
6 6 30 202 Lee Mays WR Texas-El Paso
7 7 1 212 LaVar Glover DB Cincinnati
8 7 31 242 Brett Keisel DE Brigham Young

2001 1 1 19 19 Casey Hampton DT Texas
2 2 8 39 Kendrell Bell LB Georgia
3 4 16 111 Mathias Nkwenti T Temple
4 5 15 146 Chukky Okabi C Purdue
5 6 18 181 Rodney Bailey DE Ohio State
6 6 19 182 Roger Knight LB Wisconsin
7 7 18 218 Chris Taylor WR Texas A&M

2000 1 1 8 8 Plaxico Burress WR Michigan State
2 2 7 38 Marvel Smith T Arizona State
3 3 10 72 Kendrick Clancy DT Mississippi
4 3 15 77 Hank Poteat DB Pittsburgh
5 4 9 103 Danny Farmer WR UCLA
6 5 8 137 Clark Haggans LB Colorado State
7 5 34 163 Tee Martin QB Tennessee
8 6 7 173 Chris Combs DE Duke
9 6 38 204 Jason Gavadza TE Kent State




Donahoe first 8 years


1999 1 1 13 13 Troy Edwards WR Louisiana Tech
2 2 28 59 Scott Shields DB Weber State
3 3 12 73 Joey Porter DE Colorado State
4 3 13 74 Kris Farris T UCLA
5 3 34 95 Amos Zereoue RB West Virginia
6 4 14 109 Aaron Smith DE Northern Colorado
7 5 3 136 Jerame Tuman TE Michigan
8 5 33 166 Malcolm Johnson WR Notre Dame
9 7 8 214 Antonio Dingle DT Virginia
10 7 13 219 Chad Kelsay LB Nebraska
11 7 22 228 Kris Brown K Nebraska

1998 1 1 26 26 Alan Faneca G Louisiana State
2 2 11 41 Jeremy Staat DE Arizona State
3 3 5 66 Chris Conrad T Fresno State
4 3 31 92 Hines Ward WR Georgia
5 4 25 117 Deshea Townsend DB Alabama
6 4 31 123 Carlos King RB North Carolina State
7 5 14 137 Jason Simmons DB Arizona State
8 6 25 178 Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala RB Utah
9 6 33 186 Ryan Olson DT Colorado
10 7 32 221 Angel Rubio DT Southeast Missouri State

1997 1 1 24 24 Chad Scott DB Maryland
2 2 23 53 Will Blackwell WR San Diego State
3 3 22 82 Paul Wiggins T Oregon
4 3 31 91 Mike Vrabel DE Ohio State
5 5 24 154 George Jones RB San Diego State
6 6 23 186 Daryl Porter DB Boston College
7 6 36 199 Rod Manuel DE Oklahoma
8 7 22 223 Michael Adams WR Texas

1996 1 1 29 29 Jamain Stephens T North Carolina A&T
2 3 11 72 Steven Conley LB Arkansas
3 3 31 92 Jon Witman RB Penn State
4 4 31 126 Earl Holmes LB Florida A&M
5 4 37 132 Jahine Arnold WR Fresno State
6 5 31 163 Israel Raybon DE North Alabama
7 6 33 200 Orpheus Roye DE Florida State
8 6 36 203 Spence Fischer QB Duke
9 7 33 242 Carlos Emmons LB Arkansas State

1995 1 1 27 27 Mark Bruener TE Washington
2 2 28 60 Kordell Stewart QB Colorado
3 3 27 91 Brenden Stai G Nebraska
4 4 22 120 Oliver Gibson DE Notre Dame
5 4 27 125 Donta Jones LB Nebraska
6 5 17 151 Lethon Flowers DB Georgia Tech
7 5 27 161 Lance Brown DB Indiana
8 6 28 199 Barron Miles DB Nebraska
9 7 27 235 Henry Bailey WR UNLV
10 7 39 247 Cole Ford K USC

1994 1 1 17 17 Charles Johnson WR Colorado
2 2 21 50 Brentson Buckner DE Clemson
3 3 23 88 Jason Gildon LB Oklahoma State
4 3 26 91 Bam Morris RB Texas Tech
5 4 19 122 Taase Faumui DE Hawaii
6 5 9 140 Myron Bell DB Michigan State
7 5 17 148 Gary Brown T Georgia Tech
8 6 17 178 Jim Miller QB Michigan State
9 6 19 180 Eric Ravotti LB Penn State
10 7 15 209 Brice Abrams RB Michigan State

1993 1 1 23 23 Deon Figures DB Colorado
2 2 15 44 Chad Brown LB Colorado
3 3 20 76 Andre Hastings WR Georgia
4 4 24 108 Kevin Henry DE Mississippi State
5 5 23 135 Lonnie Palelei G UNLV
6 5 28 140 Marc Woodard LB Mississippi State
7 6 22 162 Willie Williams DB Western Carolina
8 7 17 185 Jeff Zgonina DT Purdue
9 7 21 189 Craig Keith TE Lenoir-Rhyne
10 8 20 216 Alex Van Pelt QB Pittsburgh

1992 1 1 11 11 Leon Searcy T Miami (FL)
2 2 10 38 Levon Kirkland LB Clemson
3 3 11 67 Joel Steed DT Colorado
4 4 10 94 Charles Davenport WR North Carolina State
5 5 11 123 Alan Haller DB Michigan State
6 7 11 179 Russ Campbell TE Kansas State
7 7 20 188 Scottie Graham RB Ohio State
8 8 7 203 Darren Perry DB Penn State
9 8 10 206 Hesham Ismail G Florida
10 8 19 215 Nate Williams DT Mississippi State
11 9 11 235 Elnardo Webster LB Rutgers
12 10 10 262 Mike Saunders RB Iowa
13 11 11 291 Kendall Gammon G Pittsburg State (KS)
14 12 10 318 Cornelius Benton QB Connecticut

1991 1 1 15 15 Huey Richardson LB Florida
2 2 19 46 Jeff Graham WR Ohio State
3 3 18 73 Ernie Mills WR Florida
4 4 5 88 Sammy Walker DB Texas Tech
5 4 20 103 Adrian Cooper TE Oklahoma
6 6 19 158 Leroy Thompson RB Penn State
7 7 18 185 Andre Jones LB Notre Dame
8 8 17 212 Dean Dingman G Michigan
9 9 15 238 Bruce McGonnigal TE Virginia
10 10 19 269 Ariel Solomon T Colorado
11 11 18 296 Efrum Thomas DB Alabama
12 12 17 323 Jeff Brady LB Kentucky


RED equals what I consider a critical miss , player just was not worthy of the draft spot , I limited those to the first 4 rounds only as after that it gets far more difficult to pluck good players ( not impossible just tougher ) a few guys I did not give the red notation to because they where either not complete busts or an injury kind of ruined their careers from my perspective .... your views may vary

Dwinsgames
12-04-2013, 03:41 PM
looks to me like Donahoe did an over all better job , but both had multiple critical misses in the early part of the draft that are inexcusable ... if one can be run out of town for poor performance no reason we should expect Colbert to be staying on much longer

Devilsdancefloor
12-04-2013, 05:06 PM
i will never forgive Donahoe for letting rod woodson walk

Seven
12-05-2013, 12:31 AM
Dwins, I just saw this thread. Sorry I made one very similar just a few hours later: http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/18874-NFL-Draft-Colbert-Cowher-vs-Colbert-Tomlin

I would have waited had I seen this. I know Cowher vs. Tomlin and Donahoe vs. Colbert is very different, but the premise is similar.

I'm really too young to have an opinion of Donahoe's tenure with any sort of conviction. I had no idea Mark Bruener was a first round selection. I always wonder how disappointing Troy Edwards was. A first round receiver is an exciting commodity to draft. Were the fans extremely upset when he flamed out?

Dwinsgames
12-05-2013, 01:11 AM
it does have the same premise to a point but a very different angle and like any issue if all angles are not examined you truly can not make a proper assessment so both threads serve a purpose ....

that being said ...

Edwards was a classic example of how badly you can fail in the draft when drafting for pure need , there was nothing best player available or even a combination of best player available combined with a pos of need in this scenario ... they wanted a WR and they wore blinders to every other player on the board and they took the most productive college player on the board and assumed or prayed ( perhaps both ) that it worked out and it did not even come close ....

Edwards IMO would have made a decent pro as a slot WR but he was never really anything more than that and he would have been a nice pick in the 3rd or 4th round for that job but never should have been drafted prior to the 3rd round half the free world knew ( or at least felt ) it was a mistake when it happened ....

when he failed to deliver most where not surprised but still a lot of unhappy fans both of the ones who knew/suspected it was a bad pick to the ones who didn't have a clue but hoped the FO knew what they where doing ...

Bruener was a hell of a pick , he will never be a guy who jumps off the page at you when looking back at the draft class but that kid could block like a tackle and he had hands too , we just rarely utilized them ... he had nearly as many catches in college as he had in the 9 or 10 years he spent in Pittsburgh

Seven
12-05-2013, 01:23 AM
it does have the same premise to a point but a very different angle and like any issue if all angles are not examined you truly can not make a proper assessment so both threads serve a purpose ....

that being said ...

Edwards was a classic example of how badly you can fail in the draft when drafting for pure need , there was nothing best player available or even a combination of best player available combined with a pos of need in this scenario ... they wanted a WR and they wore blinders to every other player on the board and they took the most productive college player on the board and assumed or prayed ( perhaps both ) that it worked out and it did not even come close ....

Edwards IMO would have made a decent pro as a slot WR but he was never really anything more than that and he would have been a nice pick in the 3rd or 4th round for that job but never should have been drafted prior to the 3rd round half the free world knew ( or at least felt ) it was a mistake when it happened ....

when he failed to deliver most where not surprised but still a lot of unhappy fans both of the ones who knew/suspected it was a bad pick to the ones who didn't have a clue but hoped the FO knew what they where doing ...

Bruener was a hell of a pick , he will never be a guy who jumps off the page at you when looking back at the draft class but that kid could block like a tackle and he had hands too , we just rarely utilized them ... he had nearly as many catches in college as he had in the 9 or 10 years he spent in Pittsburgh

Thanks, I've always seen Edwards mentioned as a bust and was aware of him by name but I never really understood what the issues with him were. I have always thought though that the team probably realized he wasn't going to work out pretty quickly seeing as they selected Plaxico the following year.

2002 was the first year I watched the Steelers for an entire season (I'm 24) and even though I didn't really understand the game, Bruener always stuck out to me as someone who I thought was a good player.

Alonzo Jackson was really the first time I realized that drafted players can "bust" haha.

Mojouw
12-05-2013, 08:21 AM
Dwins, I just saw this thread. Sorry I made one very similar just a few hours later: http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/18874-NFL-Draft-Colbert-Cowher-vs-Colbert-Tomlin

I would have waited had I seen this. I know Cowher vs. Tomlin and Donahoe vs. Colbert is very different, but the premise is similar.

I'm really too young to have an opinion of Donahoe's tenure with any sort of conviction. I had no idea Mark Bruener was a first round selection. I always wonder how disappointing Troy Edwards was. A first round receiver is an exciting commodity to draft. Were the fans extremely upset when he flamed out?

Edwards was even more maddening of a pick a bit after he flamed out as well. Look who the team drafted in the 4th round just one year earlier. I think it took the team a bit longer than it should have to realize what they had in Hines Ward. Hindsight being 20/20, Edwards should have never been drafted. But the team was in a run where they were desperate for an upgrade on offense and it wasn't going to come at QB...so they were drafting WR's left right and center. Look at the stretch of stellar names this team tried at WR from 1995-1999.

jb500ex
12-05-2013, 07:16 PM
Difference between the two is Donahue got several good Players from most drafts when Colbert is lucky to get one or two. Donahue was far better

one side only
12-06-2013, 09:10 AM
Don't forget Troy Edwards' blunder in the AFC Championship Game after the 2001 season cost them a shot at the Super Bowl.

fansince'76
12-06-2013, 10:59 AM
Difference between the two is Donahue got several good Players from most drafts when Colbert is lucky to get one or two. Donahue was far better

Uh, you might want to look at the 1996 AND 1997 drafts again. For as much flak that Colbert gets for 2008, those two drafts were every bit as bad, if not worse. Not to mention the "masterstroke" of taking Troy Edwards and Scott Shields in the first two rounds in 1999. Joey Porter in the 3rd and Aaron Smith in the 6th is the only thing that saved that draft from being a complete washout as well. And do I have to mention Huey Richardson? Colbert's first pick with the team (Burress) may have been a head case, but at least he was productive. Donahoe had more than his share of misses too.

Dwinsgames
12-06-2013, 11:27 AM
Uh, you might want to look at the 1996 AND 1997 drafts again. For as much flak that Colbert gets for 2008, those two drafts were every bit as bad, if not worse. Not to mention the "masterstroke" of taking Troy Edwards and Scott Shields in the first two rounds in 1999. Joey Porter in the 3rd and Aaron Smith in the 6th is the only thing that saved that draft from being a complete washout as well. And do I have to mention Huey Richardson? Colbert's first pick with the team (Burress) may have been a head case, but at least he was productive. Donahoe had more than his share of misses too.

well maybe you are not that old ( not sure of your age ) , and maybe you follow the Steelers specifically and not so much the rest of the league ( again I do not know those answers ) but both of those drafts where decent enough ( not nearly dreadful as suggested IMO )

96
3 3 31 92 Jon Witman RB Penn State ---- perhaps the best blocking FB in the league during his time as a pro http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WitmJo00.htm
4 4 31 126 Earl Holmes LB Florida A&M very good linebacker http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HolmEa20.htm
5 4 37 132 Jahine Arnold WR Fresno State pretty decent PR and decent WR but had LOTS of injury issues and could never stay healthy but talent was not the question here
7 6 33 200 Orpheus Roye DE Florida State for a late round pick not sure what more one could expect http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoyeOr20.htm
9 7 33 242 Carlos Emmons LB Arkansas State had a pretty nice career in the league , just not as a Steeler http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EmmoCa20.htm


1997
1 1 24 24 Chad Scott DB Maryland couple knee injuries ruined his legacy but you can't blame the pick here he still played a pretty long time in the league as a starter ( even though many hated him )
4 3 31 91 Mike Vrabel DE Ohio State .... The team did not see the value many others did , he had a stellar career in NE an finished it up with a couple nice years in KC ...he never got the chance in the burgh not exactly a draft miscue more like a team miss evaluation once he was here

I would go on to say Vrabel himself out performed the entire 2008 draft class of the Steelers , he just did not do so wearing Black N Gold http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VrabMi20.htm

Dwinsgames
12-06-2013, 11:33 AM
as for 99 ....

3 3 12 73 Joey Porter DE Colorado State
5 3 34 95 Amos Zereoue RB West Virginia ... we may not have loved him but he did start some games for us
6 4 14 109 Aaron Smith DE Northern Colorado
7 5 3 136 Jerame Tuman TE Michigan very under rated player , was an exceptional blocking TE
11 7 22 228 Kris Brown K Nebraska was a fine kicker while here and a long NFL career ( yea I know he is a kicker so almost doesn't count ) but at least it wasn't a 4th round punter

fansince'76
12-06-2013, 11:39 AM
well maybe you are not that old ( not sure of your age ) , and maybe you follow the Steelers specifically and not so much the rest of the league ( again I do not know those answers ) but both of those drafts where decent enough ( not nearly dreadful as suggested IMO )

96
3 3 31 92 Jon Witman RB Penn State ---- perhaps the best blocking FB in the league during his time as a pro http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WitmJo00.htm
4 4 31 126 Earl Holmes LB Florida A&M very good linebacker http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HolmEa20.htm
5 4 37 132 Jahine Arnold WR Fresno State pretty decent PR and decent WR but had LOTS of injury issues and could never stay healthy but talent was not the question here
7 6 33 200 Orpheus Roye DE Florida State for a late round pick not sure what more one could expect http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoyeOr20.htm
9 7 33 242 Carlos Emmons LB Arkansas State had a pretty nice career in the league , just not as a Steeler http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EmmoCa20.htm


1997
1 1 24 24 Chad Scott DB Maryland couple knee injuries ruined his legacy but you can't blame the pick here he still played a pretty long time in the league as a starter ( even though many hated him )
4 3 31 91 Mike Vrabel DE Ohio State .... The team did not see the value many others did , he had a stellar career in NE an finished it up with a couple nice years in KC ...he never got the chance in the burgh not exactly a draft miscue more like a team miss evaluation once he was here

I would go on to say Vrabel himself out performed the entire 2008 draft class of the Steelers , he just did not do so wearing Black N Gold http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VrabMi20.htm

My username should give some idea how old I am - and I'm old enough to remember those two drafts. Many also point to those two drafts as directly contributing factors in back-to-back losing seasons in '98 and '99. And neither Mendenhall or Sweed lacked talent either - they were both headcases. And in Sweed's case, I think Tomlin really handled him badly, which contributed to him being a headcase. And Mundy is still in the league as well, just not with us.

Dwinsgames
12-06-2013, 11:47 AM
My username should give some idea how old I am - and I'm old enough to remember those two drafts. Many also point to those two drafts as contributing factors to back-to-back losing seasons in '98 and '99. And neither Mendenhall or Sweed lacked talent either - they were both headcases. And in Sweed's case, I think Tomlin really handled him badly, which contributed to him being a headcase. And Mundy is still in the league as well, just not with us.



even with omitting Arnold still 4 very good football players came from that draft and on a pure numbers scenario ( amount of NFL players picked in a single draft that played in the league and made an impact on the game ) it rivals Colberts best drafts in that arena yet it is being considered as a bad draft .......

I would give my right nut for a draft as productive player wise ( numbers , that have the careers those guys did ) it would go a long ways toward getting us out of the hole we find ourselves in

BnG_Hevn
12-06-2013, 11:48 AM
Don't forget Troy Edwards' blunder in the AFC Championship Game after the 2001 season cost them a shot at the Super Bowl.

Wasn't that b/c Belicheat bitched about something to the refs? It was on a punt return and he had run out of bounds if I remember correctly.

I also remember, I think it was his first TD, him opening up his shirt to show a "Superman T-shirt" or something like that.

fansince'76
12-06-2013, 11:53 AM
even with omitting Arnold still 4 very good football players came from that draft and on a pure numbers scenario ( amount of NFL players picked in a single draft that played in the league and made an impact on the game ) it rivals Colberts best drafts in that arena yet it is being considered as a bad draft .......

I would give my right nut for a draft as productive player wise ( numbers , that have the careers those guys did ) it would go a long ways toward getting us out of the hole we find ourselves in

Again, we'll agree to disagree there...

fansince'76
12-06-2013, 11:58 AM
Don't forget Troy Edwards' blunder in the AFC Championship Game after the 2001 season cost them a shot at the Super Bowl.

I don't recall that nearly as well as being down 24-17 and having two possessions in the last 4 minutes of the game both ending with Kordell Stewart INTs...

Dwinsgames
12-06-2013, 12:05 PM
Again, we'll agree to disagree there...

exactly how many times has Colbert drafted us 4 solid NFL players in a single draft ? ( hint ONCE )

yet Donahoe gets bashed for a year in which he delivers 4 players from a singular draft while Colbert gets heralded for the same efforts

there in lies the point I am trying to make

fansince'76
12-06-2013, 12:11 PM
exactly how many times has Colbert drafted us 4 solid NFL players in a single draft ? ( hint ONCE )

yet Donahoe gets bashed for a year in which he delivers 4 players from a singular draft while Colbert gets heralded for the same efforts

there in lies the point I am trying to make

And the scale defining "solid player" seems to be a sliding one between Donahoe and Colbert based on selective memory and seems to be generally due to the "current guy always sucks and the last guy was always better after he's gone" mentality. None of those 4 "solid players" made the Steelers appreciably better, IMO. Yet people constantly shit on Colbert because he doesn't replicate the '74 draft on an annual basis. Therein lies the point I'm trying to make.

Dwinsgames
12-06-2013, 12:22 PM
And the scale defining "solid player" seems to be a sliding one between Donahoe and Colbert based on selective memory and seems to be generally due to the "current guy always sucks and the last guy was always better after he's gone" mentality. None of those 4 "solid players" made the Steelers appreciably better, IMO. Yet people constantly shit on Colbert because he doesn't replicate the '74 draft on an annual basis. Therein lies the point I'm trying to make.

96
3 3 31 92 Jon Witman RB Penn State ---- perhaps the best blocking FB in the league during his time as a pro http://www.pro-football-reference.co...W/WitmJo00.htm (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WitmJo00.htm)
4 4 31 126 Earl Holmes LB Florida A&M very good linebacker http://www.pro-football-reference.co...H/HolmEa20.htm (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HolmEa20.htm)

7 6 33 200 Orpheus Roye DE Florida State for a late round pick not sure what more one could expect http://www.pro-football-reference.co...R/RoyeOr20.htm (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoyeOr20.htm)
9 7 33 242 Carlos Emmons LB Arkansas State had a pretty nice career in the league , just not as a Steeler http://www.pro-football-reference.co...E/EmmoCa20.htm (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EmmoCa20.htm)


the memory may fail , but the numbers don't lie ....

so yes we will agree to disagree

enjoy your day friend :)

one side only
12-06-2013, 01:20 PM
I don't recall that nearly as well as being down 24-17 and having two possessions in the last 4 minutes of the game both ending with Kordell Stewart INTs...

The penalty on the punt that lead to a punt return for a TD set the tone for the entire game. The Steelers were shellshocked. Big difference between the Patriots having the ball inside their 30 and going up 7 - 0.