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11-24-2013, 03:28 PM
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Mistah Q
11-24-2013, 03:29 PM
Proves we can get along without Woodley and his massive contract. Heyward belongs. Hood doesn't.

Solid gameplan. Ben noticeably tapered off after some point in the third quarter.

Maybe we'll be able to draft CB, ILB, or TE after all.

stillers4me
11-24-2013, 03:32 PM
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ALLD
11-24-2013, 03:36 PM
The Browns are going to fade the rest of the season. They are bad now as the Steelers were the first five games and they are only going to get worse. At least we are on the rise and are contending.

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11-24-2013, 03:38 PM
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11-24-2013, 03:51 PM
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fansince'76
11-24-2013, 04:05 PM
The Browns are going to fade the rest of the season. They are bad now as the Steelers were the first five games and they are only going to get worse. At least we are on the rise and are contending.

I'm becoming more and more proud of this team by the week. They could have very easily laid down the way Houston and Atlanta did when they were 2-6, but they didn't. This season is very much salvageable at this point.

stillers4me
11-24-2013, 04:11 PM
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X-Terminator
11-24-2013, 04:13 PM
I'm becoming more and more proud of this team by the week. They could have very easily laid down the way Houston and Atlanta did when they were 2-6, but they didn't. This season is very much salvageable at this point.

Considering that everyone wanted Mike Tomlin run out of town on a rail just 2 weeks ago, how about a little credit to him for his role in getting the ship righted? Like I said last week, if the Steelers somehow make the playoffs after everything that has happened to them this season, he should win Coach of the Year again.

Mistah Q
11-24-2013, 04:13 PM
There's a very doable path to the playoffs for us.

Which I think might be unfortunate. I always want the Steelers to win. But we have a weak schedule in a bad conference and squeaking into the playoffs is probably going to halt us from making any of the necessary personnel changes... and of course will leave us in position to certainly not win a super bowl, just be billed with the crappy draft spot lol

I think our primary needs are going to be, in no particular order, ILB, LG, CB, TE. As much as I believe DeCastro should be at LG, it probably isn't going to happen, we can get by with Beachum/Brown/etc at LT if we have someone real at LG. We may even be an LG away from having a more or less complete line situation - both starters and depth.

stillers4me
11-24-2013, 04:13 PM
Tomlin at Gay's pick 6.

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Mistah Q
11-24-2013, 04:14 PM
Considering that everyone wanted Mike Tomlin run out of town on a rail just 2 weeks ago, how about a little credit to him for his role in getting the ship righted? Like I said last week, if the Steelers somehow make the playoffs after everything that has happened to them this season, he should win Coach of the Year again.
Still not a Tomlin fan at all. He tries to be glib, it doesn't work. He doesn't get the team focused. I'm going to have to hand credit to LeBeau, Ben, and perhaps Haley, with a little bit of luck in Beachum and Velasco working out.

stillers4me
11-24-2013, 04:15 PM
Get used to it, son!
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X-Terminator
11-24-2013, 04:16 PM
Still not a Tomlin fan at all. He tries to be glib, it doesn't work. He doesn't get the team focused. I'm going to have to hand credit to LeBeau, Ben, and perhaps Haley.

I'll give you credit for at least sticking to your guns, but I still think this is ridiculous. If the head coach gets all the blame when everything goes wrong, then he should get credit when things go right. He could have easily folded up the tents and gone home, but it did not happen.

fansince'76
11-24-2013, 04:18 PM
Considering that everyone wanted Mike Tomlin run out of town on a rail just 2 weeks ago, how about a little credit to him for his role in getting the ship righted? Like I said last week, if the Steelers somehow make the playoffs after everything that has happened to them this season, he should win Coach of the Year again.

Preaching to the choir with me, Eric. But I think you know that.

stillers4me
11-24-2013, 04:20 PM
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fansince'76
11-24-2013, 04:21 PM
Get used to it, son!
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You're not in Georgia anymore, Jarvis! :chuckle:

stillers4me
11-24-2013, 04:32 PM
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Still not a Tomlin fan at all. He tries to be glib, it doesn't work. He doesn't get the team focused. I'm going to have to hand credit to LeBeau, Ben, and perhaps Haley, with a little bit of luck in Beachum and Velasco working out.

What a coach says to the media and what a coach does and says in front of his team are two vastly different things. Mike Tomlin has coached two teams to Superbowls and is digging this one out of a deep, deep hole. All the other coaches answer to him. He deserves the credit for it.

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X-Terminator
11-24-2013, 04:32 PM
What a coach says to the media and what a coach does and says in front of his team are two vastly different things. Mike Tomlin has coached two teams to Superbowls and is digging this one out of a deep, deep hole. All the other coaches answer to him. He deserves the credit for it.

Exactly, but it matters not to the haters. Plus, it's a well-known fact around these parts that Tomlin is the way he is with the media because he has a healthy disdain for them. If it were up to him, he wouldn't talk to them at all, and honestly I couldn't blame him.

Mistah Q
11-24-2013, 04:36 PM
What a coach says to the media and what a coach does and says in front of his team are two vastly different things. Mike Tomlin has coached two teams to Superbowls and is digging this one out of a deep, deep hole. All the other coaches answer to him. He deserves the credit for it.
I was a big Tomlin supporter until I saw how unprepared we were for this season. Especially after last season, when it seemed we were just a couple tweaks away from greatness.

He's going to have to change my mind back, and it just isn't happening right now for me.

I have to give massive props to LeBeau though: I've been critical of him this season; it was very nice to see us finish out today's game in attack mode instead of prevent. Here's hoping that last week's 17 points in 3 minutes, and that quick 8-point drive tonight, have been wakeup calls.

stillers4me
11-24-2013, 04:47 PM
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Dwinsgames
11-24-2013, 04:47 PM
I'll give you credit for at least sticking to your guns, but I still think this is ridiculous. If the head coach gets all the blame when everything goes wrong, then he should get credit when things go right. He could have easily folded up the tents and gone home, but it did not happen.


assuming Tomlin is the reason for the turnaround , I am not convinced that is the case ...

I can not disprove your logic , nor you mine thus we are at an old fashioned Mexican standoff

BUT if it is something of Tomlins doing , what the hell took him so long

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11-24-2013, 04:52 PM
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HollywoodSteel
11-24-2013, 04:52 PM
Considering that everyone wanted Mike Tomlin run out of town on a rail just 2 weeks ago, how about a little credit to him for his role in getting the ship righted? Like I said last week, if the Steelers somehow make the playoffs after everything that has happened to them this season, he should win Coach of the Year again.

And if we miss the playoffs due to ridiculously bad preparation and player evaluation throughout the offseason, preseason, and first quarter if the season? I'll give him credit for doing whatever he's done the past few weeks but you don't get to dangle someone off a cliff and then say "look I saved your life" when you help them back up.

X-Terminator
11-24-2013, 04:56 PM
assuming Tomlin is the reason for the turnaround , I am not convinced that is the case ...

I can not disprove your logic , nor you mine thus we are at an old fashioned Mexican standoff

BUT if it is something of Tomlins doing , what the hell took him so long

I'm not saying he's the sole reason for it, but as the head coach, he most certainly played a role in it, and he should get credit for it.

X-Terminator
11-24-2013, 04:59 PM
And if we miss the playoffs due to ridiculously bad preparation and player evaluation throughout the offseason, preseason, and first quarter if the season? I'll give him credit for doing whatever he's done the past few weeks but you don't get to dangle someone off a cliff and then say "look I saved your life" when you help them back up.

Did I say we should ignore all of that? I don't believe I did. I said he should be recognized for what he's done the past 6 weeks to get them in this position. And dammit, he deserves that.

ALLD
11-24-2013, 05:04 PM
Without blaming anybody because circumstances change all the time, we should stick with the players who are playing now until it doesn't work anymore. No need to rush the injured starters back. Backs are against the wall, but the team is gelling. The team will win or lose on how well BB protects the ball.

Dwinsgames
11-24-2013, 05:04 PM
Did I say we should ignore all of that? I don't believe I did. I said he should be recognized for what he's done the past 6 weeks to get them in this position. And dammit, he deserves that.


at the end of the say we should not have been in this situation to begin with , that I think is the real issue here ...

if we end up winning 8 of our final 12 games and miss the playoffs sure we can say we had a very good last 3/4 of the season but its not an excuse for laying an egg the first 1/4 of the same season ...

the question would need to be answered what was bigger the accomplishment or the failure .... I would have to say the failure because 8-4 is average for THIS organization and 0-4 is without question the albatross in the room

X-Terminator
11-24-2013, 05:07 PM
*sighs*

Nevermind. Don't have the patience for this argument right now...

Shoes
11-24-2013, 05:08 PM
I was a big Tomlin supporter until I saw how unprepared we were for this season. Especially after last season, when it seemed we were just a couple tweaks away from greatness.

He's going to have to change my mind back, and it just isn't happening right now for me.

I have to give massive props to LeBeau though: I've been critical of him this season; it was very nice to see us finish out today's game in attack mode instead of prevent. Here's hoping that last week's 17 points in 3 minutes, and that quick 8-point drive tonight, have been wakeup calls.

Same here, you'd be hard pressed to put me in the "hater" gang before this season. As for righting the ship, I'd say he's still in the North Atlantic dodging icebergs.

HollywoodSteel
11-24-2013, 05:10 PM
Did I say we should ignore all of that? I don't believe I did. I said he should be recognized for what he's done the past 6 weeks to get them in this position. And dammit, he deserves that.

Okay, but unless we win the Super Bowl I don't think he gets to be in any conversation for coach of the year. I will give him credit because I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. Maybe he's done something different or not, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt. But I'll give way more credit to a guy like Sean Peyton who didn't wait months to start being a good coach. We know what a difference that guy makes to his team. I still really don't know what Tomlin does.

But keep in mind, I don't want him fired. I think when he has the right strategists around him making good decisions, we seem to win. Plus I'll give him credit for never losing the locker room.

Dwinsgames
11-24-2013, 05:11 PM
at the end of the say we should not have been in this situation to begin with , that I think is the real issue here ...

if we end up winning 8 of our final 12 games and miss the playoffs sure we can say we had a very good last 3/4 of the season but its not an excuse for laying an egg the first 1/4 of the same season ...

the question would need to be answered what was bigger the accomplishment or the failure .... I would have to say the failure because 8-4 is average for THIS organization and 0-4 is without question the albatross in the room

guess that's to much to contemplate /shrug

was just trying to have a discussion not chase you away

HollywoodSteel
11-24-2013, 05:21 PM
*sighs*

Nevermind. Don't have the patience for this argument right now...

I understand what you're saying and I understand your frustration. I don't think your position is crazy or anything. But some of the counter arguments are just as reasonable. It's always tough when talking about coaching because it's really hard to know who is doing what exactly. It's always easier to evaluate players.

For the record I don't want you to throw up your hands. I like the debate. :)

Count Steeler
11-24-2013, 06:08 PM
I would like to see players put in a position to succeed, sooner rather than later.

Jason Worilds is a LOLB. Mike Adams is a RT. Dwyer never should have been cut over Redman. We never should have started the season with 7 Olinemen, with only 1 guy (Beachum) capable of playing all the positions. We never should have gotten into the cut/chop block BS, cost us Pouncey for the season.

Game prep/plan for the first 4 games was abysmal.

Kudos to getting this team turned around, but let's keep it going.

stillers4me
11-24-2013, 06:20 PM
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11-24-2013, 06:34 PM
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Psycho Ward 86
11-24-2013, 07:04 PM
I'm going to have to hand credit to LeBeau, Ben, and perhaps Haley

for what? scoring 27 points with a defense that was lights out and forced 4 turnovers (with the exception of gordon in garbage time).

for what he consider an offense that can score with the best of them as you said in another thread, that should be a pitiful number of points when paired with a defense that forced 4 turnovers. An offense that can score with the best of them should be able to score 27 with no turnovers imo

Dwinsgames
11-24-2013, 07:11 PM
not to be a negative nellie on a day that we get a W but ...

Gordon 237 yards this week

Megatron 179 yards last week

Gronk 143 3 weeks ago

Yes I am concerned this is becoming to common of theme

Count Steeler
11-24-2013, 07:12 PM
for what? scoring 27 points with a defense that was lights out and forced 4 turnovers (with the exception of gordon in garbage time).

for what he consider an offense that can score with the best of them as you said in another thread, that should be a pitiful number of points when paired with a defense that forced 4 turnovers. An offense that can score with the best of them should be able to score 27 with no turnovers imo

To be fair, Cleveland does have a good defense. However, with 4 turnovers, I would have expected more points, especially with 1 being a pick six. So in reality, the offense only scored 20 points. Still have work to do.

NCSteeler
11-24-2013, 07:47 PM
I would like to see players put in a position to succeed, sooner rather than later.

Jason Worilds is a LOLB. Mike Adams is a RT. Dwyer never should have been cut over Redman. We never should have started the season with 7 Olinemen, with only 1 guy (Beachum) capable of playing all the positions. We never should have gotten into the cut/chop block BS, cost us Pouncey for the season.

Game prep/plan for the first 4 games was abysmal.

Kudos to getting this team turned around, but let's keep it going.

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for what? scoring 27 points with a defense that was lights out and forced 4 turnovers (with the exception of gordon in garbage time).

for what he consider an offense that can score with the best of them as you said in another thread, that should be a pitiful number of points when paired with a defense that forced 4 turnovers. An offense that can score with the best of them should be able to score 27 with no turnovers imo

That's fine and all but the game plan was obviously a control mode. 20-30 mph winds and 25 degree temps, not exactly the kind of weather for a high scoring shoot out

vader29
11-24-2013, 08:09 PM
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stillers4me
11-24-2013, 08:28 PM
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Dwinsgames
11-24-2013, 08:36 PM
Al Woods time to show em why you are on the roster , lace em up tight son lace em up tight

Count Steeler
11-24-2013, 09:04 PM
Al Woods time to show em why you are on the roster , lace em up tight son lace em up tight

What about Fangupo?

Psycho Ward 86
11-24-2013, 09:08 PM
i think al woods did everything to earn and keep the job. keep him

Mojouw
11-24-2013, 09:16 PM
not to be a negative nellie on a day that we get a W but ...

Gordon 237 yards this week

Megatron 179 yards last week

Gronk 143 3 weeks ago

Yes I am concerned this is becoming to common of theme

2 out of the 3 I am willing to write off, because no one stops those guys. Gordon dropping 237 with rotating garbage at QB and converted FB's at tailback is concerning.

Dwinsgames
11-24-2013, 09:18 PM
What about Fangupo?

that is who I was rooting for to go in , in place of Mclendon but Woods got the call and played so well you have to let him keep the job until he proves unworthy of it ..

I did not see anything from Woods today that made me uneasy he was solid ( Like Chris Hoke coming in we didn't miss a beat and may have improved a bit )

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2 out of the 3 I am willing to write off, because no one stops those guys. Gordon dropping 237 with rotating garbage at QB and converted FB's at tailback is concerning.

Gronk at the half against Denver tonight , 1 catch 4 yards ...

as a side note I have Gronk starting in my fantasy team against BigC's team ( I need more points !! )

GoSlash27
11-24-2013, 09:54 PM
assuming Tomlin is the reason for the turnaround , I am not convinced that is the case ...

I can not disprove your logic , nor you mine thus we are at an old fashioned Mexican standoff

BUT if it is something of Tomlins doing , what the hell took him so long

We all know what was wrong with this team in the early going. Or at least we certainly ought to, given the amount of time we spent talking about it. Newbie O linemen. New O line coach. poor ball control. All- around poor fundamental and technical execution. Injuries.

We have fixed most of the issues, which is something most of us expected. Tomlin doesn't deserve full credit for the turnaround, but he definitely deserves credit for his part in it.

We are not yet back to playing Steelers ball, but we're doing a pretty decent impression of it. Folks, I think we have to accept a new reality: The Steelers don't suck anymore.

Randy06
11-24-2013, 09:58 PM
I am glad we got the win, but we need to shift focus quickly to Baltimore. Our defense isn't pretty but a win is a win. You have to remember rookies don't usually play because of the scheme, yet many are due to injuries. It is a growing process, that I'm sure will pay off later.

Craic
11-25-2013, 01:35 AM
To be fair, Cleveland does have a good defense. However, with 4 turnovers, I would have expected more points, especially with 1 being a pick six. So in reality, the offense only scored 20 points. Still have work to do.

I would agree with you, except that in reality, they only played to score for 45 minutes. the last 15 was Cowher ball, and we should never expect them to score playing Cowher ball. I mean, they ran almost half the fourth quarter off the clock without a TD or FG. That in itself, with how our defense was playing today, is worth 7-10 points.

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I am glad we got the win, but we need to shift focus quickly to Baltimore. Our defense isn't pretty but a win is a win. You have to remember rookies don't usually play because of the scheme, yet many are due to injuries. It is a growing process, that I'm sure will pay off later.
The team might, but I sure don't. I'm going to enjoy this win tremendously over the next couple of days.

Devilsdancefloor
11-25-2013, 07:14 AM
My rapid reaction from yesterday is WOW thank you cowboys for cutting will allen i think he has helped this D in so many ways & william gay WOW make me eat my words.

Iron Steeler
11-25-2013, 10:55 AM
My Rapid reaction.

worilds deserves to be a starter with or without woodley healthy. Our defense finally showed they can give pressure. Out offensive line has actually been playing vvrry well the last couple weeks. Levon bell is starting to make a believer out of me .

vader29
11-25-2013, 10:59 AM
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tube517
11-25-2013, 11:19 AM
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Cactus Mike :rofl2:

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