Fire Haley!

[Spike]

all together now!

Fire Haley!

....the stink of losing never leaves him - I saw Tomlin screaming at him on the sidelines - if the Rooneys have any balls at all they will fire this useless jerk today

DO it!


..of course the Steelers F.O. deserves a big part of blame for listening to the yinzers and "Teaching Ben a lesson" and hiring this clod in the first place


This is what you get people.

Haley has managed to destroy our offense and turn our 2 time SB winning QB into Bubby fucking Brister in a little over a year.

and I don't want to hear any alibi's and excuse from the apologists - we won a SB with Tomlin, Arians Ben and a stinking O-line




and you can blame Pouncey's injury on Haley too - that zone blocking bullshit which is just another way of calling for cheap cut block shots at opponents knees - well that concept backfired too

[salamander]

I was waiting to see how long it would take before someone posted a "Fire Haley" thread. :ranger:

[Spike]

Just like I'm waiting for all his nut-hanging blind apologists to come running with a clown hat full of alibi's and excuses

[Bluecoat96]

Just like I'm waiting for all his nut-hanging blind apologists to come running with a clown hat full of alibi's and excuses

Do you even remember that Ben was having an MVP-worthy season last year before his shoulder injury? Didn't think so.

[Dwinsgames]

Jack Bicknell Jr should be the one with his head on the chopping block IF it was his idea to throw the kinds of blocks Decastro and Gilbert where attempting on the play that Pouncey went down , there is no excuse nor place for that kind of blocking in this game IMO ...

Yes they are legal but they are far from clean play IMO , its dirty , under handed and down right ignorant to employ that style of play .... going at the knees of an opponent ( in this case your own dam team mate ) intentionally is just plain WRONG .....

whomever is responsible ( it points to Bicknell ) should be fired .. and not because we lost the game but because it is legalized cheating in my book

look closely at this clip , decastro and gilbert both going for knees

http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/dclynq.gif

[Devilsdancefloor]

Jack Bicknell Jr should be the one with his head on the chopping block IF it was his idea to throw the kinds of blocks Decastro and Gilbert where attempting on the play that Pouncey went down , there is no excuse nor place for that kind of blocking in this game IMO ...

Yes they are legal but they are far from clean play IMO , its dirty , under handed and down right ignorant to employ that style of play .... going at the knees of an opponent ( in this case your own dam team mate ) intentionally is just plain WRONG .....

whomever is responsible ( it points to Bicknell ) should be fired .. and not because we lost the game but because it is legalized cheating in my book

look closely at this clip , decastro and gilbert both going for knees



http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/dclynq.gif
i agree 100% every0nie bitched when Denver was doing it to us then a few years ago when the ratbirds where cutting big snack i hate it it should be illegal, but hey they arent getting concusions just blowing out knees

[salamander]

i agree 100% every0nie bitched when Denver was doing it to us then a few years ago when the ratbirds where cutting big snack i hate it it should be illegal, but hey they arent getting concusions just blowing out knees

All in the name of player safety!! :rolleyes:

[Spike]

and yes, you can blame Haley for Pouncey's injury with his "zone blocking" a.k.a. chopblocking bullshit - this is HIS offense

Keisel hates him too


that's what happens when you use a "zone blocking" scheme - it's is just another name for cut/chop blocks



David DeCastro, pulling from his left to deliver a cut block, drove into the back of the center's legs rather than those of nose tackle Sammie Hill.

“It's terrible,” DeCastro said. “You're trying to cut the nose down, run outside, chop him down.”

He got the wrong man, and, on the sidelines, defensive end and co-captain Brett Keisel was furious. He is one of NFL's main lobbyists against the cut block, and he's even more opposed now that Pouncey's season is over because of what Keisel termed friendly fire.

“When you have a play like that and the backside guard is cutting, it's ridiculous,” Keisel said. “

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/steelgalleries/4654539-74/steelers-titans-season#axzz2eLb8ti1Q

[Dwinsgames]

Bicknell is the one responsible for the ZBS not Haley , post it all ya like but in the process its always a good idea to get it right ...

[X-Terminator]

Jack Bicknell Jr should be the one with his head on the chopping block IF it was his idea to throw the kinds of blocks Decastro and Gilbert where attempting on the play that Pouncey went down , there is no excuse nor place for that kind of blocking in this game IMO ...

Yes they are legal but they are far from clean play IMO , its dirty , under handed and down right ignorant to employ that style of play .... going at the knees of an opponent ( in this case your own dam team mate ) intentionally is just plain WRONG .....

whomever is responsible ( it points to Bicknell ) should be fired .. and not because we lost the game but because it is legalized cheating in my book

look closely at this clip , decastro and gilbert both going for knees

http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/dclynq.gif

Can't say I disagree. I've always hated those dirty ass chop blocks that Mike Shanahan made famous in Denver. That's not real football, and they should be banned. But hey, it's just an OL and not a DB crushing a WR, so ol' Rog couldn't give a rat's ass.

[Shoes]

If Bicknell goes, so should Tomlin...he hired him.You can't tell me Tomlin doesn't know whats going on with the O line.

[Dwinsgames]

If Bicknell goes, so should Tomlin...he hired him.You can't tell me Tomlin doesn't know whats going on with the O line.


well he should know what is going on , but does he ?

I am not so sure , one would think he would realize the team was not ready to play yesterday too but apparently he did not know that either .....

there seems to be some sort of disconnect with this team and its coaching staff and I am not sure why , does he have far to much confidence in his coaching staff and fails to be dutiful and follow behind them to be sure of the level of attention to detail ?

I do not have the answers like the rest of you I am just tossing darts at the board and see where they land

[Spike]

Bicknell is the one responsible for the ZBS not Haley...

so Haley doesn't run the offense?

prove it

[Master Blaster]

David DeCastro said that they didn't have enough time to practice the zone blocking scheme in order to be proficient at it. The underlying issue to why that is can be directed at the new collective bargaining agreement. According to this new deal teams are no longer allowed the time they used to have to get their players ready for the season. The onus was placed on the players to work out on their own in the off season. We are seeing the negative cause and affect of that decision. At his post season press conference, this past February, Art Rooney eluded to that clause as being a key reason why his and other teams were enduring so many injuries.

What transpired at Hines Field yesterday is the fault of the coaching staff, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Since everything on offense begins and ends with the success or failure of the offensive line then it goes without saying that new offensive line coach, Jack Bicknell Jr.'s use of the outside zone blocking scheme failed to achieve the required result because as DeCastro said, they didn't have enough time to practice it. I, personally, despise this scheme because, by its design and implementation, it magnifies and increases the potential for serious leg injuries. Therefore, it proves how hypocritical the NFL is when it comes to player safety. In my opinion, zone blocking must be eliminated.

[Spike]

somebody was blowing smoke up their ass

The Steelers arrived at training camp bubbling with enthusiasm about their new zone-blocking schemes. The Titans made a mockery of it by pinning down the edges and overwhelming the offensive front in the trenches.

Read more: http://triblive.com/sports/-topstories/4654544-74/offensive-pouncey-steelers#ixzz2eOr1TI2h

[Master Blaster]

The solution is easy. Get rid of Bicknell's outside zone blocking scheme.

[Texasteel]

Thanks for the clip Bud, that is the only play that I have see so far. It looked to me that this was a designed play, the RG just hit the wrong knees. If this is the blocking that we are teaching our line then IMO the Rooney's need to find out who is responsible and take care of it right now. I'm not saying fire anyone, just make sure it does not happen on our team again. I am the most ignorant poster here as far as this sort of thing is concerned, but I thought that if a defensive play was engaged headed to the outside that it was not aloud for another blocker to hit him in that area. Legal or not it looks to be a very dangerous block, and not something I want to Steelers to be known for. I don't know if we can recover from what happened yesterday or not, but the most important thing to me is that the Steelers are not known as a team that will use a dangerous gray area of the rules, and to hell what happens to the players.

[dislocatedday]

Like others have already posted, that cut blocking scheme is underhanded and absurd (even if technically legal). To top it off, it appears the Steelers olineman can't even cut block in an efficient manner. That total whiff by Gilbert, and boneheaded diving lunge by DeCastro are just sad to watch on tape. You reap what you sow, and this scheme bit this team in its own ass by taking Pouncey out for the season. If the bulk of the line is too weak to take on the opposing team's Dline straight up then those guys just don't belong in the NFL IMO.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Do you even remember that Ben was having an MVP-worthy season last year before his shoulder injury? Didn't think so.

thats cute. because we werent statistically average or below average in almost every offensive category before that happened or anything...

[vader29]

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[fansince'76]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/garyb12001/Arians_zpse4c911f1.jpg (http://s211.photobucket.com/user/garyb12001/media/Arians_zpse4c911f1.jpg.html)

Sorry, couldn't resist. :chuckle:

[Dwinsgames]

so Haley doesn't run the offense?

prove it

the line is Bicknell job that is what he was hired to do ....

you do not fire the store manager at walmart because the sporting good department manager stole a couple guns you fire the one that is the head of the department and perpetrator of the act ... its common sense but that is something that seems to be less and less common these days

[steeldevil]

The OL sucked. Lets hope the majority of it was seeing their leader go down and not that they just don't got it.

With the OL run blocking and pass blocking as shitty as they did no plan would have worked.

If theOL sucks next week this bad we have to go no huddle and try to use the pace and passing game to set up the run.

Now if next week is as bad as this week and we don't try anything different like no huddle, then ill be starting to have problems...

[Master Blaster]

the line is Bicknell job that is what he was hired to do ....

you do not fire the store manager at walmart because the sporting good department manager stole a couple guns you fire the one that is the head of the department and perpetrator of the act ... its common sense but that is something that seems to be less and less common these days
:clap2:

[steeldawg]

Well in regards to the offensive coordinator, why if the o-line sucks do we not call some roll outs and move the pocket some TE quick hitters RB screens, It would be nice to see an adjustment rather than just hoping the o-line will put together a decent drive. I mean the only time we get a decent gain is when ben breaks the pocket and creates a play.

[Jaucer]

so Haley doesn't run the offense?

prove itUsing your logic then it should be Tomlin on the chopping block. He runs the team. Per your logic Haley is only doing what Tomlin wants.

[ALLD]

The OL sucked. Lets hope the majority of it was seeing their leader go down and not that they just don't got it.

With the OL run blocking and pass blocking as shitty as they did no plan would have worked.

If theOL sucks next week this bad we have to go no huddle and try to use the pace and passing game to set up the run.

Now if next week is as bad as this week and we don't try anything different like no huddle, then ill be starting to have problems...


We could punt on 3rd down.

[Dwinsgames]

Well in regards to the offensive coordinator, why if the o-line sucks do we not call some roll outs and move the pocket some TE quick hitters RB screens, It would be nice to see an adjustment rather than just hoping the o-line will put together a decent drive. I mean the only time we get a decent gain is when ben breaks the pocket and creates a play.


yea great Idea if we had a true pass catching TE option to throw to , same with RB Redman couldn't handle a handoff let alone a pass and by the time LSH entered the game we needed more than dink and dunk

[Craic]

This thread makes the line below my name almost prophetic in that I put it up there at the end of last season.

[steeldawg]

yea great Idea if we had a true pass catching TE option to throw to , same with RB Redman couldn't handle a handoff let alone a pass and by the time LSH entered the game we needed more than dink and dunk

you have to do something

[Master Blaster]

yea great Idea if we had a true pass catching TE option to throw to , same with RB Redman couldn't handle a handoff let alone a pass and by the time LSH entered the game we needed more than dink and dunk
That one handoff was not all Redman's fault. The handoff was botched and the play was doomed to fail given that they had the wrong personnel for that play.

[Dwinsgames]

you have to do something


we did ... we got our collective asses handed to us ...

at the same time I still say that fumble inside the 5 set the tone for what turned out to be a horrible outing ... if we go up 9-0 that early in the game I think we see a different outcome !

maybe that is just me being a Steelers homer but I have to believe that forces the Titans into a different game plan and also can not help but think they make some big mistakes throwing the football with Locker ...

probably just me but that's what I think / feel

[Master Blaster]

we did ... we got our collective asses handed to us ...

at the same time I still say that fumble inside the 5 set the tone for what turned out to be a horrible outing ... if we go up 9-0 that early in the game I think we see a different outcome !

maybe that is just me being a Steelers homer but I have to believe that forces the Titans into a different game plan and also can not help but think they make some big mistakes throwing the football with Locker ...

probably just me but that's what I think / feel
You have every right to your opinion... Even if the majority disagrees with you. :wink02:

[Butch]

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Sorry, couldn't resist. :chuckle:

Nope not a bit!!!

[Spike]

they are all stealing my stuff now...


Kovacevic: In Todd Steelers trust? Why?

http://triblive.com/sports/dejankovacevic/dejancolumns/4654526-74/tomlin-haley-blame#axzz2eTnTd29x

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Todd Haley’s Dink-and-Dunk Offense Continues to Depress

http://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/Best-of-the-Burgh-Blogs/Pulling-No-Punches/September-2013/Todd-Haleys-Dink-and-Dunk-Offense-Continues-to-Depress/

[NJarhead]

all together now!

Fire Haley!

....the stink of losing never leaves him - I saw Tomlin screaming at him on the sidelines - if the Rooneys have any balls at all they will fire this useless jerk today



Zippidy Doo Dah. Parcells used to yell and scream at Belichick all the time.

If you were an owner, something tells me you'd probably be Dan Snyder.

:coffee:

[Spike]

Zippidy Doo Dah. Parcells used to yell and scream at Belichick all the time.

If you were an owner, something tells me you'd probably be Dan Snyder.

:coffee:

I say Haley will be gone by the end of the month

0-4 should do it

[zulater]

I can't pin this one on Haley. Any chance they had offensively went out the window when Pouncey went down. Losing Pouncey crippled us across the line, not only because we lost his talent, but also because he does the line calls, complicated further by taking Beachum out of the 3rd tight end role that obviously was a huge part of the game plan.

Any and all blames goes to whoever made the decision to go into the season without a legitimate back up center. Pouncey is anything but durable, to think that a 2nd year player who's taken all his reps at tackle and as a blocking tight end was a good plan B was sadly mistaken and the Steelers offense as a whole paid the price.

[NJarhead]

I say Haley will be gone by the end of the month

0-4 should do it

If we're 0-4 and it's clear he's to blame, then I might be on board. From where I sit though, the o-line was horrid and he is not coaching them on technique. Also, it's not clear whether or not the personnel issue at the GL was his fault.

Regardless, it's week 1 Brother! I'm cheering for Haley to get it right in week 2 and beyond. I say calling for his head is a bit premature.

[Spike]

I say calling for his head is a bit premature.

I've been calling for his head since the first day I saw him coach in Pittsburgh - I'm just being consistent.

[NJarhead]

I've been calling for his head since the first day I saw him coach in Pittsburgh - I'm just being consistent.

"Consistently premature." haha

[Dwinsgames]

From where I sit though, the o-line was horrid and he is not coaching them on technique..

This

[Master Blaster]

The following is a brutally honest and true assessment of the current state of the front office and the coaching staff. I'm sure most fans will agree with the article.

http://triblive.com/sports/dejankovacevic/dejancolumns/4654526-74/tomlin-haley-blame#axzz2eUMIVx9F

[X-Terminator]

The following is a brutally honest and true assessment of the current state of the front office and the coaching staff. I'm sure most fans will agree with the article.

http://triblive.com/sports/dejankovacevic/dejancolumns/4654526-74/tomlin-haley-blame#axzz2eUMIVx9F

Can't argue with any of it. The game plan Haley implemented was flat-out abysmal. Time to go no-huddle and let Ben call the plays on the field.

[NCSteeler]

I can complain about a littel of the article, but not much. 1st, personnel grouping are position coach related, all on Kirby for the wrong grouping, BUT call a damn TO , HC, OC, or QB should know damn well you don't run that stupid play with the wrong RBs.

2nd he wrapped with a complaint about Sanders not showing up, I thought Sanders had a good game 7 catches, hardly his fault they were 2 yards a piece.

And yes , time to no huddle after the half was obvious, and the run of 5 LaRods to open the 2nd was mind numbing.

[NJarhead]

I can complain about a littel of the article, but not much. 1st, personnel grouping are position coach related, all on Kirby for the wrong grouping, BUT call a damn TO , HC, OC, or QB should know damn well you don't run that stupid play with the wrong RBs.

2nd he wrapped with a complaint about Sanders not showing up, I thought Sanders had a good game 7 catches, hardly his fault they were 2 yards a piece.

And yes , time to no huddle after the half was obvious, and the run of 5 LaRods to open the 2nd was mind numbing.

Boom.

[Master Blaster]

I can complain about a littel of the article, but not much. 1st, personnel grouping are position coach related, all on Kirby for the wrong grouping, BUT call a damn TO , HC, OC, or QB should know damn well you don't run that stupid play with the wrong RBs.

2nd he wrapped with a complaint about Sanders not showing up, I thought Sanders had a good game 7 catches, hardly his fault they were 2 yards a piece.

And yes , time to no huddle after the half was obvious, and the run of 5 LaRods to open the 2nd was mind numbing.
Indeed Kirby played a role in the botched personnel group, but it is also incumbent upon Haley, the OC, to read and recognize the problem and then call a TO. As you stated, Tomlin, Ben, Haley, he'll, even the equipment manager should have called a time out, especially knowing they still had three left.

As for the receivers, they were getting manhandled by that Titans' very physical DB's.

[steel striker]

Whenever you lose your starting center it is a big deal and, especially when he is the best linemen you have. Can't blame Todd for all of the offensive issues from Sunday's game. I'm willing to let a few games pass by before I say Haley needs to go. Somehow the o-line has to play better and, it gets tough this week against the Bengals. Ben better have his running shoes on! Not to mention dropped passes, fumbles, again poor performance by the offense. We really miss Heath and, as much as I would like to have him back please don't rush him back. Besides who is available to be the new OC if things don't work out?

[Dwinsgames]

Whenever you lose your starting center it is a big deal and, especially when he is the best linemen you have. Can't blame Todd for all of the offensive issues from Sunday's game. I'm willing to let a few games pass by before I say Haley needs to go. Somehow the o-line has to play better and, it gets tough this week against the Bengals. Ben better have his running shoes on! Not to mention dropped passes, fumbles, again poor performance by the offense. We really miss Heath and, as much as I would like to have him back please don't rush him back. Besides who is available to be the new OC if things don't work out?

probably the man they where looking to give the job to before the house Fire ( and the guy responsible for the wrong personnel being on the field ) Kirby Wilson .... so be careful people in what you wish for

[Moose]

Besides who is available to be the new OC if things don't work out?

Bruce Arians if this year doesn't work out for him !! LMAO ( sorry, had to say it ! LOL )

[tube517]

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/haley-iroc-600x339.jpg


:stirthepot: :chuckle:

[zulater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UDGE90RsjQ

[salamander]

I forgot about this thread. Funny how it was started by another banned member. I forgot about Spike. :lol:

[SteelersProfessor]

Seems to me that Spike was on the mark! He should be reinstated.

[SteelersProfessor]

This thread is gold, thanks for bumping it.

And what's the discussion about? That fumbled red zone snap when the wrong people were on the field.

The ORIGINAL play call was to have Redman and Felix Jones on the field together, another tricky formation by that master of offense Todd Haley. But he had the wrong people on the field and it was botched.

You see that happens when you're in a bar 11 hours before kickoff and not had the proper time to sleep it off.

[Hawkman]

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/haley-iroc-600x339.jpg


:stirthepot: :chuckle:


Did you really have to????:chuckle:

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.....only to be resurrected to feed a troll.

[ALLD]

We should bring back the Whiz. He was our best OC in the last 20 years.

[hawaiiansteeler]

We should bring back the Whiz. He was our best OC in the last 20 years.

if it wasn't for that meddling Art II owner of ours we could have hired Gary Kubiak and we'd still be playing...:stirthepot:

[Lady Steel]

Time to resurrect this thread. :chuckle:

[hawaiiansteeler]

Time to resurrect this thread. :chuckle:

Crash, is this you? :lol:

[Count Steeler]

Fire Haley? Ben has to wake up. Either he has some physical problems he isn't revealing or he is losing concentration during the game. Some of his misses last night were mind blowing.

[tube517]

Crash, is this you? :lol:

He had a meltdown after that attempted pass to Rosey Nix. :lol:

[BlackAndGold]

Eli Rogers drop, DHB not getting his head turned around, Ben making bad throws. Hard to put much blame on Haley.

[hawaiiansteeler]

http://image.ibb.co/jVFAoG/stfu_haley.gif

[Geno71]

Nice of this cuckold to humiliate a HOF QB on the field like that.

Now it's 20 points or less on offense in 19 of their past 29 road games.

If Tomlin has any balls (or say) he would send Haley to the coaches booth on Thursday and give Fichtner his play-sheet. Enough is enough with this unqualified asshat.


Too much of Toddy's two TE/FB set to start the game and as usual they start slow.

Ben's pick? Two tight ends on the field.

Ben's sack? 2nd string (McDonald), 3rd string (Grimble), and Nix all running pass patterns. Bell was the play-fake who stopped three yards passed the LOS with a defender shadowing him. Brown off the field.

How many times must Dickhead run this formation to realize it doesn't work?



29 combined plays on the scoring drives.

Plays with 2+ tight ends on the field? Only 4 of 29.

Plays with Nix on the field? Only 2 of 29, the last two plays of the game.


See what happens when the speed stays on the field and the slow scrubs stay on the bench? In other words see what happens when they have to abandon Haley's preferred offensive set, AGAIN? The same goddamn thing that happened on Christmas and Ben saved Haley's ass that game also.

[SteelMayhem72]

Haley has definite anger issues and ive seen countless times Tomlin having to calm his ass down. Ive said it once and i will say it again...Ben will retire after this year no matter the outcome of the season. Having this dickhead scream at you and it caught on camera truly embarrasses Ben. There is gonna be a meltdown between the 2 of them coming up and we may see that thursday night. Yes I do agree something is wrong with Ben and it seems to me he is just going through the motions.

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[Mojouw]

Nice of this cuckold to humiliate a HOF QB on the field like that.

Now it's 20 points or less on offense in 19 of their past 29 road games.

If Tomlin has any balls (or say) he would send Haley to the coaches booth on Thursday and give Fichtner his play-sheet. Enough is enough with this unqualified asshat.


Too much of Toddy's two TE/FB set to start the game and as usual they start slow.

Ben's pick? Two tight ends on the field.

Ben's sack? 2nd string (McDonald), 3rd string (Grimble), and Nix all running pass patterns. Bell was the play-fake who stopped three yards passed the LOS with a defender shadowing him. Brown off the field.

How many times must Dickhead run this formation to realize it doesn't work?



29 combined plays on the scoring drives.

Plays with 2+ tight ends on the field? Only 4 of 29.

Plays with Nix on the field? Only 2 of 29, the last two plays of the game.


See what happens when the speed stays on the field and the slow scrubs stay on the bench? In other words see what happens when they have to abandon Haley's preferred offensive set, AGAIN? The same goddamn thing that happened on Christmas and Ben saved Haley's ass that game also.

Crash! How the hell are you buddy? It has been so long since your special brand of one note nonsense has brightened our lives. So happy that you are back!

How is your mom's basement? Did you get that water problem cleared up? Mold and mildew can be a serious hazard. Stay safe, little buddy!

https://pics.me.me/me-explaining-conspiracy-theories-to-my-friends-true%F0%9F%98%82%F0%9F%98%82-12434709.png

[st33lersguy]

Nice of this cuckold to humiliate a HOF QB on the field like that.

Now it's 20 points or less on offense in 19 of their past 29 road games.

If Tomlin has any balls (or say) he would send Haley to the coaches booth on Thursday and give Fichtner his play-sheet. Enough is enough with this unqualified asshat.


Too much of Toddy's two TE/FB set to start the game and as usual they start slow.

Ben's pick? Two tight ends on the field.

Ben's sack? 2nd string (McDonald), 3rd string (Grimble), and Nix all running pass patterns. Bell was the play-fake who stopped three yards passed the LOS with a defender shadowing him. Brown off the field.

How many times must Dickhead run this formation to realize it doesn't work?



29 combined plays on the scoring drives.

Plays with 2+ tight ends on the field? Only 4 of 29.

Plays with Nix on the field? Only 2 of 29, the last two plays of the game.


See what happens when the speed stays on the field and the slow scrubs stay on the bench? In other words see what happens when they have to abandon Haley's preferred offensive set, AGAIN? The same goddamn thing that happened on Christmas and Ben saved Haley's ass that game also.

Oh for crying out loud. Let me guess, Darren sproles will solve the offenses problems

[Geno71]

Nonsense this. What REALLY gets you guys pissed off is that I'm right.

Believe me, I take no pleasure in seeing Ben's career get destroyed like this. It's a tragedy. A sin. The single most important talent this team has drafted since the 1974 draft class being reduced to playing Trent Dilfer loser football by a fomer college golfer.

The ONLY thing worse than Todd Haley? Are his dimwitted supporters who won't, or can't, admit the truth.

If the Steelers win SB LII? Ben quits.

But if they DO NOT and Haley stays? Ben quits or plays elsewhere.

If they DO NOT and Haley is replaced by Fichtner? Ben plays 2018 in Pittsburgh.

It's getting to the point now, that I can see Ben playing elsewhere just to preserve his own legacy. Play a season or two with a real OC in a real system, play great and retire on HIS terms, with his legacy intact.

I honestly don't know how he (Or Brown) haven't smacked Haley yet. If anything the rest of the team would rally around that.

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Oh for crying out loud. Let me guess, Darren sproles will solve the offenses problems

No because he wouldn't play. Just like Conner doesn't play. Plus he's injured.

But you'll be one of the first guys on this forum crying and making excuses for Haley when Bell doesn't finish his FIFTH STRAIGHT SEASON, without getting hurt.

Yeah I'm a real bastard, how dare I want this team to try and preserve Bell's legs and his health.

[polamalubeast]

Nice of this cuckold to humiliate a HOF QB on the field like that.

Now it's 20 points or less on offense in 19 of their past 29 road games.

If Tomlin has any balls (or say) he would send Haley to the coaches booth on Thursday and give Fichtner his play-sheet. Enough is enough with this unqualified asshat.


Too much of Toddy's two TE/FB set to start the game and as usual they start slow.

Ben's pick? Two tight ends on the field.

Ben's sack? 2nd string (McDonald), 3rd string (Grimble), and Nix all running pass patterns. Bell was the play-fake who stopped three yards passed the LOS with a defender shadowing him. Brown off the field.

How many times must Dickhead run this formation to realize it doesn't work?



29 combined plays on the scoring drives.

Plays with 2+ tight ends on the field? Only 4 of 29.

Plays with Nix on the field? Only 2 of 29, the last two plays of the game.


See what happens when the speed stays on the field and the slow scrubs stay on the bench? In other words see what happens when they have to abandon Haley's preferred offensive set, AGAIN? The same goddamn thing that happened on Christmas and Ben saved Haley's ass that game also.

The 2 TE thing is not the problem of our offense....

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[steelcityboyz]

Yes I do agree something is wrong with Ben and it seems to me he is just going through the motions.

Sent from my XT1635-01 using TapatalkIf you look at Ben it looks like it's a chore for him to be out there, he's just going thru the motions, like it's not fun for him anymore. I hope whatever is bothering him he shrugs it off and gets that competitive fire back, I saw flashes of that on the last drive yesterday

[Geno71]

How many picks? How many sacks? YPA doesn't tell you anything.

Christmas game? Nix and David Johnson running pass patterns. Pick.

Christmas game? The Chris Hubbard at tight end formation. Pick.

Buffalo game, Hubbard at tight end formation in the red zone. Pick.

Two tight ends yesterday? Pick.

Nix and James running pass patterns in Detroit? Pick.

Nix has FOUR CAREER TOUCHES in 2 1/2 years. Haley's not fooling anyone with his gimmick rubbish.


I can't find formation splits.

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If you look at Ben it looks like it's a chore for him to be out there, he's just going thru the motions, like it's not fun for him anymore. I hope whatever is bothering him he shrugs it off and gets that competitive fire back, I saw flashes of that on the last drive yesterday

It's not fun for anyone.

Ben hates Haley.

Brown REALLY hates Haley.

Jesse James ripped Haley after the Jags game.

Ben wanted Haley up in the booth this season, and he's not (He's also ticked at Tomlin for not backing this). Haley according to Inside Pittsburgh Sports has a reputation for not going the extra mile as far as game prep, and, he's notoriously late for meetings.

It's been toxic since Kirby Wilson left. He was the buffer during the 2013 season when Haley was "demoted" after the Bills game. But then he left after 2013.

Don't believe me? Sit behind the bench. Players avoid Haley like he has the measles.

[polamalubeast]

I have more problem with the playcalling of Haley than the formations ....I mean, did you see the 2nd half against the jaguars the other time?

The steelers put their receivers for almost the entire second half and it was a disaster.

The steelers were 26th this year for the yards per play with the "Crash Formation" before the game against the colts ... It's horrible.

[AtlantaDan]

It's been toxic since Kirby Wilson left. He was the buffer during the 2013 season when Haley was "demoted" after the Bills game.

Since Kirby Wilson left after 2013 it has been so toxic the Steelers made the playoffs for three consecutive seasons for the first time since the mid-90s.

More toxicity!

[polamalubeast]

Since Kirby Wilson left after 2013 it has been so toxic the Steelers made the playoffs for three consecutive seasons for the first time since the mid-90s.

More toxicity!

and our running game has been more better!

[Geno71]

I have more problem with the playcalling of Haley than the formations ....I mean, did you see the 2nd half against the jaguars the other time?

The steelers put their receivers for almost the entire second half and it was a disaster.

The steelers were 26th this year for the yards per play with the "Crash Formation" before the game against the colts ... It's horrible.

When do they run it? To start games? Or when they get down and then run it?

Christmas game they ran that formation for 15 minutes, scored 21 points.

Two weeks later they opened up with it, 14-0.

So five straight drives, 1 TE on all but one play? Five touchdowns.

But since? It's right back to musical chairs Toddy.

And we won't even discuss, removing Bryant from the red zone.

Oh, forgot one, Jags pick #1? Nix, McDonald, James, all running pass patterns. Pick.

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Since Kirby Wilson left after 2013 it has been so toxic the Steelers made the playoffs for three consecutive seasons for the first time since the mid-90s.

And scored 20 points or less on offense in 9 of 17 games (more than half) in 2014. They've also scored LESS than 20 points, in 5 of 6 playoff games with Haley on the payroll.

Look at you, you defend Haley's rubbish simply because they made the playoffs. LOL

You know what else they did the first three years with Haley on the staff? Failed to win a playoff game.

2012 and 2013 count also.

His hire has been a failure. Period.

[polamalubeast]

When do they run it? To start games? Or when they get down and then run it?

Christmas game they ran that formation for 15 minutes, scored 21 points.

Two weeks later they opened up with it, 14-0.

So five straight drives, 1 TE on all but one play? Five touchdowns.

But since? It's right back to musical chairs Toddy.

And we won't even discuss, removing Bryant from the red zone.

Oh, forgot one, Jags pick #1? Nix, McDonald, James, all running pass patterns. Pick.


It was at the beginning of the 2nd half, when it was 7-6 .... The first drive, it ended with an FG and after it was a disaster

Also last year, the Giants used the crashformation 90% of the time their offense was a disaster, the only reason they finished 11-5 was their defense.

I have a lot of problems with Haley's playcalling, but you can not use the same formation every time, otherwise it would be too easy for the opponents to get prepared.

If you want to talk about real problems, talk about the real problems, but the numbers of formation is not a problem

[Geno71]

It was at the beginning of the 2nd half, when it was 7-6 .... The first drive, it ended with an FG and after it was a disaster


Yeah a FG drive. That was the red zone drive when Toddy had Nix lined up at running back in the shot gun.

He has as many carries in an NFL game as you do.

Again, more Haley trickery, instead of just using your best talent.

A familiar pattern, especially in the red zone over the years.


I have a lot of problems with Haley's playcalling, but you can not use the same formation every time, otherwise it would be too easy for the opponents to get prepared.

Then why does Ben excel in hurry up? Isn't that the same formation? When Peyton won his last MVP? They ran 941 plays with at least three wides on the field, by far the most in the NFL, and Moreno averaged almost 5 yards a carry out of that formation.

2014 Packers plays with 2+ TE's: 161 of 971 plays.

2014 Steelers. 383 of 1035 plays.

Rodgers won MVP.

Ben didn't get a vote in what people claimed (which was laughable) was his "best season".

[polamalubeast]

Yeah a FG drive. That was the red zone drive when Toddy had Nix lined up at running back in the shot gun.

He has as many carries in an NFL game as you do.

Again, more Haley trickery, instead of just using your best talent.

A familiar pattern, especially in the red zone over the years.



Then why does Ben excel in hurry up? Isn't that the same formation? When Peyton won his last MVP? They ran 941 plays with at least three wides on the field, by far the most in the NFL, and Moreno averaged almost 5 yards a carry out of that formation.

2014 Packers plays with 2+ TE's: 161 of 971 plays.

2014 Steelers. 383 of 1035 plays.

Rodgers won MVP.

Ben didn't get a vote in what people claimed (which was laughable) was his "best season".



Yes, but the broncos did not face a good defense until the super bowl against Seattle and it was a disaster

Same thing for the packers, they had some problems against the great defense in 2014 like the games against Seattle and Buffalo.

This formation does not solve all the problems, far from it.

[Mojouw]

Dude - same thing as before....R-E-L-A-X.

Throwing out random "facts" and "stats" is not a way to convince anyone of anything.

Most of your "data" fails a basic causation correlation test.

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[SteelMayhem72]

If you look at Ben it looks like it's a chore for him to be out there, he's just going thru the motions, like it's not fun for him anymore. I hope whatever is bothering him he shrugs it off and gets that competitive fire back, I saw flashes of that on the last drive yesterdayAnd this could come down to him having problems with haley...

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[cubanstogie]

7-2, Haley is not getting fired. Everyone called for Arians firing and he went on to have success and become head coach, and people in the business say he is offensive genius. There are too many smart coaches in this league to dominate every game all year. They study tape for hours and prepare for opponents. Way to many pieces in the puzzle to blame on one guy. Ben has been more inconsistent, TE's and receivers more drops and our now third best WR has been pouting. As long as we don't lose Ben, LB, or AB possibly JuJu this team will be fine offensively.I agree our red zone offense basically sucks, but look at how may dropped passes and receivers Ben has missed. Besides Patriots fans, everyone else can second guess play calling in every game. No one IMO is coming in and making this offense click. I don't see Ben getting better with a different OC. When Bens gone maybe its time for new blood.We are 7-2!

[st33lersguy]

Hey crash, do you ever get tired of repeating the same things over and over abvd over again?

[Geno71]

Hey crash, do you ever get tired of repeating the same things over and over abvd over again?

You mean constantly repeating how bad Haley's offense is because it sucks ass? Yes I do.

Unfortunately for all of us Art II won't fire him and Mike Tomlin can't.

So we all suffer.


7-2, Haley is not getting fired. Everyone called for Arians firing and he went on to have success and become head coach, and people in the business say he is offensive genius.

All I said in 2011 if Arians were to get fired? Then LeBeau should be fired also. That it was wrong to blame Ben/Arians for LeBeau's 4th quarter defense.

I also said that Haley was LeBeau's WORST NIGHTMARE, because with a Yinzer now as OC? They will finally start blaming LEBEAU, for his 4th quarter garbage.

And that's exactly what happened.

LeBeau's overrated legacy is what started this whole sad sorry situation.

[cubanstogie]

You mean constantly repeating how bad Haley's offense is because it sucks ass? Yes I do.

Unfortunately for all of us Art II won't fire him and Mike Tomlin can't.

So we all suffer.



[/COLOR]All I said in 2011 if Arians were to get fired? Then LeBeau should be fired also. That it was wrong to blame Ben/Arians for LeBeau's 4th quarter defense.

I also said that Haley was LeBeau's WORST NIGHTMARE, because with a Yinzer now as OC? They will finally start blaming LEBEAU, for his 4th quarter garbage.

And that's exactly what happened.

LeBeau's overrated legacy is what started this whole sad sorry situation.

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Yep. Get tired saying how much of a joke this offense is. Because it's the truth.



[/COLOR]All I ever said during 2011 was that if Arians were to get fired, that LeBeau should be fired also. That it was wrong to blame Arians/Ben for LeBeau's career long problems in the 4th quarter.

I also said AFTER Haley was hired, that he was LeBeau's worst nightmare. Because now with a Yinzer as OC? LeBeau would finally start getting blamed for his 4th quarter crap.

And that's exactly what happened.
I cant agree that he was overrated, but I do think its like an aging player or fighter in UFC. They don't know when to hang it up. The years of Landry, Noll and Shula lasting decades on one team are gone. I actually think Haley should go when Ben goes, but now is really bad timing. Ben starting over at his age , I just don't see it. Its too late for him to get a second wind. I do think they need to mix it up though, even at 7-2 there are obvious problems. Let Ben call his own plays all game see what happens. He can go to hurry up whenever he wants.

[Geno71]

. I actually think Haley should go when Ben goes, but now is really bad timing. Ben starting over at his age , I just don't see it.

No need to start over. Promote Fichtner. Keep the same playbook.

But scrap the needless junk like having 330 pound linemen playing receiver and the infatuation with scrubs like Nix, Grimble, and junk the empty sets.

[teegre]

Hey crash, do you ever get tired of repeating the same things over and over abvd over again?

Game.
Set.
Match.

[Mojouw]

Like on a scale from one to serial killer -- how excited does posting this mental diarrhea on the internet make you?

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[polamalubeast]

You mean constantly repeating how bad Haley's offense is because it sucks ass? Yes I do.

Unfortunately for all of us Art II won't fire him and Mike Tomlin can't.

So we all suffer.



All I said in 2011 if Arians were to get fired? Then LeBeau should be fired also. That it was wrong to blame Ben/Arians for LeBeau's 4th quarter defense.

I also said that Haley was LeBeau's WORST NIGHTMARE, because with a Yinzer now as OC? They will finally start blaming LEBEAU, for his 4th quarter garbage.

And that's exactly what happened.

LeBeau's overrated legacy is what started this whole sad sorry situation.

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[Geno71]

Nice family photo Mojo. How sweet.

[cubanstogie]

No need to start over. Promote Fichtner. Keep the same playbook.

But scrap the needless junk like having 330 pound linemen playing receiver and the infatuation with scrubs like Nix, Grimble, and junk the empty sets. [/COLOR]
It would be interesting, I just don't see it. I do remember Harbaugh getting rid of OC's many times in Baltimore and it worked for them for sure. Just not convinced we are there yet. If we don't score over 30 pretty soon and get TD's instead of FG's who knows.

[Geno71]

http://research.pomona.edu/itsecurity/files/2014/11/Troll.jpg

Actually? Facts. Sorry. This all started back in 2009. Art II blamed the offense and specifically blamed the running game "not running the ball when we needed to" to close out games.

When anyone who actually WATCHED that team knows that's not why they had that losing streak.

Defense gave up too many scores following our own, to shit teams, in the 4th quarter.

Chiefs, Raiders, Ravens.

The Raiders were one of the NFL's worst offenses, EVER, and they swapped 4th quarter scores against the "legendary defense".

[polamalubeast]

Nobody said we had a legendary defense in 2009, especially without Polamalu and also without Aaron Smith.

[Geno71]

They were the best defense in football after the first 45 minutes that season even with the injuries.

What they did in the 4th quarter? They've always done. Change the scheme and play prevent.

I would rather they just run their regular defense.

[polamalubeast]

Sometimes this is on Ben too....

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[vasteeler]

Sometimes this is on Ben too....

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Wait... How was this example on Ben? Did it not hit AB in the hands?

[polamalubeast]

Wait... How was this example on Ben? Did it not hit AB in the hands?

Bell was wide open....

[Geno71]

Bad throw, but no QB has margin for error in this offense because almost EVERY DEEP THROW to the WR's are down the sidelines. But if Ben hits that throw in stride? Brown may have gotten drilled with the safety closing in. If anything the BETTER options were whomever were cutting across the field mid-range.

Rarely do we send WR's deep down the middle. That pass to JuJu in Detroit was one of the few. It's usually tight ends down the middle. Bell in the slot? Rarely now, where as in his first 4 years he killed nickel DB's and ILB's from the slot. Now he's lined up wide against #1-#2 CB's and can't separate.

That site is hilarious. They can pick a play here, a play there to shame Ben, but they ignore YEARS of Haley's trends because the fan boy bloggers there stick up for him.

[Born2Steel]

" If anything the BETTER options were whomever were cutting across the field mid-range "

That was Rosey Nix.

[Geno71]

It's James, and JuJu.

[Born2Steel]

LOL

[teegre]

War Rosie Nix on every play!!!

War three-TE sets!!!

War six O-linemen!!!

[Geno71]

War 20 points or less on offense most weeks!!!

[vasteeler]

Bell was wide open....

Yeah but so was AB and it hit him in the hands

Edit: not being argumentative just can't see putting THAT ONE on Ben

[Born2Steel]

Haley's unleashing Dobbs this weekend. 3RB set with 2TEs. It's a hybrid wildcat/pistol/wishbone called the wildpisbone. It confuses defenses with group celebrations after every play.

[teegre]

Haley's unleashing Dobbs this weekend. 3RB set with 2TEs. It's a hybrid wildcat/pistol/wishbone called the wildpisbone. It confuses defenses with group celebrations after every play.

Ten O-linemen... and a QB sneak on every down!!!

[st33lersguy]

Tips from Crash on what to do on a forum

1. Make a wild claim
2. Get a few facts in your head and repeat them ad nauseam
3. Be condescending to everyone who dares to not agree with you 100%
4. If you get kicked off of forum for being combative with literally everyone for the heinous crime of disagreeing with you and not seeing how brilliant you are, keep going back under a different name, but be sure to give a clear indicator that it's you

[Geno71]

I'm not combative at all.

I don't mention family members, I don't imply people smoke crack. Live in basements, None of that.

The bottom line here though? YOU people can badmouth anyone on this team.

But somehow when I badmouth an unqualified owner who hired an unqualified cuckold to run the offense? I'm a troll.

What's also funny is when I'm not posting here, and yet you people still can't stop talking about me or posting my tweets.

[Lady Steel]

Crash, is this you? :lol:

Resurrect it and he will come. :chuckle:

[BlackAndGold]

Haley called some bad play calls Sunday. Ben is the blame for the inconsistent offense.

[BlackAndGold]

Sometimes this is on Ben too....

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Dave was going after the "Fire Haley" fans today.

[Mojouw]

Let's hire Ben Macadoo. maybe Chip Kelly? He likes lots of receivers. Does Mouse Davis need a job?


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[Mojouw]

Dave was going after the "Fire Haley" fans today.

What I think is really interesting about that play is that AB alligator armed it. Now that was to avoid getting absolutely obliterated by the safety.


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[BlackAndGold]

What I think is really interesting about that play is that AB alligator armed it. Now that was to avoid getting absolutely obliterated by the safety.


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Business decision.

[Geno71]

Steelers Depot will never bash Haley. That's what happens when 20 something bloggers got a review from the team.

They protect Haley and they don't even realize why his offense sucks ass.

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Let's hire Ben Macadoo. maybe Chip Kelly? He likes lots of receivers. Does Mouse Davis need a job?


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If we don't value receivers why are they paying Brown $15 million a year to get double teamed when James and McDonald are on the field together?

Either the basic offensive scheme stinks, or that contract is a mistake.

Pick one.

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Dave? Is this David Todd?

[BlackAndGold]

The offense has looked great in the past, what happened? Ben not playing well is what happened.

He's an average QB now, though at times he will turn back the clock.

[Geno71]

The offense has sucked ass for the most part since 2014.

Nothing has changed in 4 years except now the constant subbing, trick plays and recess formations are getting WORSE.

[Mojouw]

Business decision.
For sure! I actually agree with the decision, but surprised more aren’t out for blood on this one.

[Geno71]

For who?

For what?

[Geno71]

For sure! I actually agree with the decision, but surprised more aren’t out for blood on this one.

So you agree with a player quitting on a play AFTER he got paid?

Odd.

[Steeldude]

Same excuses to protect Tomlin can be used for Haley.

[Geno71]

But Tomlin doesn't get excused.

Steelers win with a big game on offense? Haley gets praised.

Steelers lose and Haley's offense does it's usual shit show? Ben and Tomlin get bashed.

Been this way for four years. Haley gets the same free pass from the same idiots who want Bob Nutting to protect his fortune.

[86WARD]

Lol...what Coach doesn’t yell? Would be great to see a coach just stand there with no emotion...that’s a winner...right.........

Record is 7-2; Leading Rusher in NFL and Leading Receiver in NFL and there’s a full fledged witch hunt out for Haley?

Sure it hasn’t been high powered pretty, but come on...lol.

[teegre]

What I think is really interesting about that play is that AB alligator armed it. Now that was to avoid getting absolutely obliterated by the safety.


Possibly. And, if so, I’d rather have him going forward (no concussion) that make that ONE reception.

My take is that AB was running with his head turned for 30 yards. He’s good, but even AB can lose track of his position while running like that for so long. Really. Look at the end-zone view, and you’ll see AB veer a tad too far towards the sideline... and then make a tremendous effort to still catch a ball that is slightly out of his reach.

[Geno71]

Lol...what Coach doesn’t yell? Would be great to see a coach just stand there with no emotion...that’s a winner...right.........

Record is 7-2; Leading Rusher in NFL and Leading Receiver in NFL and there’s a full fledged witch hunt out for Haley?

Sure it hasn’t been high powered pretty, but come on...lol.

Stats without context are for losers and fantasy geeks. The Steelers are 18th in the NFL in rushing, and Bell appears to be getting slower because they won't try and preserve his legs. If Arians was OC people would bitch.

Don't use record to absolve Yinzer Haley. Arians/Ben/Tomlin didn't get that leeway and all they did was win.

High powered pretty? The offense has been shit for four years.

[polamalubeast]

You mean constantly repeating how bad Haley's offense is because it sucks ass? Yes I do.

Unfortunately for all of us Art II won't fire him and Mike Tomlin can't.

So we all suffer.



All I said in 2011 if Arians were to get fired? Then LeBeau should be fired also. That it was wrong to blame Ben/Arians for LeBeau's 4th quarter defense.

I also said that Haley was LeBeau's WORST NIGHTMARE, because with a Yinzer now as OC? They will finally start blaming LEBEAU, for his 4th quarter garbage.

And that's exactly what happened.

LeBeau's overrated legacy is what started this whole sad sorry situation.

The reason Lebeau left was that our defense was not the same.

2014 was probably our worst defense since 1988 and 2013 is not far behind.

2011 would have been too early to fired LeBeau even after the game against Tebow since before 2011 the steelers had been to the super bowl 3 times in 6 years and the season before in 2004, the steelers had finished 15-1.

Roethlisberger and the defense were the big reason why ...

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Stats without context are for losers and fantasy geeks. The Steelers are 18th in the NFL in rushing, and Bell appears to be getting slower because they won't try and preserve his legs. If Arians was OC people would bitch.

Don't use record to absolve Yinzer Haley. Arians/Ben/Tomlin didn't get that leeway and all they did was win.

High powered pretty? The offense has been shit for four years.

The steelers were in the bottom 3 after 3 week in rushing yards....

[Geno71]

The reason Lebeau left was that our defense was not the same.

In 2009 and 2011 the defense couldn't force turnovers.

From 2007 week 5 of Haley they blew the 2nd most 4th quarter leads in football.

That doesn't even include the 4th quarter leads they blew in 2004-2006.

LeBeau the COACH got a free pass for years, because of how great LeBeau the PERSON is.

And that's why he was never blamed.

[polamalubeast]

In 2009 and 2011 the defense couldn't force turnovers.

From 2007 week 5 of Haley they blew the 2nd most 4th quarter leads in football.

That doesn't even include the 4th quarter leads they blew in 2004-2006.

LeBeau the COACH got a free pass for years, because of how great LeBeau the PERSON is.

And that's why he was never blamed. [/COLOR]

Yes, but 2004,2005,2008 and 2010 also counts......This is why he had a free pass....

[Geno71]

In 2005 they blew three 4th quarter leads in six games. Ben saved him twice. If he only did it once? No playoffs.

2008 they blew 4th quarter leads all year. Again Ben saved him with 4th quarter drives.

They always had the same problems on 4th quarter defense from the moment he came back.

He only got blamed, when a LOCAL GUY started running the offense.

As predicted correctly, by ME!

[polamalubeast]

The steelers only lost once with LeBeau when the steelers had the lead by at least 11 points(2009 vs Bengals), so it's not like the steelers were losing games with a huge lead ....

And LOL for 2008!!!!

[polamalubeast]

No doubt the game against the giants in 2008 that the bad snap of our long snapper (James Harrison !!!) who tie the game 14-14 count for a blew lead !!!!

Or the bad interception at a terrible moment of Roethlisberger in the same year against the colts....

[Geno71]

The steelers only lost once with LeBeau when the steelers had the lead by at least 11 points(2009 vs Bengals), so it's not like the steelers were losing games with a huge lead ....

They couldn't build huge leads in 2009 because our great defense would go back on the field AFTER we scored and give the leads right back.

The term on the web is "Give back points".


And LOL for 2008!!!!

I agree it's funny how LeBeau gets credit because the offense would save his 4th quarter shit.

I think Fitz is still running.

[polamalubeast]

They couldn't build huge leads in 2009 because our great defense would go back on the field AFTER we scored and give the leads right back.

The term on the web is "Give back points".



[/COLOR]I agree it's funny how LeBeau gets credit because the offense would save his 4th quarter shit.

I think Fitz is still running.




Polamalu(vs Ravens) is still running too!!!!

[Geno71]

Or the bad interception at a terrible moment of Roethlisberger in the same year against the colts....

If Ike could catch Reggie Wayne doesn't score. Right through his hands, and right to Wayne, 14 point swing.

Troy Polamalu also dropped a pix six later on.

Then, after Ben's 2nd pick the defense still had to make 1 play to win, and couldn't.

[polamalubeast]

Then, after Ben's 2nd pick the defense still had to make 1 play to win, and couldn't.


[/COLOR]

To win...A FG would tie the game and they were already in FG territory after the interception.

2 interception cost 14 points in this game, otherwise the steelers had dominated this game.


If Ike could catch Reggie Wayne doesn't score. Right through his hands, and right to Wayne, 14 point swing.


Troy Polamalu also dropped a pix six later on.


so this is the fault of Lebeau?

[Geno71]

To win...A FG would tie the game and they were already in FG territory after the interception.

So was Vanderject in 2005.

How'd that turn out?

Bottom line if the secondary could catch the football that game was a rout.


so this is the fault of Lebeau?

Ben and Arians were at fault. As usual.

Then Todd Haley was hired and LeBeau's free pass ran out.

[polamalubeast]

So was Vanderject in 2005.

How'd that turn out?

Bottom line if the secondary could catch the football that game was a rout.


[/COLOR]

Vinnateri is much better in the clutch that Vanderchoke!

[Geno71]

Vinnateri is much better in the clutch that Vanderchoke!

Vinatieri had the chance to clinch the 2002 AFC title game kicking in the same stadium, in the same end of the field.

He missed.

[polamalubeast]

Do you really want to see all the clutch kick that he has made in his career?

Rarely he has missed a clutch kick in his career, the only one I remember is the one against the chargers in 2007 in the regular season(the game that Peyton Manning had 6 interception!!!), but for the rest he is automatic in the clutch and Vanderchoke is horrible in the clutch.

[Geno71]

Do you really want to see all the clutch kick that he has made in his career?

Rarely he has missed a clutch kick in his career, the only one I remember is the one against the chargers in 2007 in the regular season(the game that Peyton Manning had 6 interception!!!), but for the rest he is automatic in the clutch and Vanderchoke is horrible in the clutch.

That's nice.

But in 2002 in Heinz Field, a notorious hell for kickers, he missed a clutch kick.

So it wasn't automatic.

Which was the point.

[polamalubeast]

That's nice.

But in 2002 in Heinz Field, a notorious hell for kickers, he missed a clutch kick.

So it wasn't automatic.

Which was the point.

It would have been a 40-yard FG (or under) for him, which would have been automatic for him and if he would have make, you would have said it was because our fourth quarter defense is terrible, even if it would not have been their fault in reality in this game.

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Facts!

[Geno71]

Facts without context.

The rushing game is 18th.

If Arians' rushing attack is 18th people bitch.

8th in carries, but 18th in yards, and a woeful 26th, in yards per carry.

And you're BRAGGING.

LOL

[polamalubeast]

Facts without context.

The rushing game is 18th.

If Arians' rushing attack is 18th people bitch.

8th in carries, but 18th in yards, and a woeful 26th, in yards per carry.

And you're BRAGGING.

LOL

The steelers running game will be better if they use 2 TE more often...

[Geno71]

The steelers running game will be better if they use 2 TE more often...

No, the Steelers running game will be better if A) They get Conner more involved to spare Bell's legs, and B) Stop from having every run go up the middle.

There is no threat of running wide. They rarely do it. That's why it lacks consistency. For any big run you can pull up you get a ton of 0-2 yard carries. But the one long run inflates their average.

[polamalubeast]

No, the Steelers running game will be better if A) They get Conner more involved to spare Bell's legs, and B) Stop from having every run go up the middle.

There is no threat of running wide. They rarely do it. That's why it lacks consistency. For any big run you can pull up you get a ton of 0-2 yard carries. But the one long run inflates their average.

No fact are fact...Bell is much better with 2 TE,same thing for the passing game.....

[Geno71]

You're right.

18th in yards.

26th in yards per carry.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Polamalu(vs Ravens) is still running too!!!!

So True!! We know that Harrison stopped for a breather.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01251/james-harrison-epa_1251342c.jpg

[fansince'76]

Christ, this nutjob is back? Not for long...

[Hawkman]

Christ, this nutjob is back? Not for long...

Wow! He didn't even last a week, this time around.

[tube517]

Christ, this nutjob is back? Not for long...

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/poohadventures/images/c/cc/Crash-bandicoot-n-sane-trilogy-character-two-column-03-ps4-eu-05jul17.png/revision/latest?cb=20170713034329

[st33lersguy]

Too bad he'll probably be back in a few months under a new name. I bet he honestly wonders why he gets banned all the time

[hawaiiansteeler]

It is time for the Steelers to address the giant elephant in the room, which is Todd Haley’s offense

After a season low for yards in the 1st half, the would-be vaunted Steelers offense finally woke up to deliver enough points and eventually a 20-17 win over the Luck-less Indianapolis Colts Sunday.

by John_Phillips Nov 13, 2017

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2017-nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-indianapolis-colts-tickets-streaming-time-how-to-watch/2017/11/13/16642776/it-is-time-for-the-steelers-to-address-the-giant-elephant-in-the-room-which-is-todd-haleys-offense

[Psycho Ward 86]

It is time for the Steelers to address the giant elephant in the room, which is Todd Haley’s offense

After a season low for yards in the 1st half, the would-be vaunted Steelers offense finally woke up to deliver enough points and eventually a 20-17 win over the Luck-less Indianapolis Colts Sunday.

by John_Phillips Nov 13, 2017

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2017-nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-indianapolis-colts-tickets-streaming-time-how-to-watch/2017/11/13/16642776/it-is-time-for-the-steelers-to-address-the-giant-elephant-in-the-room-which-is-todd-haleys-offense

Todd Haley is reading that headline like: "It's time to put that elephant back to sleep because Daddy's past connections to the steelers will hold my job"

[86WARD]

Sorry to see “Geno” go...lol

[SteelMember]

http://thatschurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/haley.jpg

[polamalubeast]

The steelers are one of the offense which use the more the 3 WR,1TE and 1 RB formation...Some very good offense and also terrible offense in this list....


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[polamalubeast]

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[Psycho Ward 86]

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this. goes to show that even in a high octane offensive output, Haley still finds a way to be part of the problem. Even Ben was quietly taking shots at him: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/12/roethlisberger-explains-last-two-dubious-play-calls-final-drive/

“The call came from the sideline and they brought kind of a heavy blitz on the first one,” Roethlisberger said. “[I] kind of threw it to a spot where I knew maybe there was a chance that our guy could get it, but it was kind of a safe spot to throw it to. You know, that’s kind of a tough call because we put a guy in position that hadn’t really been there throughout the week. And then the second one, really it’s about the same sort of thing. They brought the pressure and just don’t take the sack. You know, just try to get it out of my hands there at the end because four, five, six yards could be a killer there.”

[polamalubeast]

this. goes to show that even in a high octane offensive output, Haley still finds a way to be part of the problem. Even Ben was quietly taking shots at him: http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/12/roethlisberger-explains-last-two-dubious-play-calls-final-drive/

“The call came from the sideline and they brought kind of a heavy blitz on the first one,” Roethlisberger said. “[I] kind of threw it to a spot where I knew maybe there was a chance that our guy could get it, but it was kind of a safe spot to throw it to. You know, that’s kind of a tough call because we put a guy in position that hadn’t really been there throughout the week. And then the second one, really it’s about the same sort of thing. They brought the pressure and just don’t take the sack. You know, just try to get it out of my hands there at the end because four, five, six yards could be a killer there.”

And the 3rd down call on the first drive on the 3rd quarter was awful....we can't have a drive killer because of Haley against NE...

[zulater]

If Pouncey holds his block better on the 3rd down pass Ben has Eli Rogers for an easy first down inside the 15. And as good as Boswell's has been I'd much rather be kicking for the game from inside 35 yards.

[Craic]

With all the current OC hate, I figured it was time to bump this thread again.

[polamalubeast]

Only 8 pages and this thread had started in 2013...The Canada thread have now 37 pages!

[polamalubeast]

This clown(crash or geno) wanted Fitchner as OC big time.....

[86WARD]

Comfirms my thoughts hat I did NOT bash Haley…lol

[DuckHodges]

lol holy necro post batman!

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Fire Canada
Fire Fitchner
Fire Arians
Fire Haley

I think Whisenhunt was the last OC that was generally liked by the Steeler fans lol

[DesertSteel]

This clown(crash or geno) wanted Fitchner as OC big time.....
I'd love Fitchner right now.

[pczach]

I'd love Fitchner right now.




I would like the Fitchner offense that led the NFL in Red Zone TD percentage.

[DuckHodges]

I would like the Fitchner offense that led the NFL in Red Zone TD percentage.

I'd love to have the pre-regression Roethlisberger back too.

[EzraTank]

I'd love to have the pre-regression Roethlisberger back too.

I'll take the 2008 defense, Swann, Stallworth, Lambert, Ham, Blount, Woodson and Troy in their primes next year as well.

[86WARD]

I'd love Fitchner right now.

Fichtners offense was influenced by Canada…I’ll pass on that as well…