Hey Hey Hey...Goodbye!!!

[LLT]

The writing is on the wall for several Steelers.


Here is a thread for you to say who you think will be on the outside looking in by the time the season starts. It will be interesting to look back and see if we were correct or not.


Forget about the Camp Fodder...give me some names that will be gone.


I will start with Tony Hills. His third camp and I see no improvement. The very fact that we keep signing players that leapfrog past him is a death warrant.


So...Tony Hills.....Goodbye!!!!

[SteelerSal]

I'll go with;

Batch
Logan
Hills
Arnaz Battle
Patrick bailey
Andre Frazier
Anthony Madison
Ryan Mundy

[LLT]

I'll go with;

Batch
Logan
Hills
Arnaz Battle
Patrick bailey
Andre Frazier
Anthony Madison
Ryan Mundy

Batch is a safe bet also...i know that some think he will stay until ben gets back, but doesnt having ARE on the team eliminate the need to keep Batch as a 3rd QB?

Logan is also one of my picks to get his pink slip....just way to one dimensional to earn a roster spot when we should be able to find a return specialists this year that can play WR also.

Mundy is an interesting choice.

[SteelerEmpire]

I look to see Logan possibly getting some hand offs this season...

[LLT]

I look to see Logan possibly getting some hand offs this season...

I think that he will be given every chance to make the team by getting looks at WR and RB...but ultimately I think he is fighting for a spot at two crowded positions.

[Steeldude]

my prediction was tony hills would never contribute to the team in a positive way. the 2008 draft is looking pretty bad

[SteelGhost]

Batch, Logan and Hills IMO

[tony hipchest]

good bye andre frazier and patrick bailey. younger, faster, stronger, and better has been drafted to replace you guys. i agree on logan. he will have to steal a spot from a reserve o-lineman or linebacker.

interesting thing about batch... if he is on the roster week 1 his entire contract for the year is guaranteed. if they release him before week 1 and sign him week 2, he is essentially playing on a week by week contract.

i dont think i have ever read a good thing about t. hills in camp notes.

[LLT]

my prediction was tony hills would never contribute to the team in a positive way. the 2008 draft is looking pretty bad

If I recall....you predicted Hills to be a bust soon after we drafted him.

Kudos!!!:applaudit:

[LLT]

good bye andre frazier and patrick bailey. younger, faster, stronger, and better has been drafted to replace you guys. i agree on logan. he will have to steal a spot from a reserve o-lineman or linebacker.

interesting thing about batch... if he is on the roster week 1 his entire contract for the year is guaranteed. if they release him before week 1 and sign him week 2, he is essentially playing on a week by week contract.

i dont think i have ever read a good thing about t. hills in camp notes.


I thought after this last draft that we might go with rookies at backup for both OLB positions. With the addition of Foote, we can always move Timmons to the outside if needed.

Funny thing is...I KNOW that we signed Frazier to a two year contract last year....but he isnt on the official Steelers roster.
http://www.steelers.com/team/roster.html

Anyone know why? He is at camp...right?


***edit***

never mind...he is on the PUP list due to "knee soreness"

[tony hipchest]

Anyone know why? He is at camp...right?he was put on the PUP the 1st day of camp which i believe was a kind way of letting him know his time is done unless we need him in the middle of the season.

Rookie OT Chris Scott and vet OLB Andre Frazier (knee discomfort) to start on PUP list. #steelers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23steelers) 3:12 PM Jul 30th (https://twitter.com/jimwexell/status/19939708943) via txt (https://twitter.com/devices)

-as per jim wexell

[LLT]

he was put on the PUP the 1st day of camp which i believe was a kind way of letting him know his time is done unless we need him in the middle of the season.

yea...I dont think "knee soreness" is usually a reason to be gone this long...unless the writing is on the wall and he is being told to just "hang out"...just in case a roster slot opens due to injury.

[SteelMember]

Are rookies considered camp fodder?

Doug Worthington, while having some upside, but considering our depth will probably only make a practice squad this year.

[SteelerSal]

Are rookies considered camp fodder?

Doug Worthington, while having some upside, but considering our depth will probably only make a practice squad this year.

Hell I'm hoping Worthington makes the 53 to add youth to the d-line.

[Devilsdancefloor]

Sean Mchugh
William Gay
If pouncy keeps getting praise Hartwig

All the guys that made the roster last year as a ST only guy.

[LLT]

Sean Mchugh
William Gay
If pouncy keeps getting praise Hartwig

All the guys that made the roster last year as a ST only guy.

I wouldnt mind seeing Pouncy showing enough to start at center and keeping Legursky as a backup. However, I think that we will cut Legursky and keep Hartwig until his contract runs out.

[LLT]

Are rookies considered camp fodder?

Doug Worthington, while having some upside, but considering our depth will probably only make a practice squad this year.

Spot on...Worthington goes to the PS. Hopefully Harris contributes at DE this year.

[SteelerSal]

I hope Legursky sticks. Something about him that I like.

[LLT]

I hope Legursky sticks. Something about him that I like.

He is one of my favorite players. I think its his throwback mentality that I like so much. A real lunchpail type of player that I can relate to. As far as skill set...he makes the most out of what he has and truly does use leverage and strength as well as any O-lineman we have on the roster. If he was another 3 inches taller with a longer wingspan he would be a starter.

[SteelMember]

Hell I'm hoping Worthington makes the 53 to add youth to the d-line.

While I wouldn't disagree with that, it all inevitably becomes a numbers game for how many players you can keep at each position. If it comes down to a vet like Eason vs. Worthington, I say definitely... if their play was equal, but being such a low draft pick isn't encouraging. That just tells me he has some growing to do. You don't want guys cutting their teeth on your 53 just for the basic premise of getting younger.


Spot on...Worthington goes to the PS. Hopefully Harris contributes at DE this year.

I think the fact they brought him back last year, after attempting to hide him on the practice squad, says volumes on what the staff thought of him. It took some doing, so I don't think they'll let him go so easily this year. So, basically... I'm hoping the same.

[LLT]

Devilsdancefloor brought up an interesting point in Sean McHugh....To be honest I hope we keep him and cut Matt Spaeth.

[SteelMember]

Devilsdancefloor brought up an interesting point in Sean McHugh....To be honest I hope we keep him and cut Matt Spaeth.

I can't say I see that happening though. Even as invisable as he's been in the past, he'll still make the cut over McHugh, imo.

[The Duke]

Devilsdancefloor brought up an interesting point in Sean McHugh....To be honest I hope we keep him and cut Matt Spaeth.

Hmm....I dunno. Love McHugh, excellent pickup from a winless team, but while Spaeth sucks as a blocker (to put it nicely :chuckle:) he is the only reliable pass catching tight end on the team other than heath. If heath goes down we'd have no one at TE to throw to

It will be an interesting decision. David Johnson has a lot of upside and could make mchugh expendable. It would all be better if we had Byham though....

Hills is as good as gone by now

As for Mundy, I've been hearing good things about him, contrary to the last two years, 08 injured most of TC and was almost invisible in 09. Besides, at safety we have Troy Clark Allen and....? They need that 4th safety at least, my guess is it's Mundy

[LLT]

I can't say I see that happening though. Even as invisable as he's been in the past, he'll still make the cut over McHugh, imo.

Spaeth is an absolutely HORRIBLE blocker....and like you said, he has been invisible on the stat charts....I would have no problem with McHugh over Spaeth.

[BuddhaBus]

Tony Hills
Matt Spaeth (hopefully)
Patrick Bailey
Charlie Batch
Anthony Madison
Arnaz Battle
Andre Frazier

I think Logan finds a way to stay. Mundy as well for depth.

[Psycho Ward 86]

DAMNIT i thought this was gonna be a "Bruce Arians gets the boot" thread

[xX-TSK-Xx]

Devilsdancefloor brought up an interesting point in Sean McHugh....To be honest I hope we keep him and cut Matt Spaeth.

Absolutely. I would love for DJ and McHough to make the roster over Spaeth.

[Psycho Ward 86]

while Spaeth sucks as a blocker (to put it nicely :chuckle:) he is the only reliable pass catching tight end on the team other than heath. If heath goes down we'd have no one at TE to throw to


Lol, im gonna have to disagree strongly with the bold. So far in his 3 mediocre seasons, he's shown that he can't get open despite his massive frame, his catching is questionable, painfully slow, he has zero YAC ability, and his blocking is just laughable.

His only upside so far is youth and size. (Age: 26, 6'7'', 270lb)

Im not bonkers about McHugh either, but him and Spaeth both have the same problem of not being able to get their pad level down when they're blocking, which i cant blame the guys because they're 6'7'' and 6'5''. I guess McHugh is a tad better......I'd be cool with Heath Miller, Sean McHugh, and David Johnson personally. I actually like Johnson better.

[Chidi29]

Devilsdancefloor brought up an interesting point in Sean McHugh....To be honest I hope we keep him and cut Matt Spaeth.

I'd be fine with that too, but I doubt it happens. We tendered Matt; if we didn't like him, we wouldn't have done that.

[xX-TSK-Xx]

I'd be fine with that too, but I doubt it happens. We tendered Matt; if we didn't like him, we wouldn't have done that.

True. Maybe the front office tendered Spaeth in hopes someone was desperate enough to match and give us a draft pick.... I can hope. :chuckle:

[Steelersfan]

Cutting Logan would be a HUGE mistake and the Steelers usually don't make mistakes. Logan makes the team.

It would be mistake NOT to cut Batch. We have ARE and Hines as emergency back-up QBs and Batch would be just 15 minutes away in Homestead if Leftwich or Dixon gets hurt in one of the first four games. We are in desperate need of that roster spot this year.

The practice squad will have 8 pretty damn good prospects on it this year. Hope we don't lose anyone. I'm thinking some guys like Worthington, Antonio Brown, Chris Scott, Thorton, Butler, Urbik, Dwyer, Brooks, Jolly & Bright etc. could end up there.

Some surprise veteran cuts could include names like Gay, Hoke, Moore, Spaeth or Hartwig.

I'm hoping for the O-line to be:
LT - Starks
LG - Kemo
OC - Legursky
RG - Pouncey
RT - Adams

Guys real close to the bubble:
Grisham
Battle
Adrian Jones
McHugh
McLendon
Wright
Mundy
Summers
Paxson

Guys on the wrong (Cut) side of the bubble are guys like:
Hills
Baily
Frazier
Madison
Tuff Harris
London
Pitman
Vincent
Isaiah Williams
Renauld Williams

[SteelerFanInStl]

Sean Mchugh
William Gay
If pouncy keeps getting praise Hartwig

All the guys that made the roster last year as a ST only guy.

No way Gay gets cut and I don't see Hartwig going anywhere either. Gay is a good nickel or dime back. He just shouldn't be a starter. Hartwig sucks but Pouncey isn't ready yet to start at C.

Hills will be gone. He's done nothing since being drafted. I think that Batch will be gone also. He's the #4 QB and we won't keep 4. I wouldn't mind seeing Spaeth get cut but I don't know if we have anyone to replace him. The rest of the TEs besides Heath don't seem to catch the ball very well.

[7willBheaven]

I've got most of what i think the roster should be as of now. The last 3-4 spots are up for grabs...and it depends if we keep Batch around...though my question is...during suspension does Ben count against the 53 man roster or not? If not then that opens a spot ...though when Ben is back that means the end of Batch.

The last 3-4 spots could come down to...Battle or Brown, Sylvester, Logan, McHugh or Johnson, Foster or Legursky or C. Scott or J. Scott (if C. Scott goes on IR or not who knows).

I too see Hills getting the boot...and possibly ST only guys like Madison and Bailey. It wouldnt be a huge shock if Hartwig got the boot and we keep Legursky as the BU C.

Worthington will probably be PS bound along with Thornton, Redman, etc.

Someone said guys like "Worthington, Antonio Brown, Chris Scott, Thorton, Butler, Urbik, Dwyer, Brooks, Jolly & Bright etc. could end up there." could end up on the PS...are you kidding? Dwyer wouldnt last long at all on the PS...and i dont see Butler or Urbik or even Scott lasting too long...though Scott or Brown COULD end up there...just depends how his injury goes. The rest of them I could see.

And for those wanting to can Logan saying he's on dimensional and not worth it. Thats nuts...he does his ST stuff (returns and coverage), and he can play WR and RB...we only got a small peek of him on O at the end of the year, but hes been working during camp more at these spots. I just dont see why sooo many people want to get rid of a guy who set records last year and was top 3 returner.

[The Duke]

Lol, im gonna have to disagree strongly with the bold. So far in his 3 mediocre seasons, he's shown that he can't get open despite his massive frame, his catching is questionable, painfully slow, he has zero YAC ability, and his blocking is just laughable.

His only upside so far is youth and size. (Age: 26, 6'7'', 270lb)



To be honest, I'm basing the "reliable pass catcher" bit entirely on his two starts in 08 where he had 6 catches in each game. Sure, not overly impressive, but it's more than what we've seen of Johnson or McHugh as pass catchers

and if heath goes down we would be screwed without anyone at tight end to throw to. Unless spaeth stays as a #3 TE. I hate to think he has to stay cause he is horrendous blocking, but he is kinda needed in that aspect.

His size, well I always hated it. After seeing leonard pope, 6'8, I knew being that tall as a tight end wouldn't help him

I love johnson! but even in college he wasn't much of a receiver. He has more upside than McHugh as a blocker though. Plus he is younger.

I see it being Heath, Johnson, Spaeth at this point

Byham could have easily replaced Spaeth though. Excellent blocker and good enough receiver

stupid 49ers....

[Steeldude]

Cutting Logan would be a HUGE mistake and the Steelers usually don't make mistakes. Logan makes the team.

It would be mistake NOT to cut Batch. We have ARE and Hines as emergency back-up QBs and Batch would be just 15 minutes away in Homestead if Leftwich or Dixon gets hurt in one of the first four games. We are in desperate need of that roster spot this year.

The practice squad will have 8 pretty damn good prospects on it this year. Hope we don't lose anyone. I'm thinking some guys like Worthington, Antonio Brown, Chris Scott, Thorton, Butler, Urbik, Dwyer, Brooks, Jolly & Bright etc. could end up there.

Some surprise veteran cuts could include names like Gay, Hoke, Moore, Spaeth or Hartwig. (anything is possible, but i seriously doubt gay, hoke, moore and hartwig will be cut. spaeth is possible.)

I'm hoping for the O-line to be:
LT - Starks
LG - Kemo
OC - Legursky
RG - Pouncey
RT - Adams

Guys real close to the bubble:
Grisham <--- my darkhorse pick to make the team
Battle
Adrian Jones
McHugh
McLendon
Wright
Mundy
Summers
Paxson



.

[tony hipchest]

everyone does know that arnez battle has already been paid a million dollar bonus, correct?

i seriously doubt the rooneys give guys a cool mil, just to cut them before they ever step foot inside the "stadium".

[solardave]

I hope Legursky sticks. Something about him that I like.

Legursky reminds me (just his approach) of John Banasczak. Packs his lunch and goes to work. Blue collar. That's why I'd like to see him stick.

[solardave]

I think Logan makes the team but I agree Hills is gone and I'd like to see Arains cut. (OH NO, HE DIDN'T JUST START A FIRE ARIANS THREAD?):peep:

[SteelMember]

I've got most of what i think the roster should be as of now. The last 3-4 spots are up for grabs...and it depends if we keep Batch around...though my question is...during suspension does Ben count against the 53 man roster or not? If not then that opens a spot ...though when Ben is back that means the end of Batch.

It's my understanding that Ben's place on the roster will not count against the 53 man count until he returns from his suspension... Meaning we could keep 4 until his return, but it's also my understanding that "if" Batch is on the roster to begin the season, he is guaranteed money for the season (1mil?)... whether he remains on the roster or not. So, If it's me... we gotta cut him after pre-season.

Sorry Charlie.

[SteelMember]

And for those wanting to can Logan saying he's on dimensional and not worth it. Thats nuts...he does his ST stuff (returns and coverage), and he can play WR and RB...we only got a small peek of him on O at the end of the year, but hes been working during camp more at these spots. I just dont see why sooo many people want to get rid of a guy who set records last year and was top 3 returner.

You never heard that from me...




Back on topic to Logan. I hope he can expand his role at a position, because I'd hate to give up the strides they finally made last year just because the guy is pigeon-holed as a specialist.

Loved what he did for us last year. Love to have him back.

Sanders/Brown could be "the" obstacle though if they show more depth value being a better wideout... which we know sanders is already.

[SteelMember]

everyone does know that arnez battle has already been paid a million dollar bonus, correct?

i seriously doubt the rooneys give guys a cool mil, just to cut them before they ever step foot inside the "stadium".

I believe that is the case.

I see the final 5 WR's as:

Ward
Wallace
Sanders
ARE
Battle

I will just say this though. There are almost 50 extra players on the camp roster that have inked contracts. Not all of the have guarenteed money, but most have some amout of signing bonus the team will eat if, and when they get cut. Sure, I'm all about not wasting money, just as in Batch's situation, but you're going to lose money one way or another. It's just going to be a question of how much the player is going to mean to the team as opposed to cutting bait and losing some cash. You basically end up paying them for the "tryout". :noidea:

[Steely McSmash]

I followed a link to a Bleacher Report article on this topic. The author's picks were nonsense but I thought it might be a decent idea to go over some guys who were on the 53 or PS last year who might be on the bubble this year.

Here's a dozen in no particular order

1. Nick Eason -- Still recovering from some intestinal surgery. Hood is probably the #1 backup at this point. Worthington, Harris and McLendon are all in the running for #2 and #3 if they carry 7 DL. Eason has played well lately but he'll have to fend off 2 second year players to keep a spot.

2. Stefan Logan -- This guy is going to live on the bubble unless he can manage some double duty at WR or RB. All reports are that he's still the man on returns though.

3. Justing Hartwig -- Coming off of shoulder surgery he's been limited so far this offseason. You might expect him to get some push from Legursky or Pouncey. He's definitely not in the long term plans. If he isn't an upgrade over the other guys he's gone I think.

4. Matt Spaeth -- Perhaps wishfull thinking but, his limited blocking ability might make it hard for him to hold down his spot. If McHugh can show more versatility to be a #2 he may be hitting the road. The team did not tender him highly so I think there is a chance.

5. Kraig Urbik - He may get a bit of break as it's only his 2nd year but so far he's shown nothing. Expect the team to keep 2-3 Backups that can play guard. One of these is all but certain to be Essex or Pouncey. The rest of the guys are headed by Legursky, Ramon Foster, Adrian Jones and then Urbik.

6. Tony Hills -- Only on the bubble as a formality. He's just not strong enough at the point of attack. After presumed starters Starks and Adams, you're looking at backups Essex and J. Scott with the inside track.

7. Frank Summers -- dispite the draft hype, he never looked good on gameday last preseason. He has competition from Wright and D. Johnson to hold down a roster spot.

8. Patrick Bailey - Mostly a ST contributor last year. He's clinging to the bubble with his fingertips I think. ILB is stacked with Timmons, Foote, Farrior, Fox with Sylvester looking at the PS maybe. OLB has Frazier as a lock at backup with rookies Worilds and Gibson likely to hold roster spots and contribute on ST. Unless there are injuries or the rookie LB just cannot play ST, I don't see a place for him.

9. Chris Hoke - DL has a lot of young talent and Hoke is getting old although he has low mileage. Hood has taken some snaps at Nose. I think he makes the team unless someone really shines at nose during preseason. McLendon or Harris might be the competition.

10. Every CB not Ike Taylor. -- Last year we carried Burnett and K. Lewis as redshirts basically. Gay looked poor and Madison is mostly a ST guy. BMac and Ike will take the top 2 spots. The rest will battle it out with Rookie Butler and assorted camp bodies for spots 3-5

11. Tyler Grisham - A surprise keeper last year. He looked to be a candidate for a quick possession guy out of the slot. He has stiff veteran and rookie competition to make the squad now. ARE, Battle, Sanders, A. Brown are all legitimate contendors. I've heard some good reports on London as well. Sanders is probably a lock and one of ARE and Battle are sure to make it per Steeler policy of keeping an older vet on the bench. That leaves the rest fighting for 1 or maybe 2 roster spots.

12. Doug Legursky - I think he's slightly on the bubble. The only way that his spot on the roster is assured if Hartwig or Pouncey get hurt or Hartwig doesn't make the team. Otherwise he'll have to stick based on being a quality backup and playing well at guard. If Hartwig starts with Pouncey at RG, I think there is still an arguement that you want Legursky on the team as a position flexible backup and so you don't have to make 2 changes (sliding Pouncey over) if Hartwig goes down. That being said there is a new OL coach and a lot of guys in play.

[7willBheaven]

This post should be combined with this one http://www.steeluniverse.net/forums/showthread.php?1751-Hey-Hey-Hey...Goodbye!!! about players getting cut. But out of your list, Grisham, Bailey and Hills are gone for sure i think...Legursky is up in the air and i think the rest are safe. Though i wouldnt mind Hartwig getting the boot.

[MULLDOG24]

I don't think Legursky is going anywhere cause Hartwig is coming off shoulder injury and may not be 100%. In addition I think Kugler will like Legursky cause he is a mean and nasty bull of an O-lineman which fits his coaching style. So if Hartwig isn't in the long term plans we have to have a quality back up center/guard and I feel legursky is.

[Chidi29]

If it were me, I'd cut Batch before Week 1. Roll with just Leftwich and Dixon Week 1 (We went with Dixon and Palko once last year, we can roll the dice again). Bring back Charlie for Week 2, making his contract non-guaranteed, and cut him when Ben is reinstated.

[SteelerSal]

If it were me, I'd cut Batch before Week 1. Roll with just Leftwich and Dixon Week 1 (We went with Dixon and Palko once last year, we can roll the dice again). Bring back Charlie for Week 2, making his contract non-guaranteed, and cut him when Ben is reinstated.

We can cut Batch and never look back, IMO.
Lefty and Dixon can hold down the fort and like others have posted....Randle El can be the emergency 3rd that will never sniff the field at the qb position.
I think we are fine with this till Ben gets back.

[MULLDOG24]

Logan,Hills,Baily,and Madison would be my picks at this point. I think Legursky sticks. If we release Legursky and Hartwig doesn,t pan out because of injury or just not being up to snuff then we have no viable back-up center.

[The Duke]

Eason is my surprise cut if Harris and/or Worthington step up

Grisham though is my surprise #6 receiver. I loved him at clemson, and still hope he can make the team. He''d be safe on the practic squad though....

[vrabinec]

Eason looks like crap, I agree with that one. I think he's toast. The youngsters are too good to pass over in order to keep him. Hills is gone IMO. The other guys are in fights, but I wouldn't count them out yet.

[The Duke]

Really, eason's looking bad? I've always seen him being pretty good, but if the young linemen can be pretty good also then bye bye Nick

Agree about hills :chuckle:

[Chidi29]

Eason is my surprise cut if Harris and/or Worthington step up

Grisham though is my surprise #6 receiver. I loved him at clemson, and still hope he can make the team. He''d be safe on the practic squad though....

But I think you'd be a little too young at backup DL. I'd like to have at least one vet there.

Worthington is a little small and not as strong as you need him to be. It'd be best to put him on the practice squad one year and let him bulk up.