Wallace: Tannehill Can Be As Good As Big Ben

[Shoes]

When Mike Wallace (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12601/mike-wallace) left the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-steelers) to sign with the Miami Dolphins (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/mia/miami-dolphins), he also went from catching passes from a veteran Super Bowl champion to a quarterback entering his second season in the NFL.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9278114/mike-wallace-ryan-tannehill-miami-dolphins-good-ben-roethlisberger

Well Mike, I think Wheaton will be a much better WR than you.

[GBMelBlount]

They could be a very potent combination.

All things considered I am glad we rid ourselves of that cancer.

[blackngldblood]

Mike Wallace seems to lack intelligence. I'm not saying he's dumb or anything, I'm just saying he seems a little under the IQ scores. What do you expect him to say though? He would have went to catch passes from Sanchez for that amount of money, and called him elite! He will one day realize that money isn't everything in this world.

[fansince'76]

Meh. I really tried hard to give a damn, but I just can't...

[Hindes204]

Tannehill actually has a hell of an arm, they will connect for quite a few yards this season. I think it's a little early to say wether or not he'll be as good as Ben, but he has some good tools to work with. Tannehill is a better QB than a lot of people give him credit for, I think him and Wallace together will be a pretty deadly combo.

[steelreserve]

Yeah, sorry Mike, but I think you're about to find out what happens when you go from a good team to one that sucks. I'd bet any amount of money that within a year and a half, your stats are down and you're bitching that you don't get the ball enough, and everyone thinks you're a diva who quit once you got your big contract.

[Shoes]

Meh. I really tried hard to give a damn, but I just can't...


:chuckle:

[Seven]

I think Tannehill has some potential, but the organization doesn't. I like some of the things they've done this offseason, namely stealing Brent Grimes via free agency, but there is a huge difference between an organization like the Steelers and one like the Miami Dolphins. Wallace and Tannehill might put up decent numbers but until that team gets it together I seriously doubt it will be racking up the wins. They paid Wallace and Ellerbe way too much. And decisions like that, seemingly a habit of the Dolphins organization, shouldn't inspire confidence. Then again, maybe all Wallace wants is to put up numbers regardless of the win/loss column.

[Psycho Ward 86]

whats the big deal? wallace has no reason to suck ben's balls while he's in miami and make tannehill feel resented? He's just giving his young sophomore quarterback the confidence that he needs

[Count Steeler]

Yeah, sorry Mike, but I think you're about to find out what happens when you go from a good team to one that sucks. I'd bet any amount of money that within a year and a half, your stats are down and you're bitching that you don't get the ball enough, and everyone thinks you're a diva who quit once you got your big contract.

Considering he quit before he got his big contract, I am not expecting much from him. However, I wish him all the best and I hope he gets his 2,000 yard season.

[zulater]

Meh. I really tried hard to give a damn, but I just can't...

Ditto. Wallace is in the rear view window. Not a concern anymore. I just want the Steelers receivers as a group to be more productive this season than last.

[43Hitman]

Meh. I really tried hard to give a damn, but I just can't...


Ditto. Wallace is in the rear view window. Not a concern anymore. I just want the Steelers receivers as a group to be more productive this season than last.

Same here, if we don't produce on offense this year you both know that the torch and pitchfork crowd will be calling for Haley, and probably Tomlin's head.

[tube517]

Meh. I really tried hard to give a damn, but I just can't...

This.

O Tannenbum hasn't shown me anything yet but Wallace should help.

Fins still suck, though.

[NJarhead]

Right Mike, and you're the next Jerry Rice. :rolleyes:

[steelreserve]

Considering he quit before he got his big contract, I am not expecting much from him. However, I wish him all the best and I hope he gets his 2,000 yard season.

Maybe if he plays Madden enough he will. It'd probably have to be on semi-pro though.

[XxKnightxX]

Tannehill did very well last year for the shit corps of Wrs that he had. He has a cannon and has the best arm for a player on the run. If they play their cards right this team can be a force to be reckoned with.

[st33lersguy]

Tannehill certainly will not get help from Wallace who will play at half speed now that he has his big pay day. Watch Wallace quit on the team when Miami continues to lose

[GodfatherofSoul]

The rest of his quote was "...if you tie Ben's left wrist to his right ankle."

[steeldawg]

Yeah, sorry Mike, but I think you're about to find out what happens when you go from a good team to one that sucks. I'd bet any amount of money that within a year and a half, your stats are down and you're bitching that you don't get the ball enough, and everyone thinks you're a diva who quit once you got your big contract.

I wouldnt sleep on the dolphins, they were not that bad last year lost a lot of close games and finished 7-9. They had a very good offseason and have a lot of momentum going into the season.

[tube517]

Same here, if we don't produce on offense this year you both know that the torch and pitchfork crowd will be calling for Haley, and probably Tomlin's head.

Let's get this out now and sticky the thread: http://www.strategyguidereviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/simpsons-mob-torches.jpg :chuckle:

[Seven]

If I were Mike, I'd be more excited about seeing the other Tannehill anyway... :chuckle:

http://sportsblog.bethubb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Lauren-Tannehill-1-300x300.jpg

[86WARD]

What do you want him to say? God forbid he try to be a good teammate...lol.

[GBMelBlount]

If I were Mike, I'd be more excited about seeing the other Tannehill anyway... :chuckle:

http://sportsblog.bethubb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Lauren-Tannehill-1-300x300.jpg

Wow, she has the whitest teeth I have ever.....oh.....forget it....

[steelerdude15]

Same here, if we don't produce on offense this year you both know that the torch and pitchfork crowd will be calling for Haley, and probably Tomlin's head.

People do that now...

[Dwinsgames]

Tannehill has a very strong arm , no question about that ....

where I have issue is we are talking about a second year QB who at this point we just do not know how he will develop ... he was over drafted IMO and if I am honest I do not believe he is as good as the kid we stole in the 4th round of this draft , how it all comes out in the wash is anyone's guess but based on Collegiate results and accomplishments Landry Jones is a far better prospect , and this draft in 2013 could see more long term starters come from it than people give credit by calling it a weak QB class ... sure it lacks OMG look at me star power on the surface but it was a very deep class with many potential future starters in it

how they develop long term remains to be seen they all have flaws , how hard they work to over come them and the systems they have been placed in will prove to be the telling tale in the outcome

[st33lersguy]

How can he succeed when his no. 1 WR will be one of the biggest busts from this free agency class

[steel striker]

I'm glad Wallace is gone now and, he will realize how good he had it in the Burgh after this season.

[steeldawg]

I'm glad Wallace is gone now and, he will realize how good he had it in the Burgh after this season.

how good did he have it? The fans turned on him, we went to a dink and dunk offense, we finished 8-8 and he was making 2.9 million a year. Now hes in Miami, hes the man, and hes sitting on a 60 million dollar contract. Im just not seeing where hes going to miss being in the burg.

[steelreserve]

I wouldnt sleep on the dolphins, they were not that bad last year lost a lot of close games and finished 7-9. They had a very good offseason and have a lot of momentum going into the season.

Yeah, but it's more fun to be a hater until they play some games and prove me wrong. Then if they actually do any good, I'll just blow it off anyway. It's a much easier way of doing business.

[fansince'76]

how good did he have it? The fans turned on him, we went to a dink and dunk offense, we finished 8-8 and he was making 2.9 million a year.

He's just lucky he was dealing with the Rooneys and not Kraft and Belichick - they would've cut him to the minimum $500k-and-some-change tender amount which the Rooneys had every right to do (but didn't) when he missed the June 15th deadline, and they would've done so without hesitation. He could've had it a LOT worse.

[steeldawg]

He's just lucky he was dealing with the Rooneys and not Kraft and Belichick - they would've cut him to the minimum $500k-and-some-change tender amount which the Rooneys had every right to do (but didn't) when he missed the June 15th deadline, and they would've done so without hesitation. He could've had it a LOT worse.

Pffft ya im sure as hes sitting in his mansion on south beach hes reflecting on how good he had it making 2.9 million in Pittsburgh. Puhlease, the situation he went to in Miami was a much better career move for him.

[zulater]

Pffft ya im sure as hes sitting in his mansion on south beach hes reflecting on how good he had it making 2.9 million in Pittsburgh. Puhlease, the situation he went to in Miami was a much better career move for him.

Career move? Word has it he went right out and bought a $600,000 Bentley. Wallace is one of those guys who will be broke within 5 years of leaving the league.

[steeldawg]

Career move? Word has it he went right out and bought a $600,000 Bentley. Wallace is one of those guys who will be broke within 5 years of leaving the league.

So he bought a Bentley you have no idea what he does with his money or what preperations he made for his future. Yes he made the right career move by going to Miami, unless you think signing for significantly less money to stay in Pittsburgh for another year would have been smarter.

[zulater]

So he bought a Bentley you have no idea what he does with his money or what preperations he made for his future. Yes he made the right career move by going to Miami, unless you think signing for significantly less money to stay in Pittsburgh for another year would have been smarter.

Time will tell if he made a good career move. If he's cut in two years how brilliant was it then? If he ends up like Stonio in New York being frustrated by substandard qb play will it be a good move then?

As far as the Bentley. The guys who spend excessively on frivilous things tend to go broke in a hurry. Go ask Allan Iverson what ever happened to his fleet of cars.

[steeldawg]

Time will tell if he made a good career move. If he's cut in two years how brilliant was it then? If he ends up like Stonio in New York being frustrated by substandard qb play will it be a good move then?

As far as the Bentley. The guys who spend excessively on frivilous things tend to go broke in a hurry. Go ask Allan Iverson what ever happened to his fleet of cars.

It doesn't matter because if hes going to play bad enough to be cut then he would've done it in Pittsburgh for a lot less and lets not kid ourselves its all about the guaranteed money and Wallace got 27 million up front. He bought a 600,000 dollar car he may have always wanted one that doesn't mean hes going to just blow all his money, maybe hes got a great fincial advisor and hes investing we simply do not know.

[zulater]

It doesn't matter because if hes going to play bad enough to be cut then he would've done it in Pittsburgh for a lot less and lets not kid ourselves its all about the guaranteed money and Wallace got 27 million up front. He bought a 600,000 dollar car he may have always wanted one that doesn't mean hes going to just blow all his money, maybe hes got a great fincial advisor and hes investing we simply do not know.

Yeah that million dollars worth of personal bling he bought was a wise investment too.

[st33lersguy]

how good did he have it? The fans turned on him, we went to a dink and dunk offense, we finished 8-8 and he was making 2.9 million a year. Now hes in Miami, hes the man, and hes sitting on a 60 million dollar contract. Im just not seeing where hes going to miss being in the burg.

He certainly won't have it better in Miami when the Dolphins miss the playoffs year after year after year.

[fansince'76]

Pffft ya im sure as hes sitting in his mansion on south beach hes reflecting on how good he had it making 2.9 million in Pittsburgh. Puhlease, the situation he went to in Miami was a much better career move for him.

I didn't say that. What I was alluding to was the fact that his last year in the Burgh could have been a lot worse from a paycheck standpoint, if the Rooneys were complete ballcutters. They were well within their rights to slash his tender to $577,000 after June 15th last year, but they didn't. He's lucky that he got $2.9 million, especially in light of the Steelers' cap situation and the fact that a number of other teams would have stuck it to him under the same circumstances.

Christ, never mind. Like talking to a brick wall.

[steelerdude15]

Pffft ya im sure as hes sitting in his mansion on south beach hes reflecting on how good he had it making 2.9 million in Pittsburgh. Puhlease, the situation he went to in Miami was a much better career move for him.

I personally disagree with the notion that he made a better career move by going to Miami. The Dolphins are not as good as the Steelers and haven't been for a long time. Yeah, the Steelers have their issues, but not nearly as many as the Dolphins have had over the years. I guess we'll see what happens this season.

[steeldawg]

I didn't say that. What I was alluding to was the fact that his last year in the Burgh could have been a lot worse from a paycheck standpoint, if the Rooneys were complete ballcutters. They were well within their rights to slash his tender to $577,000 after June 15th last year, but they didn't. He's lucky that he got $2.9 million, especially in light of the Steelers' cap situation and the fact that a number of other teams would have stuck it to him under the same circumstances.

Christ, never mind. Like talking to a brick wall.

Who cares if they could of slashed his tender the conversation that you responded to was about Wallace regretting leaving Pittsburgh.

[steeldawg]

I personally disagree with the notion that he made a better career move by going to Miami. The Dolphins are not as good as the Steelers and haven't been for a long time. Yeah, the Steelers have their issues, but not nearly as many as the Dolphins have had over the years. I guess we'll see what happens this season.

How? The steelers where only looking for a long term deal if they could pay him a lot less, Miami paid him 60 million over 5 years with 27 million up front. Miami may not have been as good as the steelers in the past but im not so sure that today that we are much better than them, not to mention its a weaker division.

[GBMelBlount]

Wallace was a one trick cancer and his trick wasn't Ben's strong suit.

Glad we rid ourselves of that cancer.

Good move all the way around imo.

[X-Terminator]

It doesn't matter because if hes going to play bad enough to be cut then he would've done it in Pittsburgh for a lot less and lets not kid ourselves its all about the guaranteed money and Wallace got 27 million up front. He bought a 600,000 dollar car he may have always wanted one that doesn't mean hes going to just blow all his money, maybe hes got a great fincial advisor and hes investing we simply do not know.

Wallace? Hire a great financial advisor?

:rofl2:

Yeah right. If he had any sense at all, he wouldn't have blown over half a million dollars on a car. I agree with Zulater - he'll be broke not long after his career is over. The worst thing you can do for someone like Wallace is give him almost $30 million up front. It's all about the money and the bling and having it all right now. The hell with the future. And this has nothing to do with any hate for Wallace - it's simply the reality of the situation when dealing with young and dumb athletes these days.

[steeldawg]

Time will tell if he made a good career move. If he's cut in two years how brilliant was it then? If he ends up like Stonio in New York being frustrated by substandard qb play will it be a good move then?

As far as the Bentley. The guys who spend excessively on frivilous things tend to go broke in a hurry. Go ask Allan Iverson what ever happened to his fleet of cars.your opinion of his finances is irrelevant, if he likes to spend money then it was obviously the right move with the guaranteed money, how in the world does playing for less money and a lot less guaranteed money make any sense for his career.

[Count Steeler]

your opinion of his finances is irrelevant, if he likes to spend money then it was obviously the right move with the guaranteed money, how in the world does playing for less money and a lot less guaranteed money make any sense for his career.

All depends how you define career. Is success to maximize financial pay? Is success a chance to play for a SB and maybe even win one?

[steeldawg]

All depends how you define career. Is success to maximize financial pay? Is success a chance to play for a SB and maybe even win one?

he has a chance to play for a superbowl and win one he just has the contract to go along with it now.

[Count Steeler]

he has a chance to play for a superbowl and win one he just has the contract to go along with it now.

Yup, the Dolphins have a chance to win one. Actually they have 2, and slim is making it's exit now.

[steelerdude15]

How? The steelers where only looking for a long term deal if they could pay him a lot less, Miami paid him 60 million over 5 years with 27 million up front. Miami may not have been as good as the steelers in the past but im not so sure that today that we are much better than them, not to mention its a weaker division.

I seemed to be a little confused about your post. Which division is weaker? The AFC East is the weaker division. The only good team is the Patriots. The other three can't even compete with them. Then you have our division with the Bengals, Ravens, and Steelers, not to mention the Browns are getting better.

How are we not better than Miami? What makes you think that they have a better team?

[86WARD]

Amazing what a tiny holdout can do to a fan base...lol.

[GBMelBlount]

Amazing what a tiny holdout can do to a fan base...lol.

I couldn't care less about the hold out once the season had started.

It was the underwhelming performances and locker room cancer.

[zulater]

Amazing what a tiny holdout can do to a fan base...lol.

I think it's more about the tiny season that followed.

[steeldawg]

I seemed to be a little confused about your post. Which division is weaker? The AFC East is the weaker division. The only good team is the Patriots. The other three can't even compete with them. Then you have our division with the Bengals, Ravens, and Steelers, not to mention the Browns are getting better.

How are we not better than Miami? What makes you think that they have a better team?

AFC east is the weaker division giving the dolphins a better shot at the playoffs, and if you look at our rosters we are not blowing them out of water by any stretch of the imagination.

[steelerdude15]

AFC east is the weaker division giving the dolphins a better shot at the playoffs, and if you look at our rosters we are not blowing them out of water by any stretch of the imagination.

How? We have a better QB, a better running game, a better offensive line, better TE's, better receivers, better well, everything. What position do the Dolphins have an advantage over the Steelers?

[86WARD]

I think it's more about the tiny season that followed.

You keep telling yourself that but the negativity towards Wallace, it all started with the holdout. And his "tiny" season, it wasn't that far off of his first few years...in a year where the while team was "tiny." With the exception on Heath Miller...

[Count Steeler]

You keep telling yourself that but the negativity towards Wallace, it all started with the holdout. And his "tiny" season, it wasn't that far off of his first few years...in a year where the while team was "tiny." With the exception on Heath Miller...

To be honest, I think the Wallace question marks started the season before when he disappeared for the second half of the season.

[steeldawg]

How? We have a better QB, a better running game, a better offensive line, better TE's, better receivers, better well, everything. What position do the Dolphins have an advantage over the Steelers?

The only thing you listed there that we might be significantly better than them in is QB, definetly not receiver Wallace, hartline, Gibson, and binns, is a better corp than brown, sanders, wheaton, cotchery/burress, TE we have heath they have keller, heath is better but its not a runaway. Running game is pretty much even unless leveon bell turns out to be a supertar. Their team is everybit equipped with the talent to win as ours is, we are not coming into this season with a powerhouse roster.

[NJarhead]

The only thing you listed there that we might be significantly better than them in is QB, definetly not receiver Wallace, hartline, Gibson, and binns, is a better corp than brown, sanders, wheaton, cotchery/burress, TE we have heath they have keller, heath is better but its not a runaway. Running game is pretty much even unless leveon bell turns out to be a supertar. Their team is everybit equipped with the talent to win as ours is, we are not coming into this season with a powerhouse roster.

Well, there ya go. Sounds like you're all set to make the transition from black & gold to orang & teal. Best of luck to you!

:coffee:

[steel striker]

I said it once and. aI'll say it again I'm glad Wallace is gone. For a guy with his speed he should have been open alot more than he was and, like several has mentioned he disappears in big games especially late in the season. Wallace should also stop with this non sense comparing his new Qb to Ben.

[steeldawg]

Well, there ya go. Sounds like you're all set to make the transition from black & gold to orang & teal. Best of luck to you!

:coffee:

No but I think its ridiculous to think we are this powerhouse who nobody can match up with and anyone who leaves is committing career suicide and has ruined any chance they had at a superbowl.

[steelreserve]

No but I think its ridiculous to think we are this powerhouse who nobody can match up with and anyone who leaves is committing career suicide and has ruined any chance they had at a superbowl.

You know what though, it's pretty common for big-name guys leaving ANY team to be disappointing in the place where they end up. A lot of the time, a big reason why you're doing well individually has to do with the players around you and the system being matches for your strengths, and that can be true on a 4-12 team as much as a playoff team. Then you go somewhere different and it doesn't work so well. Sometimes it's easy to see why, sometimes it isn't. Of course, there are some guys who are going to be good no matter where they go, but it's hard to predict that.

It's a big risk in any case, though, and in Wallace's case, since he chose to throw a season-long shitfit over money instead of acting like a professional - screw him, I hope he gets a big taste of humble pie, and so do the Dolphins as an enabler of that type of bullshit.

[Seven]

Mike Wallace: the most polarizing Steeler of the last decade.

[43Hitman]

Mike Wallace: the most polarizing Steeler of the last decade.

I think Willy Parker still holds that designation.:p

Sent from my ADR6325 using Tapatalk 2

[steeldawg]

You know what though, it's pretty common for big-name guys leaving ANY team to be disappointing in the place where they end up. A lot of the time, a big reason why you're doing well individually has to do with the players around you and the system being matches for your strengths, and that can be true on a 4-12 team as much as a playoff team. Then you go somewhere different and it doesn't work so well. Sometimes it's easy to see why, sometimes it isn't. Of course, there are some guys who are going to be good no matter where they go, but it's hard to predict that.

It's a big risk in any case, though, and in Wallace's case, since he chose to throw a season-long shitfit over money instead of acting like a professional - screw him, I hope he gets a big taste of humble pie, and so do the Dolphins as an enabler of that type of bullshit.

He did act like a pro he was getting paid dick he had no contract and knew steelers were not going to be able to give him a big deal, so he played cautiously. As far as a risk goes, not even close, taking 27 million guaranteed and another 33 mil for the rest of the contract was not a risk for a guy playing for 2.9 mil no long term deal and no guaranteed money. Wallace will not be a bust in miamis system its a much better fit for him then haleys offense, the move was the smartest thing he could of done for himself staying in the burgh would of been career suicide.

[43Hitman]

He did act like a pro he was getting paid dick he had no contract and knew steelers were not going to be able to give him a big deal, so he played cautiously. As far as a risk goes, not even close, taking 27 million guaranteed and another 33 mil for the rest of the contract was not a risk for a guy playing for 2.9 mil no long term deal and no guaranteed money. Wallace will not be a bust in miamis system its a much better fit for him then haleys offense, the move was the smartest thing he could of done for himself staying in the burgh would of been career suicide.

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[steelreserve]

He did act like a pro he was getting paid dick he had no contract and knew steelers were not going to be able to give him a big deal, so he played cautiously. As far as a risk goes, not even close, taking 27 million guaranteed and another 33 mil for the rest of the contract was not a risk for a guy playing for 2.9 mil no long term deal and no guaranteed money. Wallace will not be a bust in miamis system its a much better fit for him then haleys offense, the move was the smartest thing he could of done for himself staying in the burgh would of been career suicide.

All I'm talking about with risk is the risk of his on-the-field performance going down with a change of scenery. Obviously there's no risk of having enough money, which would've been true whether he signed the original $50M deal offered here or any deal he got elsewhere.

As for acting like a pro - you've got to be fucking kidding me, is all I have to say about that.

[steeldawg]

All I'm talking about with risk is the risk of his on-the-field performance going down with a change of scenery. Obviously there's no risk of having enough money, which would've been true whether he signed the original $50M deal offered here or any deal he got elsewhere.

As for acting like a pro - you've got to be fucking kidding me, is all I have to say about that.

Its not true with the 50 million dollar contract because he turned it down because the guaranteed money was not even close to 27 million. So there was no way in hell the steelers where going to be able to pay him a contract anywhere near the one he got on the free agent market, so I really don't see any risk or anyway it was a bad move for him. Also yes he acted like a pro, he held out big deal pro's do it all the time, he never bad mouthed the organization or any of his teammates , he held out for a better deal and he got one, while everyone was saying how dumb him and his agent where and what a mistake they where making but look at him now he got the multi year deal that dwarfed the steelers original offer. Say what you want but it was a savvy move.

[st33lersguy]

He did act like a pro he was getting paid dick he had no contract and knew steelers were not going to be able to give him a big deal, so he played cautiously.

Oh, so Wallace quitting on a team and being a locker room cancer just because he wasn't offered the money he wanted especially when he was offered over 40 million dollars for 5 years from a cap-strapped team, was acting like a professional? All that shows is no character and no class. When this Dolphins team struggles, (and believe me they will), I am sure Wallace will quit on them as well.

[steelreserve]

Its not true with the 50 million dollar contract because he turned it down because the guaranteed money was not even close to 27 million. So there was no way in hell the steelers where going to be able to pay him a contract anywhere near the one he got on the free agent market, so I really don't see any risk or anyway it was a bad move for him. Also yes he acted like a pro, he held out big deal pro's do it all the time, he never bad mouthed the organization or any of his teammates , he held out for a better deal and he got one, while everyone was saying how dumb him and his agent where and what a mistake they where making but look at him now he got the multi year deal that dwarfed the steelers original offer. Say what you want but it was a savvy move.

Shrewd from a business sense? Fine. Needlessly catty and classless while doing it? You bet your ass he was.

The key word there is NEEDLESSLY. He didn't NEED to hold out in the preseason; in fact, it was exactly the opposite of what would've helped. He didn't NEED to show up unprepared. He didn't NEED to give half effort, pout around all year, or complain about not getting the ball enough. In other words, he could've gotten the exact same big contract from the Dolphins without acting like a complete dickhead in the meantime.

You want an example of someone handling the same situation with at least some amount of class, look at, say, Alan Faneca. He knew he probably wasn't coming back, but he at least gave full effort, and the worst he said was something to the effect of, "I'd prefer it if I was playing on more than a one-year deal, but for as long as I'm on this team, I'm playing as hard as I can for them." I wasn't crazy about him leaving over more money (especially since we also offered him a sizeable contract), but the way he handled it made it a lot easier to say, "Yeah, this is the business side of the game and sometimes things like this happen, no hard feelings."

I don't know what you count as "unprofessional," but apparently by your standards Wallace would've had to be throwing 40 bottles in the locker room, calling the fans a bunch of motherfuckers on the postgame show, staying up all night getting hammered on a $500K gambling binge the night before a game, smoking crack on the sidelines during every commercial break, and banging the coach's wife behind his back, and even then you'd probably say "You can't blame him, he got more money with the Dolphins, so he did the right thing in the end."

Seriously. Wallace didn't act unprofessionally. Are you shitting me?

[GBMelBlount]

...and if there is anyone who knows an "Inconsiderate S.O.B" when they see one....It's Steelreserve. :lol:

[Count Steeler]

He did act like a pro he was getting paid dick he had no contract and knew steelers were not going to be able to give him a big deal, so he played cautiously. As far as a risk goes, not even close, taking 27 million guaranteed and another 33 mil for the rest of the contract was not a risk for a guy playing for 2.9 mil no long term deal and no guaranteed money. Wallace will not be a bust in miamis system its a much better fit for him then haleys offense, the move was the smartest thing he could of done for himself staying in the burgh would of been career suicide.

Oxymoronic. He acted like a pro by playing cautiously? Good riddance.

[steeldawg]

Oxymoronic. He acted like a pro by playing cautiously? Good riddance.

No professionals play for money, a career, this is their job, a guy who is on the verge of a big pay day is not going to risk major injury for a team who is not going to give him a contract, alan fanacea could afford to to play to win he had already been in the league 5 years and was drafted first round 40 million 21 guaranteed making the highest paid lineman at that time. so its easy to act gracious when your already paid, and its easier to go out on the field and put your self at risk when your sitting on 40 million.

[Count Steeler]

No professionals play for money, a career, this is their job, a guy who is on the verge of a big pay day is not going to risk major injury for a team who is not going to give him a contract, alan fanacea could afford to to play to win he had already been in the league 5 years and was drafted first round 40 million 21 guaranteed making the highest paid lineman at that time. so its easy to act gracious when your already paid, and its easier to go out on the field and put your self at risk when your sitting on 40 million.

Professionals play! Period. End of story. No qualifications. The rest is BS.

[steelreserve]

No professionals play for money, a career, this is their job, a guy who is on the verge of a big pay day is not going to risk major injury for a team who is not going to give him a contract, alan fanacea could afford to to play to win he had already been in the league 5 years and was drafted first round 40 million 21 guaranteed making the highest paid lineman at that time. so its easy to act gracious when your already paid, and its easier to go out on the field and put your self at risk when your sitting on 40 million.

News flash: You risk major injury any time you step out on the football field, whether you're playing half-assed or not. In fact, there are those who think playing cautiously makes you MORE likely to get hurt because if everyone else is playing all-out, you end up in vulnerable positions.

Another news flash: The only reason Wallace wasn't sitting on a huge pile of money already was because he chose to turn one down to try for a bigger pile of money. It was a calculated gamble, and - since you keep bringing up the fact that he's such a shrewd businessman - he was 100% aware of the risks, right?

Now, what a professional does in that situation is take responsibility for his fucking decision and do the best job he can. What Wallace did is make the decision and then try to weasel out of the risk by mailing it in, at the expense of his teammates and the fans, who were both counting on him. Who cares, he got his money, so he showed everyone, right? What a selfish, selfish prick.

[steeldawg]

News flash: You risk major injury any time you step out on the football field, whether you're playing half-assed or not. In fact, there are those who think playing cautiously makes you MORE likely to get hurt because if everyone else is playing all-out, you end up in vulnerable positions.

Another news flash: The only reason Wallace wasn't sitting on a huge pile of money already was because he chose to turn one down to try for a bigger pile of money. It was a calculated gamble, and - since you keep bringing up the fact that he's such a shrewd businessman - he was 100% aware of the risks, right?

Now, what a professional does in that situation is take responsibility for his fucking decision and do the best job he can. What Wallace did is make the decision and then try to weasel out of the risk by mailing it in, at the expense of his teammates and the fans, who were both counting on him. Who cares, he got his money, so he showed everyone, right? What a selfish, selfish prick.

He did take responsibility he was out there every game, he never bad mouthed anyone, he just went out there with the mindset to not get injured. You can spare me the team and fans where counting on him crap because we both know if he goes out there and blows his knee out the fans and the team are going to toss him to the curb like trash. Bottom line Wallace made a very good career move, he got the money he wanted, he got the terms he wanted and he went to a team and a fan base that wants him.

[steelreserve]

He did take responsibility he was out there every game, he never bad mouthed anyone, he just went out there with the mindset to not get injured. You can spare me the team and fans where counting on him crap because we both know if he goes out there and blows his knee out the fans and the team are going to toss him to the curb like trash. Bottom line Wallace made a very good career move, he got the money he wanted, he got the terms he wanted and he went to a team and a fan base that wants him.

No, I won't spare you that "crap." He's a professional football player, why is he making millions of dollars? Because the team is paying him to help it win - and that money is in turn coming from the fans, who also expect him to try his very best. You seem to think that the money is just there, and he's entitled to it because he's an NFL player, and that he's entitled to his next contract and whatever else he'd like. No. Are you smoking crack? Nobody is paying him to give a half-assed effort.

Sure, he had every right to go somewhere else to get more money - but no right whatsoever to be paid to do a job, then spend a whole season moping and dicking around.

And spare me that crap about him smartly playing not to get injured. That's not what he was doing; he was moping and dicking around, which did no good for anyone. It was plain as day, and yes, I totally CAN blame him. Fuck that dumb son of a whore.

[43Hitman]

...and if there is anyone who knows an "Inconsiderate S.O.B" when they see one....It's Steelreserve. :lol:

Lmao. Truth

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[st33lersguy]

He did take responsibility he was out there every game, he never bad mouthed anyone, he just went out there with the mindset to not get injured. You can spare me the team and fans where counting on him crap because we both know if he goes out there and blows his knee out the fans and the team are going to toss him to the curb like trash. Bottom line Wallace made a very good career move, he got the money he wanted, he got the terms he wanted and he went to a team and a fan base that wants him.

Mike Wallace is a professional football player whose primary job is to play football. Him half-assing the season, especially after turning down a lucrative offer was a chickens*** move. A true professional puts forth the effort necessary to help the team he is currently on win despite not being satisfied with his situation.

[GBMelBlount]

Steeldawg

Bottom line Wallace made a very good career move, he got the money he wanted, he got the terms he wanted and he went to a team and a fan base that wants him.I am just curious Dawg.

Now that he is "rich" I would wonder if you expect him to randomly give his money to other people to support your utopian model of economic stimulation through random wealth redistribution?

LOL.

[steeldawg]

Now that he is "rich" I would wonder if you expect him to randomly give his money to other people to support your utopian model of economic stimulation through random wealth redistribution?

LOL.

Soon as you can show me my model for a utopian society, then you can tell me if he has enough money, and since you love to put words in my mouth and then argue against them why don't you just have a conversation with yourself.

[BigNastyDefense]

No but I think its ridiculous to think we are this powerhouse who nobody can match up with and anyone who leaves is committing career suicide and has ruined any chance they had at a superbowl.

Often when players leave the Steelers, they don't go on to have stellar careers afterwards.

Joey Porter was cut, had a big season in Miami shortly afterwards, then underwhelmed, was cut, went to the Cardinals, had one big season and then became invisible and was eventually cut.

Plaxico Burress went to the Giants, won a Super Bowl with them, then shot himself in the leg, did some jail time, came back and played for the Jets and had an underwhelming season, now is back with the Steelers and is a #3 receiver at best that can't play the slot.

The Steelers haven't had a sub-.500 season since 2003 when they wen't 6-10 and ended up drafting Roethlisberger. They've won two Super Bowls and played in three since that time. They've won numerous division titles in that time. They were on their way to the playoffs and likely a division title last year before Big Ben got injured, and they finished one game out of an AFC Playoff spot.

The Dolphins have not been good in years. They had a fluke playoff and division championship year in 2008, the same year Tom Brady tore his ACL in the first game of the season. Since 2004 they have been above .500 just twice, making the playoffs just once. Their ownership looks more like a red carpet premier than an NFL ownership group. Their majority owner, Stephen Ross, has yet to show that he's got what it takes to become an owner who will be able to win on a regular basis. He just won the offseason by singing Wallace, Dustin Keller, Dannelle Ellerbe, and Brent Grimes. The Buccanneers won the offseason last year and they found themselves out of the playoffs. Look at all the years the Redskins "won the offseason" and ended up with a losing record.

I am going to look at the starters for both teams and compare.

Quarterback: Ben Roethlisberger/Ryan Tannehill
Big Ben by a huuuuuuuge margin. He's got the experience, he's got two Super Bowl rings, and he's probably a future Hall of Fame member. Tannehill is coming into his second where he was mediocre at best as a rookie.
Edge: Steelers

Wide Receiver: Antonio Brown-Emmanuel Sanders/Mike Wallace-Brian Hartline
Brown is a better overall receiver than Wallace. He is willing to go over-the-middle, and he fights for the ball in traffic, both things that Wallace didn't like to do in Pittsburgh. Sanders has had problems staying healthy, but if he does he gives up the blow-the-top-open speed that Wallace brought us, and he's also willing to go over the middle. Hartline is a good and underrated player, but last year was his first with 1000 yards and he still hauled in just one touchdown. He'd likely be fighting for the third receiver in Pittsburgh. Mike Wallace has shown that if things aren't going his way, he doesn't play hard. And he showed that in a contract year. He's fast as hell, but his hands aren't as good as they can be, and he loses concentration when he thinks he's gonna be hit.
Edge: Steelers

Tight End: Heath Miller/Dustin Keller
Heath Miller is a Pro Bowl TE who's just as valuable as a blocker as he is a pass catcher. He catches just about anything that's thrown his way, makes catches in traffic, and has proven to be a "safety valve" for Big Ben when he's under pressure. He's a big red zone target. He should be playing by the time the Steelers play the Dolphins, IMO. Don't know if he will be available early in the season. Dustin Keller has proven in his short career that he can be a weapon in the passing game. But I still think Miller is better, as long as he's healthy.
Edge: Steelers

Running Back: Le'Veon Bell/Daniel Thomas
Bell is a rookie, and I am penciling him in as the starter as long as he doesn't end up with fumbleitis in camp. Thomas is entering his third year, and he played in one less game last season than the year before, ran for less yards, but had 4 touchdowns. He's also basically an unknown, seeing how he was behind Reggie Bush last year.
Edge: Push

Left Tackle: Mike Adams/Jonathon Martin
Mike Adams was hurt last season, but has the potential to become a very good LT in the NFL. Martin also has the same potential, but last year he was behind Jake Long who left via FA in the offseason. Neither has much experience in NFL games, so I don't know what we'll get from either.
Edge: Push

Left Guard: Ramon Foster/Richie Incognito
Foster is a solid guard, but he's nothing special. Incognito has all the talent to be a dominant guard, but mentally he doesn't seem to have it and at least in the past has been known for playing past the whistle and costing his team stupid personal foul penalties. I don't know of Incognito has gotten that under control, I really haven't been able to watch much of the Dolphins and since he doesn't play in the division I don't follow him like I would if he did.
Edge: Dolphins

Center: Maurkice Pouncey/Mike Pouncey
Maurkice is considered the second best center in the AFC, if not the league. He's had some injury issues, but I think he can get past that this year and when healthy he's a Pro Bowl center. His brother is Mike, the center for the Dolphins. Coming into the NFL many thought he might be a better fit at guard, and most feel he's not on Maurkice's level.
Edge: Steelers

Right Guard: David DeCastro/John Jerry
DeCastro suffered a freak knee injury in the preseason last year when he was penciled in as the Steelers starter as a rookie. When he did finally get healthy enough to play, he got hurt again. Heading into the season he was considered the best guard prospect in a long time, possibly since 1998. If he can stay healthy, I think he can live up to that billing. I have never heard of John Jerry, don't know if he's any good. But I think DeCastro could very possibly have a huge season on the offensive line.
Edge: Steelers

Right Tackle: Marcus Gilbert/Tyson Clabo
Gilbert has had injury issues, but has shown to be a good right tackle. Clabo I know little about, I have no idea how much starting experience he has, I do know he went undrafted.
Edge: Steelers

Now looking at the defenses, one plays a 4-3 and the other plays a 3-4. So I am going to break it down a bit differently.

Pass Rush: Jarvis Jones-LaMarr Woodley/Cameron Wake-Dion Jordan
Woodley has shown that he can be a successful pass rusher. Wake has done the same. Woodley had some injury issues the past two seasons while Wake dominated QB's last season with 15 sacks. Woodley can get back to the double-digit sack level if he stays healthy, which I think he will. Jones and Jordan are rookies, and I think both will be starting for their teams. Jones has competition and could possibly become a situational pass rusher for this season however. Jordan I don't feel has any competition and was drafted to start right away.
Edge: Dolphins

Run Stuffing: Ziggy Hood-Steve McLendon-Brett Keisel/Randy Starks-Paul Soliai
In the Steelers scheme, the entire defensive line's job is to stuff the run and hold up blockers to allow the linebackers to make the big plays. In the Dolphins scheme, the defensive tackles are responsible for stuffing the run on the interior. Hood has a decent deal of starting experience, McLendon will show what he's worth this year replacing Casey Hampton, and Keisel is one of the best 3-4 DE's to ever play IMHO. Starks and Soliai I feel are also very good at their jobs.
Edge: Push

Inside Linebackers: Lawrence Timmons-Larry Foote/Dannell Ellerbe
The Steelers interior linebackers are responsible for stopping the run, and to cover the middle of the field in the passing game. They play a lot of zone, while Timmons can cover the TE man-on-man too. Both Steelers linebackers have a ton of starting experience. Ellerbe stepped in for an injured Ray Lewis last year and had a pretty good season. Lets see what he does when he isn't playing around a bunch of future Hall of Fame players.
Edge: Steelers

Outside Linebackers: Koa Misi-Philip Wheeler
This is where the matchup gets weird, because I already listed the Steelers outside linebackers in the pass rushers category. The Steelers defense revolves around the pass rush of the OLB's while the Dolphins guys are there to stop the run and occasionally blitz, they aren't the focal point of the defense. So for this category, I am not naming an edge.

Free Safety: Ryan Clark/Chris Clemons
Clark is a Pro Bowl safety that lays monster hits and is a good pass defender. Clemons can also hit, but he's not as good against the pass.
Edge: Steelers

Strong Safety: Troy Polamalu/Reshad Jones
Polamalu is going to be in the Hall of Fame, and when healthy is one of the two best safeties in the league and a complete game changer. Jones is very possibly a star in the making for the Dolphins. Polamalu, if healthy, is damn sure the better overall player.
Edge: Steelers

Cornerback: Ike Taylor-Cortez Allen/Brent Grimes-Richard Marshall
Ike Taylor has been one of the top corners in the league since 2005. He's always in top shape and plays with a chip on his shoulder. He also often shuts down the other team's top receiver, though he doesn't have great hands and doesn't come up with a ton of interceptions. But that means he doesn't take a lot of risks. Allen played well as the nickel corner for the Steelers a season ago and now steps in to start across from Taylor and I think he will do well. Grimes has had trouble staying healthy the past couple of years, and last season played just one game. He's coming off of a torn achillies suffered in the first game of the season. Marshall played in just four games last season, and I don't think he's got any history as a starter. He looks like, from his stats, that he could be a pretty good starter.
Edge: Steelers

[GBMelBlount]

Soon as you can show me my model for a utopian society, then you can tell me if he has enough money, and since you love to put words in my mouth and then argue against them why don't you just have a conversation with yourself.

Admittedly your complaints about some people making too much money while recommending others be randomly and undeservedly overpaid is a bit effed up but if you don't mind me laying out your quotes on this (based on your post above) we can take a look at your words of wisdom together and see if we can sort it out.

What do you say?

[Count Steeler]

Soon as you can show me my model for a utopian society, then you can tell me if he has enough money, and since you love to put words in my mouth and then argue against them why don't you just have a conversation with yourself.


Admittedly your complaints about some people making too much money while recommending others be randomly and undeservedly overpaid is a bit effed up but if you don't mind me laying out your quotes on this (based on your post above) we can take a look at your words of wisdom together and see if we can sort it out.

What do you say?

Obviously this should be started in a new thread. And I think it will prove more interesting than Wallace's assertion that Tannehill can be as good as Big Ben.

[steeldawg]

Admittedly your complaints about some people making too much money while recommending others be randomly and undeservedly overpaid is a bit effed up but if you don't mind me laying out your quotes on this (based on your post above) we can take a look at your words of wisdom together and see if we can sort it out.

What do you say?

Who did I recommend be overpaid all I said was wages for the bottom 99% of the country should of rose at relatively the same rate as they did for 1% of the country. Its pretty obvious the trickle down economic theory does not work, and I don't no why expecting American wages to keep up with rising costs and living standards is effed up. If what corporate America is doing to this country doesn't scare you then you just aren't paying attention. You can go over my quotes if you like but I stand by every single one, and no where did I speak of a utopian society.

[Count Steeler]

Who did I recommend be overpaid all I said was wages for the bottom 99% of the country should of rose at relatively the same rate as they did for 1% of the country. Its pretty obvious the trickle down economic theory does not work, and I don't no why expecting American wages to keep up with rising costs and living standards is effed up. If what corporate America is doing to this country doesn't scare you then you just aren't paying attention. You can go over my quotes if you like but I stand by every single one, and no where did I speak of a utopian society.

Did you read my post?

GB just start a new thread

[GBMelBlount]

Did you read my post?

GB just start a new thread

I am sorry Count. I just thought it was kind of funny.

If you think it is better to delete my Steeldawng posts you can certainly do so.