The Boston Marathon: the aftermath

[stillers4me]

I thought I would start a new thread on the interrogation of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev since the other threads got shot to hell with whether Jesus actually existed or not.

PLEASE stay on topic......this story is still unfolding as we speak.

NewsBreaker ‏@NewsBreaker12m (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/NewsBreaker/status/326107189234253824)
BREAKING: @ABC (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/ABC) reports bomb suspect is AWAKE: "They are asking about other cell members & other unexploded bombs; no details yet on answers

Chris Donovan‏@chrisdonovannbc28m (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/chrisdonovannbc/status/326104768244219904)

Pete Williams on #NBC (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23NBC&src=hash) says fed officials say suspect beginning to respond to a few questions, mostly in writing b/c of throat wound

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What I have to wonder...who is going to pay his medical bill?

[Mach1]

who is going to pay his medical bill?

The taxpayers.

[zulater]

The taxpayers.

That's true of any prisoner. Really what choice is there? You can't deny him needed medical attention. That's cruel and unusual punishment. And if it's a person of limited means you have to just bite the bullet and pay the tab. Of course if and when he's convicted at least then he might be transferred to a medical facility inside a penitentary if they're capable of dealing with his injuries. But for now just got to deal with this guy receiving first rate medical attention that most of us couldn't afford.

[steeldawg]

I want him brought back to health, i want to see him stand trial for what he did, letting him bleed out and die would be letting him off easy.

[GoSlash27]

I don't think the report of a "sleeper cell" is legit. Time will tell...

[Spike]

while we're waiting for the interrogators to get out the pliers and blowtorch...



Boston attack suspects not licensed to own firearms

The two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings were not licensed to have the firearms they used in several shootouts with police on Friday, Reuters reported Sunday night.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/295189-report-bombing-suspects-not-licensed-to-own-guns#ixzz2R9aLSDwS

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I am shocked, shocked, I tell you.

Criminals break laws? I’m amazed!

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/404734_515184988516878_1663383608_n.jpg

[Seven]

while we're waiting for the interrogators to get out the pliers and blowtorch...



Boston attack suspects not licensed to own firearms

The two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings were not licensed to have the firearms they used in several shootouts with police on Friday, Reuters reported Sunday night.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/295189-report-bombing-suspects-not-licensed-to-own-guns#ixzz2R9aLSDwS

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I am shocked, shocked, I tell you.

Criminals break laws? I’m amazed!

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/404734_515184988516878_1663383608_n.jpg

Im pretty sure AR's are illegal in Mass. entirely. Therefore as we can see, gun laws don't stop criminals from getting their hands on them.

[Spike]

waterboarding is too civilized for this scumbag


FBI Evidence Photo Shows Boston Bomb Suspect Standing Near Child Later Killed In Marathon Blast

The photo, reproduced below, shows suspect #2 lurking several feet away from the metal barricade (and behind a trio of young women). Immediately to the left of the women is Martin Richard, the eight-year-old Dorchester boy who was killed by the explosion. To the child’s right is his seven-year-old sister Jane, who lost a leg in the blast.


http://blog.beliefnet.com/watchwomanonthewall/files/2013/04/Boston-Bomber-Richard-Martin-8-yr-boy-killed-Backpack-with-bomb-in-same-picture.jpg

http://blog.beliefnet.com/watchwomanonthewall/#ixzz2RC3W72m8

[Spike]

Details Emerge of Alleged Carjacking by Bomber Suspects

The alleged carjacking occurred at about 11 p.m. in Boston's Brighton neighborhood on Brighton Avenue, said the excerpt, which didn't name the victim.

According to the report, one of the brothers jumped out of a Honda Civic and reached in through the front passenger side window of the SUV, opened the door and pointed a silver colored semi-automatic pistol at the driver.

The gunman then ordered him to drive to Watertown and was followed by the Honda, the report said.

Once in Watertown, the victim was ordered to slide over to the passenger side, the report said. The two brothers then removed luggage from the Honda and loaded it into the trunk of the Mercedes, the report said.

From there, one of the brothers drove the Mercedes while the second sat behind the victim, the report said.

The victim told police he was driven to a Shell Gas Station on Memorial Drive in Watertown. Inside the car, the brothers "declared to [the victim] that they were the Boston Marathon bombers and would not kill him because he wasn't American," the report said.

When the victim saw an opportunity to flee, he ran to a nearby gas station where he asked the owner to call 911, the report said.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323735604578437642076883194.html

[Spike]

"I Know Nothing!"


Feds Ask to Interview Wife of Suspected Bomber

Federal authorities have asked to speak with the wife of suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and her lawyer said he is discussing with them how to proceed.

"When this allegedly was going on, she was working, and had been working all week to support her family," he told the AP.

He said Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was off at college and she saw him "not at all" at the apartment they shared with her mother-in-law.

http://newsimages.emerald.synacor.com/ap_photos//833fb84e-f1ea-46d8-bb15-ad963b140a75.jpeg

She was raised Christian, but at some point after meeting Tamerlan Tsarnaev, she converted to Islam

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/feds-interview-wife-suspected-bomber-19012633

[Spike]

meanwhile, the terrorist deniers still refuse to believe


“The brothers told the driver they wouldn’t kill him because he wasn’t an American.”

[Moose]

Just a thought - I bet the 'gun owners' in Boston were feeling safer and breathing easier than those not having personal weapons while that 19yr old terrorist was running through their neighborhood. This is why I own a gun.

[venom]

Just a thought - I bet the 'gun owners' in Boston were feeling safer and breathing easier than those not having personal weapons while that 19yr old terrorist was running through their neighborhood. This is why I own a gun.

This
http://smallworldbiggirl.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/thumbsup.jpg?w=490

[Spike]

Just a thought - I bet the 'gun owners' in Boston were feeling safer and breathing easier than those not having personal weapons while that 19yr old terrorist was running through their neighborhood. This is why I own a gun.

did you steal that from me?


It's going to be getting dark soon.....mad-dog bomber terrorist still on the loose

I bet everybody in Boston will wish they had an AK-47 in their house tonight

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/16900-There-s-not-gonna-be-a-new-quot-assault-weapons-quot-ban/page3

[zulater]

After the capture of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Obama asked, “Why did young men who grew up and studied here, as part of our communities and our country, resort to such violence?”

Despite the scholarships and the positive press, the money and the good times that came their way, the Tsarnaevs were never truly part of our communities or our country. As the words of a Jihadist song in Dzhokhar’s playlist go, “Be in this temporary world a stranger/Infidels rule the earth/for the faithful life is torture.”

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were strangers. Tamerlan had an American wife and Dzhokhar had plenty of American friends but they chose to treat a city and a nation that had taken them in as targets in a terrorist war. As infidels who deserved nothing more than to be lied to and killed.

The Tsarnaevs weren’t insane. Nor were they nihilists looking to go out with a bang just for the kicks. Their social media accounts reveal the world of two men who had strong beliefs and commitments. These beliefs and commitments however were not to this country. They were to the Islamic Ummah.

Two months before his killing spree, Tamerlan reproved another Muslim for not believing. Unlike him, Tamerlan believed. What he believed in was not the mere nationalism of a land that he had never lived in. If Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had only wanted Chechen independence, they could have joined the fight there. But if the thought ever crossed their minds, they were reoriented in another direction.

To Americans, the Chechen Jihadists, the Syrian rebels, the Palestinian terrorists, the Afghan Taliban and the Mali Turaeg fighters all represent national struggles. To Muslims, they are all local manifestations of a global struggle between Islam and the world. For the Tsarnaevs, Chechnya wasn’t any different than Afghanistan, Nigeria, Thailand, America or any other theater of battle in a world war. Instead of trying to fight a war in a country he had never seen, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was dispatched or dispatched himself to fight a battle in the country that he knew best.

In Obama’s speech, the willingness of the Tsarnaev brothers to kill the people of the country they had grown up in is a paradox. But it isn’t a paradox; it’s the point.

Communists in America undermined the country not just because they saw it as the greatest villain, but because Communists in every nation were committed to undermining it in order to remake it. Each Communist movement was fighting a local front in a transnational struggle. For Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev their local front was not Chechnya; it was Boston.

Chechnya to the Tsarnaevs represented the Islamic transnationalism of the Jihadist that transcended nations. Their Chechen nationalism, like Hamas’ Palestinian nationalism and the Syrian nationalism of the rebel brigades linked to the Muslim Brotherhood derived from a common Islamic identity. It could have no meaning without Islam.

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev carried out the marathon massacre not because they were on the outside, but because they were on the inside. Islamic terrorism was their way of expressing their American identity. When they detonated bombs at the Boston Marathon, they weren’t doing it as Chechen Muslims, but as American Muslims.

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were not fighting for Chechnya at the Boston Marathon. They were fighting against the American infidels who were barring the way to an Islamic America. They were fighting to make America like Chechnya. Islam is not just a religion. It is a political system. You cannot expect a devout Muslim to live as an American, the same way that you could not expect a Communist, Nazi or any other consuming political identity to just keep it private or local. To think that way is to truly misunderstand Islam.

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not become radicalized. They became religious. They embraced a transnational ideology which applied not only to them, their mosque or their community, but to the entire world. Eventually the discontinuity between their beliefs and the life of the city around them became too great to be tolerated. And so the Tsarnaevs, inspired in no small part by the Islamist culture that they found on the internet and perhaps at their own radical mosque, set out to resolve the conflict through terrible violence.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/islams-world-war-came-to-boston/

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The liberals who refuse to see what the Tsarnaev brothers stood for passionately believe in the things that they think it will take to make the world a better place. The Tsarnaevs believed that only one thing was necessary; Islam.

Islam was born out of war and terror. It spread through the sword and the slave. Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were not the disciples of some imaginary religion of peace, but a religion of war. What they did was horrifying, but not surprising. They were taking part in a world war that had begun over a thousand years ago.

They did not expect to strike the finishing blow; just another blow to bring America closer to the form of submission known as Islam. Like other Muslim terrorists operating in the countless theaters of the world war, from Asia to Africa to the Middle East to Australia and America, they sought to shock and horrify, to break our will to resist and force us to submit.

“He it is who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.” Koran 61:9


http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/islams-world-war-came-to-boston/

[GoSlash27]

Breaking: Tsarnaev will not be held as an "enemy combatant".
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/04/22/obama-tsarnaev-enemy-combatant/2103635/

"He will not be treated as an enemy combatant," Carney said. "We will prosecute this terrorist through a civilian system of justice. Under U.S. law, United States citizens cannot be tried in military commissions. It is important to remember since 9/11, we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists."

[zulater]

Breaking: Tsarnaev will not be held as an "enemy combatant".
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/04/22/obama-tsarnaev-enemy-combatant/2103635/

I have no problem with that as things stand now. I don't see this guy ever taking another breath as a free man regardless of how they try him.

[X-Terminator]

Again, I'll only say if Americans don't drop the politically correct bullshit and start paying attention to what's going on in mosques all over the country, there won't be a single city or American that will be safe from these Islamist jackals. It's time to drain the swamp.

[zulater]

FBI CONFIRMS BOSTON BOMBER SUSPECT'S RADICAL ISLAMISM

The FBI has confirmed that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the dead suspect accused of bombing the Boston Marathon, was identified by a foreign government as a "follower of radical Islam and a strong believer" who changed radically in 2010. The FBI wouldn’t name the country acknowledging the evidence, but it is most likely Russia. The unnamed country said Tsarnaev was about to leave the U.S. “to join unspecified underground groups.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/22/FBI-Confirms-Boston-Bomber-s-Radical-Islamism?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Craic]

Breaking: Tsarnaev will not be held as an "enemy combatant".
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/04/22/obama-tsarnaev-enemy-combatant/2103635/

I think that is the right call. Now, if he was on a battlefield shooting against American soldiers, or found in an enemy camp that we were actively in a war against, then I think he's an enemy combatant. In this case, especially without direct, provable links to Al Qaeda, it just doesn't fly to strip him of his constitutional rights without a trial.

[GoSlash27]

I think that is the right call. Now, if he was on a battlefield shooting against American soldiers, or found in an enemy camp that we were actively in a war against, then I think he's an enemy combatant. In this case, especially without direct, provable links to Al Qaeda, it just doesn't fly to strip him of his constitutional rights without a trial.

I agree, but the most important consideration from the administration's perspective is that they don't gain anything by going that route. If he knew about some master plan or maybe a secret location or chain of command it might be worth it, but as it stands... he's just another self- radicalized internet jihadist.

[Seven]

NBC is reporting he'll be tried federally and the death penalty is in play.

[Craic]

I agree, but the most important consideration from the administration's perspective is that they don't gain anything by going that route. If he knew about some master plan or maybe a secret location or chain of command it might be worth it, but as it stands... he's just another self- radicalized internet jihadist.

While I wasn't thinking about it in that direction, it fits exactly with what I was saying. If he had those links, then there is national security/war secret issues to deal with.

[Moose]

Again, I'll only say if Americans don't drop the politically correct bullshit and start paying attention to what's going on in mosques all over the country, there won't be a single city or American that will be safe from these Islamist jackals. It's time to drain the swamp.

I agree 100% ! I also agree, give him a trial and then send him to meet his maker.

[Godfather]

The gunman then ordered him to drive to Watertown and was followed by the Honda, the report said.

Once in Watertown, the victim was ordered to slide over to the passenger side, the report said. The two brothers then removed luggage from the Honda and loaded it into the trunk of the Mercedes, the report said.

From there, one of the brothers drove the Mercedes while the second sat behind the victim, the report said.

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When the victim saw an opportunity to flee, he ran to a nearby gas station where he asked the owner to call 911, the report said.


I bet the carjacking victim is grateful that he lives in Boston and not Los Angeles.

[Mach1]

The 5:30 mark is by far the best part. CNN, you did it to yourselves.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-22-2013/this-is-cnn-

[43Hitman]

The 5:30 mark is by far the best part. CNN, you did it to yourselves.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-22-2013/this-is-cnn-

oh man, that is some bad reporting. that last line she made was just dreadful, lol.

[stlrtruck]

It's as if a bomb went off somewhere.

Oh yeah, that's classic on the ball reporting right there.

[zulater]

Boston Terrorist a Suspect in 2011 Triple Murder

Older Tsarnaev brother, now dead, may be connected to a gruesome murder of 3 – of whom 2 were Jews.

Investigators in the Boston suburbs told ABC News that Tamerlan Tsarnaev – the elder Boston Marathon bomber, who was killed in a firefight with police – may have been involved in an unsolved grisly triple homicide of a former roommate and two others.

The murders took place around September 11, 2011, the tenth anniversary of the September 11 combined strategic terror attack on the United States.

"We are looking at a possible connection with the suspect in the marathon atrocity and this active and open homicide in Waltham,'' Stephanie Guyotte, a spokeswoman for the Middlesex County District Attorney, confirmed to ABC News.

The victims were found in a Waltham, Massachusetts apartment. Their throats had been slashed. The investigation has been active for more than a year, and authorities acknowledged they have had few leads.

Tsarnaev had been close to one of the murder victims, 25-year-old Brendan Mess, investigators told ABC. The two had been training together in a local gym. It was unclear if Tsarnaev knew the other men who were slain, Raphael Teken, 37, and Erik Weissman, 31 – both reportedly Jewish.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/167402#.UXdhI7UU-f8

[The Patriot]

There's still a federal death penalty. I'm happy to hear.

[Seven]

I have no problem with that as things stand now. I don't see this guy ever taking another breath as a free man regardless of how they try him.

I agree. And he won't.

[Spike]

I bet the carjacking victim is grateful that he lives in Boston and not Los Angeles.



LA settles with women fired on in Dorner manhunt

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The city of Los Angeles reached a $4.2 million settlement on injury claims by two women who were hurt when police mistakenly opened fire on them during the manhunt for disgruntled ex-cop Christopher Dorner, an official said Tuesday.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/article/LA-settles-with-women-fired-on-in-Dorner-manhunt-4457048.php

[Spike]

Just your typical mom

“If they are going to kill him. I don’t care. My oldest son is killed, so I don’t care. I don’t care is my youngest son is going to be killed today. I want the world to hear this. And, I don’t care if I am going to get killed too.

And I will say Allahu Akbar!“


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=muMu0ay9xJM

[zulater]

The brothers Tsarnaev had plans to drive to New York in their carjacked Mercedes and explode their remaining bombs last Thursday, but their plans went off track when the owner of the car they stole made an escape, the New York City mayor said Thursday.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the information came to the attention of investigators during the interrogation of 19-year old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who had at first said the plan was to go to New York to "party" but then changed his story in an interview 24 hours later. At that time Tsarnaev allegedly acknowledged that he and his brother planned a follow-up attack. The brothers had six unexploded devices with them as they tried to flee, Boston Police sources said.

"We were informed by the FBI that the surviving attacker revealed that NYC was next on the list of targets he told the FBI apparently that he and his brother had planned to drive to NY and detonate additional explosives in Time Square, they had built these additional explosives and we know they had the capacity to carry out the attacks," Bloomberg said at a press conference Thursday.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/accused-boston-bombers-plotted-attack-nyc-police/story?id=19038313&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#.UXl-CrUU-f-

[Spike]

"We were informed by the FBI that the surviving attacker revealed that NYC was next on the list of targets he told the FBI apparently that he and his brother had planned to drive to NY and detonate additional explosives in Time Square, they had built these additional explosives and we know they had the capacity to carry out the attacks," Bloomberg said at a press conference Thursday.


The reason he gave, according to authorities, was that Muslims are at war with the US.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/accused-boston-bombers-plotted-attack-nyc-police/story?id=19038313&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#.UXl-CrUU-f-

you missed page 2

[GoSlash27]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkbJETUz20E
Another one of those situations where Jon Stewart shows the so-called "conservatives" for what they really are.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: A true conservative insists on strict adherence to the Constitution 100% of the time, not just when it's convenient.

[Wallace108]

Another one of those situations where Jon Stewart shows the so-called "conservatives" for what they really are.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: A true conservative insists on strict adherence to the Constitution 100% of the time, not just when it's convenient.

Spot on, Slash. I've been banging my head against a brick wall all week arguing with my "conservative" friends who agree with Ted Nugent in that the younger brother should just be taken out and publicly hanged.

I'm reminded of something Bush said about the economy and stimulus late in his presidency:


"Well, I have obviously made a decision to make sure the economy doesn’t collapse. I’ve abandoned free market principles to save the free market system."

You have to abandon the free market in order to save the free market? :huh:

This is the same logic many conservatives are applying to terrorism. ... We have to give up our rights and liberties in order to save our rights and liberties. http://r28.imgfast.net/users/2815/14/51/45/smiles/1505004552.gif

Here's how many conservatives would paraphrase Bush:


"Well, I have obviously made a decision to keep our country safe from terrorism. I’ve abandoned the Constitution to save your rights and liberties."

[GoSlash27]

Here's how many conservatives would paraphrase Bush:

I don't consider those people to be "conservatives". Republicans, sure... but no conservative by my understanding would ever advocate gutting the Bill of Rights. That's something Wilsonian Democrats do.

[zulater]

Three additional suspects taken into custody in Marathon bombing case. Details to follow.Boston Police Dept. //twitter.com/Boston_Police

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EXCLUSIVE: Saudi Arabia 'warned the United States IN WRITING about Boston Bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2012'


Saudis developed intelligence separately from Russia, which also warned the U.S. about the accused Boston bomber
A letter to the Department of Homeland Security allegedly named Tsarnaev and three Pakistanis as potential jihadis worthy of U.S. investigation
Red flags from Saudi Arabia to have included Tsarnaev's name and information about a planned explosive attack on a major U.S. city
Saudi foreign minister, national security chief both met with Obama in the oval office in early 2013


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317493/Saudi-official-Kingdom-warned-United-States-IN-WRITING-Boston-Bomber-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-2012-rejected-application-entry-visa-visit-Mecca-2011.html#ixzz2S3RjENcj
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Looks like the lone wolf theory is about to be shot to hell.

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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia sent a written warning about accused Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in 2012, long before pressure-cooker blasts killed three and injured hundreds, according to a senior Saudi government official with direct knowledge of the document.
The Saudi warning, the official told MailOnline, was separate from the multiple red flags raised by Russian intelligence in 2011, and was based on human intelligence developed independently in Yemen.
Citing security concerns, the Saudi government also denied an entry visa to the elder Tsarnaev brother in December 2011, when he hoped to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, the source said. Tsarnaev's plans to visit Saudi Arabia have not been previously disclosed.

The Saudis' warning to the U.S. government was also shared with the British government. 'It was very specific’ and warned that 'something was going to happen in a major U.S. city,' the Saudi official said during an extensive interview.
It 'did name Tamerlan specifically,' he added. The 'government-to-government' letter, which he said was sent to the Department of Homeland Security at the highest level, did not name Boston or suggest a date for his planned attack.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2317493/Saudi-official-Kingdom-warned-United-States-IN-WRITING-Boston-Bomber-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-2012-rejected-application-entry-visa-visit-Mecca-2011.html#ixzz2S3SGQyiH
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


Big Sis is a big liar. But of course what else is news?

[Seven]

Intelligence dropped the ball on this one big time. Seems to be becoming a habit.

[fansince'76]

Intelligence dropped the ball on this one big time. Seems to be becoming a habit.

Turning Boston into a police state while the authorities chased the two brothers wasn't too cool either.

[Mach1]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/537931_296044583862714_586794481_n.jpg

[The Patriot]

Proof that some of the searches were not voluntary.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8

[Spike]

here we go........



http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/eYjmmSgaaNwKfUFe0Hz4lg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/thelookout/suspects-detained.jpg

Authorities have arrested three additional suspects in connection to the Boston Marathon bombings, the Boston Police Department confirmed to Yahoo News. Two of the suspects are Azamat Tazhayakov and Dias Kadyrbayev, both Kazakh nationals who attended school with bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. One of their attorneys, Robert Stahl, said the charges will be unsealed in federal court Wednesday and both plan to plead "not guilty." The hearing is expected to begin at at 3:30 p.m. ET.

The third suspect, a U.S. citizen who has not been publicly identified, was reportedly arrested today

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/breaking-boston-police-three-boston-marathon-bombing-suspects-151027478.html

[Dwinsgames]

I am livid and this was not my house ....

[GoSlash27]

I am livid and this was not my house ....

Same here. This is what happens when we trade our freedom for the illusion of safety.

[Mach1]

Russian Calls Out Obama As A Communist

Barack Obama is called a pure Communist by the Russian Press and many in Russia are making that statement. Maybe that is why the Boston Bombers could get away with what they did. It seems that Russia knew that the older brother was one to watch and they informed our intelligence community of it, yet the FBI once again failed because they “did not want to inflame people with Jihad connections or ideology!” Obama has declared that the United States will not “attack” those who hate the United States and instead, Obama wants to try to appease the situation in the terrorists’ favor. One individual, a man named Xavier Lerma, who wrote many articles about Obama and what he has done, along with calling the people of the United States stupid and ignorant for putting him in office has openly called Obama a Communist! His article, “Obama’s Soviet Mistake,” discusses why what Obama is doing now has been done before in Russia and it failed.

Mr. Lerma stated:

“Putin in 2009 outlined his strategy for economic success. Alas, poor Obama did the opposite but nevertheless was re-elected. Bye, bye Miss American Pie. The Communists have won in America with Obama but failed miserably in Russia with Zyuganov who only received 17% of the vote. Vladimir Putin was re-elected as President keeping the NWO order out of Russia while America continues to repeat the Soviet mistake.”

This was in the first paragraph of his article where he made the statement about President Obama, “Well, any normal individual understands that as true but liberalism is a psychosis . O’bomber even keeps the war going along the Mexican border with projects like “fast and furious” and there is still no sign of ending it. He is a Communist without question promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so. How shrewd he is in America. His cult of personality mesmerizes those who cannot go beyond their ignorance. They will continue to follow him like those fools who still praise Lenin and Stalin in Russia. Obama’s fools and Stalin’s fools share the same drink of illusion.”

How many times have the Obama Supporters been called the “Kool Aid Kids?” Yet,Obama still gets his way by making taxes on purchases of anything on the internet. There is no doubt that new internet sales tax legislation will simply be another tax that will be used by Obama to do as he wishes to do! Yep, the United Socialists States of America has tasted the drink of illusion and they will dance in the fire should Obama tell them to do so!
http://www.westernjournalism.com/russian-calls-out-obama-as-a-communist/

[Mach1]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/935767_299796216820884_231381892_n.jpg

[Craic]

Proof that some of the searches were not voluntary.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8

I would like to know more about what happened there before I make a judgment. If the police chased the suspects into the house, even if the suspects broke in, then they are justified to go in. There are a couple other scenarios by law that allows them to enter a house, if I remember right, and those have all been long standing.

However, all-in-all, locking down a city because two idiots are on the loose is most definitely something to get riled up over. If it had been a massivive biological attack with infectious, airborne superbugs, I'd understand it. This however, is stupid.

[43Hitman]

I would like to know more about what happened there before I make a judgment. If the police chased the suspects into the house, even if the suspects broke in, then they are justified to go in. There are a couple other scenarios by law that allows them to enter a house, if I remember right, and those have all been long standing.

However, all-in-all, locking down a city because two idiots are on the loose is most definitely something to get riled up over. If it had been a massivive biological attack with infectious, airborne superbugs, I'd understand it. This however, is stupid.

And is now precedent. This kind of stuff is really spooky and we definitely shouldn't be letting this happen quietly.

[The Patriot]

I would like to know more about what happened there before I make a judgment. If the police chased the suspects into the house, even if the suspects broke in, then they are justified to go in. There are a couple other scenarios by law that allows them to enter a house, if I remember right, and those have all been long standing.

However, all-in-all, locking down a city because two idiots are on the loose is most definitely something to get riled up over. If it had been a massivive biological attack with infectious, airborne superbugs, I'd understand it. This however, is stupid.

There is something called the "line of sight" rule which allows the police to investigate if they see evidence of law-breaking. So if you hang a bag of weed in your window they can come seize it. However, I really doubt the police saw anything inside that house except maybe... the occupants of the house. These police may have had good intentions, but some of these laws give them WAY too much discretion.

[43Hitman]

There is something called the "line of sight" rule which allows the police to investigate if they see evidence of law-breaking. So if you hang a bag of weed in your window they can come seize it. However, I really doubt the police saw anything inside that house except maybe... the occupants of the house. These police may have had good intentions, but some of these laws give them WAY too much discretion.

And there is definitely no excuse for those police officers to be yelling and cussing at those occupants of the home. They are completely innocent and don't deserve to be treated that way.

[Mach1]

There is something called the "line of sight" rule which allows the police to investigate if they see evidence of law-breaking. So if you hang a bag of weed in your window they can come seize it. However, I really doubt the police saw anything inside that house except maybe... the occupants of the house. These police may have had good intentions, but some of these laws give them WAY too much discretion.

Theres also that little thing called the 4th amendment. Obviously they didn't see terrorists hanging out in the windows. I understand they were trying to do their jobs but forcibly removing people from homes. as GB says 'toast'.

Not trying to change the subject but I found this pic and I dunno bout you but I wouldn't like having guns pointed at me for looking out the window either.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/15101_296310797169426_1057656827_n.jpg

[The Patriot]

And there is definitely no excuse for those police officers to be yelling and cussing at those occupants of the home. They are completely innocent and don't deserve to be treated that way.


Theres also that little thing called the 4th amendment. Obviously they didn't see terrorists hanging out in the windows. I understand they were trying to do their jobs but forcibly removing people from homes. as GB says 'toast'.

Not trying to change the subject but I found this pic and I dunno bout you but I wouldn't like having guns pointed at me for looking out the window either.


Oh yeah, I completely agree the response was inappropriate. It pissed me off, don't get me wrong.

Here's some more amateur video of Watertown for your enjoyment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5vfyFyptQ

[Craic]

There is something called the "line of sight" rule which allows the police to investigate if they see evidence of law-breaking. So if you hang a bag of weed in your window they can come seize it. However, I really doubt the police saw anything inside that house except maybe... the occupants of the house. These police may have had good intentions, but some of these laws give them WAY too much discretion.

That makes sense. You know, the more I think about this, the madder I get. Again, state of emergency due to natural disaster? Sure, no problem. Sandy, Massive snow storms, Mt. St. Helens (lived through it), alright. But this going door to door and pointing weapons at anyone and everyone is utterly despicable. The cop holding the AR-15 at the cameraman should be arrested and jailed. You do NOT aim at someone unless you FULLY INTENDED to shoot. There was no reason for that decision by that cop.

[Seven]

The cop holding the AR-15 at the cameraman should be arrested and jailed. You do NOT aim at someone unless you FULLY INTENDED to shoot. There was no reason for that decision by that cop.

Chances are that guy is a good cop in your every normal day scenario. But under the ridiculous power they were given on that day (essentially do whatever you want) he obviously thought it no issue to point the weapon at a civilian. The decision to lock everyone in fostered a police state mindset. I'm glad they caught the younger brother, but it came at a very big cost.

[Craic]

Chances are that guy is a good cop in your every normal day scenario. But under the ridiculous power they were given on that day (essentially do whatever you want) he obviously thought it no issue to point the weapon at a civilian. The decision to lock everyone in fostered a police state mindset. I'm glad they caught the younger brother, but it came at a very big cost.

You might be right, but this scenario shows that he has no hesitation in putting an innocent civilian in the crosshairs. And good cop or not, what he did was inexcusable. It's like the cop here in Arizona that forgot his flashlight, so he decided to turn on the light attached to the barrel and stick the gun under his arm . . . pointing right at the person he pulled over.

I mean, I know I've only gotten back into the shooting world a few months ago, but these are rules I learned decades ago. Unbelievable.

(Seven, I know I'm not actually arguing with you on this. I'm just venting's all.)

[Seven]

You might be right, but this scenario shows that he has no hesitation in putting an innocent civilian in the crosshairs. And good cop or not, what he did was inexcusable. It's like the cop here in Arizona that forgot his flashlight, so he decided to turn on the light attached to the barrel and stick the gun under his arm . . . pointing right at the person he pulled over.


Oh I totally agree. It was completely unacceptable. Beyond unacceptable. I don't mean to argue with you either, I'm simply saying I think that the situation those cops were put in fostered and encouraged that type of behaviour. I hesistate to use the term "blown out of proportion" but I think the decision makers there really took it too far. There are other strategies that could have been used that would have kept the perp inside the perimeter without going to lockdown. I'm very serious about gun safety. Having that rifle raised at all - let alone pointed at a civilian - was totally unnecessary. But I put almost as much blame on his superiors as I do him. The decision makers turned Boston into a warzone and the cops were probably just trying to respond accordingly.

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An issue I've been seeing in person, that is only going to get worse, is that people going into law enforcement these days haven't learned about gun safety because shooting has become so discouraged in this country. I know several departments have started limiting new officers to 9mm until they prove they can handle something bigger. Lack of gun safety in LE has become a major issue and it's ridiculous. Handling firearms is a fundamental skill of the job.

[GoSlash27]

My beef isn't with the firearm safety aspect, it's with the authoritarian attitude that the government is in charge of the individual and any individual who is not subservient is a threat.
This sort of thing becomes more and more accepted as time goes on, and there are senators (Republican ones!!) who would like nothing better than to make this the norm.

[43Hitman]

My beef isn't with the firearm safety aspect, it's with the authoritarian attitude that the government is in charge of the individual and any individual who is not subservient is a threat.
This sort of thing becomes more and more accepted as time goes on, and there are senators (Republican ones!!) who would like nothing better than to make this the norm.
Senator King comes to mind immediately, then Senator McCain come in at a close second.

[GoSlash27]

Senator King comes to mind immediately, then Senator McCain come in at a close second.
Lindsey Graham is the worst offender, but McCain is also pretty darn bad. To think there are Republicans who are still mad he didn't get elected... *shudder*

[stillers4me]

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[Mach1]

That makes sense. You know, the more I think about this, the madder I get. Again, state of emergency due to natural disaster? Sure, no problem. Sandy, Massive snow storms, Mt. St. Helens (lived through it), alright. But this going door to door and pointing weapons at anyone and everyone is utterly despicable. The cop holding the AR-15 at the cameraman should be arrested and jailed. You do NOT aim at someone unless you FULLY INTENDED to shoot. There was no reason for that decision by that cop.

They weren't all local police either, the military was there too.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/933960_475671935848376_787311629_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/305719_10151616067426763_2097028462_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/644645_10151616068491763_1147713221_n.jpg

[Dwinsgames]

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-agent-kills-man-questioning-him-boston-marathon-114808069.html

[GBMelBlount]

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-agent-kills-man-questioning-him-boston-marathon-114808069.html

Sounds suspicious.

On a side note, I wonder if he ever auditioned for drummer in Beatlemania.


http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/3fPXe_4oi3CI9WlFnvERpw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zMDk7cT03OTt3PTU1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/video/video.hearstnews.com/1369225059_1_f715c8kl_1_wn0u9tjn_2.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m55pulWrde1rq4hlfo1_400.jpg

[The Patriot]

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-agent-kills-man-questioning-him-boston-marathon-114808069.html

They better have a good explanation for this.

[43Hitman]

something about this story stinks.

[GoSlash27]

I'll reserve judgement until I get clearer information. And I *definitely* want clearer information.

[Dwinsgames]

I'll reserve judgement until I get clearer information. And I *definitely* want clearer information.


it seems fishy , but I agree its just to sketchy in the details ... that being said I am not sure I will be able to believe any details that come out well after the fact when they have had sufficient time to make up a story that merits a shooting

[GoSlash27]

According to what I'm hearing, he stabbed one of the agents. That would definitely merit deadly force.

The part that sounds hinky to me is the media narrative that this guy and Tsarnaev killed 3 people in what they're calling "a drug robbery". If they left the drugs and cash, it clearly wasn't a "robbery".

[Godfather]

If they left the drugs and cash, it clearly wasn't a "robbery".

Meh, maybe they panicked after the killing and forgot the stuff they were trying to steal.

[GoSlash27]

Meh, maybe they panicked after the killing and forgot the stuff they were trying to steal.

They didn't. The reports say they arranged the cash and drugs evenly on the bodies. It appears to have been done intentionally.