Marines and Sailors Will Be Subject to Random Blood-Alcohol Tests

[SteelerEmpire]

Talk about a rule that's gonna get 90% of the military kicked out ! And I do mean 90% !

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SAN DIEGO (AP) — Marines and sailors will be subject to random blood-alcohol tests twice a year in what is billed as the toughest anti-drinking policy in the U.S. military.

LINK: http://news.yahoo.com/us-marines-face-random-blood-alcohol-tests-223711344.html

[fansince'76]

Yet another policy that's sure to help the services' already flagging retention rates. :coffee:

[Hindes204]

Yet another policy that's sure to help the services' already flagging retention rates. :coffee:

Thats the thing... They don't want people staying in anymore. I have seen program after program in the past few years implemented to get people kicked out, or make life so miserable nobody wants to re-enlist. It's the governments way of cutting down the military without actually having to say they are cutting the military.

[Dwinsgames]

it is cheaper to train new people than to have already trained personnel stay in and take a pension at 20 or 30 years .... sign up at 18 do 30 years and retire at what is it now 3/4 base pay and still be young enough to work

[Hindes204]

it is cheaper to train new people than to have already trained personnel stay in and take a pension at 20 or 30 years .... sign up at 18 do 30 years and retire at what is it now 3/4 base pay and still be young enough to work

Only 1% of the enlisted force makes it to 30 years. High year of tenure retires most of the force long before 30 years. As far as being cheaper to train new guys, I have to disagree. It takes up all of my NCO's time training guys who don't know what they are doing. Productivity is decreased, the job takes longer, jobs are done incorrectly. You have to look at it from a productivity perspective rather than a monitary perspective.

The pentions that these guys get are well deserved. Most spend that 20 years back and forth through deployments, working well over 40 hours a week, through holidays away from family....and most importantly, putting themselves in harms way.

[SCSTILLER]

Like Hindes said, they don't want you to reenlist. This is ridiculous, if I have a bad cough and take some cough medicine before going to work (I am in the USAF, hopefully will be retired before this hits us) because I have a cough and want to take care of it personally instead of clogging up the med clinic, I get selected for random blood letting, I have to go to counseling. It won't matter that I took cough syrup, it will be in my records from here on out and when they do a thinning of the heard anyone with degrades on their performance and/or medical records will be the first to go.

What the eff is this country coming to? A lazy POS can go pick up their welfare check drunk, high, and who knows what else but a man/woman who defends those lazy POS's can possibly lose a career over a blood test if there is a trace, a trace, of alcohol?

[Dwinsgames]

Only 1% of the enlisted force makes it to 30 years. High year of tenure retires most of the force long before 30 years. As far as being cheaper to train new guys, I have to disagree. It takes up all of my NCO's time training guys who don't know what they are doing. Productivity is decreased, the job takes longer, jobs are done incorrectly. You have to look at it from a productivity perspective rather than a monitary perspective.

The pentions that these guys get are well deserved. Most spend that 20 years back and forth through deployments, working well over 40 hours a week, through holidays away from family....and most importantly, putting themselves in harms way.


oh trust me , I am not saying those pensions are not well deserved ... My Brother retired with 30 years in , I did my 4 and got out and it couldn't come fast enough to suit me ... I just think they feel they have you and your getting paid keep working till you get it right ( hell I could be wrong ) But I know they do not want to pay out the pension if it can be avoided ... 20 years is what half of base pay or something close ... if they can get you out before you have 20 they do not have to pay you anything so it is cheaper in that regard no ongoing pay for someone who is no longer there to do any work ....

Service men and women are under paid in my eyes always have been , no amount of money is worth your life ...it takes a special individual to put his country above himself and for me that is yet another thing you just can not measure monetarily ....

Hats off to our Men and Women of Service

[SteelerEmpire]

oh trust me , I am not saying those pensions are not well deserved ... My Brother retired with 30 years in , I did my 4 and got out and it couldn't come fast enough to suit me ... I just think they feel they have you and your getting paid keep working till you get it right ( hell I could be wrong ) But I know they do not want to pay out the pension if it can be avoided ... 20 years is what half of base pay or something close ... if they can get you out before you have 20 they do not have to pay you anything so it is cheaper in that regard no ongoing pay for someone who is no longer there to do any work ....

Service men and women are under paid in my eyes always have been , no amount of money is worth your life ...it takes a special individual to put his country above himself and for me that is yet another thing you just can not measure monetarily ....

Hats off to our Men and Women of Service

Private industry took this practice (getting people out the door before their pension is due) up many years ago and have been EXTREMELY successful at it. It's gonna be one hell of a back-lash if the federal government (and "especially" the military) takes up that practice anywhere near the level that private industry did !

[Hindes204]

Private industry took this practice (getting people out the door before their pension is due) up many years ago and have been EXTREMELY successful at it. It's gonna be one hell of a back-lash if the federal government (and "especially" the military) takes up that practice anywhere near the level that private industry did !



It's already begun. High year of tenor has been lowered already. Now the CBO is proposing changing retirement benefits and military pay. This will make retention difficult, hence, force shaping by policy