My Niece wrote this thought I would share it

[Dwinsgames]

again as in the title .... My nice wrote this she is 24 and a mother of a 3 year old some things she noticed , I am not saying it is so , I am not saying it is not ..... just found it interesting ..nothing more or less so not going to argue this point with anyone it is what it is ......



I'm going to start this post by saying that I do not intend to offend anyone in any way!
I am a person who seeks answers and that is all I'm trying to do.

With that said, the recent events at Sandy Hook have greatly affected us all. But I've been doing a little research and have found a few things to be quite disturbing.
So here it goes.

First: They claim there was one shooter only, who was found dead in one of the classrooms by suicide. Yet I have seen video and heard police radio/scanners finding and capturing a second shooter just outside the school,and a third in the woods. Who are these other guys and where are they?? Odd?

Second: I have not seen the new Batman movie yet,but I just watched some clips. Remember the Aurora movie theater shooting at the Batman premier? Yea,the new Batman movie made a reference to Aurora. Pretty ironic. But the most disturbing is,at one point in the movie there is a map layed out. The only two "cities" made visible to read are Gotham City, and Sandy Hook. At that time the actor says "Get the GPS so we can figure out how to take them down" at that same moment he puts his hand on Sandy Hook. Ironic,or deeply disturbing?

Third: After viewing pictures something occurred to me. If you take a look at the aerial view of the school when all the cars and police cars are surrounding the school you'll notice something. The fire trucks are all parked perfectly and symmetrically. When your called to a massive shooting why take your time to make sure your perfectly parked? Also, the ambulance. There are a bunch of them. But I really saw no use for them,since they were being blocked in. The traffic around the school made it impossible for anyone to get in or out. And there was no one directing traffic at all. So you tell me that there's a massive shooting,with children involved and people needing medical attention,but your going to trap the emergency vehicles rather than get them en route?

Fourth: Do you remember seeing Robbie Parker, Emilies father talk about the loss of his child on national television? I do, I bawled like a baby. But today I'm not. I watched a video(let me just remind you this was the very next day after the shooting.) As Robbie is walking to the podium he is laughing and smiling ear to ear (something a grieving parent does not do),he steps up to the podium,and as he's about to go live, transitions into character in a matter of seconds and is crying about his loss. Something a very good actor would know how to do. He also is reading from cue cards, which makes me question why any parent would need to read off of a cue card to express the love they have for there child.

These points among others such as pictures ive seen. Just who is Lanza's mother? They claim she is a teacher for Sandy Hook but the school has no records of her being an employee. Families waiting in line anxious to be on national television. Pictures of people smiling and people just wandering around. It almost seems like a set to a movie..
You may not agree with me or be upset but something just isn't right to me.

Could this have all been a set up to take away our second amendment?
The start of martial law?
Agree or not but one thing we all need to be doing is getting prepared, for whatever it is that is coming our way..

[st33lersguy]

I don't think this was a set-up, I don't think that massacres like this are something that is coordinated. However there were some eye-opening stuff. Where did 2 other gunmen come from and why wasn't any attention brought to this if there were in fact 2 other gunmen

[Chidi29]

Nope.

[Dwinsgames]

whatever

Obama was really crying too huh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sggsn2SfO8

[Chidi29]

Sorry man, just can't buy it.

It's something that is contagious and not built out of truth. One person creates a conspiracy theory and everyone else starts looking for one, too. Again, looking for something that isn't there.

Keep in mind that if all these theories are true, you have a President that orchestrated a mass killing and parents that decided to go along with it (for no reason given). You don't think it's a stretch?

[Dwinsgames]

or maybe nothing happened at all ...............

I do not know but I do know this , he said he was coming after guns before .... now he is and claims he will use executive orders if necessary to obtain it .... ( now he has a platform like never before coincidence ? maybe maybe not )

if this happens civil war part II will be just on the horizon ...

mark it down ..

[Dwinsgames]

hey did you hear we got Bin Laden and at 4am we found a Muslim Cleric took him aboard a US Navel Ship ( and he willingly went o.0 ) let him wash and wrap the body so we could bury him at sea ??


after a 40 min firefight where Bin Laden was seen with ak47 in hand offering resistance and then had a handgun and hid behind his woman all the while he surrendered without a struggle but was shot 1 time in the head while in the bedroom ...yet was shot in the head and chest while in a hall way leading to the bedroom ..... but was walked outside and shot execution style in the courtyard

pretty amazing stuff .....


do not believe anything told to you by THIS Administration and believe very little from ANY administration .....

if it smells like bullshit chances are it is bullshit !!

go look on youtube and see the emergency vehicles just like this thread says they are and the ambulances are blocked in before they knew if they would need to get out quickly or not ....

they did report men found in the woods close to the school dressed in Fatigues ..... where are they now ? who are they ?

always question what you are told !! ALWAYS


again these where things SHE noticed , lots of coverage still available on the net go back and look for those things with your own two eyes

[Chidi29]

Why are the parents ok with their children being murdered?

[Seven]

We should all know by now not to believe what we are told. And there are details about this shooting and the Aurora shooting which seem... off. But as far as believing this - without more subtantial proof, there just isn't enough there.

People who believe everything they are told are ridiculously naive, but people who disbelieve everything they are told are just as silly. You have to find the middle ground. And while I admit this is worth paying attention to, I don't think it's time to call it staged yet.

[Seven]

For example, this article seems compelling. But can't you find connections like these in everything if you look hard enough?

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http://www.naturalnews.com/038392_Sandy_Hook_Dark_Knight_Rises_Batman_movie.h tml


(NaturalNews) The confirmed discovery that at 1hr:58 of the Dark Knight Rises, Commissioner Gordon is pointing to the words "Sandy Hook" on a map of the Gotham area has caused a storm of interest.

As it should---since 27 people were just killed at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, and in the Dark Knight film, "Sandy Hook" is indicated as a target for attack.

Unless, of course, one wants to believe this is merely a boggling coincidence, one that accidentally ties the Batman theater massacre to the Connecticut school massacre.

In that case, add to the list of coincidences the fact that Suzanne Collins, the author of The Hunger Games, in which 23 children are ritually sacrificed in arena competition, lives in Newtown/Sandy Hook, and in real life someone(s) just killed 20 children in the Sandy Hook Elementary School.

This is the familiar "Joker" mode of secret societies, in which little foreshadowing clues are placed in significant places. Michael Hoffman, author of Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare, comments on "The Method": "...a clown-like, grinning mockery of the victim[s] as a show of power and macabre arrogance...performed in a veiled manner accompanied by certain occult signs and symbolic words...They brag to us about what they've gotten away with..."

It's also a coincidence that the east coast of America sustained horrendous damage from a storm called Sandy recently.

It's also a coincidence that an island called Sandy, New Caledonia, had been located on many maps until 2012, when an Australian surveyor ship concluded that it had never existed, and it was promptly disappeared from authoritative maps of the area. "Destroyed."

Then there is the coincidence involving the Aurora theater, just before the massacre there this summer, when during film trailers, before The Dark Knight Rises premiered, a preview of Skyfall was shown, and on a building appeared, in red letters, "Aurora."

More Dark Knight Rises coincidence: the studio sent out a promotional package before the film premiered this summer. An included map clearly showed Sandy Hook, within, or just south of, "Strike Zone 1," where an attack would be launched. (Click through to enter site.)

http://www.ugo.com/movies/the-dark-knight-rises-viral-package

More coincidence: there is a book called "The Dark Knight Manual." In the book, there is a map as well. But on this map, at the very bottom, Sandy Hook is "South Hinkley." (Click to enlarge.)

http://i.imgur.com/SW8NF.jpg

Does that name Hinkley ring a bell?

Just another coincidence that John Hinckley is the person convicted of attempting to assassinate President Reagan on March 30, 1981.

Hinckley---former psychiatric patient, drugged, and, some say, operated on with mind control techniques to set him up as the patsy in the attempt on Reagan's life.

Hinckley---son of an oil man who was George Bush the Elder's big-time presidential supporter. John Hinckley's brother Scott had a dinner booked at Neil Bush's house the day after the Reagan assassination attempt. Scott had to cancel.

Obsessed with yet another film, Taxi Driver, and its child star, Jody Foster, young Hinckley, according to received wisdom, planned the attack on Reagan to impress Foster---whom he had stalked, going so far as to take a writing class at Yale, where Foster was matriculating.

What and who is at Yale in New Haven, a few miles from Newtown? Historically, exactly the kind of men who, bent on controlling America, engaged in occult rituals, taking blood oaths. Secret society men. Diabolical Skull&Bones men who, for example, supported the Nazi war machine and Hitler, who in turn slaughtered millions. Nazi financiers like Prescott Bush of the Bush-family Skull&Bones members.

But all these things are coincidences and accidents, and there is absolutely nothing to see or think about or connect.

No pieces of this connect at all.

None.

Ask any android. He'll tell you. "Nothing to see, keep moving, eyes straight ahead."



Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038392_Sandy_Hook_Dark_Knight_Rises_Batman_movie.h tml#ixzz2FmmmfdzV

[Godfather]

Seriously people....take off the tinfoil hats :banghead:

[Hindes204]

I'm a pretty conservative guy, and one of the biggest Obama critics around.....but this conspiratorial nonsense is just ridiculous.

[Dwinsgames]

marshal law ? http://www.paragoulddailypress.com/articles/2012/12/15/top_story/doc50cbbb312e241511092932.txt

[Dwinsgames]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

there are signs of things that MIGHT be on the horizon , but you have to choose to see those signs or ignore them , whichever the case may be I think everyone should at the very least be aware of the possibilities ... be it nothing or something very significant ....

[Chidi29]

You didn't answer my question. Why would the parents let their children die?

[Dwinsgames]

You didn't answer my question. Why would the parents let their children die?


assuming there where any children you mean ?

have you seen any ?

just asking because I have not ... I have not the clue if it happened or not for 100% certainty ....

I question things .. I keep an open mind , you clearly are a dismissive person on everything .... so it is clear to me we will never agree ...

go on keep your eyes closed nothing to see here or anywhere for that matter ... I will keep my eyes open as well as my mind and just take it all on and see where it leads ... I will not be right or wrong on any of it because the fact is WE DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE about any of it .....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

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You didn't answer my question. Why would the parents let their children die?

[Chidi29]

So these children are just made up? And no one has said anything?

I bet the principal didn't exist either.

Heck, I bet there isn't even a school.

Until you can actually answer that question, there's a major hole in your story.

[Dwinsgames]

So these children are just made up? And no one has said anything?

I bet the principal didn't exist either.

Heck, I bet there isn't even a school.

Until you can actually answer that question, there's a major hole in your story.


you honestly have to have a learning disorder ...

at the very least a reading comprehension problem

just like every topic that you reply to you fail to understand anything that is stated clearly for you to see ....


WHERE DID I STATE ANY OF THIS HAPPENED OR DID NOT HAPPEN ????

I did however say CLEARLY several times ( and in the first line of the post ) I am not saying it is so , I am not saying it is not maybe you see it if it is BOLD and RED



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marshal law ? http://www.paragoulddailypress.com/articles/2012/12/15/top_story/doc50cbbb312e241511092932.txt


THIS IS NOT HAPPENING EITHER RIGHT ?????


In response to a recent increase in crime, Paragould Mayor Mike Gaskill and Police Chief Todd Stovall offered residents at a town hall meeting Thursday night at West View Baptist Church what could be considered an extreme solution — armed officers patrolling the streets on foot.

Stovall told the group of almost 40 residents that beginning in 2013, the department would deploy a new street crimes unit to high crime areas on foot to take back the streets.

"[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

Stovall said while some people may be offended by the actions of his department, they should not be.

"We're going to do it to everybody," he said. "Criminals don't like being talked to."

Gaskill backed Stovall's proposed actions during Thursday's town hall.




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"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Stovall said the foot patrols would begin on the east side of town and would eventually snake into the Pecan Grove area.

He said the police would follow where crime was taking place in order to snuff it out.

Normally, police would not stop individuals for simply walking on the street, but Stovall said the level of crime in certain areas and concerns from residents gave his officers the right to institute the actions announced at the town hall event.

"This fear is what's given us the reason to do this. Once I have stats and people saying they're scared, we can do this," he said. "It allows us to do what we're fixing to do."

Stovall further elaborated on the stop-and-ID policy Friday morning, claiming the city's crime statistics alone met the threshold of reasonable suspicion required to lawfully accost a citizen.

"To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

Stovall said he did not consult an attorney before announcing his plans to combat crime. He even remained undaunted when comparing his proposed tactics with martial law, explaining that "I don't know that there's ever been a difference" between his proposals and martial law.

Stovall said task force members would not even be required to be looking for a specific suspect before stopping citizens on the street.

"Anyone that's out walking, because of the crime and the fear factor, [could be stopped]," he said.

Should an individual not produce identification, Stovall said his officers would not back down. Individuals who do not produce identification when asked could be charged with obstructing a governmental operation, according to Stovall.

"I'm hoping we don't run across [any] of that," Stovall said. "Will there be people who buck us? There may be. But we have a right to be doing what we're doing. We have a zero-tolerance. We are prepared to throw your hind-end in jail, OK? We're not going to take a lot of flack."

On Friday, however, Gaskill retreated from the severity of the plan he and Stovall offered to citizens at the town hall.

"The only people who are really going to be impacted by this are mostly the unknowns," Gaskill said.

The mayor said the street crimes unit would not be positioned to cause problems for law-abiding residents.

"We just want to make a presence out there for the criminal element," Gaskill said. "And we want to make a presence for the people who are concerned and give them a sense of security."

Gaskill added he was not concerned about potential profiling by the police department. Even though Stovall had said police would enter neighborhoods with the highest crime rates, Gaskill said officers would respond to where they received calls.

"It would be based on where people have called us and said things are going on in our neighborhood," he said.

Gaskill made clear Friday that when residents called about problems in their neighborhoods, they needed to provide police with information.

"Give us a description — what kinds of clothes they're wearing, [license] plate number. We'll be looking for descriptions," he said.

City Attorney Allen Warmath echoed Gaskill's statements on Friday.

"It is my understanding that if they get a call in an area and they go to an area because of some calls of suspicious activity, they'll make contact," Warmath said.

Warmath said while he had not directly spoken to Stovall, he understood that the street crimes unit would actually be less confrontational than Stovall let on.

"If they have a call that there's some problems in the area, they're at least going to talk to you," he said. "Maybe that person walking their dog saw something. It gives them some information and some leads to find out what's going on."

As for having IDs, he said citizens wouldn't have to worry about that, either. He said the police would not arrest residents solely for failing to produce identification when asked.

Attorney Curtis Hitt of the law firm of Hitt and Kidd said officers were allowed to engage in "consensual questioning" with citizens, though if any circumstances arose that led to an arrest, a judge would have to look at the "totality" of those circumstances.

"The bottom line is it would have to be determined on a case by case basis," he said.

Hitt said he had a high regard for Stovall and the Paragould police. He said he felt their intentions were in the right place, which he believed was preventing crime and making Paragould a safe community.

"At the same time, as an attorney who reads police reports and keeps up with the law, I certainly will be careful of that for any of my clients."

Thursday's town hall meeting was the second of four meetings Paragould officials will host to discuss crime statistics in different parts of town. Officials will meet with residents Tuesday at Center Hill Church of Christ and Thursday at the Paragould Community Center. Both meetings begin at 7 p.m.



keep moving nothing to see here , where are those damned blinders at anyways ???

Chidi got an extra pair by chance ??

[Chidi29]

If you get to just ask questions and just throw things out there, then so can I.

In order for this to be true, the 26 victims must not have existed? That's what you threw out there as an explanation and I simply responded back. Though I'm hoping seeing that major issue with this "idea" would sway you to not believe the theory.

[Dwinsgames]

again as in the title .... My nice wrote this she is 24 and a mother of a 3 year old some things she noticed , I am not saying it is so , I am not saying it is not ..... just found it interesting ..nothing more or less so not going to argue this point with anyone it is what it is ......

break it all down as 1 statement at a time .... 4 total statements ...

ask yourself what potential conclusions could be drawn of each INDIVIDUAL things that stuck her as odd .... thy are already numbers in sequence so use that as your basis to proceed

1) I wondered the SAME thing myself , we also heard of TWO shadowy figures running around a corner but 1 dead shooter ...... I also pondered the weapon left in the car and found that to be odd

2) very strange , 2 horrific events both using a large amount of firepower and both including men in their 20s in body armor and both being cities found in the batman movie ... sounds more than coincidental but not proof of anything

3) I told my wife when it first was on the TV this is strange , look at all the ambulances there how are they supposed to get out of there with the wounded ( before we knew the numbers wounded where very few )


4) totally mind boggling , I did not watch that even but I believe what she says she seen she has no reason to lie to my wife ( her favorite aunt ) how could this man be laughing so soon after such a tragic loss , I nearly lost my oldest son in an auto accident when he was 15 and going to a school basketball game with a couple of friends , he was life frighted to Pittsburgh childrens hospital and we where told by the Dr. said he probably would not make it through the night ..... no way you laugh about anything during those times let alone the death just days later .....

my son is fine now 10 years later

put all those things together and i understand why anyone would question this situation




I'm going to start this post by saying that I do not intend to offend anyone in any way!
I am a person who seeks answers and that is all I'm trying to do.

With that said, the recent events at Sandy Hook have greatly affected us all. But I've been doing a little research and have found a few things to be quite disturbing.
So here it goes.

First: They claim there was one shooter only, who was found dead in one of the classrooms by suicide. Yet I have seen video and heard police radio/scanners finding and capturing a second shooter just outside the school,and a third in the woods. Who are these other guys and where are they?? Odd?

Second: I have not seen the new Batman movie yet,but I just watched some clips. Remember the Aurora movie theater shooting at the Batman premier? Yea,the new Batman movie made a reference to Aurora. Pretty ironic. But the most disturbing is,at one point in the movie there is a map layed out. The only two "cities" made visible to read are Gotham City, and Sandy Hook. At that time the actor says "Get the GPS so we can figure out how to take them down" at that same moment he puts his hand on Sandy Hook. Ironic,or deeply disturbing?

Third: After viewing pictures something occurred to me. If you take a look at the aerial view of the school when all the cars and police cars are surrounding the school you'll notice something. The fire trucks are all parked perfectly and symmetrically. When your called to a massive shooting why take your time to make sure your perfectly parked? Also, the ambulance. There are a bunch of them. But I really saw no use for them,since they were being blocked in. The traffic around the school made it impossible for anyone to get in or out. And there was no one directing traffic at all. So you tell me that there's a massive shooting,with children involved and people needing medical attention,but your going to trap the emergency vehicles rather than get them en route?

Fourth: Do you remember seeing Robbie Parker, Emilies father talk about the loss of his child on national television? I do, I bawled like a baby. But today I'm not. I watched a video(let me just remind you this was the very next day after the shooting.) As Robbie is walking to the podium he is laughing and smiling ear to ear (something a grieving parent does not do),he steps up to the podium,and as he's about to go live, transitions into character in a matter of seconds and is crying about his loss. Something a very good actor would know how to do. He also is reading from cue cards, which makes me question why any parent would need to read off of a cue card to express the love they have for there child.

These points among others such as pictures ive seen. Just who is Lanza's mother? They claim she is a teacher for Sandy Hook but the school has no records of her being an employee. Families waiting in line anxious to be on national television. Pictures of people smiling and people just wandering around. It almost seems like a set to a movie..
You may not agree with me or be upset but something just isn't right to me.

Could this have all been a set up to take away our second amendment?
The start of martial law?
Agree or not but one thing we all need to be doing is getting prepared, for whatever it is that is coming our way..
.

[Chidi29]

The "where are the other gunman" thought can simply be chalked up to inaccurate reporting by the media. Everyone tried to jump on the story, someone says something inaccurate, and it spreads like wildfire. Heck, the media originally had the shooter's brother as the killer. So it's obvious the media just screwed up. There were no other gunman.

The Batman stuff is just law of small numbers. An event happens and you can always find things that appear to relate to it but in reality, are just coincidences. Unless the writers of Batman are also "in" on the Sandy Hook shooting (for whatever reason). So now you have Obama, the parents, and the writers of the new Batman movie "in" on the mass shootings. Why would anyone believe that?

So all you have left is a parent laughing before a press conference? Pretty flimsy evidence.

So now I've answered your questions. Answer mine.

[Dwinsgames]

The "where are the other gunman" thought can simply be chalked up to inaccurate reporting by the media. Everyone tried to jump on the story, someone says something inaccurate, and it spreads like wildfire. Heck, the media originally had the shooter's brother as the killer. So it's obvious the media just screwed up. There were no other gunman.

The Batman stuff is just law of small numbers. An event happens and you can always find things that appear to relate to it but in reality, are just coincidences. Unless the writers of Batman are also "in" on the Sandy Hook shooting (for whatever reason). So now you have Obama, the parents, and the writers of the new Batman movie "in" on the mass shootings. Why would anyone believe that?

So all you have left is a parent laughing before a press conference? Pretty flimsy evidence.

So now I've answered your questions. Answer mine.


who said anything about the makers of the batman movie being involved ( YOU ) nobody else has made that claim ...

WATCH closely .... the first few seconds before he knows he is on air is KEY .... what father grieving the loss of his little girl acts like this just 24 hours after her passing ????????




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gu9BRoUt1Q

[Chidi29]

who said anything about the makers of the batman movie being involved ( YOU ) nobody else has made that claim ...

WATCH closely .... the first few seconds before he knows he is on air is KEY .... what father grieving the loss of his little girl acts like this just 24 hours after her passing ????????




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gu9BRoUt1Q

That's what you copy/pasted!!

Second: I have not seen the new Batman movie yet,but I just watched some clips. Remember the Aurora movie theater shooting at the Batman premier? Yea,the new Batman movie made a reference to Aurora. Pretty ironic. But the most disturbing is,at one point in the movie there is a map layed out. The only two "cities" made visible to read are Gotham City, and Sandy Hook. At that time the actor says "Get the GPS so we can figure out how to take them down" at that same moment he puts his hand on Sandy Hook. Ironic,or deeply disturbing?

If we assume this is actually tied in, then the makers of the movie knew that the shootings would happen. Otherwise, it's just coincidence.

Who are you to tell someone how they should be grieving? And he's talking as he's smiling, someone probably quipped something funny to him. As much of a tragedy as it is for him, it's not impossible to crack a smile for three seconds.

And if that's your evidence, you have quite probably the weakest case ever.

[Dwinsgames]

whatever ... fathers of dead daughter 6 or 7 just 24 hours after the fact ( or anyone close to him would be making jokes ) laughing , smiling about anything ...

but keep your eyes closed and stay on the path

[Chidi29]

whatever ... fathers of dead daughter 6 or 7 just 24 hours after the fact ( or anyone close to him would be making jokes ) laughing , smiling about anything ...

but keep your eyes closed and stay on the path

My eyes closed? You're the hypocrite. Passing me off as dismissive and not actually focusing on the claims you're making. And when I finally bite and start disproving the theory, you stop fighting back. Because you know how absurd this idea is.

Answer the question I posed. Why would the parents let their child die? Why would the family of the principal that died let this happen?

[Dwinsgames]

My eyes closed? You're the hypocrite. Passing me off as dismissive and not actually focusing on the claims you're making. And when I finally bite and start disproving the theory, you stop fighting back. Because you know how absurd this idea is.

Answer the question I posed. Why would the parents let their child die? Why would the family of the principal that died let this happen?


look ... you believe for ONE fucking second that someone who lost their 6 year old daughter would find anything in the world funny just 24 hours later ..I call Bullshit ... that is one thing I am certain of , because I nearly lost my oldest son so I was damn near in their shoes and know how it felt .... laughter or a smile of the last thing you are going to do ...

on top of that he took a moment to get into camera mode what he did not know is he was on camera the entire time ...

if your that gullible to think that was not an act , nothing in the world will ever change your mind except being in or damn near in those shoes ... That I can say with 110% certainty

and frankly I could give a fuck less if you agree or not with this or anything else I post , I sure as hell am not gonna lose any sleep over your and your opinions ...

[Chidi29]

look ... you believe for ONE fucking second that someone who lost their 6 year old daughter would find anything in the world funny just 24 hours later ..I call Bullshit ... that is one thing I am certain of , because I nearly lost my oldest son so I was damn near in their shoes and know how it felt .... laughter or a smile of the last thing you are going to do ...

on top of that he took a moment to get into camera mode what he did not know is he was on camera the entire time ...

if your that gullible to think that was not an act , nothing in the world will ever change your mind except being in or damn near in those shoes ... That I can say with 110% certainty

and frankly I could give a fuck less if you agree or not with this or anything else I post , I sure as hell am not gonna lose any sleep over your and your opinions ...

Again, every person is different. You don't speak for every person out there.

So if you believe it is not an act, then what does him laughing mean? That he does not care his child is dead?

[oneforthetoe]

I am open minded enough to permit people their own beliefs without passing judgement on those people because of those beliefs. And I am sure there are things about this horrific act that we have not been told. Still, if there is one thing I am completely convinced of every time I look at those pictures of those poor little kids (and still get a tear in my eye) is that a sick demented soul destroyed the lives of 26 people and their families. And that that sick demented soul is responsible for that act - and anything else is just static.

It still makes me sad.:pray:

And, if I am being perfectly honest, so does this thread.:sorry:

[The Patriot]

The father laughing before he made the tearful statement is odd, no doubt, but it's not evidence for anything. Nothing.

I've come to figure out how internet conspiracy theorists operate. They take tragic events like 9/11 and the Sandy shootings and search for oddities. Once they find all these odd unexplained pieces that were overlooked during the chaos, they present them to you and challenge you to explain them. When you can't explain them after five minutes of thought, they try to tell you that this means the whole thing was an elaborate hoax, and people believe them. I need evidence to believe stuff. Find a document like Northwoods and you have evidence for a government conspiracy. Some guy laughing is not evidence, it's an oddity. If he really was a hired actor, there'd be a trail. Interview his neighbors. People would probably notice if 26 families were actually government plants in a small Connecticut community. Go find evidence and get back to me.

That being said, I don't give these conspiracy theories the time of day (no offense to anyone here).

[Count Steeler]

Accusations, in my book, need to be proved beyond a shadow of doubt. While I do not trust the media to present the whole truth, I also don't think an event of this scale can be fabricated. While there may be oddities, proof has to be definite.

So did we (mankind) actually land on the moon or not?

[GBMelBlount]

The father laughing before he made the tearful statement is odd, no doubt, but it's not evidence for anything. Nothing.

I've come to figure out how internet conspiracy theorists operate. They take tragic events like 9/11 and the Sandy shootings and search for oddities. Once they find all these odd unexplained pieces that were overlooked during the chaos, they present them to you and challenge you to explain them. When you can't explain them after five minutes of thought, they try to tell you that this means the whole thing was an elaborate hoax, and people believe them. I need evidence to believe stuff. Find a document like Northwoods and you have evidence for a government conspiracy. Some guy laughing is not evidence, it's an oddity. If he really was a hired actor, there'd be a trail. Interview his neighbors. People would probably notice if 26 families were actually government plants in a small Connecticut community. Go find evidence and get back to me.

That being said, I don't give these conspiracy theories the time of day (no offense to anyone here).

There could be 1,000 things related to an incident.

Find 10 that are inconsistent and present them out of context of the other 990 and it can look like compelling evidence.

[The Patriot]

There could be 1,000 things related to an incident.

Find 10 that are inconsistent and present them out of context of the other 990 and it can look like compelling evidence.

Exactly.

[Wallace108]

Emilie Parker, the daughter of the smiling and laughing father in the video on Page 1 was laid to rest in Utah today. Why Utah? That's where the family is from. They've lived in Newtown for less than a year and probably aren't a well-known family in the community. Is this important? Were they a plant? Am I just adding fuel to the fire? The answer to at least one of those questions is "yes."

The important thing right now is to mourn those poor children who lost their lives.

[GBMelBlount]

Exactly.

Does not mean that some conspiracy theories are not true. This is a great thread and some really interesting points made.

On a side note, I think there is compelling evidence that Tom Brady is gay.

Did you see the picture of him going down that water slide with his arms up like a fairy?

Just sayin...

[zulater]

Does not mean that some conspiracy theories are not true. This is a great thread and some really interesting points made.

On a side note, I think there is compelling evidence that Tom Brady is gay.

Did you see the picture of him going down that water slide with his arms up like a fairy?

Just sayin...
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http://dubsism.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/tom-brady-water-slide.jpg

[vader29]

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[The Patriot]

Does not mean that some conspiracy theories are not true. This is a great thread and some really interesting points made.

On a side note, I think there is compelling evidence that Tom Brady is gay.

Did you see the picture of him going down that water slide with his arms up like a fairy?

Just sayin...

Unfortunately.

Maybe some mysteries are better left unsolved. That's the Patriots way. :yup:

[Hindes204]

look ... you believe for ONE fucking second that someone who lost their 6 year old daughter would find anything in the world funny just 24 hours later ..I call Bullshit ... that is one thing I am certain of , because I nearly lost my oldest son so I was damn near in their shoes and know how it felt .... laughter or a smile of the last thing you are going to do ...

on top of that he took a moment to get into camera mode what he did not know is he was on camera the entire time ...

if your that gullible to think that was not an act , nothing in the world will ever change your mind except being in or damn near in those shoes ... That I can say with 110% certainty

and frankly I could give a fuck less if you agree or not with this or anything else I post , I sure as hell am not gonna lose any sleep over your and your opinions ...

I lost my 16 y/o son 6 months ago, so believe me when I say this...you have no idea how to act after a situation like that. You "nearly losing" your son does not qualify you to know how the fuck people act when they lose their children. Everyone is different, and laughing at a joke 24 hours after losing your child doesn't mean a fucking thing. When you lose a child, you walk around in a daze, you have no idea how to act, and you commenting on it like you know the feeling pisses me off.

[Dwinsgames]

I lost my 16 y/o son 6 months ago, so believe me when I say this...you have no idea how to act after a situation like that. You "nearly losing" your son does not qualify you to know how the fuck people act when they lose their children. Everyone is different, and laughing at a joke 24 hours after losing your child doesn't mean a fucking thing. When you lose a child, you walk around in a daze, you have no idea how to act, and you commenting on it like you know the feeling pisses me off.


2 boys died in the crash my son was in , my son was at deathdoor ... broken ribs , broken pelvic bone in 3 places , collapsed lung , bruises heart , lacerated liver , something with his spleen ( can not recall the words used ) lots of internal bleeding , they got TBoned by a Penndot snow plow / salt truck that was going 50 mph he spent 6 months in a hospital bed getting blood thinner shots every 12 hours in the stomach and that was after he got out of the hospital .....

I am sorry for your loss , but to tell me I have no clue , trust me I have a very good clue .... his two best friends in life died , and he was reported dead on the news .... that is as close as anyone ever gets without being there ....

was not intending to be insensitive ...

I am done here ....

[steeldawg]

I lost my 16 y/o son 6 months ago, so believe me when I say this...you have no idea how to act after a situation like that. You "nearly losing" your son does not qualify you to know how the fuck people act when they lose their children. Everyone is different, and laughing at a joke 24 hours after losing your child doesn't mean a fucking thing. When you lose a child, you walk around in a daze, you have no idea how to act, and you commenting on it like you know the feeling pisses me off.

I agree and im sorry for your loss, for these parents there is also the media circus surronding the incident, it must be a whirlwind of emotion and it doesnt help some half wit sticking a microphone in your face wanting to know your evey emotion. This whole thread makes my stomach turn.

[Dwinsgames]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/20/sandy-hook-massacre-official-story-spins-out-of-control/

[Dwinsgames]

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/16361-Interesting-Video-on-Sandy-Hook

[NJarhead]

I'm a pretty conservative guy, and one of the biggest Obama critics around.....but this conspiratorial nonsense is just ridiculous.

Precisely. Me as well.


You didn't answer my question. Why would the parents let their children die?

They wouldn't. But wait! There's more!


assuming there where any children you mean ?

have you seen any ?

So, the media should have shown their little bodies and their dead faces on TV?


you honestly have to have a learning disorder ...

at the very least a reading comprehension problem

just like every topic that you reply to you fail to understand anything that is stated clearly for you to see ....


WHERE DID I STATE ANY OF THIS HAPPENED OR DID NOT HAPPEN ????

Read your quote above. You are a full blown conspiracy theorist (with questionable intelligence yourself) masquerading around as the Devils Advocate.

You bash folks for "believing everything thier Government tells them" all the while believing everything you see on the internet..., and you expect to be taking seriously???

:jerkit:

[Dwinsgames]

Precisely. Me as well.



They wouldn't. But wait! There's more!



So, the media should have shown their little bodies and their dead faces on TV?



Read your quote above. You are a full blown conspiracy theorist (with questionable intelligence yourself) masquerading around as the Devils Advocate.

You bash folks for "believing everything thier Government tells them" all the while believing everything you see on the internet..., and you expect to be taking seriously???

:jerkit:

:flipoff: clearly you just came to flame , you did not bother to watch the video from the link directly above your post , you did not bother to acknowledge that not even the families where permitted to see the bodies of their own children and NONE of them put up a fuss about it ( odd as hell ) , you did not bother to acknowledge any other inconsistencies or out and out fabrications or lies ... but I am the one who has questionable intelligence ??? umm ok ....

talk about acting like a :jerkit: ...you are doing a mighty fine job right here

[NJarhead]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/20/sandy-hook-massacre-official-story-spins-out-of-control/


http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/16361-Interesting-Video-on-Sandy-Hook


:flipoff: clearly you just came to flame , you did not bother to watch the video from the link directly above your post , you did not bother to acknowledge that not even the families where permitted to see the bodies of their own children and NONE of them put up a fuss about it ( odd as hell ) , you did not bother to acknowledge any other inconsistencies or out and out fabrications or lies ... but I am the one who has questionable intelligence ??? umm ok ....

talk about acting like a :jerkit: ...you are doing a mighty fine job right here

I watched some of the first and quickly realized it was a waste of my time. I also considered the source and I've told you before where I stand on you wastes of skin conspiracy theorists. Expect more of the same.

Do you do any reading outside of what you see in the interwebs?

[zulater]

http://thatsnonsense.com/blog/sandy-hook-conspiracy-theories-not-debunked/

[Dwinsgames]

I watched some of the first and quickly realized it was a waste of my time. I also considered the source and I've told you before where I stand on you wastes of skin conspiracy theorists. Expect more of the same.

Do you do any reading outside of what you see in the interwebs?


well there is half the problem ... YOU HALF looked at it ....

no need to comment when you clearly are unaware of the content in its entirety .....

that is like watching just the first half ( or less ) of a football game and then trying to explain why one team won or lost based on watching part of the game and have no clue what happened in the second half , hell the team you assumed won very well may have lost yet you built your case on ( or in this case made your mind up on ) what you seen and gave little credence ( or no credence as in this case ) to what you did not see ....

you would not do that ( I am assuming ) in a breakdown of a football game would you ?

then why do it with something that has such far greater consequences ?

just sayin

[NJarhead]

well there is half the problem ... YOU HALF looked at it ....

no need to comment when you clearly are unaware of the content in its entirety .....

that is like watching just the first half ( or less ) of a football game and then trying to explain why one team won or lost based on watching part of the game and have no clue what happened in the second half , hell the team you assumed won very well may have lost yet you built your case on ( or in this case made your mind up on ) what you seen and gave little credence ( or no credence as in this case ) to what you did not see ....

you would not do that ( I am assuming ) in a breakdown of a football game would you ?

then why do it with something that has such far greater consequences ?

just sayin

No. It's nothing like that. I guess I failed to mention the reputation of the source (you) of this crap; Has a reputation for posting crap and creating drama.

I thought you were "done here" .... again. :rolleyes:

[Dwinsgames]

No. It's nothing like that. I guess I failed to mention the reputation of the source (you) of this crap; Has a reputation for posting crap and creating drama.

I thought you were "done here" .... again. :rolleyes:


so again you resort to flames when you have nothing else ... typical dick head move on your part ... I have grown used to such moves around here ....its all good /rolls eyes


EDIT ... as a side note I find it interesting you decided to post here and not the page the video I spoke of was posted on .... points toward this being more of an attack on me than the criteria in the debate ... but carry on all the same

[NJarhead]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/NJarhead/Dwinsgames_zps84187536.jpg

Yea, I expected as much. Thanks for the rep!

[Hindes204]

http://thatsnonsense.com/blog/sandy-hook-conspiracy-theories-not-debunked/


we have to look at common sense and logic.

two things that elude these wacked out conspiracy theorists


Sandy Hook was staged because … many of the parents display a lack of visible grief.This point certainly wins the prize of most ignorant and narrow minded. Anyone who has been around people who are in the grieving process will explain that there is no one way – or correct way – to grieve and people display grief in many different ways. Some parents of Sandy Hook appear more upset than others during TV appearances.
These vile claims in particular highlight how twisted, ignorant and narrow-minded some of these conspiracy theorists can be and we have seen firsthand some sick and frankly bizarre posts made my individuals who question the “lack of tears” and composure of certain grieving parents and [even more bizarrely] try to claim that this is proof that they are crisis actors, not grieving parents.

Couldnt agree more

thanks for posting Zu, great article

[zulater]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2112578/pg1

Debunking the Sandy hook conspiracy video, point-by-point

Since no one has really taken the time to debunk this here you go:

First off the guy that created this video is Alex J.Now that that's out of the way let's look at the content of the video...

Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter. They love to grab early media footage and then use that as "evidence" of their claims, as if the media's first reporting is somehow golden. Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence. Anyway, you can easily google and figure out who the guy in the woods was.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

He is the father of a student there and the athletic director at the highschool. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with 1st graders when he heard the shots. He was unarmed, arrested, detained, questioned, and let go. The story of the guy in the woods was a dead end, so the media dropped it. That is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle, they will report any lead they get before sorting out facts. However, this is hardly evidence of a conspiracy.

The video even makes the ridiculous claim that since the guy was sitting in the FRONT of the police car, that he must have some "crazy" credentials. Yeah, what is more likely...that this guy was a concerned father or that he was a man with some "crazy" credentials on a black ops mission to shoot up a school but he just didn't have the skills to properly vacate, and so he ended up getting himself captured by lowly local law enforcement, AND broadcast on national tv, potentially exposing his super secret black op? C'mon.

Theory 2: The gun discrepancy. This can be chalked up to contradictory reporting, which is going to happen when the media competes with itself to be the first one to break any new details. There have already been articles clearing up the discrepancies: [link to edition.cnn.com]

Theory 3: The nurse is fake and does not exist. This is completely false, and has been debunked with evidence: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of fond memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways. We do not have the right to criticize his reaction, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

Theory 5: Emillie Parker is not dead. This is the most absurd thing I have seen so far in the video. The video alleges not only that the girl is not dead, but that the parents were so stupid they brought out the wrong sister for the photo op. What? Do people honestly believe that? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] It's a picture of her sister. Obviously. They look alike because, you know, they're sister's. This guy uses the same photoshop trick as the conspiracy video and gets the same effect. [link to i.imgur.com]

Theory 6: One piece of footage of the crime scene does not show many ambulances and shows no children. The author claims this means this was all staged. He goes on to say that only one ambulance was there the whole time and they quickly blocked off all exits. The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, there are several pictures of multiple ambulances: [link to www.politico.com] Secondly, this footage that the videos author is commenting on is likely taken well after the shooting took place, which easily explains why there aren't a bunch of ambulances around and no one is panicking. More things taken out of context because they fit the authors narrative.

Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example) Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook ( [link to www.google.com (secure)] ), listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place. Well shit, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.

[NJarhead]

so again you resort to flames when you have nothing else ... typical dick head move on your part ... I have grown used to such moves around here ....its all good /rolls eyes

I'm sure. Everywhere else as well.

So we're clear. Conspiracy theorists, like yourself, are vermin to me. I don't entertain vermin. I don't respect vermin. I treat vermin...well, as the vermin that they are.

[Dwinsgames]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/NJarhead/Dwinsgames_zps84187536.jpg

Yea, I expected as much. Thanks for the rep!


anytime , I am always willing to give credit where credit is do

[Hindes204]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/NJarhead/Dwinsgames_zps84187536.jpg

Yea, I expected as much. Thanks for the rep!

nice...you should see my inbox from this guy...he's a piece of work

[NJarhead]

nice...you should see my inbox from this guy...he's a piece of work

Delusional, conspiracy attention whore who uses back channels to stalk you when his delusions are challenged? We should be used to the type by now. It's called uneducated and immature. Funny how those types always have the most to say.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110719123740/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/2/2b/Attention_Whore.jpg/180px-Attention_Whore.jpg

[Dwinsgames]

I'm sure. Everywhere else as well.

So we're clear. Conspiracy theorists, like yourself, are vermin to me. I don't entertain vermin. I don't respect vermin. I treat vermin...well, as the vermin that they are.


Just love how people talk on the internet , 99.999% of the time they never have the balls to do it to your face ... but carry on all the same if it makes you feel tough at the end of the day that is all that will matter you feeling tough ....

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nice...you should see my inbox from this guy...he's a piece of work

why don't ya post it Hindes ....

I think it went something like this ....

I know you do not like me much but happy birthday all the same , hope you have a nice day ( or something to that effect )

[NJarhead]

Just love how people talk on the internet , 99.999% of the time they never have the balls to do it to your face ... but carry on all the same if it makes you feel tough at the end of the day that is all that will matter you feeling tough ....

My wife wants me to stop being so blunt to people's faces. She thinks I'm rude. I try to explain that I hate fake people, believe in tough love and call out BS when I see it, but she's too sweet a person to understand and always cares about other peoples feelings. It's admirable really, but...

Anyway, let me assure you I'd say everything I have to say to your face.

[Hindes204]

Just love how people talk on the internet , 99.999% of the time they never have the balls to do it to your face ... but carry on all the same if it makes you feel tough at the end of the day that is all that will matter you feeling tough ....

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why don't ya post it Hindes ....

I think it went something like this ....

I know you do not like me much but happy birthday all the same , hope you have a nice day ( or something to that effect )

i guess you forgot about the one where you called me an alcoholic......because you read a few posts of mine on the Internet, you have the knowledge to understand my daily habits

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My wife wants me to stop being so blunt to people's faces. She thinks I'm rude. I try to explain that I hate fake people, believe in tough love and call out BS when I see it, but she's too sweet a person to understand and always cares about other peoples feelings. It's admirable really, but...

Anyway, let me assure you I'd say everything I have to say to your face.


I could have made the exact same post as it applies to me as well

[zulater]

Whatever happened to the policy of addressing / attacking the post as opposed to the poster? :noidea:

Someone makes a point ignore it or address it, and if you can debunk it.

[Dwinsgames]

My wife wants me to stop being so blunt to people's faces. She thinks I'm rude. I try to explain that I hate fake people, believe in tough love and call out BS when I see it, but she's too sweet a person to understand and always cares about other peoples feelings. It's admirable really, but...

Anyway, let me assure you I'd say everything I have to say to your face.


My wife always tells me to " be nice " and I always reply with I am who I am if they do not like it I am but an arms reach away ...after 20+ years she has decided to save her breath ..

I do not take shit from people , if they got balls enough to make a comment or show a disrespectful action I am going to hold them accountable ....

guy cuts me off in a parking lot then has the gull to flip me off you can bet your ass I put my vehicle in park on the spot and step out of the car/truck and ask him wtf his problem is and give them every chance to backup their rudeness face to face ..

I treat people how thy treat me ....

be an ass I will be a bigger ass , respect me I will respect you ..pretty simple and basic concept in my book

[NJarhead]

Whatever happened to the policy of addressing / attacking the post as opposed to the poster? :noidea:

Someone makes a point ignore it or address it, and if you can debunk it.

Yes in a credible argument or debate, I would agree. At some point though the source of these continuous attempts at recruiting like-minded conspiracy theorists -or- creating drama for the purpose of attention needs to be addressed.

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My wife always tells me to " be nice " and I always reply with I am who I am if they do not like it I am but an arms reach away ...after 20+ years she has decided to save her breath ..

I do not take shit from people , if they got balls enough to make a comment or show a disrespectful action I am going to hold them accountable ....

guy cuts me off in a parking lot then has the gull to flip me off you can bet your ass I put my vehicle in park on the spot and step out of the car/truck and ask him wtf his problem is and give them every chance to backup their rudeness face to face ..

I treat people how thy treat me ....

be an ass I will be a bigger ass , respect me I will respect you ..pretty simple and basic concept in my book

I didn't ask, nor do I care.

[43Hitman]

Whatever happened to the policy of addressing / attacking the post as opposed to the poster? :noidea:

Someone makes a point ignore it or address it, and if you can debunk it.

I agree. If y'all don't like what he has to say, then don't respond, or prove it wrong. But attacking him just because you don't care for him or his posting style is immature and bullish. Grow the fuck up.

[Dwinsgames]

Yes in a credible argument or debate, I would agree. At some point though the source of these continuous attempts at recruiting like-minded conspiracy theorists -or- creating drama for the purpose of attention needs to be addressed.

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I didn't ask, nor do I care.


yep and I created all those videos /rolls eyes ...you are such a dick

[NJarhead]

I agree. If y'all don't like what he has to say, then don't respond, or prove it wrong. But attacking him just because you don't care for him or his posting style is immature and bullish. Grow the fuck up.

Hold on a second. I stated my opinions of his rantings. He represents something I can't stand. He posted that represntation and I responded to him for it. Those of you who wish to refute his claims are more than welcome to. But, IMO, all that does is feed the BS debate and that's precisely what he wants. I find any time spent in that manner to be a waste. I opted instead, and always will to go straight to the "accuser" and let him know that I know what he's all about.

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should have done this much sooner

[NJarhead]

yep and I created all those videos /rolls eyes ...you are such a dick

Now, had you posted those and said, "can you believe this crap?" I would have had to rethink my opinion of you, but you embrace those opinions, the conspiracies and you post them here so you can argue your conspiracy theories. You tried that crap with 9/11 the other day and now it's this. I'm sure you think our gov't killed JFK and that we never landed on the moon and that Bin Laden is laying on a beach somewhere, as is Hoffa, etc, etc,. What's worse is when your theories are refuted with fact, you continue to hold on to "ideas and questions" as though they are facts that can't be ignored. It's sickening.

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should have done this much sooner


Great idea! kudos. I think I'm going to play a little "monkey see, monkey do" here.

[Dwinsgames]

1) Those of you who wish to refute his claims are more than welcome to. But, IMO, all that does is feed the BS debate and that's precisely what he wants. 2) I find any time spent in that manner to be a waste. 3) I opted instead, and always will to go straight to the "accuser" and let him know that I know what he's all about.

I edited the above quote with numbers to address each so called point made ....

1) you magically know what I want based on posting of an email sent to me by my niece and some videos someone else made that where publicly posted on youtube ...Interesting considering I posted someone else's works ( and other have too but I am the one getting 110% of your bullshit ... VERY interesting indeed


2) funny you find it a total waist yet spend an unlimited amount of time trying to insult me in your posts here that you claim do not deserve your time ... again VERY interesting

3) again going back toward point 1 the original post and the videos from youtube are not my work , yet for me posting them I get the brunt of your ignorance ... VERY interesting .... and to make the point even further a link above the post where you first started bashing me is to another page on this forum to a video posted by another member of this forum and you have not said jack shit to them .. proving this is nothing but an attack on me individually and has nothing to do with the content of this thread ( you claimed earlier you went to it and watched part of the video ) so would be hard pressed for you to backtrack on that now ... so why bash me here and not bash the poster there if it is about content , this further proves it is not the content its is you contempt for me as an individual ...

with that being said I will be at Latrobe this year again for training camp as I usually am , if you care to discuss this in person just let me know ...

otherwise just stfu and quit acting like a badass on the internet I have no more time for you and your antics ...

[NJarhead]

with that being said I will be at Latrobe this year again for training camp as I usually am , if you care to discuss this in person just let me know ...

otherwise just stfu and quit acting like a badass on the internet I have no more time for you and your antics ...

Predictable as well. Let me guess, that's not a threat or anything, you just want to whip 'em out to see whose is bigger right?

Well, my ignorant friend you're in luck. I'd already been planning to go this year as well. Not sure what your plan would be as I will have my young Son with me, but I can always send him off with my friend to get snacks should you genuinely want to "talk" to me tough guy.

I've encountered little girls like you before, only they were local. They never really want to meet once you agree to meet them. Let's see if you're any different.

[Dwinsgames]

Predictable as well. Let me guess, that's not a threat or anything, you just want to whip 'em out to see whose is bigger right?

Well, my ignorant friend you're in luck. I'd already been planning to go this year as well. Not sure what your plan would be as I will have my young Son with me, but I can always send him off with my friend to get snacks should you genuinely want to "talk" to me tough guy.

I've encountered little girls like you before, only they were local. They never really want to meet once you agree to meet them. Let's see if you're any different.

I am there almost yearly .... have no plans in not attending this year ...

[fansince'76]

PLEASE keep it civil, folks.

[43Hitman]

Hold on a second. I stated my opinions of his rantings. He represents something I can't stand. He posted that represntation and I responded to him for it. Those of you who wish to refute his claims are more than welcome to. But, IMO, all that does is feed the BS debate and that's precisely what he wants. I find any time spent in that manner to be a waste. I opted instead, and always will to go straight to the "accuser" and let him know that I know what he's all about.

How can you make a logical opinion if you refuse to take the 30 minutes to evaluate the video placed in front of you? All you did was immediately attack Dwins, and repeatedly so. Watch the video brother, then shoot it down if you want. I'm telling you, there is something wrong with with whats been told to us. JUST WATCH.

Or just submit to your normalcy bias. The choice is all yours.

[Mach1]

In a shocking twist of events lending credence to theintelhub.com’s investigation, it has now been admitted by officials that there is a potential that multiple shooters carried out the bloody massacre that took place at the Sandy Hook Elementary School the morning of December 14, 2012.

By Shepard Ambellas
theintelhub.com
February 6, 2013

NEWTOWN — New information has now been brought forth by Connecticut State Attorney Stephen Sedensky, suggesting that records pertaining to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting have been sealed to possibly hide the identity of witnesses from multiple shooter suspects and that they should not be unsealed anytime soon
Read more at http://reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/20130208002-possibility-hook.html?s=2#Idj26qLhsT2kf3FW.99

http://reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/20130208002-possibility-hook.html?s=2

[Dwinsgames]

http://reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/20130208002-possibility-hook.html?s=2

does not surprise me in the least