Dan Patrick 12/10/12

[Dwinsgames]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i1MNCc-zFnc

about 4 min in listen closely http://draftsteel.com/ff/images/smilies/ouch.gif

[43Hitman]

Yeah, I heard that the other day. I never would have guessed it.

[salamander]

Hmm... The Steelers said no to Joe Montana because they had Neil O'Donnell? So they passed on drafting Dan Marino and passed on signing Joe Montana... interesting food for thought there.

[SteelerFanInStl]

Joe was on his last legs at that point. Neil was a young guy with potential coming off of a decent year in '92 and was improving. He had a better year in '93 and then regressed a bit in '94.

It wouldn't have made any sense for the Steelers to have signed Montana.

[Dwinsgames]

Joe was on his last legs at that point. Neil was a young guy with potential coming off of a decent year in '92 and was improving. He had a better year in '93 and then regressed a bit in '94.

It wouldn't have made any sense for the Steelers to have signed Montana.


other than to add hardware to the trophy case http://draftsteel.com/ff/images/smilies/pimp.gif

[st33lersguy]

He retired before 1995 so he wouldn't have been there to save us in Super Bowl 30 but he would have most led an offense that scored more than 17 points against the Chargers, and he most likely would have converted that 4th and 3 play that O Donnell didn't. But seriously, saying no to THE legendary Joe Montana, because you have Niel O Donnell. That's like saying no to Larry Fitzgerald being on your team because you have Limas Sweed

[SteelerFanInStl]

other than to add hardware to the trophy case http://draftsteel.com/ff/images/smilies/pimp.gif

I lived in the SF Bay Area at that time. Joe wasn't the same player at that point in his career.

[Dwinsgames]

I lived in the SF Bay Area at that time. Joe wasn't the same player at that point in his career.


Living in san fran has little to do with it , he went to KC and made an impact with a team not as good as what we had , that being said I think we would have had a shot at making a deeper run and potentially the ultimate goal .. I could be wrong but we will never know for sure ...

[st33lersguy]

What my reaction would have been if I was in that FO at the time


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDiJhqhYuog

[tube517]

So, Cowher said no to Montana and almost didn't draft Ben. :noidea:

[Dwinsgames]

So, Cowher said no to Montana and almost didn't draft Ben. :noidea:

http://draftsteel.com/ff/images/smilies/bag.gif

[SteelerFanInStl]

Living in san fran has little to do with it , he went to KC and made an impact with a team not as good as what we had , that being said I think we would have had a shot at making a deeper run and potentially the ultimate goal .. I could be wrong but we will never know for sure ...

I see that my point went right past you. I lived in the SF Bay Area at that time, meaning that I watched Joe play throughout his career, including those last few years there. Believe me when I tell you that Niner fans weren't sorry to see him leave. He wasn't the same QB as he was previously and he couldn't carry Steve Youngs jock at that time. He didn't exactly tear it up in KC either and only played for 2 more years.

Giving up on a young QB who had shown promise for a well past his prime veteran wouldn't have been smart.

[Dwinsgames]

I see that my point went right past you. I lived in the SF Bay Area at that time, meaning that I watched Joe play throughout his career, including those last few years there. Believe me when I tell you that Niner fans weren't sorry to see him leave. He wasn't the same QB as he was previously and he couldn't carry Steve Youngs jock at that time. He didn't exactly tear it up in KC either and only played for 2 more years.

Giving up on a young QB who had shown promise for a well past his prime veteran wouldn't have been smart.


his numbers in KC where better with less around him than What Odummy put up with more around him here ... his completion percentage was higher , he had a better TD/int ratio and nearly as many wins with a lesser team ... pretty much that is all I need to know ( and I seen him play too ) as for the last few years in San Fran go well .... he was 15-1 in his last season that he played 16 games in that loss came against the Steelers the next year he played in just 1 game completing 71% of his passes and 2 TDs and zero Ints ...... so not sure what else there is to know but to claim his last few years in san fran stunk ( or was not good even ) IMO nothing could be further from the truth .. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm

that's just my opinion

[pepsyman1]

In 1994 Joe managed to throw 60% completions, for 16 tds against 9 picks AND beat Steve Young and the Niners AND John Elway and the Broncos on the way to the playoffs. In 1993 he made it to the AFC championship game. He might not have been at his peak, but I wouldn't have turned him away

[steelreserve]

I lived in the SF Bay Area at that time. Joe wasn't the same player at that point in his career.

^^ This.

People also seem to forget he was coming off MAJOR elbow surgery and had essentially missed two full seasons in a row, making him about the biggest question mark ever. You can point to his stats, but notice how they jump from 1990 straight to 1992, and there's only one game in 1992 (which was the last half of the last game of the season, against the 5-11 Lions after playoffs and everything had been settled)?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm

There was a reason teams were hesitant to jump on him. Also if I recall, it was a trade, not a free agent situation. The Chiefs gave up a second-round draft pick, and one of the things that the 49ers had made clear was that they would only send him to a team where he could come in and have a chance to be the unquestioned starter on a decent team, basically trying to send him off with some semblance of dignity given the situation.

[salamander]

For the record, I wasn't saying the Steelers should've signed him. It was just giving something to think about. Give me a break, I was only 6 in '95. :chuckle:

[43Hitman]

For the record, I wasn't saying the Steelers should've signed him. It was just giving something to think about. Give me a break, I was only 6 in '95. :chuckle:

:lol:

[Dwinsgames]

^^ This.

People also seem to forget he was coming off MAJOR elbow surgery and had essentially missed two full seasons in a row, making him about the biggest question mark ever. You can point to his stats, but notice how they jump from 1990 straight to 1992, and there's only one game in 1992 (which was the last half of the last game of the season, against the 5-11 Lions after playoffs and everything had been settled)?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm

There was a reason teams were hesitant to jump on him. Also if I recall, it was a trade, not a free agent situation. The Chiefs gave up a second-round draft pick, and one of the things that the 49ers had made clear was that they would only send him to a team where he could come in and have a chance to be the unquestioned starter on a decent team, basically trying to send him off with some semblance of dignity given the situation.


I grant you he missed a great deal of time , thus one would think he would be RUSTY as all hell yet he plays in 1 game in 92 goes 15-21 ( 71.4% comp percentage ) and a pair of TDs ... that should have sent a clear msg that he could still play at a high lvl ...

its nothing to " fight over" I just can not help but wonder with Joe under Center if we do not have 1 or 2 more Lombardi's .... considering he still played well ( better than what we had ) and we where a better team than where he went ...just may have been enough to put us over the top

[Dwinsgames]

Kansas City Chiefs[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joe_Montana&action=edit&section=20&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro)]1993–1994Joe Montana was traded to the Kansas City Chiefs in April 1993 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Kansas_City_Chiefs_season). His trade, along with the free-agent signing of star Los Angeles Raiders running back Marcus Allen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Allen) to the Chiefs, generated much media attention and excitement in Kansas City.
The Chiefs mailed three jerseys to Montana. One was number 3, his number from Notre Dame. Another was number 19, which he wore in little league and also briefly in training camp of the 1979 season with San Francisco, and the third was number 16, which Hall of Fame quarterback Len Dawson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Dawson) offered to let Montana wear since the organization had retired it. Montana declined Dawson's offer and wore 19 instead and signed a $10 million contract over three years.
Montana was injured for part of the 1993 season, but was still selected to his final Pro Bowl and led the Chiefs in two come-from-behind wins in the 1993 playoffs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_1993-94), reaching the AFC Championship Game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_1993-94#AFC:_Buffalo_Bills_30.2C_Kansas_City_Chiefs_13) where Kansas City lost to the Buffalo Bills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bills). Including their two playoff victories that year (the Chiefs only had one prior playoff win since 1970 Super Bowl IV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_IV)), the 1993 Chiefs won 13 games, tying the franchise record for wins in a season. The Chiefs have not won a playoff game since the 1993 season.
Montana returned healthy to the Chiefs in 1994 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Kansas_City_Chiefs_season), starting all but two games. His highlights included a classic duel with John Elway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elway) (which Montana won 31-28) on Monday Night Football, and a memorable game in week 2 when Montana played against his old team, the 49ers and Steve Young. In a much-anticipated match-up, Montana and the Chiefs prevailed and defeated the 49ers 24–17. Montana led his team to a final playoff appearance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_1994-95#AFC:_Miami_Dolphins_27.2C_Kansas_City_Chiefs_17 ), in 1994..

[st33lersguy]

It would have been worth having Montana on, especially since he most likely would have converted on a certain 4th and 3 play in his last season that O Donnell didn't

[steelreserve]

I grant you he missed a great deal of time , thus one would think he would be RUSTY as all hell yet he plays in 1 game in 92 goes 15-21 ( 71.4% comp percentage ) and a pair of TDs ... that should have sent a clear msg that he could still play at a high lvl ...

its nothing to " fight over" I just can not help but wonder with Joe under Center if we do not have 1 or 2 more Lombardi's .... considering he still played well ( better than what we had ) and we where a better team than where he went ...just may have been enough to put us over the top


Oh yeah. In hindsight, he definitely had something left in the tank; anyone but a crackhead can see that. It was just hard to figure that out at the time.

I watched that one game at the end of 1992 by the way, and it was far from certain what was going on. Montana was accurate as ever, but I don't think he threw the ball hard even once. Tons of soft short passes, almost lobs a lot of them. Effective in that game, but if that was really all he could do, he was toast. Obviously he proved later that wasn't it, but I would've been nervous as hell about signing him.

Interesting to think what would've happened if we'd had him. Honestly, part of me thinks he would've put us over the top, but another part says we were a very good team in the early-mid 1990s, but let's face it, even with Montana we were probably still a tier below the 49ers and Cowboys as an overall team. That two-year stretch at the end of Montana's career was a hell of a time to be another team trying to win a Super Bowl - one all-time great team in the middle of its prime and another all-time great team that was still very much alive. I don't think that's ever happened before.

The most telling factor for me is what happened to the Chiefs before and after Montana. They were a 10-win football team for several years before he got there, and they won 13 games a couple of times right after he left. That tells me they were a well put-together football team in general (much like the Steelers of the time were) but Montana didn't move the needle enough. So probably about the same would've happened here. I think.

[tube517]

The Chiefs never made back to the AFC Championship game after Montana

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[st33lersguy]

1993, the Chiefs finished 11-5 and earned the no. 3 seed. In the playoff game, he scored 27 against Pittsburgh, and 28 at Houston before the loss to Buffalo. The defenses in those games both surrendered at least 20 points. 1995 and 1997, they finished 13-3 and had home field advantage. They lost both times, scoring a COMBINED 17 points including against an inferior 9-7 team in 1995 (granted the kicker missed 3 field goals). The defenses in those two contests, gave up a combined 24 points. Montana was very valuable to the Chiefs