Haley: Dwyer needs to prove himself as a starter

[stillers4me]

Offensive coordinator Todd Haley suggests fumbles weren’t the only reason Jonathan Dwyer couldn’t secure the starting running back’s job until now. When he carries a couple of plays in a row, Dwyer sometimes signals for a replacement.

“Jonathan’s got to show he can take the bulk of the carries without needing a break or taking a few plays off on the sideline,” ............


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[Steeldude]

Offensive coordinator Todd Haley suggests fumbles weren’t the only reason Jonathan Dwyer couldn’t secure the starting running back’s job until now. When he carries a couple of plays in a row, Dwyer sometimes signals for a replacement.

“Jonathan’s got to show he can take the bulk of the carries without needing a break or taking a few plays off on the sideline,” ............


Read more: http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/3040017-85/steelers-game-butler-rice-woodley-hampton-ravens-ankle-baltimore-carries#ixzz2DhtZYB00

So he does have poor conditioning after all. Again, I believe the Steelers need a new conditioning coach.

[GBMelBlount]

So he does have poor conditioning after all. Again, I believe the Steelers need a new conditioning coach.

I cannot stand lazy athletes or coaches that tolerate it.

We have too many of both it appears.

[Dwinsgames]

Dwyers issue is not conditioning during the season , his issue has been coming into camp over weight and it is well documented , however this year he came to camp in his best shape since becoming a Steeler ...


PITTSBURGH -- It was the last time the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) met before heading off for their summer break. Coach Mike Tomlin (http://www.nfl.com/player/miketomlin/2527518/profile) called his charges together, dispensed his usual last thoughts and then slapped Jonathan Dwyer (http://www.nfl.com/player/jonathandwyer/497174/profile)'s picture up on the big screen in the meeting room. Calling out the about-to-be third-year running back's name, with every one of the Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) players listening, Tomlin said this: show up to training camp overweight and you're fired."That's Coach Tomlin," receiver Jerricho Cotchery (http://www.nfl.com/player/jerrichocotchery/2506004/profile) said, with a head shake and chuckle both.
"It was good how he did it," running back Isaac Redman (http://www.nfl.com/player/isaacredman/2507591/profile) said.
"It worked," Dwyer said.


as Paul Harvey always said ... and for the rest of the Story

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000088632/article/jonathan-dwyer-validating-pittsburgh-steelers-faith-in-him

[zulater]

All teams have similiar issues. Not all athletes are self motivated, and you can only do so much to motivate them. If you cut every guy who didn't perfectly adhere to an ideal fitness program you'd become a feeder team for talent for the rest of the league.

[Dwinsgames]

All teams have similiar issues. Not all athletes are self motivated, and you can only do so much to motivate them. If you cut every guy who didn't perfectly adhere to an ideal fitness program you'd become a feeder team for talent for the rest of the league.


Hampton would have been gone in the Cowher administration

[pepsyman1]

Hampton would have been gone in the Cowher administration

Big Snack did the same thing under Cowher and had Kendrell Bell run some of his sprints.

[steeldawg]

Like i said hes never proven he could be the guy for an entire season, cant wait wait for everyone to jump in and tell me how stupid i am and how im deflecting everything.

[Steeldude]

Like i said hes never proven he could be the guy for an entire season, cant wait wait for everyone to jump in and tell me how stupid i am and how im deflecting everything.

He was just named the starter.

Here is an example. How does a rookie draft pick prove he can be the guy for entire season before he actually plays an entire season? Where is Mendenhall? He has played 5 season, but has only played the entire season in 2 of them.


cant wait wait for everyone to jump in and tell me how stupid i am and how im deflecting everything

You say it's not Wallace's job to fight to the ball. You say it's not his game to jump. You say fundamentals aren't important. As for deflecting, you dodge questions and/or attempt to change the topic being discussed. No one minds that you have a differing opinion, but you never back it with anything logical. For example, your entire argument for giving Wallace a ton of money is to say he is fast and he put up stats because he was targeted so many times.

[steeldawg]

He was just named the starter.

Here is an example. How does a rookie draft pick prove he can be the guy for entire season before he actually plays an entire season? Where is Mendenhall? He has played 5 season, but has only played the entire season in 2 of them.



You say it's not Wallace's job to fight to the ball. You say it's not his game to jump. You say fundamentals aren't important. As for deflecting, you dodge questions and/or attempt to change the topic being discussed. No one minds that you have a differing opinion, but you never back it with anything logical. For example, your entire argument for giving Wallace a ton of money is to say he is fast and he put up stats because he was targeted so many times.

What does dwyer having to prove himself as a starter have to do with mendenhall? I didnt say it wasnt in his game to jump, i said he doesnt out jump dbs hes not a jump ball receiver, My opinions are always backed up with logic you just dont agree with them so you call them illogical. You put words in my mouth and then argue against them. And just a note brown was targeted more than wallace last season so can we attribute all of his numbers to targets???

[Craic]

Wallace again? What this thread has turned into:

http://gifs.gifbin.com/480503758.gif

(Alright Count Steelers - let's see if it works (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/15668-Steelers%E2%80%99-Pouncey-could-switch-from-center-to-guard?p=337928&viewfull=1#post337928)).

[Dwinsgames]

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[steeldawg]

Wallace again? What this thread has turned into:

http://gifs.gifbin.com/480503758.gif

(Alright Count Steelers - let's see if it works (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/15668-Steelers%E2%80%99-Pouncey-could-switch-from-center-to-guard?p=337928&viewfull=1#post337928)).

Im really not trying too guys but hes chases me in every thread and brings up wallace.

[Craic]

Im really not trying too guys but hes chases me in every thread and brings up wallace.

It's easy, honestly. Just type, "wrong thread," and keep going.

[steeldawg]

It's easy, honestly. Just type, "wrong thread," and keep going.

will do, my bad not trying to hijack the thread my initial comment was in regards to dwyer.

[Steeldude]

Im really not trying too guys but hes chases me in every thread and brings up wallace.

I was in this thread before you. So how exactly did I chase you here? You made a comment on why people accuse you of deflecting and being stupid(your words, not mine). I explained why.


What does dwyer having to prove himself as a starter have to do with mendenhall

Mendenhall was the starter, right? What did he do to prove that he could play an entire season? He was given the chance to play an entire season, right? Doesn't Dwyer deserve the same?


I didnt say it wasnt in his game to jump

You said, "Wallace is not going to out jump dbs for the ball that is not his game". How is trying to out-jump DBs not part of a NFL WR's game? Then you are saying he can jump, but refuses to do it to make a play.


My opinions are always backed up with logic

You want to hand over $10,000,000 to a WR who has a good 40 time and deliberately doesn't try in games. How is that logical?


And just a note brown was targeted more than wallace last season

Did his stats go up as a result? Yes or no?


Jesus man the guy the is getting open by 10 yards why should he have to fight for the ball?

Because that's what he is paid to do. How do you not know that? Could you imagine how bad the Steelers would be if everyone decided not to try like Wallace?

[steeldawg]

I was in this thread before you. So how exactly did I chase you here? You made a comment on why people accuse you of deflecting and being stupid(your words, not mine). I explained why.



Mendenhall was the starter, right? What did he do to prove that he could play an entire season? He was given the chance to play an entire season, right? Doesn't Dwyer deserve the same?



You said, "Wallace is not going to out jump dbs for the ball that is not his game". How is trying to out-jump DBs not part of a NFL WR's game? Then you are saying he can jump, but refuses to do it to make a play.



You want to hand over $10,000,000 to a WR who has a good 40 time and deliberately doesn't try in games. How is that logical?



Did his stats go up as a result? Yes or no?



Because that's what he is paid to do. How do you not know that? Could you imagine how bad the Steelers would be if everyone decided not to try like Wallace?

What did he do to prove that he could be a good back for an entire season? He was a good back for 2 full seasons and the third he missed the final game. The point is Mendy has proven he can be a solid back for a full season, jonathan dwyer has not, hes never had to carry the load.

[Dwinsgames]

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why does every thread have to turn into a Wallace thread ?????

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[Count Steeler]

Wallace again? What this thread has turned into:

http://gifs.gifbin.com/480503758.gif

(Alright Count Steelers - let's see if it works (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/15668-Steelers%E2%80%99-Pouncey-could-switch-from-center-to-guard?p=337928&viewfull=1#post337928)).

So in the grand scheme of things, Dwyer has played well whenever given the opportunity, especially this season. However, let's not quote stats, because stats lie. So how does one go about choosing who should start?

Perhaps the coaching staff just tossed 3 names into a hat and whichever came out first was the starter. That just proves the ineptness of our coaching staff, Tomlin should be fired, Haley hasn't transformed this offense because Ben got injured anyway, LeBeau is WAY past his prime and should hang up his clipboard.

The Steelers are a bad organization, being run by a meddling owner, Art Rooney Jr. You know what, it IS time to support the Jag Rag.

Here we go Jaguars, here we go!

[Steeldude]

What did he do to prove that he could be a good back for an entire season? He was a good back for 2 full seasons and the third he missed the final game. The point is Mendy has proven he can be a solid back for a full season, jonathan dwyer has not, hes never had to carry the load.

What did Mendenhall prove before he played an entire season? He didn't even make it through the first season. He's only played 2 full seasons


The point is Mendy has proven he can be a solid back for a full season

That's after he was given a whole season to prove it. Doesn't Dwyer deserve the same? Why the double-standards?


hes never had to carry the load

He hasn't been given the chance.

[tube517]

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why does every thread have to turn into a Wallace thread ?????

http://draftsteel.com/ff/images/smilies/ontopic.gif

Because a certain OC isn't here anymore. :chuckle:

[GBMelBlount]

Dwyers issue is not conditioning during the season , his issue has been coming into camp over weight and it is well documented , however this year he came to camp in his best shape since becoming a Steeler ...

Thanks for posting that D.

as Paul Harvey always said ... and for the rest of the Story

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000088632/article/jonathan-dwyer-validating-pittsburgh-steelers-faith-in-him

Good point, I thought I remembered hearing about Dwyer coming into camp more fit this year.

But still, coming into camp over weight in the past shows their is an underlying issue with laziness.

In fact, if i am not mistaken, the primary reason he lasted 6 rounds in the draft was due to serious concerns over his weight and conditioning. That is 32 teams that passed on him 5 times.

I remember how easy it was to whip your body back in shape in a month or two in your early 20's but I would think someone who wants to be the number one back....and wasn't....would be working at it 365....hard.

Personally I think the sky is the limit for Dwyer if he works hard and noone is pulling for him more than I am....

[steeldawg]

What did Mendenhall prove before he played an entire season? He didn't even make it through the first season. He's only played 2 full seasons



That's after he was given a whole season to prove it. Doesn't Dwyer deserve the same? Why the double-standards?



He hasn't been given the chance.

What double standard all i said was dwyer has not proven he could carry the load for an entire season. Dwyer has been part of a running back by commitee backfield this season, hes only carried the ball 98 times , hes been the starter for 2 games, and hes missed 3 games. Mendy got hurt his first season yes but then played 2 full seasons and the third he hurt his achillies in the last game which the recovery for that injury has stretched into this year. An achillies injury is not a durability injury that can happen to any athelete at any time.

[Seven]

I didnt say it wasnt in his game to jump


Wallace is not going to out jump dbs for the ball that is not his game

:bananalama:

[steeldawg]

:bananalama:

Does anyone on this site the difference between not jumping at all and not being a jump ball receiver, and just you know out jumping dbs is not antonio browns game or emmanuel sanders game. If we wanted jump ball recievers we wouldnt of drafted mike wallace antoniobrown or emmanuel sanders. Again you are trying to twist what i said.

[Seven]

Does anyone on this site the difference between not jumping at all and not being a jump ball receiver, and just you know out jumping dbs is not antonio browns game or emmanuel sanders game. If we wanted jump ball recievers we wouldnt of drafted mike wallace antoniobrown or emmanuel sanders. Again you are trying to twist what i said.

Trying to twist what you said? How the fuck? I didn't even type anything. All I did was quote you twice. You contradict yourself with nearly every post you make then change the subject when you're proven wrong, which you always are.


I didnt say it wasnt in his game to jump


Wallace is not going to out jump dbs for the ball that is not his game

[steeldawg]

Trying to twist what you said? How the fuck? I didn't even type anything. All I did was quote you twice. You contradict yourself with nearly every post you make then change the subject when you're proven wrong, which you always are.

The two dont even contradict eactother!!!!!!

[Seven]

The two dont even contradict eactother!!!!!!

How not?


I didnt say it wasnt in his game to jump


Wallace is not going to out jump dbs for the ball that is not his game

[steeldawg]

How not?

Because a receivers whos game is not jumping over dbs to catch passes is different from a receiver who does not jump. Again its not his game its not browns game its not sanders game, its not like we get into the redzone and we say hey lets through it up to brown or wallace they will out jump everyone and catch it.

[Seven]

Because a receivers whos game is not jumping over dbs to catch passes is different from a receiver who does not jump. Again its not his game its not browns game its not sanders game, its not like we get into the redzone and we say hey lets through it up to brown or wallace they will out jump everyone and catch it.

Profound.


I didnt say it wasnt in his game to jump


Wallace is not going to out jump dbs for the ball that is not his game

[steeldawg]

Profound.

Again you ignore the answer you asked for. Anyways this is a dwyer thread

[Seven]

Again you ignore the answer you asked for. Anyways this is a dwyer thread

What answer? I asked you is how is this not contradiction


I didnt say it wasnt in his game to jump


Wallace is not going to out jump dbs for the ball that is not his game

and instead you went off on some tangent about Brown and Sanders in the redzone. Please, tell me how these posts don't contradict one another. I would LOVE to hear. Yeah, it is a Dwyer thread but that doesn't mean you get to weasel your way out of this.

[steeldawg]

What answer? I asked you is how is this not contradiction





and instead you went off on some tangent about Brown and Sanders in the redzone. Please, tell me how these posts don't contradict one another. I would LOVE to hear. Yeah, it is a Dwyer thread but that doesn't mean you get to weasel your way out of this.

I JUST GAVE YOU THE ANSWER ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!

[Seven]

I JUST GAVE YOU THE ANSWER ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!


I didnt say it wasnt in his game to jump


Wallace is not going to out jump dbs for the ball that is not his game

So, in your first post you said "It's not Wallace's game to jump for the ball", and in your second post you claimed "I never said it wasn't in his game". Please, tell me what I'm missing. Which is it? You can't get away with just saying whatever the hell you want and expect it to fly.

[steeldawg]

So, in your first post you said "It's not Wallace's game to jump for the ball", and in your second post you claimed "I never said it wasn't in his game". Please, tell me what I'm missing. Which is it? You can't get away with just saying whatever the hell you want an expecting it to fly.

No thats not what my post says, you reposted it did you even read it??? It says hes not going to out jump dbs for the ball thats not his game. The is very different from saying jumping is not in wallaces game. Again you are twisting the words, Its very simple, part of some receivers game is they can out jump dbs for the ball either due to size or great leaping ability wallace is not one of those guys they dont throw him jump balls (on purpose) and they never will. You know exactly what your missing because you now have changed what i originally said.

[Seven]

No thats not what my post says, you reposted it did you even read it??? It says hes not going to out jump dbs for the ball thats not his game. The is very different from saying jumping is not in wallaces game. Again you are twisting the words, Its very simple, part of some receivers game is they can out jump dbs for the ball either due to size or great leaping ability wallace is not one of those guys they dont throw him jump balls (on purpose) and they never will. You know exactly what your missing because you now have changed what i originally said.

I didn't change anything. You can't supply a genuine answer as per usual.


I didnt say it wasnt in his game to jump


Wallace is not going to out jump dbs for the ball that is not his game

If it's not his game, how is it "in" his game. You're trying to weasel your way out.

[steeldawg]

So, in your first post you said "It's not Wallace's game to jump for the ball", and in your second post you claimed "I never said it wasn't in his game". Please, tell me what I'm missing. Which is it? You can't get away with just saying whatever the hell you want and expect it to fly.

This is what you just posted and said my first post says " It's not in wallaces game to jump" quoting me! now read my quote and tell me you didnt change it. That is not what it says, and you know it!

[Seven]

This is what you just posted and said my first post says " It's not in wallaces game to jump" quoting me! now read my quote and tell me you didnt change it. That is not what it says, and you know it!

You're a fucking moron. Deflecting at me because you don't know how to answer. I simply wrote it out in my post because I thought it might make it easier for you to understand.


I didnt say it wasnt in his game to jump


Wallace is not going to out jump dbs for the ball that is not his game

What is the difference?

[steeldawg]

You're a fucking moron. Deflecting at me because you don't know how to answer.

I answered your question twice already, now your acting crazy cause i just pointed it out how you tried to twist things your busted pal deal with it. WINNING!!! :rofl2:

[Seven]

I answered your question twice already, now your acting crazy cause i just pointed it out how you tried to twist things your busted pal deal with it. WINNING!!! :rofl2:

Yeah... I'm acting crazy. Every one on this board knows you're a joke. I called you out and you couldn't give me a real answer so now you claim I tried to "change" the quote when all I was trying to do was simplify things for you. Grow up and learn to admit when you're wrong instead of acting like a baby and making up bullshit excuses.

[steeldawg]

Yeah... I'm acting crazy. Every one on this board knows you're a joke. I called you out and you couldn't give me a real answer so now you claim I tried to "change" the quote when all I was trying to do was simplify things for you.

Lol you tried to simplify my quote that was one sentence long, no what you did was took out "out jumping dbs for the ball" and turned it into "jump for the ball" two very different things. Its very simple wallace is not a jump ball receiver its not his game its not why we drafted him its ridiculous to criticize him for not being one.

[Seven]

Lol you tried to simplify my quote that was one sentence long, no what you did was took out "out jumping dbs for the ball" and turned it into "jump for the ball" two very different things. Its very simple wallace is not a jump ball receiver its not his game its not why we drafted him its ridiculous to criticize him for not being one.

Yes, because I have no faith that you're intelligent enough to understand what I'm asking based on the posts you make.


I didnt say it wasnt in his game to jump


Wallace is not going to out jump dbs for the ball that is not his game

Explain to me what the difference is between it not being Wallace's "game", and not being "in" his game. Don't say anything about Brown, Sanders, the redzone, me, quotes... Just explain that for me. Simple.

[steeldawg]

Yes, because I have no faith that you're intelligent enough to understand what I'm asking based on the posts you make.





Explain to me what the difference is between it not being Wallace's "game", and not being "in" his game. Don't say anything about Brown, Sanders, the redzone, me, quotes... Just explain that for me. Simple.

What?? Out jumping dbs is not his game, its not. Jumping is in his game, out jumping dbs and not jumping at all are 2 different things why is this so hard to understand. Out jumping a db is not his game its not what hes good at its not how the steelers or any other nfl team would want to use him. By saying jumping is not in his game your implying he cant jump, by saying out jumping dbs for the is not in is his game means he cant at all, Wallace can jump he has a 40" vertical but his game is not jumping over dbs his game is beating people with speed just like our entire receiving corp.

[Seven]

What?? Out jumping dbs is not his game, its not. Jumping is in his game, out jumping dbs and not jumping at all are 2 different things why is this so hard to understand. Out jumping a db is not his game its not what hes good at its not how the steelers or any other nfl team would want to use him. By saying jumping is not in his game your implying he cant jump, by saying out jumping dbs for the is not in is his game means he cant at all, Wallace can jump he has a 40" vertical but his game is not jumping over dbs his game is beating people with speed just like our entire receiving corp.

And finally you answer the question. Not well, and your point is totally insignificant, but at least you finally understood. Good job.

[steeldawg]

And finally you answer the question. Not well, and your point is totally insignificant, but at least you finally understood. Good job.

Whatever man i gave you the same answer like 3 times 3 different ways but i understand you need your hand held its ok.

[Dwinsgames]

You're a fucking moron. Deflecting at me because you don't know how to answer. I simply wrote it out in my post because I thought it might make it easier for you to understand.





What is the difference?


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[Steeldude]

Whatever man i gave you the same answer like 3 times 3 different ways but i understand you need your hand held its ok.

Whether the pass is accurate or not, shouldn't all NFL WRs at least try to out jump DBs for the ball? You say Wallace has a 40" vertical. So why not use it to his advantage? If I am going to pay a WR $10,000,000 a season I expect him to fight for all passes, not watch the DBs take them away.

[X-Terminator]

Can we save the Wallace arguments for the Wallace thread, please? This has gone on long enough in this thread.

[steeldawg]

Can we save the Wallace arguments for the Wallace thread, please? This has gone on long enough in this thread.

Im sorry again i will not address either of them anymore its a waste of my time.