Election Night 2012...

[stillers4me]

Obama murals and Black Panthers in Philly, death threats, and voter intimidation....just another election in the good ole U S of A!
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Philly poll workers partially cover Obama mural after court order, leaving logo and quote in view

Workers at a Philadelphia polling place, after being ordered by a judge to cover up a mural of President Obama "in its entirety," slapped up a few pieces of paper that only partially covered his image -- while leaving the Obama campaign logo and a quote from the current president in full view for voters..........


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/judge-issuing-order-to-reinstate-booted-philadelphia-election-officials/#ixzz2BU5ZVDpm

[stillers4me]

Or you can watch the Steelers/Giants @ 8 pm on NFL network. :thumbsup:

[GoSlash27]

My easy recipe for avoiding wasting the night:
If Romney doesn't win Virginia early, save yourself the time and disappointment, 'cuz Obama's gonna win. Maybe watch the Michigan/ Minnesota game...

*edit*
"Steelers vs. Giants on NFL"
^ Even better! :clap2:

[stillers4me]

Bob Dylan predicts a landslide for Obama.

[bayz101]

Too bad he didn't predict that he'd make 100,000 albums mustering up two or three hit singles. :chuckle:

[GoSlash27]

Bob Dylan predicts a landslide for Obama.

Bob Dylan, the world-renowned prognosticator. :toofunny:
What does Miss Cleo have to say?

[stillers4me]

The giant mural of Obama reminds me of the ones for Saddam, Mao, and Kim Jong Mentally Ill.

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One of our patients today said he'd rather shower at Penn State than vote for Obama.

Too soon???

[GoSlash27]

Which reminds me...
Every cycle the media drags out some complete nonsense predictor, like a trained chimp with a dartboard who has correctly predicted 3 of the last 4 elections, etc...
Who is *THAT* for?? Who's watching the news thinking "If only there was some kind of psychic livestock out there who could tell me how it all ends..."?

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The giant mural of Obama reminds me of the ones for Saddam, Mao, and Kim Jong Mentally Ill.

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One of our patients today said he'd rather shower at Penn State than vote for Obama.

Too soon???

Nah. "She", you say? In that case, she's completely safe.
*EDIT*
Misread that. So he's a "he"? Well... if he's old enough to vote, he's safe too.

[stillers4me]

The Redskins lost at home on Sunday.

Obama's toast.

[GoSlash27]

The Redskins lost at home on Sunday.

Obama's toast.

Now, you *STOP THAT!* Just stop it right now! We'll have none of that shenanigans tonight. :p

[stillers4me]

Breaking News‏@BreakingNewsNBC News projects Romney to win Indiana and Kentucky; Obama to take Vermont
Sean Hannity‏@seanhannityFoxNews predicts Romney to win Kentucky and Indiana (a state Obama won in 2008) #Election2012 (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23Election2012&src=hash)


Already?

[ALLD]

It will be nice to flip to MSNBC and watch the lesbians and homersexuals turn green when Romney wins!

[GoSlash27]

Breaking News‏@BreakingNewsNBC News projects Romney to win Indiana and Kentucky; Obama to take Vermont
Sean Hannity‏@seanhannityFoxNews predicts Romney to win Kentucky and Indiana (a state Obama won in 2008) #Election2012 (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23Election2012&src=hash)
Already?

Sure. They already have the exit polling and those States were never in question.
Expect them to call DC VT NY HI DE RI MA MD IL CA CT NJ WA and ME for Obama and
UT ID WY AR OK TN AK AL NE ND TX KS KY WV LA MS IN GA and SD for Romney the moment the polls close.

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A handy link for the Virginia results:
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/president/virginia/

[stillers4me]

Josh Peterson‏@jdpetersonCNN is calling W. Virginia for Romney. 24-3 Romney.

Fox News‏@FoxNews
Fox News projects #Romney (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23Romney&src=hash) winning West Virginia http://fxn.ws/Svj9UI (http://t.co/JinmRKTv)via @foxnewspolitics (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foxnewspolitics) #election2012 (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23election2012&src=hash)

Romney 24 Obama 3

[bayz101]

I'm seeing South Carolina in red on both CNN and FOX.

[stillers4me]

Fox News‏@FoxNewsFox News projects #Romney (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23Romney&src=hash) winning South Carolina http://fxn.ws/Svj9UI (http://t.co/JinmRKTv)via @foxnewspolitics (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foxnewspolitics) #election2012 (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23election2012&src=hash)

Romney 33 Obama 3

[bayz101]

Close races in Virginia and Ohio, with Romney leading both in the early updates.

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Extremely close in Flo-rida.

[GoSlash27]

Close races in Virginia and Ohio, with Romney leading both in the early updates.

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Extremely close in Flo-rida.

Not good news for Romney. That'd mean the polls are either correct or they've *over*estimated Romney.
If Romney doesn't win Florida, hang it up.

[stillers4me]

FOX News Radio‏@foxnewsradioFOX News projects: #Romney (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23Romney&src=hash) wins #GA (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23GA&src=hash) (16 electoral votes). Current FOX projections: #Romney (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23Romney&src=hash) 49, #Obama (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23Obama&src=hash) 3.

[bayz101]

Not good news for Romney. That'd mean the polls are either correct or they've *over*estimated Romney.
If Romney doesn't win Florida, hang it up.

First Virginia, now Florida. What if he wins both? Will he need to win Cali and New York, and he doesn't, "Hang it up"? As far as i'm concerned if he wins Ohio and Virginia, he's in damn good shape. Go Ohio!

[stillers4me]

Barack ObamaJoe BidenNo states called yet.


RI (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-rhode-island-state-race)
CT (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-connecticut-state-race)
MA (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-massachusetts-state-race)
DE (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-delaware-state-race)
MD (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-maryland-state-race)
DC (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-district-of-columbia-state-race)
NJ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-new-jersey-state-race)
IL (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-illinois-state-race)
VT (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-vermont-state-race)
ME (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-maine-state-race)


Mitt RomneyPaul RyanNo states called yet.


MS (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-mississippi-state-race)
AL (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-alabama-state-race)
SC (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-south-carolina-state-race)
GA (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-georgia-state-race)
OK (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-oklahoma-state-race)
IN (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-indiana-state-race)
WV (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-west-virginia-state-race)
KY (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-kentucky-state-race)



Obama 79 Romney 71

[GoSlash27]

New Hampshire exit polling shows Obama over Romney by 2. The polls leading up to this had Obama by 3. Not good news for Mitt.

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First Virginia, now Florida. What if he wins both? Will he need to win Cali and New York, and he doesn't, "Hang it up"? As far as i'm concerned if he wins Ohio and Virginia, he's in damn good shape. Go Ohio!

Hey, it's your evening. Spend it however you want. *shrug*

I've been going all this time on what the polls say. The only question is whether the polls were accurate. So far, it appears so.
If you're hoping for a late miracle, that's your business, but Romney has absolutely no realistic path if he can't win Florida. He was *supposed* to win those 29EV and if he doesn't, he has to make it up from States where he was polling worse.

[bayz101]

New Hampshire exit polling shows Obama over Romney by 2. The polls leading up to this had Obama by 3. Not good news for Mitt.

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Hey, it's your evening. Spend it however you want. *shrug*

I've been going all this time on what the polls say. The only question is whether the polls were accurate. So far, it appears so.
If you're hoping for a late miracle, that's your business, but Romney has absolutely no realistic path if he can't win Florida. He was *supposed* to win those 29EV and if he doesn't, he has to make it up from States where he was polling worse.

As a Ron Paul supporter, it pains me to vote for Romney. But I really DO believe he has a chance to win this thing, and I DO believe he's an upgrade over Obama. I'm still voting for the "Lesser of two evils" but I honestly feel that another four years for Obama WILL fuck this country, contrary to the popular opinion. Hell, all signs would have pointed to me voting Johnson this election, but I want my vote to go towards kicking Obama out of the White House.

[stillers4me]

Fox News‏@FoxNewsFox News projects #Romney (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23Romney&src=hash) winning Tennessee, with next polls to close at 8:30 pm ET http://fxn.ws/Svj9UI (http://t.co/JinmRKTv)via @foxnewspolitics (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foxnewspolitics)

Romney 82 Obama 79

[GoSlash27]

Blecch. Bernie Sanders (Communist) is goin' to the Senate...

[stillers4me]

I feel like we playing in the superbowl and both teams keep making fieldgoals.

[GBMelBlount]

As a Ron Paul supporter, it pains me to vote for Romney. But I really DO believe he has a chance to win this thing, and I DO believe he's an upgrade over Obama. I'm still voting for the "Lesser of two evils" but I honestly feel that another four years for Obama WILL fuck this country, contrary to the popular opinion. Hell, all signs would have pointed to me voting Johnson this election, but I want my vote to go towards kicking Obama out of the White House.

You nailed it Bayz. You and I probably share 95% of the same views and both agree that NOTHING could be worse than 4 more years of Obama.

If Johnson had a legitimate shot I would have little hesitation voting for him....except that his views are so far right of this left leaning country that he would have a hard time getting anything done without compromising....which would have his constituency burning down villages and paulbot heads asplodin. A conundrum for sure.

YOU are definitely "The Voice of Reason."

[GoSlash27]

As a Ron Paul supporter, it pains me to vote for Romney. But I really DO believe he has a chance to win this thing, and I DO believe he's an upgrade over Obama. I'm still voting for the "Lesser of two evils" but I honestly feel that another four years for Obama WILL fuck this country, contrary to the popular opinion. Hell, all signs would have pointed to me voting Johnson this election, but I want my vote to go towards kicking Obama out of the White House.

Hey, it's all good. I've never told anyone else who to vote for or why. That's your business. :)

I'm just following how it's unfolding and trying to save you a late night of heartache. I'm more than happy to eat crow if that's how it turns out. Obama or Romney... makes me no difference.

[bayz101]

You nailed it Bayz. You and I probably share 95% of the same views and both agree that NOTHING could be worse than 4 more years of Obama.

YOU are definitely "The Voice of Reason."

Thanks, GB. That being said, however, i'm a little disappointed in the early Ohio numbers, and optimistic with the Florida tallies. Virginia is looking like a lock and it's nice to see Indiana in red, but I feel it's going to be a CLOSE race all the way to the end. I wouldn't consider myself a Republican, and I wouldn't call myself a Democrat, but I DO believe Romney needs to win this election. If he doesn't, it'll be the last one that matters, if there IS another one.

[GoSlash27]

I feel like we playing in the superbowl and both teams keep making fieldgoals.

Check my earlier post about "given" States. Don't let the media sucker you in with their hype about their projections about EVs where everybody already expects them. Places like DC and Mississippi aren't a surprise and aren't worth getting worked up over.

What matters is what the polls said in the swing States and how accurate (or not) they've proven to be.

[stillers4me]

Fox News‏@FoxNewsFox News projects #Romney (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23Romney&src=hash) winning Arkansas, with next polls to close at 9 pm ET http://fxn.ws/Svj9UI (http://t.co/JinmRKTv)via @foxnewspolitics (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foxnewspolitics) #election2012 (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/search?q=%23election2012&src=hash)

Romney 88 Obama 79

[Polamalu Princess]

Too early to cal, but I do feel that Romney may pull this off.

[GoSlash27]

Florida is really, *really* bad news for Romney. The rural precincts always report in first and they're always Republican. Obama should *not* be leading right now.

[GoSlash27]

CNN just called Michigan for Obama. This isn't a surprise to anyone except those who had blinded themselves with the RCP/ Rasmussen kool-aid.

[bayz101]

Romney 154, Obama 123. A Florida win for Romney may win the election, and right now, it's a dead-heat with an Est. 70+ percent reporting. I'm not on the "Democratic votes come last" Florida band-wagon, either. This election will be insanely close.

[GoSlash27]

Romney 154, Obama 123. A Florida win for Romney may win the election, and right now, it's a dead-heat with an Est. 70+ percent reporting. I'm not on the "Democratic votes come last" Florida band-wagon, either. This election will be insanely close.

Not so much. Florida isn't a tipping point state, it's a must-win for Romney. The polling (which predicts Obama with about 300EV) has Romney winning Florida by 2%. If he matches that, he will lose. He's not even matching it right now, and he should be winning.

*edit* my prediction of 294 Obama assumed that Romney would win Florida.

[ALLD]

Florida will go for Romney. It's the panhandle that is R and reports last because it is partially in the central time zone.

What I do not understand is how the people from my home state of Pennsylvania rolled over for Obama? I may have to tell people in the future I was born in Florida.

It's over. Four more years of nonsense. The U.S. is done as the lone Super Power.

[GoSlash27]

It's over. Four more years of nonsense. The U.S. is done as the lone Super Power.
:hug:
Not yet. It's still too early to call it. I'll let you know when it's time.

[fansince'76]

:hug:
Not yet. It's still too early to call it. I'll let you know when it's time.

Not really. Hopey's pretty much got Ohio, PA, and you KNOW he has NY and CA in the bag already (counting the salad heads' votes is a mere formality). That's well over 100 EV right there.

[st33lersguy]

Wisconsin goes blue. If Ohio, Virginia or Florida go Blue, this country is done

[bayz101]

Romney slowly gaining in Ohio, and leading slightly in Florida with the Panhandle results coming at the end. Florida is his, Ohio will be close.

[stillers4me]

What the fuck is wrong with people?

How bad do you have to screw up a country to get your ass kicked out of office?

[bayz101]

Wisconsin goes blue. If Ohio, Virginia or Florida go Blue, this country is done

Florida and Virginia should be in Romney's hands, but Ohio is going to close. Too close.

[fansince'76]

What the fuck is wrong with people?

How bad do you have to screw up a country to get your ass kicked out of office?

When you have a sympathetic press that parrots "bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-BUSH!" for four solid years, and gives you the kids glove treatment at the same time, the sky's the limit.

[bayz101]

We all know the west coast is Obama, but even with that in mind, this will still come down to the wire. A lot happening in the middle right now. I still believe Romney can pull it off.

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Still a couple major states undecided at the moment, but Romney needs to win much of the middle part of the country before it gets to the West Coast. Obama will win that part of the country, and I expect no surprises.

[ALLD]

It's over. The U.S. dollar is toast. Watch for the big stock market sell off tomorrow. I feel especially bad for Israel who is now isolated.

How can you not want to create jobs and be energy independent? How? somebody please explain why people choose to be stupid and poor?

[The Patriot]

Gary Johnson is at 0.5%. 1/200 people. Damn.

[XxKnightxX]

PA projected to Obama

[GoSlash27]

" I'm not on the "Democratic votes come last" Florida band-wagon, either."

Notice how Virginia has tightened up lately?
That's how it works. The rural precincts have an easier time reporting in than the urban ones. That's just how it goes.

PA just got called for Obama.

[bayz101]

" I'm not on the "Democratic votes come last" Florida band-wagon, either."

Notice how Virginia has tightened up lately?
That's how it works. The rural precincts have an easier time reporting in than the urban ones. That's just how it goes.

PA just got called for Obama.

The panhandle votes get in at the very end, and that will swing the state in Romney's favor. The Ohio race has tightened up considerably, too.

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Battleground states are all very close, obviously.

[ALLD]

Look at the map. If PA and WI go for Obama, then naturally OH will. That's how it goes, it's not guessing and it's not rocket science. Romney is already practicing his concession speech.

[GoSlash27]

NH just officially went to Obama.
I will now officially call this race for Obama in the 300EV range. Romney may as well give his concession speech.

My condolences to those of you who were pulling for Mitt. When you're not mad anymore, I'll be happy to show you how I knew this so far out.
Good night, folks, and here's to hoping for a better result 4 years from tonight! :drink:

[bayz101]

NH just officially went to Obama.
I will now officially call this race for Obama in the 300EV range. Romney may as well give his concession speech.

My condolences to those of you who were pulling for Mitt. When you're not mad anymore, I'll be happy to show you how I knew this so far out.
Good night, folks, and here's to hoping for a better result 4 years from tonight! :drink:

If Obama wins, there won't be a better result in four years. Maybe not even a country.

[X-Terminator]

I think if anything, this election cycle has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the majority of Americans are blind, deaf and dumb.

I cast my vote for Gary Johnson tonight, and I don't feel one iota of regret for doing so. I wasn't going to sit by and have my vote completely wasted by not voting for anyone. Obama winning re-election was a foregone conclusion, and it's going to be the death knell for this once great nation. There will be so much shit to clean up by 2016 that I may be dead before it gets fixed...and I'm 38.

[Shoes]

What the fuck is wrong with people?

How bad do you have to screw up a country to get your ass kicked out of office?


I've been wondering about that for the last four years.

[steelpride12]

It's a shame Gary Johnson did not reach anywhere near the 5% he was expecting. Obviously he would not win tonight, but some recognition would have helped. This is just pure ugly. I'll stand by my choice of Mr. Johnson and hope to see him again in 2016, but goodbye Country and I hope you all enjoy troops still oversea's....get used to it.

[bayz101]

Gary Johnson is probably the only candidate that truly has what it takes to run this country, and Romney is the only candidate who has the chance to beat out the ONE candidate who will surely fuck this country to the tune of 20+ trillion dollars, no constitutional rights and no future for our children and our children's children. Still hope left, but unless these middle states start turning red, i'm not nearly as optimistic.

[The Patriot]

I'm hearing that 30% of eligible voters came out to vote. If that's true then we've reached a new level of voter apathy.

[fansince'76]

I'm hearing that 30% of eligible voters came out to vote. If that's true then we've reached a new level of voter apathy.

Sad. I consider it a duty of mine to vote.

[Count Steeler]

I'm hearing that 30% of eligible voters came out to vote. If that's true then we've reached a new level of voter apathy.

And that partially explains the quality, or lack of quality, of the candidates. The next election should be covered by a reality type show "On the Campaign Trail" and perhaps 50% of Americans will bother to vote. Truly pathetic if only 30% turned out.

[GBMelBlount]

Gary Johnson is probably the only candidate that truly has what it takes to run this country, and Romney is the only candidate who has the chance to beat out the ONE candidate who will surely fuck this country to the tune of 20+ trillion dollars, no constitutional rights and no future for our children and our children's children. Still hope left, but unless these middle states start turning red, i'm not nearly as optimistic.

Really, why? Sure, I agree he makes sense in the classroom.

I am just curious because if he really could make a difference you would think more than 1% of the population would vote for him.

Unless you feel that people are just completely turned off to libertarians because of people like Slash?

[GBMelBlount]

Holy Crap! Santa rosa finally reported and Romney is within 20,000 votes in Florida! I still think it is looking good for Obama because Miami Dade is leaning obama and are under reported.

[The Patriot]

Really, why? Sure, I agree he makes sense in the classroom.

I am just curious because if he really could make a difference you would think more than 1% of the population would vote for him.

Unless you feel that people are just completely turned off to libertarians because of people like Slash?

Google says 62+ million votes are accounted for thus far (not including the west coast). And there are an estimated 225+ million Americans over the age 18. So apparently most voters didn't care to vote for anyone. Gary was really a placeholder. He wasn't ever going to be a viable libertarian candidate for president, but if he could get 5% of the vote this election then the party would be entitled to campaign funding.

[st33lersguy]

Florida is dangerously close to going to Obama, therefore I am dangerously close to giving up on this country

[GBMelBlount]

Google says 62+ million votes are accounted for thus far (not including the west coast). And there are an estimated 225+ million Americans over the age 18. So apparently most voters didn't care to vote for anyone. Gary was really a placeholder. He wasn't ever going to be a viable libertarian candidate for president, but if he could get 5% of the vote this election then the party would be entitled to campaign funding.

I would tend to agree Patriot. It's a shame. Paulbots could have made a difference in this election if it was close.

...and again, I say this as someone who agrees in principle with most all of what the libertarians stand for....just not their tactics.

[86WARD]

Obama takes Ohio and a second term!

[fansince'76]

Color me thrilled. :sarcasm:

[Seven]

Looks like the sheeple came out in full force today. Who's excited for a 100% food stamp usage increase, 22 trillion dollars worth of debt and over 8% unemployment for this upcoming term? Four more years!....

[steelpride12]

Enjoy record high welfare percentage, I know you all love getting free help from the government. Enjoy state colleges tuition rising because we all love to pay more. Enjoy the destruction of the US dollar and enjoy a higher debt ceiling. Oh yeah, enjoy your "beloved" troops remaining in Afghanistan well past 2016. Well see how you all stand in 4 more years. You're welcome China, go ahead and take over whenever you're ready. Gary Johnson 2016. WAKE UP! Don't always go for the "popular people" 3rd party has a voice and you should give it a chance.

[st33lersguy]

Time to predict which dictatorship will rule the vast array of idiots who live with their heads perpetually up their asses
The Obama dictatorship
China
Russia
Islamic extremist middle eastern country that we will fund.

How many successful terrorist attacks will occur on American soil over these next 4 long miserable years? Over/Under set at 9.5

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Wild parties about to occur among various Al Qaeda and Taliban bases

The only difference between America over the next few dreadful years and the American colonies under British rule is the vast array of successful terrorist attacks

[fansince'76]

Time to predict which dictatorship will rule the vast array of idiots who live with their heads perpetually up their asses

Also time to predict how much longer everything will continue to be blamed on bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-BUSH!?!?!? (http://news.yahoo.com/exit-poll-many-still-blame-bush-bad-economy-014826923--election.html) I'm guessing 4 more years...

[86WARD]

Romney not giving up on Ohio yet...lol.

[Seven]

Romney not giving up on Ohio yet...lol.

Maybe he'll pull a Gore and demand a re-count

[st33lersguy]

My projected response to the next four years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI

Time to stand up for our freedom and raise our voices even louder

[st33lersguy]

Worthless idiots have officially taken over this country. By 2016, the only difference between this stupid country and poor African countries is that half the population in this stupid country won't realize the country is in poverty

[Seven]

Worthless idiots have officially taken over this country. By 2016, the only difference between this stupid country and poor African countries is that half the population in this stupid country won't realize the country is in poverty

But Obama is one of us!!! Every problem this country faces is Bush's fault, the stimulus was a good idea, Obama "stabilized" our economy, he's cool! Mitt is out of touch, Obamacare works...

Just look at all the reasons we should blindly follow Obama :rolleyes:

[fansince'76]

Who's excited for...over 8% unemployment for this upcoming term?

I'm sure that number will "decrease" once a few million more simply give up and stop looking. And of course, that will be all bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-Bush's fault too!

[Mach1]

I'm sure that number will "decrease" once a few million more simply give up and stop looking. And of course, that will be all bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-Bush's fault too!

Don't forget about all the business's that will be fined/taxed out of existence along the way. But that will be Bush's fault too.

This country truly deserves whats coming to it.

[stillers4me]

I was a young, divorced, single mother at age 29. I raised my son on my own for 10 years.

And for the first time in my life, I woke up scared.

Russ and I were never going to have to kind of retirement that involves traveling and relaxing. But I'm truly afraid of how we are even going to make it through the next decade let alone provide for ourselves when we can no longer work. He's been out of work 2 times in the last 4 years and each time lasts longer and longer. My son, his wife and 4 kids live in a 800 square foot home and the youngest two kids sleep in their bedroom. I pray every night the house does not burn down around them. I pray every night that they find the rent money each month. He has been out of work 3 times in the last 4 years, and is in danger of being laid off as we speak, and there is little we can do to help them...although we do the best we can with clothes and some groceries from time to time for them.

I'm truly scared of what is to come.

[Vis]

https://upworthy-production.s3.amazonaws.com/nugget/509a0067dd990000020077b4/attachments/Final-Proposition-Map.jpg

[SCSTILLER]

Vis, I love how the DREAM Act says "for undocumented workers." Aren't those "Illegal Immigrants?" So, the tax paying law abiding citizens of Maryland have to pay for the college tuition of someone's kids who are here illegally? Well then, why not just pay for everyone's college institution in the state, illegal, legal, who cares? Free college for everyone!

FARGGING BS!

[The WH]

Vis, I love how the DREAM Act says "for undocumented workers." Aren't those "Illegal Immigrants?" So, the tax paying law abiding citizens of Maryland have to pay for the college tuition of someone's kids who are here illegally? Well then, why not just pay for everyone's college institution in the state, illegal, legal, who cares? Free college for everyone!

FARGGING BS! Are you arguing against people trying to be educated? Learning should be free to anyone anywhere.

[Count Steeler]

Are you arguing against people trying to be educated? Learning should be free to anyone anywhere.

Nothing is free. Everything else is paid for by taxes.

[Vis]

Conservatives don't understand that educating the people is an investment that benefits the whole nation. That's why we fall behind. It's why the best programs have to recruit foreign kids. We,as a nation are short sighted. Other countries see how citizens are assets to be maximized.

[st33lersguy]

4 more years....... til this country collapses

[Count Steeler]

Conservatives don't understand that educating the people is an investment that benefits the whole nation. That's why we fall behind. It's why the best programs have to recruit foreign kids. We,as a nation are short sighted. Other countries see how citizens are assets to be maximized.

If you lived in Markham, then you know the education reforms that Harris brought in. He brought in accountability and made our education system much better than it was. It has deteriorated since he left office, under the Liberals that have been in power since then.

[GoSlash27]

Conservatives don't understand that educating the people is an investment that benefits the whole nation. That's why we fall behind. It's why the best programs have to recruit foreign kids. We,as a nation are short sighted. Other countries see how citizens are assets to be maximized.

Umm... you *do* realize that we spend more $$ per kid on education than any other country in the world except Switzerland, right?
And where has all this "investment" gotten us?
http://media.reason.com/mc/dpowell/2011_01/derugy-column-chart1.jpg

It may be an investment, but that doesn't automatically mean it's a good one.
http://media.reason.com/mc/dpowell/2011_01/derugy-column-chart2.jpg

And the broader problem isn't one of education, but one of solvency. If Maryland will give a free ride to kids who got smuggled across the border, then that's like ringing a dinner bell. All of the people with no skills or prospects are going to drag their kids to Maryland so they don't have to pay to educate them. Excellent deal for them, not so good for Maryland.
How are they supposed to afford this?
At first blush, I'd say it's their own problem to deal with for having been stupid enough to do this, but when their budget is busted, guess where they'll come looking for a bailout?

If you truly believe all that soft-headed nonsense, find a poor kid in your neighborhood and offer to pay for his college yourself. Let me know how that works out for you.

[Vis]

If you lived in Markham, then you know the education reforms that Harris brought in. He brought in accountability and made our education system much better than it was. It has deteriorated since he left office, under the Liberals that have been in power since then.
in the 70s

[Count Steeler]

GoSlash, the big problem is the lack of accountability. Yes invest in education, but make sure your kids are getting educated. This is the reform that Harris spearheaded in the 90's and we started to perform much better in international testing and rankings.

[ALLD]

Vis, I love how the DREAM Act says "for undocumented workers." Aren't those "Illegal Immigrants?" So, the tax paying law abiding citizens of Maryland have to pay for the college tuition of someone's kids who are here illegally? Well then, why not just pay for everyone's college institution in the state, illegal, legal, who cares? Free college for everyone!

FARGGING BS!

Free tuition AND Food Stamps for everybody! While they are at it, I need three Ophones, an annual bus pass and my check.

[GoSlash27]

GoSlash, the big problem is the lack of accountability. Yes invest in education, but make sure your kids are getting educated. This is the reform that Harris spearheaded in the 90's and we started to perform much better in international testing and rankings.

"Accountability" from government employees?? :toofunny:
Education isn't an end in politics, it's a jobs program. The goal isn't to educate kids, but rather to hire teachers. SEIU teachers. Who funnel lots of money into the Democratic Party.
It's like anything else. The parties aren't set up to address the needs of the country or to attain the high-minded goals of their rank and file. They are set up to get money.

[st33lersguy]

This country is declining like the Roman Empire

[Texasteel]

"Accountability" from government employees?? :toofunny:
Education isn't an end in politics, it's a jobs program. The goal isn't to educate kids, but rather to hire teachers. SEIU teachers. Who funnel lots of money into the Democratic Party.
It's like anything else. The parties aren't set up to address the needs of the country or to attain the high-minded goals of their rank and file. They are set up to get money.

My daughter is a teacher, and this looks likes something she might have writen.

[Count Steeler]

"Accountability" from government employees?? :toofunny:
Education isn't an end in politics, it's a jobs program. The goal isn't to educate kids, but rather to hire teachers. SEIU teachers. Who funnel lots of money into the Democratic Party.
It's like anything else. The parties aren't set up to address the needs of the country or to attain the high-minded goals of their rank and file. They are set up to get money.

That's why the rats were scurrying like mad when our conservative government implemented accountability in our school system. The teachers were the loudest opponents, but most of the parents wanted a better education system. This was not a generational change, this was done in less than 2 years.

As an aside, our teachers have the most powerful union in the province and maybe in the country. I know teachers in the US are vastly underpaid compared to ours.

And, I'm sure in your end game, you DO want accountability in your government programs. I certainly do. Hopefully a lot less programs, but they HAVE to be accountable.

[Godfather]

GoSlash, the big problem is the lack of accountability. Yes invest in education, but make sure your kids are getting educated. This is the reform that Harris spearheaded in the 90's and we started to perform much better in international testing and rankings.

True, but what works in Canada doesn't necessarily work in the US. Every time we get the federal government more involved in K-12 education, the outcomes get worse. It happened when we created the Department of Education in the late 1970s. It happened when Daddy Bush came up with Goals 2000. It happened when Chimpy and the Swimmer gave us No Child Gets Ahead. And of course, now we have Obumble and Race to the Top.

Insanity - Trying the same thing again and again and expecting different results.

[Texasteel]

True, but what works in Canada doesn't necessarily work in the US. Every time we get the federal government more involved in K-12 education, the outcomes get worse. It happened when we created the Department of Education in the late 1970s. It happened when Daddy Bush came up with Goals 2000. It happened when Chimpy and the Swimmer gave us No Child Gets Ahead. And of course, now we have Obumble and Race to the Top.

Insanity - Trying the same thing again and again and expecting different results.

That maybe because there is no accoutability in government either. It is sometimes hard to disinguish between liberal and conservative. The same names keep turning
up over and over only in a different position. Any truely new ideas get quickly cast aside so that the status quo marches on. Sometimes a team can not be changed till you change the players. I think the same can be said about the government.

The two party system has worked well for us for a lot of years, but now that system seems to have taken on a life of its own, and may have become part of the probem.

[st33lersguy]

Education will only get worse and worse once the real Obama is unleashed

[SCSTILLER]

Are you arguing against people trying to be educated? Learning should be free to anyone anywhere.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiRGRvE_Wqg