Bruce Arians not overly concerned about Clay Matthews

[Psycho Ward 86]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000069466/article/clay-matthews-doesnt-scare-indianapolis-colts?module=HP11_headline_stack



INDIANAPOLIS -- Green Bay Packers linebacker Clay Matthews tends to draw extra attention on a weekly basis. Straight double teams. Chips from tight ends and backs. Anything to slow down the long-haired whirling dervish.

Interim coach Bruce Arians said his Indianapolis Colts can't sacrifice offensive options to solely focus on Matthews.

"You can get overwhelmed trying to chip and help and do things that I call butt nug," Arians said. "You're all blocked up and there's nowhere to throw the ball. You've got to have guys go out.

"I don't think you can overly concern yourself with a guy. You challenge who's blocking him because they move him all around. It's not going to be Anthony Castonzo the whole game. He's going to be inside putting spin moves on whoever is playing guard, he's going to be on the right side. You say you can account for him, but he's not where you put him and you're over there chipping someone who doesn't need to be chipped.

"Get your guys out, let the quarterback read his patterns and play football."

Arians compared it to his time spent in Cleveland as offensive coordinator from 2001 to 2003. He learned a lesson trying to block Jevon Kearse and Kevin Carter.

"We tried to put a tight end on one and a halfback on the other and we got sacked about eight times," Arians said. "Then we went empty, spread out and threw it quick, we got hit a couple times, but we beat them."

Aaron Rodgers

Matthews, surely, welcomes the challenge. He ranks No. 2 in the NFL with seven sacks and is the favorite in most one-on-one matchups.

Arians' decision is a bold one considering the line has been the weak link of the Colts' offense. The unit has allowed just five sacks, but much of that is because of Andrew Luck's ability to avoid them. It doesn't help that center Samson Satele has a bad left knee and hasn't been able to finish the last two games.

The Matthews dynamic will be one to watch.

[Psycho Ward 86]

LOL well that would explain all the long developing pass plays against the likes of teams with great pass rushers while he was here :lol:

[st33lersguy]

Of course he isn't worried about Matthews, he's an idiot

[bayz101]

Arians is a complete dumbass. Yeah, let's not worry about a guy with seven sacks.

[GodfatherofSoul]

Clay matthews; 3 sack game and rapes Luck behind the hot dog stand during half-time.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Clay matthews; 3 sack game and rapes Luck behind the hot dog stand during half-time.

Clay Matthew IS the hot dog stand :lol:

[Craic]

Then we went empty, spread out and threw it quick,

Funny how most people tend to miss the details. So, if that was his plan since the Browns, and if WRs have a route tree they run where they make decisions based on what they think the QB is thinking, should I even ask why plays were so long in developing? Maybe it was gasp! the QB.

If that is true, then I applaud the decision to remove Arians, because it meant that he was being overridden to much by Ben. Now there's a coach that won't allow that, and Ben's numbers are going up.

Funny thing though. In the past, the Steelers have been the team to put pressure consistently on a QB. Anyone remember how the Patriots kept beating us after the video tapes were destroyed? What's the known pattern for beating our team? That's right. Spread out the defense and throw short passes.

Right, Arians must be stupid.

Look, I could really careless about Arians per se, it's the continued perception that we as fans know better than coaches who have been involved in this game at that level for years, sometimes decades. I'll take my shots at both the OC and DC, never, will I think I know the game better than them.

[bayz101]

When someone makes comments as stupid as what Arians has put on display, they have it coming. He's a dipshit. That's MY opinion, and the opinion of MANY others, including Colts fans.

[86WARD]

So This just proves the point that Arians doesn't learn from previous experiences. Lol...

[suitanim]

Arians has always relied on complex crossing routes and the like to spring WR's loose, and those plays tend to take longer to develop. And, guess what? The Steelers actually knew that when they hired him. They DID gameplan against him, ergo they were completely cognizant of how his offense works. Same with Indy...who would know better about an Arians offense than Ravens DC Chuck Pagano.

This is lunacy...the same weak intellectually lazy arguments made by the same people over and over again...do you guys REALLY think you know more about football than the Rooney's? Cowher? Pagano? Jim Isray? Really? REALLY?

[Wallace108]

do you guys REALLY think you know more about football than the Rooney's? Cowher? Pagano? Jim Isray? Really? REALLY?

Didn't Rooney kick Arians to the curb? :noidea: Are YOU suggesting that YOU know more than Rooney?

Getting a job doesn't always prove that a coach is a genius. Idiot owners keep giving Norv Turner a job. Does this lead us to the conclusion that Turner is a fantastic head coach?

[bayz101]

Jim Isray is a dumb ass.

[Butch]

Same Brucie who decided that it was much better to have a passing game plan against cleaveland when they had the worst rushing D in the league in a game where the wind was strong and did not favor a passing game. BTW we lost that game.

Same Brucie who states that when a player goes down we won't try to target his replacement.

As for the hire he was brought in as a QB coach and was later promoted to O.C. when Bill left and Mike came in. Kinda made sense when you have lost your O.C. to arizona, and had to find someone to replace him. Also the Rooney's were also the ones who got rid of him, guess they weren't as enamored with him as some on this board are. Rumor had it they were going to get rid of him just one year sooner, but that's just a rumor...I guess.

[suitanim]

Same Brucie who decided that it was much better to have a passing game plan against cleaveland when they had the worst rushing D in the league in a game where the wind was strong and did not favor a passing game. BTW we lost that game.

Same Brucie who states that when a player goes down we won't try to target his replacement.

As for the hire he was brought in as a QB coach and was later promoted to O.C. when Bill left and Mike came in. Kinda made sense when you have lost your O.C. to arizona, and had to find someone to replace him. Also the Rooney's were also the ones who got rid of him, guess they weren't as enamored with him as some on this board are. Rumor had it they were going to get rid of him just one year sooner, but that's just a rumor...I guess.


Look, if they wouldn't have hired him from Cleveland after gameplanning against him for a couple years, you'd maybe have a point. And if they didn't PROMOTE him to OC, CLEARLY knowing who they had and what kind of offense he ran, you'd maybe have a point. And if they'd have FIRED him at any time along the way, you'd maybe have a point. What they did was not renew his contract. He was with the Steelers organization for SEVEN YEARS. If he was with them for, like, maybe two and he got fired, maybe you'd have a point. But you don't have a point.

These are all the same weak arguments being made over and over and over again. Saying dumb things a hundred times doesn't them any less dumb. And what is this sick obsession with every single move Arians makes anyways? He's gone...time to move on...

[st33lersguy]

I am just thankful that Airhead Arians is no longer holding this team back, and Indianapolis will be lucky to win two games with this moron as interim head coach

[Butch]

And what is this sick obsession with every single move Arians makes anyways? He's gone...time to move on...

ROFLMAO!!! Thanks Suitanim you really made me laugh on that comment.

This coming from the same guy who injects brucie into threads that don't have even the most remote thing to do with him ie... the Redzone Defense thread.

[Butch]

And if they'd have FIRED him at any time along the way, you'd maybe have a point. What they did was not renew his contract.

Semantics??? Basically the same thing Rooney's saying we don't want you any more it's time to move on. If it didn't basically mean the same thing you might have gotten a point.


And if they didn't PROMOTE him to OC, CLEARLY knowing who they had and what kind of offense he ran, you'd maybe have a point.

As I stated they had to replace the O.C. because the one we had moved on, they gave him a shot. In the end they weren't happy so they decided to move on ie...not renew the contract. One thing about the Rooney's they don't fire um not renew contracts quickly. They gave him time to prove himself and they obviously were not impressed or he would still be here after all he gets along with Ben why else would you not want him here??? Guess he didn't pan out in their books either.

[Craic]

As I stated they had to replace the O.C. because the one we had moved on, they gave him a shot. In the end they weren't happy so they decided to move on ie...not renew the contract. One thing about the Rooney's they don't fire um not renew contracts quickly. They gave him time to prove himself and they obviously were not impressed or he would still be here after all he gets along with Ben why else would you not want him here??? Guess he didn't pan out in their books either.

I find these utterly hilarious. Let's look at the facts, shall we?

1. The LONGEST tenure for an offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh is held by . . . wait for it . . . Bruce Arians.
2. The LONGEST tenure of any OC in the AFL until this year was . . . wait for it again . . . Bruce Arians.
3. The third longest active tenure of any OC in the NFL was, yes, that's right, Bruce Arians.

Say what you want, but that's NOT "Giving him a shot" until they decided "they obviously were not impressed" so "he didn't pan out in their books."

[suitanim]

Seven years. That's a LONG time to keep making a mistake over and over again especially considering there was a promotion in there. One might actually think there was deliberate intention here....

I'm done arguing about this. Time to let it go. What I said in the other thread was a joke...the unhealthy obsession with Arians by others (several in this thread I have on ignore, so I can only speculate) is deadly serious.

[Wallace108]

I find these utterly hilarious. Let's look at the facts, shall we?

1. The LONGEST tenure for an offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh is held by . . . wait for it . . . Bruce Arians.
2. The LONGEST tenure of any OC in the AFL until this year was . . . wait for it again . . . Bruce Arians.
3. The third longest active tenure of any OC in the NFL was, yes, that's right, Bruce Arians.

Say what you want, but that's NOT "Giving him a shot" until they decided "they obviously were not impressed" so "he didn't pan out in their books."
As has been stated, the Rooney's don't make changes quickly.

And saying that Arians was the longest-tenured OC in the NFL isn't exactly a sign of success. The really good OCs get head-coaching gigs. How many head-coaching jobs did Arians interview for while on the Steelers staff?

With that said, I don't blame Arians for ALL of our past offensive struggles. Just most of them. :heh:

[tube517]

Like all Arians' threads, I expect this one to hit 1000 pages........:chuckle:

[ALLD]

He almost sounds like Rex Ryan.

[XxKnightxX]

http://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/Best-of-the-Burgh-Blogs/Pulling-No-Punches/September-2010/The-Ultimate-Hater-039s-Guide-to-the-Tampa-Bay-Bucs/Tomlin-1.jpg

[Butch]

As has been stated, the Rooney's don't make changes quickly.

And saying that Arians was the longest-tenured OC in the NFL isn't exactly a sign of success. The really good OCs get head-coaching gigs. How many head-coaching jobs did Arians interview for while on the Steelers staff?

With that said, I don't blame Arians for ALL of our past offensive struggles. Just most of them. :heh:

Been busy with other stuff and just checked back on this thread. Couldn't have stated it better myself.

[Butch]

Seven years. That's a LONG time to keep making a mistake over and over again especially considering there was a promotion in there. One might actually think there was deliberate intention here....

I'm done arguing about this. Time to let it go. What I said in the other thread was a joke...the unhealthy obsession with Arians by others (several in this thread I have on ignore, so I can only speculate) is deadly serious.

While we all understand it was a joke the fact that you even brought it up in a thread totally un-related shows who has the obsession.

[polamalubeast]

http://forums.colts.com/index.php?/topic/11112-bruce-arian-as-interim-head-coach/

[suitanim]

That's just as ridiculous as most of the rest of the trash in this thread. I mocked foolish people with that joke...this is serious business to people like you though. It's.......disturbing.

People, LET IT GO. Arians is gone. We have a new OC now! We get it...you didn't like him...and you predicted his firing year after year after year after year after year. Why do you care what he does now? Please, let it go...walk away from the Arians post...walk away from the Arians post. Nothing to see here, move along...

[Craic]

This thread is too funny. The really good OC's always leave after a couple years, and it's only the bad ones that stay on for five years. Wow, so the Rooney's are basically a social-welfare plan for OC's that can't get a head coaching job. Makes you wonder how they have 6 SB wins with ownership that inept, doesn't it?

[suitanim]

Listening/watching Steelers fans discuss offenses and OC's is like watching monkeys try to use a calculator. It's always good for a laugh...

[Butch]

this is serious business to people like you though. It's.......disturbing.

Serious business and disturbing??? Who's the one who constantly brings it up??? All joking aside you bring him up more often than any other person on this board jokingly or otherwise. If anyone has an un-healthy obsession it's you. Seriously heed your own advise and simply walk away. I honestly don't think you can.

[polamalubeast]

despite the 1-2 record of steelers nobody has criticized Haley right now in this forum!

In fact, this is the first time since a very long time that Lebeau is more criticize than the OC of the steelers!

[suitanim]

despite the 1-2 record of steelers nobody has criticized Haley right now in this forum!

In fact, this is the first time since a very long time that Lebeau is more criticize than the OC of the steelers!

That's not surprising, given that we were told by the board "intelligentsia" (and I literally could not be more sarcastic when I use that term)the last few years that it's not if you win or lose, it's how many points you score.

[Wallace108]

This thread is too funny. The really good OC's always leave after a couple years, and it's only the bad ones that stay on for five years. Wow, so the Rooney's are basically a social-welfare plan for OC's that can't get a head coaching job. Makes you wonder how they have 6 SB wins with ownership that inept, doesn't it?
It doesn't hurt when you consistently have a top-5 defense to cover for an ineffective offense. Just look at the two games against the Browns last year. Arians' offense managed to put up a whopping 14 and 13 points. Luckily, the defense held the Browns to 3 and 9 points, or we would have lost both games to one of the worst teams in the league.

The Steelers are the best organization in the NFL. Period. But that doesn't mean that they ALWAYS make the right decision. Regardless of what some Steelers fans might think, the front office isn't infallible. I'm sure we both could come up with examples of past mistakes. I'll start with not getting rid of Arians sooner.

[polamalubeast]

The big problem I have sometimes is that you put the name of Arians on several thread even when it not speaks of Arians in this thread...This joke is very old and it is not even funny...This is not funny

This is very frustrating and I was very frustrated when you put Arians in the thread of the red zone defense

it's derailed a thread and this is very frustrating

[86WARD]

Arians isn't nearly as bad as people say. He's not nearly as good as Suit thinks. He's average at best.

[Butch]

This thread is too funny. The really good OC's always leave after a couple years, and it's only the bad ones that stay on for five years. Wow, so the Rooney's are basically a social-welfare plan for OC's that can't get a head coaching job. Makes you wonder how they have 6 SB wins with ownership that inept, doesn't it?

So you wanna talk about facts here's a couple for ya'.

1. Fact Same ownership that hired him fired him. (didn't renew his contract for those in de-nile).

2. Fact we won a Superbowl with Mitch Berger as our punter.

[Wallace108]

So you wanna talk about facts here's a couple for ya'.

1. Fact Same ownership that hired him fired him. (didn't renew his contract for those in de-nile).

2. Fact we won a Superbowl with Mitch Berger as our punter.

Correct.

Having a great quarterback greatly increases your odds of winning a Super Bowl. The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. I'm not ready to argue that Dilfer was a great, or even good, quarterback. It's safe to say that the Ravens won in spite of Dilfer. And I don't think it's a stretch to say that the Steelers won a Super Bowl in spite of Arians.

I know there are fans who hated discussing Arians when he was actually a part of the team, so I know that they have absolutely no desire to discuss him now that he's gone. But apparently, some of us don't mind talking about him even now. I checked the CoC ... there's no rule that says everyone (and that includes Suit) has to read and respond to every thread.

[Bluecoat96]

Correct.

Having a great quarterback greatly increases your odds of winning a Super Bowl. The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. I'm not ready to argue that Dilfer was a great, or even good, quarterback. It's safe to say that the Ravens won in spite of Dilfer. And I don't think it's a stretch to say that the Steelers won a Super Bowl in spite of Arians.

I know there are fans who hated discussing Arians when he was actually a part of the team, so I know that they have absolutely no desire to discuss him now that he's gone. But apparently, some of us don't mind talking about him even now. I checked the CoC ... there's no rule that says everyone (and that includes Suit) has to read and respond to every thread.

So...by using this brilliant statement, you are saying that Arians probably didn't have anything to do with the Steelers' last drive of Superbowl 43? Wasn't it the defense that shit the bed and almost cost us the game?

[Butch]

So...by using this brilliant statement, you are saying that Arians probably didn't have anything to do with the Steelers' last drive of Superbowl 43? Wasn't it the defense that shit the bed and almost cost us the game?

You mean the same Defense that got us to the Superbowl that year??? Remember the game against Dallas??? D got turn over after turnover early in the game but late in the game we were down by 7. Yeah the Offense finally came to life but it was the D that sealed it with a pick 6.

How bout Troy's Int. that sealed the win in the championship???

Also in 43 wasn't it the Defense that saved the Offense at the 1/2??? How many times did the D rise up only to have a let down by the O??? Go back and watch the game if you can. I have it on DVD watch it all the time. Lot's of stops by the D and the O just stagnated. So while you may think it was the D that shit the bed don't forget the safety and other miscues by the Offense that set up the D's shitting of the bed. There was lots of shitting on all sides I'm sure there were plenty of fans shitting too. I know that's a lot of shit to sift through but you know shit happens!!!

[Wallace108]

So...by using this brilliant statement, you are saying that Arians probably didn't have anything to do with the Steelers' last drive of Superbowl 43? Wasn't it the defense that shit the bed and almost cost us the game?

Correct. They were in no huddle.

[Butch]

Correct. They were in no huddle.

Aint that some shit!!!

[Wallace108]

Aint that some shit!!!

I'm trying to remember how awesome the offense looked before going no huddle. You know ... when the genius was calling the plays. :scratchchin:

All sarcasm aside, I don't think Arians was horrible. He's just an average OC. Actually, he's got a good offensive mind, but his stubbornness and arrogance always gets in the way.

[Butch]

I'm trying to remember how awesome the offense looked before going no huddle. You know ... when the genius was calling the plays. :scratchchin:

All sarcasm aside, I don't think Arians was horrible. He's just an average OC. Actually, he's got a good offensive mind, but his stubbornness and arrogance always gets in the way.

I can agree with that assesment.

[86WARD]

Just look at him...lol...that guy is arrogant...

[bayz101]

Of course Suit is going into damage control. This is an NFL thread in the NFL forum, and that's why we're discussing it. If seeing opinions against your favorite Offensive Coordinator hurts, stay away from the thread, or at the very LEAST try and contribute to the discussion....

I happen to believe Arians had a good offensive gameplan, but failed MISERABLY when it came to using it.

[NCSteeler]

I find these utterly hilarious. Let's look at the facts, shall we?

1. The LONGEST tenure for an offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh is held by . . . wait for it . . . Bruce Arians.
2. The LONGEST tenure of any OC in the AFL until this year was . . . wait for it again . . . Bruce Arians.
3. The third longest active tenure of any OC in the NFL was, yes, that's right, Bruce Arians.

Say what you want, but that's NOT "Giving him a shot" until they decided "they obviously were not impressed" so "he didn't pan out in their books."

If his tenure included the likes of kordell, cassel or sanchez he would not of made it 3 years. Ben' mobility and arm strength bailed him out for a few more seasons.

BUT if his long tenure proves so much, it proves this....NO ONE WANTED to hire him AWAY from us. MANY MANY O coord go on to be HCs long before they would get fired. You really did plan that into your stat.

[NCSteeler]

Correct me if I'm a stray here, but this thread would mostly be dead on page one if the 2 who insist we should drop it had never posted.

[suitanim]

Arians isn't nearly as bad as people say. He's not nearly as good as Suit thinks. He's average at best.

Correction: All I've ever maintained was that he was good. NOT GREAT. He's a good coordinator. Any other interpretation is based on bias or bending facts by people desperately trying to win an un-winnable debate. These are the same people who use ridiculous pejorative terms like "Arians is an idiot". Which is preposterous.

[86WARD]

He's obviously not an idiot and I didn't say you said he was great.

[suitanim]

He's obviously not an idiot and I didn't say you said he was great.

My point is that every single data-point and piece of empirical evidence points directly to my assessment of him being completely accurate. It's the haters who are "off" my either not giving him enough credit, or, as the truly less astute usually do, simply dismissing him as a fool that are wrong.

[Edman]

Clay Matthews with a Sack Forced fumble today. Yeah. Shouldn't be too concerned with him.

[fansince'76]

They scored more points than we did today. Just sayin'...

Edit: And, oddly enough, they're now 2-2 as well...

[steelerdude15]

They scored more points than we did today. Just sayin'...

Edit: And, oddly enough, they're now 2-2 as well...

The Colts also played against one of the worst defenses in the game. We played against a pretty good defense.

[fansince'76]

The Colts also played against one of the worst defenses in the game. We played against a pretty good defense.

Packers were ranked 9th in total defense before today, while the Eagles were ranked 6th. :noidea:

[polamalubeast]

Packers were ranked 9th in total defense before today, while the Eagles were ranked 6th. :noidea:

The QB that the packers and eagles have played this year

Packers:Alex Smith(great game of Smith vs packers),Cutler(average),Wilson(3rd round rookie),Brees(420 yards vs GB)

Eagles:Weeden(sucks),Flacco(top 12 QB),Kolb(bad game for the eagles),Eli(2 time super bowl champions and good game for the eagles defense)

[Wallace108]

Giving credit where credit is due. Congrats to Arians and the entire Colts team for beating a tough Packers team in what had to be an unbelievably emotional game.

[86WARD]

Packers were ranked 9th in total defense before today, while the Eagles were ranked 6th. :noidea:

And the Steelers were 5th...just saying...

[fansince'76]

And the Steelers were 5th...just saying...

My bad - I keep forgetting that rankings only matter when the Steelers are 21st in scoring offense...

[steelerdude15]

Packers were ranked 9th in total defense before today, while the Eagles were ranked 6th. :noidea:

I wasn't aware of the rankings. Thanks for the info. IMO, it seems that the Packers D still allows opponents to run all over them. Clay Matthews is having a better year, but is anyone on their D?

[Craic]

My bad - I keep forgetting that rankings only matter when the Steelers are 21st in scoring offense...

:chuckle: Either that, or when stats point out a long tenure, it means your horrible and nobody wants you. :rolleyes: Kind of like those long runs. :wink02:

EDIT: Just realized why NCsteeler was mad at me.

I somehow encouraged Bayz to start this thread and then strategically posted at the exact right time to keep everyone talking about Arians. That's downright hilarious.

[Butch]

:chuckle: Either that, or when stats point out a long tenure, it means your horrible and nobody wants you. :rolleyes: Kind of like those long runs. :wink02:

EDIT: Just realized why NCsteeler was mad at me.

I somehow encouraged Bayz to start this thread and then strategically posted at the exact right time to keep everyone talking about Arians. That's downright hilarious.

Or how Great the front office is for keeping him for so long, but why on God's green earth would they have fired...err not renewed his contract after so many years???

[Wallace108]

:chuckle: Either that, or when stats point out a long tenure, it means your horrible and nobody wants you. :rolleyes: Kind of like those long runs. :wink02:

We could debate Arians until the Browns win their first Super Bowl (if we live that long), but at the end of the day, we're all nothing but armchair quarterbacks. Our opinions are just that ... opinions. But here's something that's not debatable: Owners generally don't fire coaches because they like them and think they're doing a hell of a job.

[Craic]

We could debate Arians until the Browns win their first Super Bowl (if we live that long), but at the end of the day, we're all nothing but armchair quarterbacks. Our opinions are just that ... opinions. But here's something that's not debatable: Owners generally don't fire coaches because they like them and think they're doing a hell of a job.

Nor do they keep them around for five years because they think they're horrible and doing a bad job. I've never said he was a great OC. Heck, I woudn't call him a pretty good OC. Never have, not in one thread. I'd put him at average to average/good, at best.

My argument about him, for the five years he was here, was the fact that he was scapegoated for many of the teams problems.



Or how Great the front office is for keeping him for so long, but why on God's green earth would they have fired...err not renewed his contract after so many years???

Because they wanted to go a different direction. He had worn out his usefullness. Ben is fully developed now. The WR's are great, possibly the best WR core in the NFL, but our run game sucked. Run games wasn't his strength, so now they bring in someone who can utilize the passing game he built and restore a bit of the run game. He is limited in thinking and inflexible, I doubt anyone would argue against that. But that doesn't negate the fact that he oversaw the shift from an ailing run team in 06 and 07, to one of the best passing teams in the NFL

(Oops. According to NCSteeler, I shouldn't have responded because I'm just keeping the thread going. Sorry)

[Wallace108]

I've never said he was a great OC. Heck, I woudn't call him a pretty good OC. Never have, not in one thread. I'd put him at average to average/good, at best.
I agree with that assessment.


My argument about him, for the five years he was here, was the fact that he was scapegoated for many of the teams problems.
There's some truth to that, Preacher. Arians sometimes got blamed for Ben's mistakes and other players' failure to execute. Not once did Arians ever fumble, drop a pass, miss a block, or throw a bad pass. But I had a lot of problems with Arians. In my opinion, his negatives far outweighed his positives. No matter how I feel about Arians as a coach, I respect you and others who have a different opinion. :drink:

[suitanim]

Monkeys, meet calculator...

[NCSteeler]

Nor do they keep them around for five years because they think they're horrible and doing a bad job. I've never said he was a great OC. Heck, I woudn't call him a pretty good OC. Never have, not in one thread. I'd put him at average to average/good, at best.

My argument about him, for the five years he was here, was the fact that he was scapegoated for many of the teams problems.




Because they wanted to go a different direction. He had worn out his usefullness. Ben is fully developed now. The WR's are great, possibly the best WR core in the NFL, but our run game sucked. Run games wasn't his strength, so now they bring in someone who can utilize the passing game he built and restore a bit of the run game. He is limited in thinking and inflexible, I doubt anyone would argue against that. But that doesn't negate the fact that he oversaw the shift from an ailing run team in 06 and 07, to one of the best passing teams in the NFL

(Oops. According to NCSteeler, I shouldn't have responded because I'm just keeping the thread going. Sorry)

Hell, I'll take the ban. Your just being stupid and ignorant now. If you and Suit don't like seeing these thread "blown up" then don't create the discussion. The OP and a few more could have easily posted their opinions and the thread would have drifted to the bottom where it belongs, by responding you create a discussion which you profess you don't want to have. Whatever

[suitanim]

Hell, I'll take the ban. Your just being stupid and ignorant now. If you and Suit don't like seeing these thread "blown up" then don't create the discussion. The OP and a few more could have easily posted their opinions and the thread would have drifted to the bottom where it belongs, by responding you create a discussion which you profess you don't want to have. Whatever

That's part of the fun. Monkey gets frustrated, throws calculator at wall.

Don't blame me for you and a few others sick fascination with everything Arians. He's gone. He was better than you and yours ever gave him credit for, you were mostly wrong about him (although sometimes right), and now it's time to move on. If people would stop posting stupid shit about him, I'll stop responding by saying what stupid shit it is. Until then, around and around and around we go...

[Just George]

can we get a lock to a now useless thread :)

[suitanim]

Why don't we replace the NASCAR forum (which nobody posts in) with a "Bruce Arians Hater" forum, and the 5-10 people who can't stop talking/thinking about him can go bitch and moan there?

[bayz101]

Why are you getting so defensive?

[bayz101]

I personally see NO problem in discussing Bruce Arians, as long as it's in the NFL forum where it belongs. I feel the same way about ANY coordinator, and the fact that Arians' is our former OC, it makes for good discussion.

I personally thought Arians was a OC with a good gameplan who used it wrong, and that's my opinion. But like I said, I think this could be a good discussion, and i'm not sure why some of you are getting bent out of shape. Not my choice whether or not the discussion lives or not, though. Or even if it has a purpose. :chuckle:

[Butch]

Don't blame me for you and a few others sick fascination with everything Arians.

If this aint a pot meets kettle statement then I guess I don't know what is.

Gotta give ya' at least this much Suitanim you do know how to make me laugh.

[suitanim]

If this aint a pot meets kettle statement then I guess I don't know what is.

Gotta give ya' at least this much Suitanim you do know how to make me laugh.

Please show me the last Arians post I STARTED. I went back to 2010 and still couldn't find one.

You lunatics need to cease and desist. Don't blame me for your sick twisted obsession.

[suitanim]

If this aint a pot meets kettle statement then I guess I don't know what is.

Gotta give ya' at least this much Suitanim you do know how to make me laugh.

Dupe post.

[Butch]

Remember the Red Zone Defense thread??? Hell you pulled that one clear outta left field. Yes I know you were joking, but it was a post about B.A. and it was the 1st remark on that thread involving Bruce. Just sayin'.

[suitanim]

Remember the Red Zone Defense thread??? Hell you pulled that one clear outta left field. Yes I know you were joking, but it was a post about B.A. and it was the 1st remark on that thread involving Bruce. Just sayin'.

Oh yeah, I'm quick to pull out the fact that there are idiots on this board who went as far as blaming Arians for DEFENSIVE and special teams breakdowns last year. But that was just a joke...clearly sarcastic, clearly tongue-in-cheek, clearly mocking past (and present, as it stands) idiocy regarding the guy. There's a HUGE difference between making a stupid joke about retards posting stupid shit and people posting obsessive-compulsively (and totally seriously) about an OC that isn't even here anymore.

I promise, I won't make any more jokes or references to him, or references about the dumb people who blasted him for everything if you guys would just STOP POSTING ABOUT BRUCE ARIANS!

[bayz101]

Doesn't really matter what manner you posted about him in, you STILL posted about him. I STILL fail to see why you're so upset about us discussing Bruce Arians. I'm just going to exit the conversation and discussion altogether. Not worth it.

[Wallace108]

I promise, I won't make any more jokes or references to him, or references about the dumb people who blasted him for everything if you guys would just STOP POSTING ABOUT BRUCE ARIANS!

Here's a better idea ... why don't you STOP READING THREADS ABOUT BRUCE ARIANS!

Seriously, Suit, there is no rule here that says you have to read every thread. For better or worse, there's still a good number of posters who like to talk about Arians. Should they stop talking about him because YOU and a few others are tired of hearing it? How about you just don't read it? It's not like Arians retired and moved on with his life. He's still a coach in the NFL and is worthy of discussion.

I know Suit won't see this because he has me on ignore, but I had to say it anyway.

[X-Terminator]

Gonna throw the penalty flag here.

This is the Around the NFL forum. If members want to discuss Bruce Arians in this forum, they are free to do so as much as they want, and for as long as they want. As Wallace said, nobody is forcing anyone to read the threads, and if you post in here, you are doing so of your own volition. It is no one else's fault.

You may continue.

[suitanim]

Gonna throw the penalty flag here.

This is the Around the NFL forum. If members want to discuss Bruce Arians in this forum, they are free to do so as much as they want, and for as long as they want. As Wallace said, nobody is forcing anyone to read the threads, and if you post in here, you are doing so of your own volition. It is no one else's fault.

You may continue.

How about at least elevating the conversation at least past the semi-literate state of the ubiquitous "Arians is a moron" postings? What is gained by the same ten people chiming in on every Arians thread and inferring that A) Arians is a fool B) THEY know more about running an offense then he does C) and heaping tons of scorn and ridicule on an obvious undeserving scapegoat?

We get it already. You hate Bruce Arians, and your hatred prohibits you from forming clear, rational or logical arguments. This is akin to the odd poster who ALWAYS has to post in any NASCAR thread (not on this board so much) about how stupid NASCAR is. After the 400th time, we realize that poster so-and-so hates NASCAR.

[bayz101]

I don't know. I feel that I have the right to call Arians' whatever I wish, and I state my thoughts reasoning. I was one of the first, along with Wallace, to congratulate him on his teams victory. I don't understand why Suit is getting so bent out of shape other than the fact that he really liked Bruce.

We all know that Cowher has had his fair share of threads regarding him coaching again in the NFL, and this falls in that same category. No reason we shouldn't be allowed to discuss these things, and XT further confirmed that. I think those who find a discussion like this to be too sensitive should just ignore it altogether.

[Wallace108]

How about at least elevating the conversation at least past the semi-literate state of the ubiquitous "Arians is a moron" postings? What is gained by the same ten people chiming in on every Arians thread and inferring that A) Arians is a fool B) THEY know more about running an offense then he does C) and heaping tons of scorn and ridicule on an obvious undeserving scapegoat?

We get it already. You hate Bruce Arians, and your hatred prohibits you from forming clear, rational or logical arguments. This is akin to the odd poster who ALWAYS has to post in any NASCAR thread (not on this board so much) about how stupid NASCAR is. After the 400th time, we realize that poster so-and-so hates NASCAR.

The problem is that you just want to silence anyone who doesn't agree with you. It burns you up when people don't see things exactly the way you do. If you can't reason with them, you resort to intimidation and verbal assaults. If all else fails, you put them on ignore.

No matter what you think about Arians, ultimately, Rooney agreed with the "stupid" "moronic" Arians Haters who wanted him gone.

That's my final word. Back on topic ...

[bayz101]

I believe the Colts are taking on the Jets this weekend. It'll be interesting if Arians' manages to lose to that train-wreck of a team, considering what WE did to them. I find that teams who are down and out get REAL pissed and put up a fight bigger than usual, and the Jets could actually pull it off. The Raiders we'e useless the first two games, and beat us at their house.

[bayz101]

Also, on the title topic: Not worried about Matthews? How many sacks did Mr. Matthews get? Luck threw the ball 55 times (typical Arians' gameplan), surely Luck bit the dust at least a few times?

[polamalubeast]

Also, on the title topic: Not worried about Matthews? How many sacks did Mr. Matthews get? Luck threw the ball 55 times (typical Arians' gameplan), surely Luck bit the dust at least a few times?

1 sacks

[Craic]

Hell, I'll take the ban. Your just being stupid and ignorant now. If you and Suit don't like seeing these thread "blown up" then don't create the discussion. The OP and a few more could have easily posted their opinions and the thread would have drifted to the bottom where it belongs, by responding you create a discussion which you profess you don't want to have. Whatever

"Ban"? What are you talking about? Just further proof that you're reading things that have nothing to do with the discussion.

And um, I didn't CREATE the discussion. Bayz did. Oh, wait. You're saying I shouldn't post MY opinion, and I'm at fault for voicing (typing) what I think. Brilliant logic. Especially on a FORUM where THREAD COUNT and POST COUNT for the forum helps create more traffic, which in turn makes the forum more active, which in turn, makes more money for our forum owners so they can run it free of cost, or even make a few dollars off it. Yep, BRILLIANT.

[/QUOTE](EDIT: Speaking of brilliant - it seems I can't even use the quote tags correctly)


by responding you create a discussion which you profess you don't want to have. Whatever

Now, let's talk about being stupid and ignorant. Since I dislike the word "stupid" let's just call it willful ignorance on your part. Because this one is a beautiful example. I never said I don't want a discussion concerning Arians. I never said I don't want to discuss his efficency, or his ability to be an OC, or his ability to coach. I SAID, that I'm sick and tired of the Arians/Haley debate. Let me remind of the thread title: "Now can we put away Arians vs. Haley?"

Remember that? Just incase you need more help with reading comprehension (not that you're capable, but because you're choosing to remain willfully ignorant as some sort of infatuation with me), the object of the sentence is two parts. Arains and Haley. The "vs" in the sentence is connecting "Arians" and "Haley" which means that I was asking for the DISCUSSION on the comparison between Arians and Haley as offensive Coordinators for the Pittsburgh Steelers to be ended.

Now, please, I eagerly await your examples showing where I furthered the discussion of Arians VERSES Haley IN THIS THREAD.


Seriously, your infatuation with me is getting a little embarrassing. Let it go. If you have a problem with me, PM me and we'll take care of it there like gentlemen. But your insistence that everyone else express opinions freely while I keep silent so that I don't "Continue a discussion" is laughable at best. At worst, it's a hack argumentation trick to get those with whom you disagree to keep silent.

[X-Terminator]

How about at least elevating the conversation at least past the semi-literate state of the ubiquitous "Arians is a moron" postings? What is gained by the same ten people chiming in on every Arians thread and inferring that A) Arians is a fool B) THEY know more about running an offense then he does C) and heaping tons of scorn and ridicule on an obvious undeserving scapegoat?

We get it already. You hate Bruce Arians, and your hatred prohibits you from forming clear, rational or logical arguments. This is akin to the odd poster who ALWAYS has to post in any NASCAR thread (not on this board so much) about how stupid NASCAR is. After the 400th time, we realize that poster so-and-so hates NASCAR.

You know how much some of that bugs the hell out of me, too. But it is still within their rights to post it. I cannot and will not tell anyone what they can and cannot post provided it does not violate the COC. So again, if it bothers you that much, then you have the option of not reading/responding to these posts/threads.

BTW - I missed that post from NCSteeler in your quote, Preacher. The same things I posted to Suit apply to you as well. NO ONE is prohibited from posting in this thread or on this topic, and you do not have to read it if you don't like it. And you certainly CANNOT personally attack anyone for doing so. That kind of name-calling will NOT...repeat NOT...be tolerated again from ANYONE. I trust that we will not have this discussion again.

[bayz101]

Hey, don't blame me for this discussion. That honor goes to Psycho Ward. :chuckle:

[suitanim]

And let's be honest here. There is a difference between an INFORMED opinion, which usually produces a reasonable argument (i.e. Arians is a good coordinator, and not the befuddled buffoon people make him out out be) and an UNinformed opinion, which produces statements like "Arians is a retarded idiot and responsible for all of the Steelers offensive woes", or, you know, stuff like that. A good example is when people were blaming Arians for the starting personnel on the offense last year. that's Tomlin's call, not Arians, but that didn't stop people from carrying on...

Opinions based on hatred and bias are rarely reasonable, and not all opinions are created equally. And, let's face it, people HATE being contradicted, and it's even worse when they are already arguing from emotion. Therefore, when I make a statement that Arians isn't that bad and the situation is complicated, people who seek simple monolithic solutions and have already decided to just dump all the blame in one, easy convenient place are naturally going to take umbrage. I mean, look at how this has been twisted over the years...simply by sticking with the FACT that Arians is not that bad, I've become labeled as an "Arians lover". Ridiculous. Arians was a good coordinator...I was worried about who might replace him. Haley seems to be doing fine. And THIS is why I cannot understand why we have to keep hearing the incessant whining about Arians. That era is over...

[bayz101]

Because your opinion is RIGHT, and everyone else's is WRONG, right? No. I'm just going to drop this discussion and put you on ignore for the better of my experience. All you're doing is pointing out single posts, and categorizing everyone else as a smaller man than you because of it. You're not Jesus, we CAN have our opinions.

If YOU can jokingly bring Arians' up in a thread that has NOTHING to do with it, I don't see why we can't tease him a little either.

Carry on. I'm not going to derail this anymore.

@PolamaluBeast Is that one sack by Matthews, or in total? Thanks. I'm on a phone, can't view stats. :chuckle:

[polamalubeast]

@PolamaluBeast Is that one sack by Matthews, or in total? Thanks. I'm on a phone, can't view stats

4 sacks for the packers and one for Matthews

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201210070clt.htm

[bayz101]

4 sacks for the packers and one for Matthews

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201210070clt.htm

Bruce not worrying about the defense. :coffee:

I'm glad Ben is dumping passes off quickly under Haley, and he'll have a longer career if he keeps it up. Luck on the other hand will be just like Ben if Arians has him throw it 55 times against every team they face.

[Wallace108]

Speaking of Luck getting sacked 4 times in the last game, Ben was sacked only once in the last two games. It's the same O-line, so what could possibly be the reason for Ben not getting killed every other play? I know it's early, but Ben's name is already starting to get mentioned in MVP talk. Does anyone remember that ever happening when Arians was here?

Just some observations.

[bayz101]

Speaking of Luck getting sacked 4 times in the last game, Ben was sacked only once in the last two games. It's the same O-line, so what could possibly be the reason for Ben not getting killed every other play? I know it's early, but Ben's name is already starting to get mentioned in MVP talk. Does anyone remember that ever happening when Arians was here?

Just some observations.

Haley's gameplan is designed around Ben getting rid of the ball at ALL costs. That's why you're seeing a lot of dump off and dink and dunk passes from him. Notice his interception numbers? That's because he isn't forcing the ball down field every play, and his plays don't revolve around him taking 8 seconds for a play to develop. A competent OC can make a lackluster QB look good with the right gameplan, and it helps that Ben is NOT lackluster.

Go Haley. He's doing great so far with this offense.

[zulater]

Honestly I think BA was starting to get Ben to change his game some last year. Or has everyone already forgot the game against the Patriots where Ben was pretty much taking advantage of the underneath routes and getting the ball out in time like he is this year?


Why there was no carry over the next couple weeks I'm not sure?

Could be the Ben - Bruce dynamic was such that Ben was ok with a one week variance, but wasn't going to be put into the mold of "dink and dunk" over the long haul.

And it's for that reason that I think they had to move on without Bruce.

In other words it wasn't from any lack of knowledge on Bruce's part, or BA not knowing what change was wanted. But his and Ben's relationship was such that he couldn't bad cop Ben into the neccessary change over a prolonged period of time.

Or at least that's my theory and I'm sticking to it! :chuckle:

Last thing, Arians was a good coach for the Steelers. He was the right man to repalce Whisenhunt at the time. I think a Haley type following Whisenhunt ( who Ben clearly despised) might have pushed Ben right on out of Pittsburgh.

Good luck to Bruce.

And I'm glad the Steelers hired Haley!

[suitanim]

Honestly I think BA was starting to get Ben to change his game some last year. Or has everyone already forgot the game against the Patriots where Ben was pretty much taking advantage of the underneath routes and getting the ball out in time like he is this year?


Why there was no carry over the next couple weeks I'm not sure?

Could be the Ben - Bruce dynamic was such that Ben was ok with a one week variance, but wasn't going to be put into the mold of "dink and dunk" over the long haul.

And it's for that reason that I think they had to move on without Bruce.

In other words it wasn't from any lack of knowledge on Bruce's part, or BA not knowing what change was wanted. But his and Ben's relationship was such that he couldn't bad cop Ben into the neccessary change over a prolonged period of time.

Or at least that's my theory and I'm sticking to it! :chuckle:

Last thing, Arians was a good coach for the Steelers. He was the right man to repalce Whisenhunt at the time. I think a Haley type following Whisenhunt ( who Ben clearly despised) might have pushed Ben right on out of Pittsburgh.

Good luck to Bruce.

And I'm glad the Steelers hired Haley!

But, here's the thing. Arians offense is based on complex crossing routes designed to confuse DB's and get WR's open. That's not a great fit for a team that doesn't have a very good offensive line, as those plays tend to take a little longer to develop. Now, of course Arians adjusted, but the salient point is that teams KNOW his offense before they hire him. The Steelers KNEW what he was about because they played against him in Cleveland. They knew what he was about when they promoted him. They knew what he was about when they didn't fire him year after year after year. The Colts, PARTICUARLY Chuck Pagano, KNEW what they had when they hired Arians.

It's also worth noting that Arians came into a Steelers offensive playbook that had been around in one form or another since the 90's. They were working out of the Steelers playbook, not necessarily Arians. Finally, does anyone think Ben is an idiot enough not to recognize that he needed to get the ball out sooner? The onus has to be somewhat on him, as well as Tomlin to some degree. If Arians is as big of retard as some would have you believe, how did he "get away with it" for so long?

The fact is, there are a lot of variables involved here, and just dumping the whole shitstorm into Arians lap is dismissive, intellectually lazy, and shows a fundamental lack of football acumen.

[Count Steeler]

But, here's the thing. Arians offense is based on complex crossing routes designed to confuse DB's and get WR's open. That's not a great fit for a team that doesn't have a very good offensive line,

Well, the master architect, be it Tomlin or the Rooneys sure got that one wrong.

[Wallace108]

But, here's the thing. Arians offense is based on complex crossing routes designed to confuse DB's and get WR's open. That's not a great fit for a team that doesn't have a very good offensive line, as those plays tend to take a little longer to develop.
Arians said himself that he has his game plan, and he doesn't care what players he has. They just need to execute. That's the stubborness I talked about earlier. I've made arguments in the past that if Arians had a solid O-line and a QB who was better at making quick reads, he'd probably have an unstoppable offense. But he DIDN'T have a solid O-line. The O-line had to improve to be average. And as good as Ben is, his strength isn't making quick reads. But despite not having the right O-line or QB for his system, he wasn't about to adjust it to fit the players he had. He had his system, and he was going to run it.


Now, of course Arians adjusted
I don't see how you can make that argument while watching Ben run for his life every play waiting for those complex routes to develop.


but the salient point is that teams KNOW his offense before they hire him. The Steelers KNEW what he was about because they played against him in Cleveland. They knew what he was about when they promoted him. They knew what he was about when they didn't fire him year after year after year. The Colts, PARTICUARLY Chuck Pagano, KNEW what they had when they hired Arians.
Like with anything, there's a bit of a "good ol' boy network" in the NFL. Norv Turner doesn't keep getting head coaching gigs because he's a phenomenal head coach with tons of success.


Finally, does anyone think Ben is an idiot enough not to recognize that he needed to get the ball out sooner? The onus has to be somewhat on him, as well as Tomlin to some degree. If Arians is as big of retard as some would have you believe, how did he "get away with it" for so long?
I agree that some of the problem was with Ben. But ultimately, the buck stopped with Arians. Rather than forcing Ben to change the way he played, Arians believed in allowing Ben to be Ben. By Arians not forcing Ben to change his style or by not changing his own strategy to better fit Ben's style, it's a wonder that Ben is still physically able to play football. But look at what's happening right now ... Ben came into this season kicking and screaming about not wanting to change his style of play. But so far, Ben is getting rid of the ball quicker, he's dumping it off to backs, and he's throwing it away when there's nothing there. In just four games in to his tenure, Haley has gotten Ben to tweak his style of play. Just like Rooney wanted.


The fact is, there are a lot of variables involved here, and just dumping the whole shitstorm into Arians lap is dismissive, intellectually lazy, and shows a fundamental lack of football acumen.
I think I know what the problem is. Suit, you need a hug. :hug:

All better?

[NCSteeler]

That's part of the fun. Monkey gets frustrated, throws calculator at wall.

Don't blame me for you and a few others sick fascination with everything Arians. He's gone. He was better than you and yours ever gave him credit for, you were mostly wrong about him (although sometimes right), and now it's time to move on. If people would stop posting stupid shit about him, I'll stop responding by saying what stupid shit it is. Until then, around and around and around we go...

Others sending wishes to Chuck , your first response to hearing he has cancer......All about things going nuts because Arians is the interim HC

[NCSteeler]

"Ban"? What are you talking about? Just further proof that you're reading things that have nothing to do with the discussion.

And um, I didn't CREATE the discussion. Bayz did. Oh, wait. You're saying I shouldn't post MY opinion, and I'm at fault for voicing (typing) what I think. Brilliant logic. Especially on a FORUM where THREAD COUNT and POST COUNT for the forum helps create more traffic, which in turn makes the forum more active, which in turn, makes more money for our forum owners so they can run it free of cost, or even make a few dollars off it. Yep, BRILLIANT.

(EDIT: Speaking of brilliant - it seems I can't even use the quote tags correctly)

Now, let's talk about being stupid and ignorant. Since I dislike the word "stupid" let's just call it willful ignorance on your part. Because this one is a beautiful example. I never said I don't want a discussion concerning Arians. I never said I don't want to discuss his efficency, or his ability to be an OC, or his ability to coach. I SAID, that I'm sick and tired of the Arians/Haley debate. Let me remind of the thread title: "Now can we put away Arians vs. Haley?"

Remember that? Just incase you need more help with reading comprehension (not that you're capable, but because you're choosing to remain willfully ignorant as some sort of infatuation with me), the object of the sentence is two parts. Arains and Haley. The "vs" in the sentence is connecting "Arians" and "Haley" which means that I was asking for the DISCUSSION on the comparison between Arians and Haley as offensive Coordinators for the Pittsburgh Steelers to be ended.

Now, please, I eagerly await your examples showing where I furthered the discussion of Arians VERSES Haley IN THIS THREAD.


Seriously, your infatuation with me is getting a little embarrassing. Let it go. If you have a problem with me, PM me and we'll take care of it there like gentlemen. But your insistence that everyone else express opinions freely while I keep silent so that I don't "Continue a discussion" is laughable at best. At worst, it's a hack argumentation trick to get those with whom you disagree to keep silent.

i asummed I crossed the ban line by calling you stupid and ignorant. It's obvious we will never agree on waht I consider fact. That you an dsuit continue to elongate a conversation that you view as not worht having. I could be generalizing, but I don't read evry possible post on these boards.

[Craic]

NCSteeler - -

Wanted to clarify: "Remember that? Just incase you need more help with reading comprehension (not that you're capable, but because you're choosing to remain willfully ignorant," was not what I was intending to say. I left out a second "not" there. The sentence should have been: "(not that you're not capable, but because you're choosing to remain willfully ignorant"

I do sincerely apologize for leaving that out, as it was not my intent to demean you by saying that you're incapable of reading comprehension. Hope we're good (at least on that point), if not, again, PM me.


Edit: :chuckle: Looks like my inability to use quote tags even screwed up NCSteeler's post. Now, I have to be brilliant to not only mess up my quotes, but to mess up someone else's as well! :doh:

[Craic]

Honestly I think BA was starting to get Ben to change his game some last year. Or has everyone already forgot the game against the Patriots where Ben was pretty much taking advantage of the underneath routes and getting the ball out in time like he is this year?


Why there was no carry over the next couple weeks I'm not sure?

Could be the Ben - Bruce dynamic was such that Ben was ok with a one week variance, but wasn't going to be put into the mold of "dink and dunk" over the long haul.

And it's for that reason that I think they had to move on without Bruce.

In other words it wasn't from any lack of knowledge on Bruce's part, or BA not knowing what change was wanted. But his and Ben's relationship was such that he couldn't bad cop Ben into the neccessary change over a prolonged period of time.

Or at least that's my theory and I'm sticking to it! :chuckle:

Last thing, Arians was a good coach for the Steelers. He was the right man to repalce Whisenhunt at the time. I think a Haley type following Whisenhunt ( who Ben clearly despised) might have pushed Ben right on out of Pittsburgh.

Good luck to Bruce.

And I'm glad the Steelers hired Haley!

You have to stop posting these types of thoughts. I'm getting sick of agreeing with you :wink02:

[suitanim]

Others sending wishes to Chuck , your first response to hearing he has cancer......All about things going nuts because Arians is the interim HC

I'm an insensitive asshole. Doesn't make me wrong, though...

[Craic]

I'm an insensitive asshole. Doesn't make me wrong, though...

No, but the first step is admitting your shortcomings. Good for you! :chuckle: :boink:

love ya suit.

[GodfatherofSoul]

I'm an insensitive asshole. Doesn't make me wrong, though...

Geez want to sit down and talk about it?

[suitanim]

Geez want to sit down and talk about it?

Nope. Perfectly happy with things are, just the way they are. Thanks, though!

[Butch]

Nope. Perfectly happy with things are, just the way they are. Thanks, though!

AWW come on Suit we're all here to support ya'. Open up and tell us about it we won't judge ya'...to much.

[suitanim]

AWW come on Suit we're all here to support ya'. Open up and tell us about it we won't judge ya'...to much.


OK...sometimes, on message boards, where a good number of the people are anonymous "Keyboard Kowboys" and "Google experts", I can be mean and insensitive to these kinds of people who are, um.....a little disabled. That leads me to focus right in on the issue at hand, overt or COvert, and maybe I step on some toes in the process. I'm sorry if I sometimes offend the delicate sensibilities of those who feel they, relatively speaking, deserve a trophy simply for showing up.

[Wallace108]

I'm an insensitive asshole. Doesn't make me wrong, though...

You're right ... being an asshole doesn't make you wrong. It just draws more attention to the fact that you're wrong. :heh: