Brand new Ben accusation/incident- indecent exposure

[tony hipchest]

of course its PFT rumor mongering and florio is practically begging the commish not to reduce the sentence. sad thing is, they seem to be in bed together.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/


We've received multiple e-mails over the past two days from folks sharing rumors of a new incident involving Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1181) and a body part other than his heart (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/08/bettis-thinks-roethlisbergers-heart-is-in-the-right-place/).

As the rumor goes (and it's spreading quickly), Roethlisberger was golfing in Columbus, Ohio, and he urinated on the course. Though it's not an uncommon event (I guess I can admit to it now since I haven't golfed in at least 14 years, which likely exceeds all applicable statutes of limitation), the complicating factor in this case arose from the fact (supposedly) that a woman witnessed the incident, that she complained about it, and that she now wants to press charges.


word is it wasnt even ben, just a member (no pun intended) of his party. :rolleyes:

let the witch hunt continue. :coffee:

[polamalubeast]

:frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty:

[solardave]

Holy Shit. Ben took a whiz on the golf course? BFD!!! I'll bet before it's all over she'll say he shook it at her. What a bunch of bullshit!!!!

[Animal Mother]

I believe I speak for all of Steeler Nation when I say

WTF

[tony hipchest]

Holy Shit. Ben took a whiz on the golf course? BFD!!! I'll bet before it's all over she'll say he shook it at her. What a bunch of bullshit!!!!
before its over she will say she tripped over his 3 foot python, and landed with her mouth on it and didnt regain consciousness until he ejaculated.

its unfortunate that he is probably gonna have this BS follow him for tyhe rest of his playing career.

[siss]

I believe I speak for all of Steeler Nation when I say

WTF

I believe I speak for all of steeler nation when I say :frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty:

[Devilsdancefloor]

I think i am gonna be sick

[HometownGal]

:yawn: :coffee:

So what?

[steeldevil]

:yawn: :coffee:

So what?

Exactly. Im not up on the law or anything, but I would imagine being accused of indecent exposure is not really a big deal. But still.... :rant:

[Chidi29]

Florio has the thinking process of a teenage girl.

1. Unreliable, third party gossip? Check
2. Story changes multiple times? Check
3. Might not be the star's doing (But we'll imply that it is anyway)? Check
4. Nothing else to talk about? Check

POST!

[siss]

The issue is that it puts Ben in a bad light again. And he has to explain it to Rooney and possible Goodell.

[fansince'76]

Vick was the shooter at his B-day party too. :yawn:

[HughC]

Exactly what charges is this woman supposedly going to press? That she was traumatized by the sight and wants to collect monetary damages for her emotional distress? Please, give me a break. Any criminal charges would mean the police press charges, not her, and she would be nothing more than a witness. The only way she could press charges would be if he was saying something to her, bringing up lewd and lascivious charges (or something similar). Considering the thin ice he is already on, even the most diehard Ravens fan would have to admit is so extremely doubtful that something like that happened, it is too absurd to even seriously consider.

[HughC]

The issue is that it puts Ben in a bad light again. And he has to explain it to Rooney and possible Goodell.
That is very true, and a whole different situation than the concept that the event - even if true - warrants charges being filed.

[tony hipchest]

goodell doesnt care if charges are pressed. just read the comments below the story (some quite funny).

who do you think the believer of "down to fuck" drunken co-eds, is gonna listen to? big ben or this person-


According to a buddy of mine that works at the golf course there is more to this story. First of all this course, Murfield is home to the Memorial Tournament and is surrounded by million dollar homes. According to my friend's story, Ben went into someones back yard and took a leak. The cops were called by this woman and now she wants to press charges. He also was decided to walk out on his bar tab. Guessing the woman is a Browns fan.

its obvious piling on, but its also obvious goodell has a hard on for the steelers.

[fansince'76]

The real question: how many extra draft picks do the Pats get out of this?

[The Duke]

Florio? PFT? Rumor? A member of his party?

Move along, nothing to see here

[fansince'76]

Florio? PFT? Rumor? A member of his party?

Move along, nothing to see here

Yeah, but the thing is, he already got tagged six games for nothing more than an accusation.

[tony hipchest]

Yeah, but the thing is, he already got tagged six games for nothing more than an accusation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7duP4d9ZziY&feature=related

[fansince'76]

goodell doesnt care if charges are pressed. just read the comments below the story (some quite funny).

Gotta admit, some of them were absolute gems:


Black QB White RB says:
July 13, 2010 11:49 AM

I think Ben should stay off the golf course and watch porn on his computer like the rest of you.



flake13 says:
July 13, 2010 11:52 AM

WhoDeySood5

Through another worker at the golf couse it was confirmed that Carson Palmer and Chad Ochostinko were part of his foresome...and were fighting over who got to shake it for him afterward. What a couple of homos!



bleedsoe9mm says:
July 13, 2010 12:06 PM

I believe this is how Tiger got started

:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

[steelerdude15]

People are so stupid today.

[Killer]

good stuff

Big Ben just insists on pissing away his career.....

So what exactly does this woman want to press charges for? Indecent exposure? STFU woman. Act like you ever seen a dick before.

After the Georgia incident, he has completely sworn off restrooms for good.

[siss]

Police investigated Big Ben foursome

Police in Dublin, Ohio, today confirmed they investigated a complaint that a member of a golfing foursome that included Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was caught urinating behind a tree bordering the prestigious Muirfield Village Golf Club.

Dublin police said they did not issue any citations. The female property owner didn't want to press charges.

Roethlisberger was not the person seen urinating Thursday afternoon between the 17th and 18th holes and the country club agreed to handle the matter by reminding members to use restrooms, according to the police.

"We received a call that said a member of the party urinated on private property," said Dublin police spokesman David Ball. "We spoke to the golf course and they agreed to discuss this issue internally with their members."

Police didn't interview the foursome — friends from Roethlisberger's hometown of Findlay, Ohio — and they played through the 18 holes.

The NFL and Roethlisberger's agent, Ryan Tollner, declined to comment.

[Killer]

Roethlisberger was not the person seen urinating Thursday afternoon between the 17th and 18th holes

that won't stop the Ben haters from automatically blaming him anyway

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

This is gonna be tough. He cant urinate in restrooms without accusations....now he cant urinate in public. He needs to wear a catheter bag to avoid public scrutiny. :doh:

[tony hipchest]

hes gonna have to change his name from big ben to pissbag ben. gives whole new meaning to getting sacked.

[BigNastyDefense]

hes gonna have to change his name from big ben to pissbag ben. gives whole new meaning to getting sacked.

:rofl:

Well since Ben's friend decided to water a tree, his suspension shall be upped to 12 games.

[Shoes]

Matt Speath and Jeff Reed need to give Ben some counsel :chuckle:

[steel striker]

When does the season start? My god!!

[SteelCityMan786]

When do people get off of Ben's rear end and realize that this from a THIRD PARTY. I'll believe it when I see it from an actual major news company and enough details to believe that it happened did.

[SteelGhost]

Is it September yet ? :coffee:

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Just don't care anymore.. Until he is found of wrong doing the "PEOPLE" can suck it..

[silver & black]

This is getting just a tad out of hand. Who gives a f**k if Ben pissed on a golf course?... I do it at least three times a week...lol. At this point, I hope Ben gets his suspension cut to two games, and we can just get on with football. Somewhere, somehow, someone has got to see how f**kin stupid all this shit is and just say no to anymore nonsense.

[BPS3akaWirels3]

This is getting just a tad out of hand. Who gives a f**k if Ben pissed on a golf course?... I piss my pants every day knowing the Steelers are better then the Raiders

There you go.. I fixed it...:sofunny::bolt:


jk

[silver & black]

There you go.. I fixed it...:sofunny::bolt:


jk

Not for the last two games they weren't. :wink02:

[Killer]

Read all about it!!

Ben Roethlisberger Named in Urine Investigation

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/07/13/0713-bigben-launch-3.jpg

According to the report, a woman named Nan Fowler phoned the pro shop at the Country Club at Muirfield Village around 6:53 PM and complained that a white, tall male -- sporting a blue golf shirt and khaki shorts -- was "urinating into some trees."

The report states that Nan was informed by the woman at the pro shop that the person who fit that description was Big Ben. Nan then called police and told them that the NFL star was peeing in public.

Cops eventually arrived to the scene and spoke with country club management -- and later determined that no crime had been committed. Sources connected to the investigation tell us cops never interacted with Roethlisberger -- because Ben was "long gone" by the time authorities had arrived.

TMZ spoke with reps at Muirfield who tell us, "We had a full slate of golfers that day ... it may have been anyone."

(Actual police report inside)


http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/13/ben-roethlisberger-urine-pee-police-investigation-golf-trees/#ixzz0tbCpEcHZ

[stillers4me]

This is freaking ridiculous.

If Peyton Manning whizzed on her yard, she's be selling fucking tickets to see it.

[Indo]

Unbefuckinlievable.

First of all----somebody, apparently NOT Ben, pissed on a golf course. WTF? I challenge anyone to show me one male (just ONE) over the age of 14 who hasn't pissed outside.

Second---it's PUBLIC URINATION. NOT Indecent Exposure

Third---For those that care, July is the month that the Tour de France occurs over in, you guessed it, France. The cyclists spend HOURS each day riding from point A to Point B. During those rides the participants take what are called "Nature Breaks". That's right...they get off of their bikes and piss. It's accepted and even commented upon. And WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FRENCHY FRENCH. Get the fuck over it. Some dude, who knows Ben, took a piss behind a tree.

[Dino 6 Rings]

good gawd almight. seriously....

WTF

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Unbefuckinlievable.

First of all----somebody, apparently NOT Ben, pissed on a golf course. WTF? I challenge anyone to show me one male (just ONE) over the age of 14 who hasn't pissed outside.

Second---it's PUBLIC URINATION. NOT Indecent Exposure

Third---For those that care, July is the month that the Tour de France occurs over in, you guessed it, France. The cyclists spend HOURS each day riding from point A to Point B. During those rides the participants take what are called "Nature Breaks". That's right...they get off of their bikes and piss. It's accepted and even commented upon. And WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FRENCHY FRENCH. Get the fuck over it. Some dude, who knows Ben, took a piss behind a tree.

I saw some chick pissing along the road today on our way home from New York... Nothing new..

[st33lersguy]

How about everyone in the media just leave Ben alone. It was the media overblowing the story that helped him get suspended in the 1st place now the media is trying to give him a more severe suspension. Does PFT and the media want the steelers to do poorly this year?

[stillers4me]

How about everyone in the media just leave Ben alone. It was the media overblowing the story that helped him get suspended in the 1st place now the media is trying to give him a more severe suspension. Does PFT and the media want the steelers to do poorly this year?

I know for a fact that Florio/PFT would take great delight in watching the Steelers go down in flames.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

OK, going for a leak on a golf course is getting blown out of proportion. Following coeds into the bathroom for some kind of alleged sex act is pretty much his fault for being stupid.

[tony hipchest]

According to the report, a woman named Nan Fowler phoned the pro shop at the Country Club at Muirfield Village around 6:53 PM and complained that a white, tall male -- sporting a blue golf shirt and khaki shorts -- was "urinating into some trees."

The report states that Nan was informed by the woman at the pro shop that the person who fit that description was Big Ben. Nan then called police and told them that the NFL star was peeing in public.this hater mentality is what is so screwed up with this vindictive, snitch ass bitch. i guess if she were indeed a concerned member of the golfing community, she did the right thing by notifying the clubhouse, who have the authority to enforce etiquette, and "punish" the offender.

however, it wasnt until she was told it might be ben that she felt the need to hang up and call the cops. i hope to hell she was a cavaliers fan. its people like her that make me glad lebron took a giant king sized shit on her, cinci and cleveland fans, and the entire state of ohio.

oh well...

on to more funny comments in florio's 2nd story on the "matter"-


Someone sell this man those Astronaut Pampers.

Zapruder films clearly show a second pisser on the grassy knoll.


:chuckle:

[HughC]

I know for a fact that Florio/PFT would take great delight in watching the Steelers go down in flames.
I know it seems that way to Steeler fans, but in reality he writes stuff to stir up controversy against every team. Fans from all 32 fan bases are convinced Florio hates their teams. Probably seems that way because the only thing fans read is what's written about the team they are a fan of, and the only thing that gets under their skin is what's written about their team.

In my opinion Florio is pretty much an equal opportunity offender. It's just that with Ben being in the news so much, stories about him are the low hanging fruit in an effort to get web hits. Writing a story about somebody on the Rams or Jaguars isn't going to create much of a buzz or much web traffic.

[Craic]

Really stupid.

I can't tell remember how many times others, or I, have gone a few steps into the trees or to the side and took care of business.

The only possible difference, would be if it was in complete open, with no trees around, and he was peeing on the the other guys ball just as he was beginning to putt.

[I-Want-Troy's-Hair]

What is it about keep your dick in your pants that you don't understand

[salamander]

Wow. Just wow.

:coffee: :noidea::der:

[Craic]

What is it about keep your dick in your pants that you don't understand

I have been a pretty harsh critic of Ben with his offseason exploits. However, when you are on the golf course, and walk into the bushes, it is pretty common, and also is usually acceptable, to do something like this. He was peeing into a tree. MEans, he didn't just whip it out, but actually went somewhere to be a bit more private.

Probably his only problem here, is that he is golfing on a golf course of prudish snobs.

[tony hipchest]

Probably his only problem here, is that he is golfing on a golf course of prudish snobs.the problem is he is golfing in that shithole ohio. it has nothing to do w/ prudish snobs. they live on the course. they know what goes on.

i know ben is from there, and still likes to visit "home" but unless it is 2 X a year on sundays (and possibly to go see lebeau inducted into the hall of fame) he needs to stay away from that cesspool of misery until he retires...

or else this is exactly the type of shit he faces with every step or breath. they ABSOLUTELY hate the steelers and their fans. he needs to stay as far away as possible from the pathetic turds.

[fansince'76]

What is it about keep your dick in your pants that you don't understand

Seeing how it wasn't even Ben who took the piss that was reported but one of his buddies, I'd say he understands plenty.

[klick81]

Great. Count on six games with this kind of press. Big deal or not, this does him no good.

[Craic]

the problem is he is golfing in that shithole ohio. it has nothing to do w/ prudish snobs. they live on the course. they know what goes on.

i know ben is from there, and still likes to visit "home" but unless it is 2 X a year on sundays (and possibly to go see lebeau inducted into the hall of fame) he needs to stay away from that cesspool of misery until he retires...

or else this is exactly the type of shit he faces with every step or breath. they ABSOLUTELY hate the steelers and their fans. he needs to stay as far away as possible from the pathetic turds.

I'll see you Ohio and raise you prudish snobs on that course... I don't think it is an either or, but a both and.



FS. Figures. lol.

[klick81]

Guys, i think this is a bigger deal than we intially thought.

Here's the tree that Ben was seen dangling his cock around:








http://www.weirdthings.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/tree-in-the-shape-of-a-womans-private-part-nice-crack.jpg





***I have to say, I got this from another Steelers board, so I had to share***

[tony hipchest]

I'll see you Ohio and raise you prudish snobs on that course... I don't think it is an either or, but a both and.



FS. Figures. lol.she didnt call the cops until she was told it might be a steeler who is on "probation". :noidea:

that in itself says all i need to know about the situation. (other than the pic provided by klick)

[Shea]

I have been a pretty harsh critic of Ben with his offseason exploits. However, when you are on the golf course, and walk into the bushes, it is pretty common, and also is usually acceptable, to do something like this. He was peeing into a tree. MEans, he didn't just whip it out, but actually went somewhere to be a bit more private.

Probably his only problem here, is that he is golfing on a golf course of prudish snobs.

Exactly.

I've also been pretty hard on Ben, but this is absolutely stupid and shouldn't have been reported on.

Nan's a bitch.

She needs to spend less time on the telephone and devote more time on removing the stick from her ass.

[siss]

Exactly.

I've also been pretty hard on Ben, but this is absolutely stupid and shouldn't have been reported on.

Nan's a bitch.

She needs to spend less time on the telephone and devote more time on removing the stick from her ass.

ABen Shea.

[Stlrs4Life]

Heck on PFT, it should be banned from every web site.

[BigNastyDefense]

I thought a report said the the urinator wasn't Big Ben but someone in his group.

And I love how the bitch didn't have a huge problem with it until it was possibly the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers, then all-of-a-sudden it was a matter for the police. Jealousy, it doesn't look good on anyone.

[Hindes204]

I golf twice a week...and sometimes on very nice courses, and I cant tell you how many times Ive taken a piss on a tree on the course...everybody does it. NO BIG DEAL!!!

[zulater]

:yawn: :coffee:

So what?

So what? Even if it was just a "member" ( lol) of Ben's party that was the guilty pisser it will still be trumped up by the press as Ben putting himslef in bad situations and "hanging" ( he he) with bad company. Seriously it wont surprise me a little if Herr Gooding uses this as an excuse to extend Ben's punishment to the full six games if not more.

[MasterOfPuppets]

here's the police interview


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIcSuyZjjIM

[Shea]

So what? Even if it was just a "member" ( lol) of Ben's party that was the guilty pisser it will still be trumped up by the press as Ben putting himslef in bad situations and "hanging" ( he he) with bad company. Seriously it wont surprise me a little if Herr Gooding uses this as an excuse to extend Ben's punishment to the full six games if not more.

Zu, you're paraniod.

This isn't anything but a stupid non-story.

Ben will be back after four games.

[tube517]

PFT...Yawn

[zulater]

Zu, you're paraniod.

This isn't anything but a stupid non-story.

Ben will be back after four games.

Yeah, well when no charges can result in a 6 game suspension with serious thought given to an indefinite suspension then to me nothing is out of the question with Goodell when it comes to Ben.

[tony hipchest]

Zu, you're paraniod.

This isn't anything but a stupid non-story.

Ben will be back after four games.

i dont think hes paranoid at all. as much of a non story as it is, i wouldnt be suprised if goodell used this as an excuse for tacking another 2 games on his already 6 game suspension.

vincent jackson only got 3 games for 2 DWI's. i think jared allen only got 2. d. stallworth and l. little have both killed people with the same crime and both will be suiting up for the 1st 4 games of next season.

ben having sex has been placed as a higher priority than potentially killing someone.

its absurd. this thread and recent incident should only be taken lightly if you trust goodells judgement and leadership.

[Shea]

i dont think hes paranoid at all. as much of a non story as it is, i wouldnt be suprised if goodell used this as an excuse for tacking another 2 games on his already 6 game suspension.

Oh c'mon!

You're getting paranoid as well Tony, and you're smarter than that.

It's already been established that Ben wasn't the one urinating, and even if it had been him then so what? Golf courses are long and within that golfers need to pee. Hence going into the trees.

Stupid, non-story folks.

Quit thinking Goodell has it out for the Steelers. :rolleyes2:

[tony hipchest]

anyone seen dan rooney lately? hes over in ireland.

oh, and the rooneys are now pretty much minority owners of their own team, deeply in debt.

yeah, goodell doesnt have it in for them. :coffee:

for those not in tune, goodell wanted them to sell the team completely to the billionaire.

[zulater]

Oh c'mon!

You're getting paranoid as well Tony, and you're smarter than that.

It's already been established that Ben wasn't the one urinating, and even if it had been him then so what? Golf courses are long and within that golfers need to pee. Hence going into the trees.

Stupid, non-story folks.

Quit thinking Goodell has it out for the Steelers. :rolleyes2:



I don't think he has it out for the Steelers, just for Ben. For whatever reason those girls down in Georgia's story really hit home with Goodell. He's convinced himself that Ben got away with rape (imo) and will do whatever he can to see to it that Ben is punished as far as he can get away with.

[Shea]

anyone seen dan rooney lately? hes over in ireland.

oh, and the rooneys are now pretty much minority owners of their own team, deeply in debt.

yeah, goodell doesnt have it in for them. :coffee:

for those not in tune, goodell wanted them to sell the team completely to the billionaire.

Ok, say he has it in for them.

What's the end result that he's looking for that he's trying to achieve by punishing them?

And that's news to me that the Rooney's are deeply in debt, and what fucking billionaire?

How can the end of the Rooney's being part of the NFL benefit Goodell, or any commissioner for that matter??

[tony hipchest]

Ok, say he has it in for them.

What's the end result that he's looking for that he's trying to achieve by punishing them?

And that's news to me that the Rooney's are deeply in debt, and what fucking billionaire?

How can the end of the Rooney's being part of the NFL benefit Goodell, or any commissioner for that matter??you dont know who stanley drukenmiller is?

you do know the rooney brothers were forced to sell their share of the team dont you? and dan and art II had to take out major loans and put together ownership groups in order to keep the team in their name?

its in name only. lucky for them, they still "own" 30%

[Shea]

you dont know who stanley drukenmiller is?

you do know the rooney brothers were forced to sell their share of the team dont you? and dan and art II had to take out major loans and put out ownership groups in order to keep the team in their name?

its in name only. lucky for them, they still "own" 30%

Yes, I remember all that.

So what??

The Rooney's are still the owners of the team and why would Goodell cut the hand that feeds him?

Destruction of the Steelers franchise wouldn't be in his best interest.

Is he going to take down the Steelers and then take down the Cowboys next??

Boom, and there goes the debate of who really is "America's team".

Maybe that's what he's after, settling that once and for all. :scratchchin:

Seriously, you guys are paranoid.

He fucked up big on Spygate, but let's keep that there where it belongs and that's not in our backyard.

[tony hipchest]

Yes, I remember all that.

So what??

if you remember all that, it shouldnt be news to you.

you were the one who asked and what fucking billionaire? not me. :noidea:

do you know who else 'owns' the team?

how bout stallworth? what about the truck stop mogul? any big time hollywood producers in there?

anyways you can trust goodell.

i dont.

its as simple as that. i gotta call anyone into question who thinks that a 6 game suspension for bens crimes against "the shield" is fair.

thats how it is, and thats how it will be. while videotape evidence may sway my beliefs, words on a messageboard will not.

[Shea]

Never said I trusted Goodell.

I'm just keeping it in perspective, which a few of you are having trouble doing.

Even if that had been Ben pissing on that golf course, which it turned out it wasn't, it's not any fucking big deal.

Not a golf enthusiast, and have never been on a golf course, but I can imagine there isn't a a pitty-potty on every hole of any golf course.

Therefore, he isn't going to get added games to his suspension and to think he might is ludicrous.

And to think he might is the definition, TO ME, of paranoia.

[SirHulka]

He's done some stupid things, and now has a questionable reputation, deserved or not. With so many different 'news' organizations out there, ANYTHING he does is going to be magnified out of proportion. It MAY result in the suspension not being reduced. It may not. But it's the slow time of the year, and reporters are looking for anything to report. Taylor and Hartline should be able to keep them busy for a while, and there's always Vick.

When does football start? I can't wait.

[Galax Steeler]

This is complete bull crap it is plain to see they have it in for him.

[SirHulka]

What do you expect? He brought it on himself. Now EVERYONE is looking for any excuse to blast him. When you paint a bullseye on yourself, expect people to take potshots at you.

[HometownGal]

So what? Even if it was just a "member" ( lol) of Ben's party that was the guilty pisser it will still be trumped up by the press as Ben putting himslef in bad situations and "hanging" ( he he) with bad company. Seriously it wont surprise me a little if Herr Gooding uses this as an excuse to extend Ben's punishment to the full six games if not more.

Again, as I said, so what?

You never took a wee wee in public?

I'm sure Goodell has pissed in public sometime in his life.

Big deal made out of nuttin' imho.

[SirHulka]

but it shows "poor judgement" to be hanging out with such "disreputable people" who would do such a horrible thing in public.

HANGINGS TOO GOOD FOR HIM!! BURNINGS TOO GOOD FOR HIM!! HE SHOULD BE TORN INTO ITTY BITTY PIECES AND BURIED ALIVE!!!!!





(YES THAT IS SARCASM.)

[Texasteel]

What do you expect? He brought it on himself. Now EVERYONE is looking for any excuse to blast him. When you paint a bullseye on yourself, expect people to take potshots at you.

I pretty much expected this sort of thing. Folks following Ben around looking for something, anything, to get their name in the paper. That doesn't excuse these parasites, and it doesn't excuse Goodell if he uses this crap to lengthen Bens suspension, which would not surprise me if he did.

[SirHulka]

I don't see him lengthening it, but maybe he won't shorten it. Hard to tell.

[memphissteelergirl]

I don't see him lengthening it, but maybe he won't shorten it. Hard to tell.

Are you talking about Ben or Goodell? (Sorry....couldn't resist....Hehe)

[tony hipchest]

gil brandt has golfed this course and says the lady must have had binoculars as there are no houses right upon the fairways.

makes sense. how can anyone make such a detailed description from so far away?

[SteelMember]

gil brandt has golfed this course and says the lady must have had binoculars as there are no houses right upon the fairways.

makes sense. how can anyone make such a detailed description from so far away?

Why do you think they call him Big Ben? :noidea:



Apparently, the Big hand always points to 12. :wink02:


:chuckle:

[siss]

AP: Ben sneezed, we have a confirmed sneeze.

Could it be swine flu?

BIG BEN HAS SWIN FLU!!!!!

More at 11

[steelerdude15]

Quit thinking Goodell has it out for the Steelers. :rolleyes2:
Bu bu but everyone has it out for us. O well, let people hate and say what they want. No team will ever be as successful as the Steelers are. Anyways, this is nothing hopefully not turning into something. I'm not worried because this is such a minor thing and it wasn't even him who did it so...

[memphissteelergirl]

AP: Ben sneezed, we have a confirmed sneeze.

Could it be swine flu?

BIG BEN HAS SWIN FLU!!!!!

More at 11


LOL!

[vader29]

When I urinate in public and think that someone has seen me I usually yell out a few times, "My name is Tom Brady and I am the greatest quarterback alive!" :heh:

[TroysBadDawg]

No team will ever be as successful as the Steelers are.

You must be young I remember when the Browns were more successful that the Steelers. I am sure the old Steeler fans also remember that also. No offense but he is now the lightening rod and will attract all kinds of rumors and attention. He needs to lay low and hope someone else becomes the next headline, so they can assume the lightening rod status.

[Shea]

Yeah, he's made a target of himself now and needs to be careful.

But the guy should be able to go golfing without stupid crap like this happening.

[zulater]

Again, as I said, so what?

You never took a wee wee in public?

I'm sure Goodell has pissed in public sometime in his life.

Big deal made out of nuttin' imho.

Of course I don't think it's a big deal. But I just can't say if Goodell will look at it the same. There's no way that the evidence provided by the GBI report would support the punishment Ben received already. But all the same here Ben sits with a 4-6 game suspension that could as easily be lengthened as shortened by what Goodell said when he issued the punishment. Someone who's already shown a complete disregard for normal evidentary procedure is capable of doing just about anything.

[ChosenOne]

LOL i stopped reading after the fourth page. this is ridiculous.

[tony hipchest]

Of course I don't think it's a big deal. But I just can't say if Goodell will look at it the same. There's no way that the evidence provided by the GBI report would support the punishment Ben received already. But all the same here Ben sits with a 4-6 game suspension that could as easily be lengthened as shortened by what Goodell said when he issued the punishment. Someone who's already shown a complete disregard for normal evidentary procedure is capable of doing just about anything.i couldnt have said it better myself and if that makes me paranoid then so be it.

[venom]

Here's what someone should buy Big Ben for Secret Santa

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/uroclub.jpg
The "UroClub" looks like a 7 Iron, but is actually a device that lets you pee surreptitiously right on the fairway

[Kemo Eat U]

Here's what someone should buy Big Ben for Secret Santa

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/uroclub.jpg
The "UroClub" looks like a 7 Iron, but is actually a device that lets you pee surreptitiously right on the fairway

Seen this on T.V last year

[solardave]

So you're saying get him one of those "as seen on TV" pee clubs. Awesome.:thumbsup:

[Canadian Steeler Nation]

The sad part is that now the NFL will have a seminar on how and where to pee during the rookie symposium.

[HometownGal]

Of course I don't think it's a big deal. But I just can't say if Goodell will look at it the same. There's no way that the evidence provided by the GBI report would support the punishment Ben received already. But all the same here Ben sits with a 4-6 game suspension that could as easily be lengthened as shortened by what Goodell said when he issued the punishment. Someone who's already shown a complete disregard for normal evidentary procedure is capable of doing just about anything.

Well - all we can do at this point is to speculate and what if. Thus far, I haven't heard or read anything more regarding this "topic", which favors this story being blown way out of proportion by the vampire bat media.

On the flip side of the coin, though most feel this story is a bunch of hyped-up bullshit, Ben really has no one to blame but himself - he put the bullseye on his own back.

[memphissteelergirl]

Well - all we can do at this point is to speculate and what if. Thus far, I haven't heard or read anything more regarding this "topic", which favors this story being blown way out of proportion by the vampire bat media.

On the flip side of the coin, though most feel this story is a bunch of hyped-up bullshit, Ben really has no one to blame but himself - he put the bullseye on his own back.

Bingo! Actions have consequences....I hope Ben has let that soak into that thick head of his. :doh2:

And has it already been established that it was someone in Ben's golf party and not him? If so, this needs to be dropped...quickly!

[siss]

How dare he not control his buddies bodily functions!

[zulater]

Well - all we can do at this point is to speculate and what if. Thus far, I haven't heard or read anything more regarding this "topic", which favors this story being blown way out of proportion by the vampire bat media.

On the flip side of the coin, though most feel this story is a bunch of hyped-up bullshit, Ben really has no one to blame but himself - he put the bullseye on his own back.

Disagree.

Ben, a single man who just turned 28 out on the town with his friends for his birthday, with a hired bus, maybe tried to get a bj from a girl who seemed very interested in him all night long. Sorry but the further back I step away from all this the more I think that Ben did little to no wrong that night. And that his worst mistake has been not being more vigilant in his own defense since.

[Shea]

Disagree.

Ben, a single man who just turned 28 out on the town with his friends for his birthday, with a hired bus, maybe tried to get a bj from a girl who seemed very interested in him all night long. Sorry but the further back I step away from all this the more I think that Ben did little to no wrong that night. And that his worst mistake has been not being more vigilant in his own defense since.

You keep getting stuck on that night in Georgia, like a record going round and round and not hearing anything but that lone song.

The Rooney's were in contact with Goodell well before Ben ever showed up in his office. That, to me, is telling.

There is so much more to his suspension than what you are only seeing.

The Rooney's saw it, wanted help, and reached out to Goodell who also saw it too.

He was out of control, needed a serious deflating of his head, and it maybe sounds dramatic, but he needed to be saved.

It's not so simple as to point to one event, there is so much more than one "thing", and likely in that, so much that we don't even know about.

Except the suspension, and hope that it brings Ben back to the beginning of the unknown kid drafted by the Steelers and in that, hopefully finding him again.

As I believe the Rooney's and Goodell are also hoping for.

[siss]

You keep getting stuck on that night in Georgia, like a record going round and round and not hearing anything but that lone song.

The Rooney's were in contact with Goodell well before Ben ever showed up in his office. That, to me, is telling.

There is so much more to his suspension than what you are only seeing.

The Rooney's saw it, wanted help, and reached out to Goodell who also saw it too.

He was out of control, needed a serious deflating of his head, and it maybe sounds dramatic, but he needed to be saved.

It's not so simple as to point to one event, there is so much more than one "thing", and likely in that, so much that we don't even know about.

Except the suspension, and hope that it brings Ben back to the beginning of the unknown kid drafted by the Steelers and in that, hopefully finding him again.

As I believe the Rooney's and Goodell are also hoping for.

What Shea said.

I like the guy that played for Jesus!

[zulater]

You keep getting stuck on that night in Georgia, like a record going round and round and not hearing anything but that lone song.

The Rooney's were in contact with Goodell well before Ben ever showed up in his office. That, to me, is telling.

There is so much more to his suspension than what you are only seeing.

The Rooney's saw it, wanted help, and reached out to Goodell who also saw it too.

He was out of control, needed a serious deflating of his head, and it maybe sounds dramatic, but he needed to be saved.

It's not so simple as to point to one event, there is so much more than one "thing", and likely in that, so much that we don't even know about.

Except the suspension, and hope that it brings Ben back to the beginning of the unknown kid drafted by the Steelers and in that, hopefully finding him again.

As I believe the Rooney's and Goodell are also hoping for.

So Ben was in danger of getting suspended before Milledridge?

[Shea]

Yes.

[zulater]

Ben was such a bad person that Jerome Bettis stopped in to see him down in Ga. just the day before the false allegations were made. Ben was so bad that he hung out with a bunch of drug dealers and thugs right? Oh what's that, a couple cops, a teammate or two ( Starks was down the day before as well) and a few moderately successfull businessmen, not a criminal record among the lot.

Look I realize Ben could be a douche when out on the town. I know he's pissed off more than one bar owner and quite a few patrons. I realize his ways with the opposite sex left a lot to be desired. But nohing he's done rose to the level of the suspension that he received. And the punishement was completely derived from the second day witness accounts from the accuser and her friends!!! Heresay evidence is all that's ever been put before the court of Goodell. Heresay evidence is inadmissable in legitimate court for good reason.

[zulater]

Yes, I think so.

Down by one in the bottom of the 9th inning, and well ... Ben swung and missed.

He lost and he lost big. Let's just hope next time at bat he clears the fences.

Uh no he wasn't, not even remotely so. Gee think a guy with an impending supsension has enough sway to save an offensive coordinater's job? I sure don't.

[Craic]

Uh no he wasn't, not even remotely so. Gee think a guy with an impending supsension has enough sway to save an offensive coordinater's job? I sure don't.

Guess that should put an end to the rumors that Ben saved Arians job.

Gee, I thought the coach and the owner saying it would have been enough.

[Shea]

Uh no he wasn't, not even remotely so. Gee think a guy with an impending supsension has enough sway to save an offensive coordinater's job? I sure don't.

Zu, you aren't at all seeing the whole picture.

But so be it. It's not unlike anything else in life. People are going to view one thing one way while other's see a whole different prism of said picture.

I see my perspective of the picture as being right, you don't.

Like I'm not going to change your mind, nor will you change mine.

[zulater]

Want to know how it went down? I think it was more or less along these lines. Ben gets served with civil suit by McNutty. League and team see it for either a money play or a jilted lover that wanted more than Ben was willing to give. Back shelved, no thought of a real problem even exists at this point. Part 1

Ben has a great season( even though the Steelers don't) named team MVP. Sticks up for OC who's dangling on the brink ( multople sources) and team responds with "you got it Ben".

Ben having nice offseason down in Ga. Jerome Bettis and Max Starks pop by for a day or two to say hello. Ben hires bus ( though not JB :lol: ) to take his party into town for birthday celebration. DTF girls have their own party ( jello shots and all) armed with fake ID's meet up with Ben and his group at multiple spots. Ben kicks out obnoxius sorority sister from VIP area for reffering to him as rapist multiple times. ( this is the girl who would later drive the charges) Something happens between Ben and eventual accuser that only Ben, accuser and God will ever know exactly what.

[zulater]

Guess that should put an end to the rumors that Ben saved Arians job.

Gee, I thought the coach and the owner saying it would have been enough.

They say a lot of things I don't believe.

[zulater]

Part 2.

Accuser goes to officer, friends driving the story, asked directly "were you raped?" Answers "no." Did you have sex with him?" Answers " I don't know". Demeanor of eventual accuser is described as "nonchalant" by first officer on the scene, is heard to say "whatever ya'll" as friends continue to insist something happended.

Then as friends continue to drive the story accuser's story evolves again and again. Following day full blown rape is alleged. More on this later.

Meanwhile back at Gotham

[zulater]

News hits the papers, shit hits the fan for Ben. Two allegations of sexual assualt in a year? Too much smoke not to be fire ( at the time I thought the same, it was only later when I learned of the friend who was predisposed against Ben as a rapist that the othe rpossibility started to make better sense) Commish Goodel says this is terrible for the league! No matter the facts pressure is coming from all circles, the blacks want Ben's blood on account of Pacman, Chris Henry, and Mike Vick, the feminists want Ben's blood, because they see him as a rapist and all men are bad anyway ( unless they're gay), only one problem, no evidence that a crime was commited? What to do? Well along comes douche bag hick town DA Bright who doesn't have the decency to say no charges will be filed because there's no evidence a crime was commited. Nope instead he panders to the crowd,( mostly his constiuents for future votes), and paints the bad rich northern boy in the worst light possible for self serving reasons.

[zulater]

Final chapter. GBI report is released. Second day witness acounts that paint Ben in the worst possible light are played up by the media ad naseam. Trouble is what's ingored is that the accuser refused to further cooperate with investigators after her second day witness account was given. She even came out with a lame exuse about being intimidated by the Milledridge police. Trouble with that is she wasn't asked to meet further with the Millderidge police, she was asked to meet with a female officer of the GBI. Therefore given the conflicting nature of her initial statement and her second day account, further cooperation by the accuser with investigators should render anything she had to say as hersay henceforth by any imparial arbiter. If only that were the case though.


So anyway meanwhile back at the ranch... the league, the Rooneys ( Rooneys' disposition towards Ben changed immedialty upon release of the GBI report and the subsequent one sided play up of the second day witness accounts, ) are swept up in the firestorm created by the slanted and exclusionary nature of reporting of the GBI investigative report and act upon it accordingly. But the truth is they were rash in their thinking and wrong in their punishment.

the end.

[siss]

I do think that the punishment was hasty.

[zulater]

Oh let me add on one thing. To the repeated assertion that there was more to it than just what happened in Milledridge. Hardly. Oh maybe there was a little, a few more heresay witness accounts, such as the ones cited in Sports Isllustrated to further defame Ben's already tattered character. But that was just kindling on the fire after the house had already burned down. Ben's punishment was based almost entirely ( as in 99%) on the league, the Rooney's, the Press's and the public's perception of what took place that night down in Ga. You're deluding yourself in you think otherwise. Ben was under no restictions or sanctions by the league prior to that fatefull night. There was no ongoing investigation of Roethlisberger for his behaviour prior to that night, nor would there have been sans the allegations.

Should the Rooney's been more aware of Ben's douche about town reputation? Well that's a different question, and yes they should have, and they should have santioned him accordingly. But they didn't, and to try to make the claim that those happenings influenced the league or the Rooney's final disposition towards Ben is simply a crock and revisonist history to justify an irrational and emotional punishment handed down by the league and endorsed by the team .

[Kittyfish]

Gotta say, zulater, you make a whole lot of sense to me. That is how I saw it going down as well. Thank you for spelling out the play by play. Ben has/had some issues which needed to be addressed, but this whole thing was spun into a huge media ciricus and the incident made to be much bigger and worse than it was.

[zulater]

Zu, you aren't at all seeing the whole picture.

But so be it. It's not unlike anything else in life. People are going to view one thing one way while other's see a whole different prism of said picture.

I see my perspective of the picture as being right, you don't.

Like I'm not going to change your mind, nor will you change mine.


In the fact that i don't think Ben was in trouble by the Steelers or the league prior to the events in Georgia I think you're wrong. But my overall disposition to the case might not be as far removed from yours as you think.


I just posted this in regards to a column at Bleacher Report.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/423326-are-the-pittsburgh-steelers-bigger-than-big-ben-roethlisberger


Just for the record, while I believe Ben is innocent of sexual assault I don't condone the way he has conducted himself in the recent past, particuarly when it comes to how he treats young woman. Clearly he's shown a lack of class and proper respect in his dealings with these woman. As the old saying goes hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, and I think what we're seeing here is that saying coming to fruition. By that I mean while I don't believe Ben has commited any crimes, I think he leaves his "conquests" feeling cheap, degraded, and to an extent violated. And by doing so he leaves himself vulnerable to retribution in whatever form is available to these girls. Bottom line his conduct has to change in this regard and I think it will. He's shown genuine contrition by most accounts, and a real willingness to change. In my opinion he's entitled to a second chance, but no more, and that essentially is what he's been given.

[T&B fan]

[QUOTE=zulater;28098]In the fact that i don't think Ben was in trouble by the Steelers or the league prior to the events in Georgia I think you're wrong. But my overall disposition to the case might not be as far removed from yours as you think.


I just posted this in regards to a column at Bleacher Report.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/423326-are-the-pittsburgh-steelers-bigger-than-big-ben-roethlisberger


Just for the record, while I believe Ben is innocent of sexual assault I don't condone the way he has conducted himself in the recent past, particuarly when it comes to how he treats young woman. Clearly he's shown a lack of class and proper respect in his dealings with these woman. As the old saying goes hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, and I think what we're seeing here is that saying coming to fruition. By that I mean while I don't believe Ben has commited any crimes, I think he leaves his "conquests" feeling cheap, degraded, and to an extent violated. And by doing so he leaves himself vulnerable to retribution in whatever form is available to these girls. Bottom line his conduct has to change in this regard and I think it will. He's shown genuine contrition by most accounts, and a real willingness to change. In my opinion he's entitled to a second chance, but no more, and that essentially is what he's been given.

[/QU
yea and she is as clean as driven snow .. under age at the bar drinking ,stating shes DTF ( down to f@#k ) , flowing him to next bar , trying to get to him by touching him pinching him and I am sure rubbing up on him .

[zulater]

yea and she is as clean as driven snow .. under age at the bar drinking ,stating shes DTF ( down to f@#k ) , flowing him to next bar , trying to get to him by touching him pinching him and I am sure rubbing up on him .

I don't disagree with you TB. But at the same token Ben has to be better than that. You treat a woman right and chances are real good you don't buy yourself this sort of headache.

[T&B fan]

I don't disagree with you TB. But at the same token Ben has to be better than that. You treat a woman right and chances are real good you don't buy yourself this sort of headache.

50 /50 now that I buy