Kurt Warner says Eli isn’t a Hall of Famer

[polamalubeast]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/07/kurt-warner-says-eli-isnt-a-hall-of-famer/

[ALLD]

Eli won two SBs with game winning drives and Warner choked against the Steelers. I would vote for Eli every time over Warner except in a grocery bagging contest.

[fansince'76]

I don't think Kurt Warner's worthy of the HoF, personally. Too many shitty years on his résumé. He lost his job to Matt freaking Leinart at one point.

[Count Steeler]

Analysts need to make headlines. His contract must be up.

[Butch]

The high and mighty kurt who lost 2 of 3 superbowls is looking down his nose at Eli who has won 2 of 2.

I give a rats ass what stats you have if you don't win it don't mean squat.

Hey kurt great players aren't always great they are just great when they have to be.

Yes it takes a team to win a Superbowl it also takes a team to do anything else in the NFL including gaining hellacious stats.

Sorry kurt but this whole thing is nothing more than sour grapes I aint buyin' what you're tryin' to sell.

[The Patriot]

Wow, really? No love for Kurt Warner? I thought he was a great quarterback. Just look at what happened to the Cardinals when he left.

Eli, on the other hand, needs to play at the level he played this year for a couple more years if he wants to make the HoF. Playoff heroics aside, he still has a career passer rating of 82.1 and a sub-60 completion percentage.

Yes, I'm bitter.

[fansince'76]

Wow, really? No love for Kurt Warner?

Not so much that, but it seems anymore these articles come out every year regarding Kurt Warner's opinion on the SB-winning QB. Frankly, I don't think he qualifies as the be-all and end-all authority of what constitutes a HoF-worthy QB. If they asked someone like Montana or Elway, I'd lend it more credence.

[Butch]

Yes, I'm bitter.

LOL I understand your pain Patriot!!!

Still doesn't change my mind but I do understand

[The Patriot]

Not so much that, but it seems anymore these articles come out every year regarding Kurt Warner's opinion on the SB-winning QB. Frankly, I don't think he qualifies as the be-all and end-all authority of what constitutes a HoF-worthy QB. If they asked someone like Montana or Elway, I'd lend it more credence.

Yeah, Warner really sold out. I think ESPN has him rank the top quarterback performances of each week. :rolleyes:

[tube517]

Not so much that, but it seems anymore these articles come out every year regarding Kurt Warner's opinion on the SB-winning QB. Frankly, I don't think he qualifies as the be-all and end-all authority of what constitutes a HoF-worthy QB. If they asked someone like Montana or Elway, I'd lend it more credence.

This. Warner isn't even in yet so who cares what he thinks

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[ALLD]

Warner is just envious that the Rams got beat by the video taping Pats before they were discovered.

[SteelGhost]

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[ShutDown24]

I think Warner was a great player. But for a guy who (I believe) is on record as saying he considers himself a hall of fame quarterback, it's pretty bold statement to say Eli Manning isn't.

[st33lersguy]

I have to agree with Kurt, this past year was the first time Eli played great all year. Giants fans wanted him off the team up until he won the first superbowl because he was incredibly inconsistent. Then between the first superbowl win and 2011 he was just OK, nothing near hall of fame worthy.

[Psycho Ward 86]

I think Eli needs a couple more strong years, but other than that i think he could get in. Im going to go against the grain, i feel like Kurt Warner is up there for HOF candidacy as well

[steeldevil]

I think it was dumb for Warner to say that as well, but why all the hate for Warner in this thread?

Remember his story. He was never supposed to be great. And look at his 2 SB losses. 1 was to a team that cheated to win the game, and the other was a close game he played well in.

He brought TWO franchises from NOWHERE to the SB.

I'm not saying he will for sure get in the HOF, but he definitely deserves consideration.

Also, I think Eli will be a HOFer. 2 SBs almost guarantees it. The only exception is Jim Plunkett, who probably isn't in because he was a number one overall pick who fell short of expectation early in his career before turning it on late.

[tube517]

I think it was dumb for Warner to say that as well, but why all the hate for Warner in this thread?

Remember his story. He was never supposed to be great. And look at his 2 SB losses. 1 was to a team that cheated to win the game, and the other was a close game he played well in.

He brought TWO franchises from NOWHERE to the SB.

I'm not saying he will for sure get in the HOF, but he definitely deserves consideration.

I don't hate Warner. But it's pompous of him to talk about who is hall of fame worthy when he himself is not in. Also his last year's in st Louis and the year in new York were not hall of fame years

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[polamalubeast]

for me,Warner is a HOF

3 super bowl apparence,2 MVP and he lead the Arizona cardinals in the super bowl.....The ARIZONA CARDINALS!!!

[steelreserve]

I have a hard time buying that. Winning two Super Bowls is generally enough by itself to get you right to the cusp of the HOF, and into the HOF unless it's widely agreed you weren't the reason for winning the championships, or your entire career other than that was shitty. And with Eli, neither of those are the case. Love him or hate him, I'm pretty sure in order to keep him out of the HOF, they'd almost have to find out he was guilty of child molesting or something like that.

[GodfatherofSoul]

Don't forget that the St. Louis dynasty was crapped on by SpyGate. When Eli is on, he's on, but damn that guy is like David Blaine for stretches doing a disappearing act.

[BlacknGoldBabe]

Warner had some good years and not so good years. He's just like everyone else.

I'm not so sure that gives him the right to crap on Eli's parade.

[Chidi29]

Warner's allowed to voice his opinion. Wasn't he asked the question (didn't see the whole interview)? Isn't that we do on here?

I don't think Eli is a HOF'er yet. This time last year, you would have been laughed at had you asked the question. Sure, a ton have changed over one year but it's that. Just one year. Let's see how he performs in the following years. Heck, he still has never been a top 3 QB at any point in his career. We don't have to make any knee-jerk reactions right at this moment.

[Count Steeler]

His body of work is not yet complete. However, 2 SB victories while only 7 years in the league and MVP in both, surely augers well for consideration in the Hall. He still has another 5-8 years? He certainly warrants consideration, doesn't he?

[SteelMember]

Not so much that, but it seems anymore these articles come out every year regarding Kurt Warner's opinion on the SB-winning QB. Frankly, I don't think he qualifies as the be-all and end-all authority of what constitutes a HoF-worthy QB. If they asked someone like Montana or Elway, I'd lend it more credence.

Don't you people know Trent Dilfer is the media, go to expert for QB analysis. geesh.

:chuckle:


If Eli can maintain anything near 4000 yards per with a decent amount of TD's... with 2 rings and 2 SuperBowl MVP's... He's in pretty easily, imo.

[tube517]

Don't you people know Trent Dilfer is the media, go to expert for QB analysis. geesh.

:chuckle:


If Eli can maintain anything near 4000 yards per with a decent amount of TD's... with 2 rings and 2 SuperBowl MVP's... He's in pretty easily, imo.

He took Sean Salisbury's "spot". :chuckle:

[43Hitman]

Warner can't be considered for the a HOF in my opinion. He had more years where he was less than great than he did being great. Besides the HOF shouldn't be about SB's, being inducted is an individual award not a team award.

[SteelerEmpire]

Eli is the leagues possibly only Tom Brady killa... he would have my vote in the HOF !

[steelreserve]

Eli is the leagues possibly only Tom Brady killa... he would have my vote in the HOF !

Seriously, Eli Manning and the Giants get my support for the next 10 years in anything not involving the Steelers, just out of gratitude for bringing the idiot Patriots down to earth and making Brady suck his own butt on national TV. I can't think of many things I'd like more as a fan, or for that matter in general, short of banging 20 cheerleaders at once as I pounded a fifth of vodka and Goodell got stabbed.

[BigNastyDefense]

If Eli's career ended today, would I say he's a HoF quarterback? No, not at this very moment. The two Super Bowl wins aside, he hasn't been good enough year-in and year-out to be in the HoF today. But by the time his career is over, especially if he wins another Super Bowl, I would say yes, he's going to be a Hall of Famer.

And as for Kurt Warner, he needs to not answer questions about if someone of HoF worthy. He's not in it, and a lot of people feel he won't be, at least not for a while. He's got a great back story, but that's not what gets you into the HoF. He was a damn good QB and I think that he's got a very good shot of getting in. Two league MVP awards, three Super Bowl appearances, one Super Bowl win, one Super Bowl MVP award. But until he is actually in, I don't think he has any right to talk about anyone not being HoF worthy. Especially a guy who has won two Super Bowls and two Super Bowl MVP's. That's going to weigh heavily in Eli's favor when the time comes to vote when he's eligible.

[Dino 6 Rings]

I guess, like with the coaches, you have to look at who is actually IN the Hall of Fame now.

Current HOF QBs
Troy Aikman 1989-2000 George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975 Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983 Len Dawson 1957-1975 John Elway 1983-1998 Dan Fouts 1973-1987 Otto Graham 1946-1955 Bob Griese 1967-1980 Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974 Jim Kelly 1986-1996 Bobby Layne 1948-1962 Dan Marino 1983-1999 Joe Montana 1979-1994 Warren Moon 1984-2000 Joe Namath 1965-1977 Bart Starr 1956-1971 Roger Staubach 1969-1979 Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978 Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964 Johnny Unitas 1956-1973 Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960 Bob Waterfield 1945-1952 Steve Young 1985-1999

Glaring missing on the list. Jim Plunket (2 SB wins)

To be named: Favre, Manning, Brady, possibly Breese.

Is Eli among those guys? That's really the question.

[SMR]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/07/kurt-warner-says-eli-isnt-a-hall-of-famer/

Uh...shouldn't the headline be rephrased as, "Warner Isn't a Hall of Famer." ???

[86WARD]

Warner not a hall if Famer? That could be debateable.

[SMR]

Warner not a hall if Famer? That could be debateable.

That doesn't change what I was saying, hence it's debateable.

:grin:

[43Hitman]

Warner not a hall if Famer? That could be debateable.

Warner had almost twice as many bad years as he did good years. He was good, but not HOF worthy in my opinion.

[BigNastyDefense]

Warner not a hall if Famer? That could be debateable.

Last I checked, he's currently not in it, so no he is not at this moment.

And he might never be. He had five bad to mediocre years right in the middle of his career. That's not a Hall of Fame player, IMHO. Most of the ones that had bad to mediocre years either had them at the beginning of their careers as they came into the league & learned it (and were high draft picks for bad teams)...or at the end of their career where they held on for too long. But I can't think of a quarterback in the HoF that had them smack dab in the middle of their career.

Warner had bad to mediocre years (or years where he was supplanted by another QB) for six years and six years of really good to great play.

And in my honest opinion, the only people that should be allowed to talk about if someone is a Hall of Fame type of player are the fans, those players already in the Hall of Fame, and those with an actual election vote for the Hall of Fame voting.

Damn sure not a bunch of guys on TV who aren't in and most will only ever get in with the purchase of a ticket like you and I.

[86WARD]

So a bunch of writers who've never played the game can comment who is or isn't a Hall of Fame vote based on "personal opinion." But a guy that has played the game, played it well, won MVPs, won Super Bowls, won passing titles, is a major part of the story that is the NFL can't speak on the topic because he had some mediocre years? lol...okay.

[7SteelGal43]

Eli won two SBs with game winning drives and Warner choked against the Steelers. I would vote for Eli every time over Warner except in a grocery bagging contest.


^this

[86WARD]

I wouldn't say Warner choked against the Steelers...he did take the lead with 2:43 remaining. The fumble isn't really choking the game away...it was great D from the Steelers.

[steelerdude15]

Eli will be in the HOF one day.

[BigNastyDefense]

So a bunch of writers who've never played the game can comment who is or isn't a Hall of Fame vote based on "personal opinion." But a guy that has played the game, played it well, won MVPs, won Super Bowls, won passing titles, is a major part of the story that is the NFL can't speak on the topic because he had some mediocre years? lol...okay.

I said the writers that vote in the HoF inductees....not some sap blogger who isn't actual media. That's not every single member of the media. Just the ones who vote in the Hall of Fame classes, because their opinions actually count.

And no, I don't think Warner should be out there giving his opinion on if Eli is a Hall of Famer or not. His career isn't even half over, he'll likely play another 10-12 seasons barring a major injury. In the end, he's hurting Eli's chances later and trying to make sure his name stays out in the media with Hall of Fame in the title to keep him in mind when the time comes and he's on the ballot.

And I don't think he's a Hall of Fame player. That's just my opinion. If there was a Hall of Very Good, he'd be in it. But I don't think he is Hall of Fame worthy.