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stillers4me
01-25-2012, 05:43 PM
Steelers Running Back Isaac Redman joined Seibel, Starkey and Miller on Sportsradio 93.7 The FAN to discuss his season, and his potential future as the Steelers number one running back.


Redman said no disrespect to anyone else, but he views himself as a number one running back and is striving to make sure that happens. It was his dream as a kid to become a star running back in the NFL, and Redman said he felt a lot of pressure going into the Denver playoff game, but has always played well in those types of situations.
Mike Tomlin has used some tough love tactics with Isaac to motivate him...........

Listen here: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/01/17/running-back-isaac-redman-looking-forward-to-chance-to-become-number-one-running-back/

BlastFurnace
01-25-2012, 06:29 PM
It's very intruiging...

Somewhere, the poster on the old site who created the "suddenness and glide" thread is smiling.

Still like Mendenhall and hope he can contribute next season.

Austin87
01-26-2012, 02:15 AM
Redman is a beast. Mendenhall and Redman should be sharing carries next season at the very least.

Galax Steeler
01-26-2012, 04:31 AM
Redman is a beast. Mendenhall and Redman should be sharing carries next season at the very least.

That could be true but the only thing is will Mendy be with the team next year?

X-Terminator
01-26-2012, 05:06 AM
That could be true but the only thing is will Mendy be with the team next year?

Considering he has one year left on his contract and you can't cut an injured player, yes, he will be with the team next season. We just don't know when he'll be back on the field - he may miss at least the first 6 weeks of the season if he's put on the PUP list.

Galax Steeler
01-26-2012, 05:17 AM
Considering he has one year left on his contract and you can't cut an injured player, yes, he will be with the team next season. We just don't know when he'll be back on the field - he may miss at least the first 6 weeks of the season if he's put on the PUP list.

You are correct I didn't think of it that way.

steelreserve
01-26-2012, 11:35 AM
Redman is a beast. Mendenhall and Redman should be sharing carries next season at the very least.

I'd be surprised if Mendenhall is in any condition to play until the second half of the season at best. So it looks like Redman is up for his own 6-8 game audition, and if he does well, I wouldn't expect us to be rushing Mendenhall back. That's really a serious injury and I wouldn't expect him to be at 100% until 2013.

All this barring the outside chance that we sign a well-known RB in free agency, of course.

Animal Mother
01-26-2012, 12:06 PM
Don't forget about Baron Batch as well.

I was watching Frank Gore run in that NFC Championship game and just longed for a RB like him. He was patient when he needed to be, cut when he needed to cut, and exploded at the right time. Mendy just seems indecisive. I love Redman, but noticed he resorts to the spin too much and doesn't seem to explode through holes at the right time. His strength by far is moving the pile to get extra yards.

Steeldude
01-26-2012, 12:32 PM
It's very intruiging...

Somewhere, the poster on the old site who created the "suddenness and glide" thread is smiling.

Still like Mendenhall and hope he can contribute next season.

and just think of how many of the people bashed him for his opinion. probably the same people who bashed anyone disliking arians as an OC.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-26-2012, 02:16 PM
and just think of how many of the people bashed him for his opinion. probably the same people who bashed anyone disliking arians as an OC.
No, I had fun with him and that comment. I dont see the "suddeness or glide" in Redman's running style. He kind of reminds me of a not as quick Verron Haynes, but with much better balance.

Not too sudden and plods more than glides. I think he is a good complimentary back, which is what most teams in the NFL have. You need at least 2 RB's in the NFL these days.

lilyoder6
01-26-2012, 02:22 PM
redman is def a good rb.. and if he can drop a few pounds, it would be scary what he could do.. and the league is a 2 back system anymore so if/when mendy comes back he would add a nice switch... or batch blows up he could be the change of pace back, like hunter is to gore

Iron Steeler
01-26-2012, 02:34 PM
I wish we could somehow get trade value for mendy. He has danced his way off the team for me. And is horrible in the redzone.

Redman. Is focused and hungry. And we still don't know what we have with baron batch from what I've seen in highlights he kinda reminds me of a smaller amhad Bradshaw.

suitanim
01-26-2012, 02:59 PM
I wonder how long he'll last carrying the ball 35 times a game if we do, indeed, revert back to a 90's style, 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense?

steelerdude15
01-26-2012, 04:40 PM
I'm glad that he seems ready to take the lead. I hope that when Mendy comes back, he be ready to go. Issac and Mendy would be a deadly one-two punch.

ALLD
01-26-2012, 05:55 PM
Mendy will be following FWP and BA after next season.

GBMelBlount
01-26-2012, 07:35 PM
I wonder how long he'll last carrying the ball 35 times a game if we do, indeed, revert back to a 90's style, 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense?

I love Redman's running style but I hope to hell they don't run him til his wheels fall off.

It's nice to have two sets of fresh legs to split the carries. If not Mendy, then someone else.

86WARD
01-26-2012, 08:07 PM
Team is slowly imploding...lol.

"RB Controversy" ; Ben Wants Answers ; Defense is gonna be short handed ; possibility of a lot of veteran leadership out the door...

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-26-2012, 08:23 PM
Team is slowly imploding...lol.

"RB Controversy" ; Ben Wants Answers ; Defense is gonna be short handed ; possibility of a lot of veteran leadership out the door... let the gnashing of teeth continue. I hear the new mob is lighting their torches and getting ready to march.

Bluecoat96
01-26-2012, 08:35 PM
Team is slowly imploding...lol.

"RB Controversy" ; Ben Wants Answers ; Defense is gonna be short handed ; possibility of a lot of veteran leadership out the door...

PLEASE tell me you're being sarcastic.

steelreserve
01-26-2012, 11:45 PM
I wonder how long he'll last carrying the ball 35 times a game if we do, indeed, revert back to a 90's style, 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense?

Probably a couple seasons, like most running backs. Although if we're smart, we get someone else who can take 10 of those. Who knows, between Dwyer, Batch, Clay and whoever else we bring in as an afterthought, maybe at least one of them at least turns out to be decent enough for that next year.

ShutDown24
01-27-2012, 03:25 AM
When Mendenhall's contract expires he should be left to explore the market. There is no need to spend any money on a running back. Mendenhall is a more complete player than Redman, but you can get the job done with a couple cheap backs and a third down specialist in this era. If Redman is able to sustain the same general production he gave the team as a spell back in the starting roll, good. Extend him three years on a lower end starters contract and when that expires let him walk, too. Unless you have a weapon like Adrian Peterson in the backfield, there isn't much point to spending a lot of money on these ball carriers anymore. There aren't really many featured backs left in football and there certainly isn't one on this roster. Mendenhall has a chance to be one, but I don't think it is worth the investment to develop him any longer.

pepsyman1
01-27-2012, 04:17 AM
I wonder how long he'll last carrying the ball 35 times a game if we do, indeed, revert back to a 90's style, 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense?

I really don't see that happening. I still think we are going to be throwing the ball plenty. I'm hopeful we end up fairly well balanced. I think we have the talent at the skill positions to be a very dangerous offense

Texasteel
01-27-2012, 04:49 AM
let the gnashing of teeth continue. I hear the new mob is lighting their torches and getting ready to march.

Changing of the guard Gonzo, now you can get tired of hearing us.:wink02: Not really bud.

Like I've said before, I don't expect a huge change in the teams philosophy. I think we all would be a little shocked if the team told Ben that they were going to be a running most of the time.

suitanim
01-27-2012, 05:43 AM
Well, did Rooney says he wanted his "Old offense back" or not?

Bluecoat96
01-27-2012, 08:26 AM
Well, did Rooney says he wanted his "Old offense back" or not?

In this day and age with the ridiculous amount of internet access/social media, I'm willing to bet Rooney's original statement was a good bit different. Of course, I'm just ASSuming.

It reminds me that old game of "telephone" I used to play back in grade school.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-27-2012, 09:42 AM
Changing of the guard Gonzo, now you can get tired of hearing us.:wink02: Not really bud.

Like I've said before, I don't expect a huge change in the teams philosophy. I think we all would be a little shocked if the team told Ben that they were going to be a running most of the time.

I know Tex, I dont thing the team philosophy will change a lot either. Probably a shift in focus to finding some nasty O linemen that like to finish blocks in the run game and letting them do that a bit more often. I still think that guys like Wallace, Brown, Sanders will be a big part of things and I look forward to seeing Saunders get more involved as a receiver.

I just find it amusing that there isnt even a new OC named yet and some are already predicting doom for the offense. Sounds like more blind faith in Arians than the Steelers organization as a whole.

Texasteel
01-27-2012, 10:34 AM
Well, they don't come much nastier, or tougher, that you man Osemele. I just hope, if we take him, that we can leave him at OG. By the way I doubt if we get him in the 2nd round.

I wouldn't say doom and gloom, but could see a bit of a down turn, a temporary down turn early. We may have to be a bit giving at the 1st of the year, but I think by the end of the year we will be fine, with the right moves. I just hope that some, not you bud, but some, will not say, "Well see what happened just because we got rid of BA."

suitanim
01-27-2012, 11:06 AM
I know Tex, I dont thing the team philosophy will change a lot either. Probably a shift in focus to finding some nasty O linemen that like to finish blocks in the run game and letting them do that a bit more often. I still think that guys like Wallace, Brown, Sanders will be a big part of things and I look forward to seeing Saunders get more involved as a receiver.

I just find it amusing that there isnt even a new OC named yet and some are already predicting doom for the offense. Sounds like more blind faith in Arians than the Steelers organization as a whole.

YOU were the one who posted that Rooney wanted his old offense back.

Are you retracting that now?

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-27-2012, 11:46 AM
YOU were the one who posted that Rooney wanted his old offense back.

Are you retracting that now?

Nice try at deflecting and putting words in my mouth....as ususal.

I posted a link to a story where sources told Chris Mortensen the following. The sources said the move was made in order to shift the offense back toward its blue-collar identity of years past, in line with the desires of Steelers president Art Rooney II.

That is a pretty vague statement. "Blue collar identity" could just mean he wants to see some more physicality in running the football, between the tackles... rather than end arounds to WR's and stretch plays to the edge vs the undersized Colts defense.

I dont think its gonna be a 70's type offensive mix, but maybe we should cue up the "sky is falling" cat picture just for emphasis.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-27-2012, 11:52 AM
Well, they don't come much nastier, or tougher, that you man Osemele. I just hope, if we take him, that we can leave him at OG. By the way I doubt if we get him in the 2nd round.

I wouldn't say doom and gloom, but could see a bit of a down turn, a temporary down turn early. We may have to be a bit giving at the 1st of the year, but I think by the end of the year we will be fine, with the right moves. I just hope that some, not you bud, but some, will not say, "Well see what happened just because we got rid of BA."

E, I think Colon, Foster, Pouncey, Gilbert are good run blockers that want a chance to lay a beating on defensive fronts, but never got much of a chance to do that.

I always liked Arians using Miller and the off guard pulling on off tackle traps, or the occasional fake stretch and throwback screen to Miller inside. The power running sets up the misdirection and expanded what he could do. I remember a night game in San Diego where the announcers were just marvelling at Kemo pulling and blowing up defenders...and that opened the passing game up for Ward, Miller, Wallace, etc. But I think that only happened after ARII said run the ball more.

I believe that the Steelers are capable of running the football effectively, but Arians never really liked to do that. Not in Pittsburgh, not in Cleveland, not at Temple U. The owner may have gotten tired of seeing a 1 dimensional offense. I dont know, but its done now.

suitanim
01-27-2012, 11:53 AM
Nice try at deflecting and putting words in my mouth....as ususal.

I posted a link to a story where sources told Chris Mortensen the following. The sources said the move was made in order to shift the offense back toward its blue-collar identity of years past, in line with the desires of Steelers president Art Rooney II.

That is a pretty vague statement. "Blue collar identity" could just mean he wants to see some more physicality in running the football, between the tackles... rather than end arounds to WR's and stretch plays to the edge vs the undersized Colts defense.

I dont think its gonna be a 70's type offensive mix, but maybe we should cue up the "sky is falling" cat picture just for emphasis.

Deflecting? You should definitely go back and re-read some of your editorializing in that thread. "Blue collar" means run first. I don't know how anyone could read that as anything differently. Cowher-ball is run well, punt and play defense. It hearkens back to the old Woody Hayes mentality of "there are three things that can happen on a pass play and two of them are bad".

This idea that Arians was too pass-happy and abandoned the run is yet another red herring. He also utilized a FB plenty. If they didn't have a true FB on the roster, that goes back to the FO and Tomlin, not Arians. And I'm sure Chidi has stats on what percentage of plays we utilized a FB.

suitanim
01-27-2012, 12:00 PM
And where does this garbage about being "one-dimensional" come from? We passed 539 times, but we ran 434. That's like a pass/run ratio of 55/45. We also tied for 7th in the league with a 4.4 average.

You're off the reservation here. Again.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-27-2012, 12:43 PM
. He also utilized a FB plenty. If they didn't have a true FB on the roster, that goes back to the FO and Tomlin, not Arians. And I'm sure Chidi has stats on what percentage of plays we utilized a FB.


"There's not a fullback on the roster," Bruce Arians declared three days before the Steelers opened the 2009 season. "There's a running back who plays fullback, a tight end who plays fullback. I don't have a fullback. There's no fullback in my offense, there's never going to be one

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10122/1054921-66.stm#ixzz1kgZN2bmq

suitanim
01-27-2012, 12:46 PM
"There's not a fullback on the roster," Bruce Arians declared three days before the Steelers opened the 2009 season. "There's a running back who plays fullback, a tight end who plays fullback. I don't have a fullback. There's no fullback in my offense, there's never going to be one

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10122/1054921-66.stm#ixzz1kgZN2bmq

So when Johnson lined up at Fullback, was it............................................an optical illusion?

I'm breathless with anticipation as to how you spin THIS one.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-27-2012, 12:55 PM
So when Johnson lined up at Fullback, was it............................................an optical illusion?

I'm breathless with anticipation as to how you spin THIS one.
No spin. Its all there in black and white quote from Bruce Arians himself.

"There's no fullback in my offense, there's never going to be one."

Dino 6 Rings
01-27-2012, 12:55 PM
Suddenness and Glide

suitanim
01-27-2012, 03:26 PM
I see that you conveniently are taking the Ostrich approach on this one. Since the stats don't come anywhere close to supporting your ridiculous assertions (one-dimensional garbage), and you have no answer to the "We run a fullback on 40% of our plays even though the OC once said we don't have a FB" question, you obviously and conveniently take the exact same approach you (wrongly) accused me of taking. Again, you are way off the reservation here. You DO know that there is this thing called "admitting when you're wrong". I know you aren't familiar with it, and, God knows with the huge high school offensive line coaching IQ you possess, why would you? But, Jesus, dude. Between the flat-out falsehoods, ridiculous and obvious hypocrisy, and this new element of adhering to strange and wild conspiracy theories, it's really time someone reeled you back in if you can't or won't do it yourself.

I really just don't know....

IUSteel
01-27-2012, 04:43 PM
I think it's absurd to think that we run the ball with the effectiveness of the 49ers, Ravens, Rams, Texans, Broncos, even Giants, etc etc. Cite the percentage of run v. pass plays, but it's a little different than when we had 36 converting 100% of 3rd and 3s. I think that's what blue collar meant. An I-Formation with 7, 35, then 36, and a first down. It's silly to say we're going to run-run-pass-punt. Maybe we just don't want to go to run for 1 yard, pass for a bubble screen for 4 yards, and have Ben run like a mad man and Brown convert on a broken play.

I thought Arians did a good job, but you can't honestly look back and say we have the most consistent offense, especially this past year. The numbers can support it, but if you didn't hold your breath every third down, I don't think you're being completely honest with yourself. I'm more excited to see what a new OC can do than sad to see Arians go.

O'Malley
01-27-2012, 05:25 PM
I think it's absurd to think that we run the ball with the effectiveness of the 49ers, Ravens, Rams, Texans, Broncos, even Giants, etc etc. Cite the percentage of run v. pass plays, but it's a little different than when we had 36 converting 100% of 3rd and 3s. I think that's what blue collar meant. An I-Formation with 7, 35, then 36, and a first down. It's silly to say we're going to run-run-pass-punt. Maybe we just don't want to go to run for 1 yard, pass for a bubble screen for 4 yards, and have Ben run like a mad man and Brown convert on a broken play.

I thought Arians did a good job, but you can't honestly look back and say we have the most consistent offense, especially this past year. The numbers can support it, but if you didn't hold your breath every third down, I don't think you're being completely honest with yourself. I'm more excited to see what a new OC can do than sad to see Arians go.

Agree 100%.. I too am more excited to see what the new OC brings to the table then I am sad to see Bruce go..

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-27-2012, 05:25 PM
-Blocking FB Dan Kreider let go and replaced with undersized FB Carey Davis. True
-Bruce Arians states he never had and never will have a FB in his offense. True.
-Heath Miller, Matt Spaeth, David Johnson, Sean McHugh all line up in backfield as H- back. True.
-The sky is blue. I will say true, but others may refute that.
- Bruce Arians is no longer the Steelers OC. Again, I say true, but others are still not willing to accept it.

Issac Redman will have a true blocking FB in front of him next year........nobody knows for sure. I just hope he is successful.

Psycho Ward 86
01-27-2012, 06:15 PM
I see that you conveniently are taking the Ostrich approach on this one. Since the stats don't come anywhere close to supporting your ridiculous assertions (one-dimensional garbage), and you have no answer to the "We run a fullback on 40% of our plays even though the OC once said we don't have a FB" question, you obviously and conveniently take the exact same approach you (wrongly) accused me of taking. Again, you are way off the reservation here. You DO know that there is this thing called "admitting when you're wrong". I know you aren't familiar with it, and, God knows with the huge high school offensive line coaching IQ you possess, why would you? But, Jesus, dude. Between the flat-out falsehoods, ridiculous and obvious hypocrisy, and this new element of adhering to strange and wild conspiracy theories, it's really time someone reeled you back in if you can't or won't do it yourself.

I really just don't know....

:lol:

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-27-2012, 06:22 PM
:lol: I know, thats some good stuff there huh? :toofunny:

suitanim
01-28-2012, 08:17 AM
From Chidi's post-game at Denver:

Documentation

FB:15
Pony: 0
Empty: 15

FB optical illusion? Maybe Elvis and the space aliens he lives with possessed Arians and made him employ Johnson as a FB?

I'm not sure, but having a FB playing FB in games and being in there about 50% of the time sure SEEMS to me like calling grass green and the sky blue....

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-28-2012, 08:44 AM
If you want to call David Johnson a FB because he lines up in the backfield, then fine. Even though Arians said he does not have a FB in his offense and never will. Even if Johnson is listed as a TE on the Steelers roster. Even if most educated football fans, including yourself know there is a difference between a FB and H-back.

Everybody on the board knows the difference between having Vontae Leach, Leonard Weaver, LeRon McLain, Ovie Mughlie or Jon Kuhn as a lead blocker vs a converted TE-H back.

You are just trying to argue 6 ways to sunday, because you stated that if the Steelers didnt have a FB ...it was on the front office and not Arians.....when Arians said pretty clearly that he doesnt have a FB in his offense. And you think I cant say that I am wrong. :toofunny:

st33lersguy
01-28-2012, 09:30 AM
Redman's style of running is better than Mendenhall's. Redman runs straight forward with reckless abandon. Mendenhall did too much dancing around last year

ALLD
01-28-2012, 01:04 PM
If anybody would guess 2 years ago which Steeler would go on Dancing with the Stars and win, most would pick Mendy.

suitanim
01-29-2012, 07:52 AM
So, wait....if, say, Trai Essex is forced into action as a Center, and he's not listed oin the rosetr as a Center, what does that mean? He's a..............um.............................."snapping guard"?

Rubbish.

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-29-2012, 10:29 AM
So, wait....if, say, Trai Essex is forced into action as a Center, and he's not listed oin the rosetr as a Center, what does that mean? He's a..............um.............................."snapping guard"?

Rubbish.
Yes, Patriots Julian Edelman played in some defensive coverages last weekend, so he must be a CB and not a WR. Again great deflection off the topic to avoid the Arians uses a FB subject.

I will let you have your precious verbal victory and say that yes, Bruce Arians uses a FB in his offense. he uses it often, he used one everywhere he coached. He probably wanted to keep Dan Kreider at FB, but Art Rooney probably wanted Carey Davis instead. :bored:

suitanim
01-30-2012, 05:24 AM
Yes, Patriots Julian Edelman played in some defensive coverages last weekend, so he must be a CB and not a WR. Again great deflection off the topic to avoid the Arians uses a FB subject.

I will let you have your precious verbal victory and say that yes, Bruce Arians uses a FB in his offense. he uses it often, he used one everywhere he coached. He probably wanted to keep Dan Kreider at FB, but Art Rooney probably wanted Carey Davis instead. :bored:

No, no, no, we all know you've (cough cough) never lost a football argument in your life. You are, after all, a high school offensive line coach! That's widely considered to be the apotheosis of football knowledge...

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-30-2012, 07:01 AM
No, no, no, we all know you've (cough cough) never lost a football argument in your life. You are, after all, a high school offensive line coach! That's widely considered to be the apotheosis of football knowledge... :baby:

X-Terminator
01-30-2012, 07:23 AM
OK, I'm going to have to play referee here and break this up. Let's try NOT to make this personal, K?

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-30-2012, 08:08 PM
OK, I'm going to have to play referee here and break this up. Let's try NOT to make this personal, K?

XT, it got personal some 15 posts ago, but......... sticks and stones. David Johnson is a FB, regardless of what Arians said about not having a FB in his offense. Here's hoping that Redman gets a chance to close out some games next season in the 4th quarter.

SteelGhost
01-30-2012, 08:20 PM
It's very intruiging...

Somewhere, the poster on the old site who created the "suddenness and glide" thread is smiling.

Still like Mendenhall and hope he can contribute next season.

His screen name was Lakelander FWIW

suitanim
01-31-2012, 10:14 AM
XT, it got personal some 15 posts ago, but......... sticks and stones. David Johnson is a FB, regardless of what Arians said about not having a FB in his offense. Here's hoping that Redman gets a chance to close out some games next season in the 4th quarter.

When 280 lb dude lines up behind the QB and provides the service of being a lead blocker for the running back, I, and everyone else who isn't trying to win a ridiculous argument that they got themselves painted into a corner on, would define that player as a fullback. The dictionary:

full·back (flbk)
n. Abbr. FB
1. Football
a. An offensive backfield player whose position is behind the quarterback and halfbacks and who primarily performs offensive blocking and line plunges.
b. The position of this player.

I would even go as far as saying that he played H-back, which as a hybrid FB/TE, but that still means he's utilized as a fullback. Point being, Arians provided a blocking back for our Rb's about half the time. Simply designating a full-time FB and pulling the guy out on passing downs really isn't the panacea the Arians haters would have it seem like. More like a placebo...

Texasteel
01-31-2012, 12:10 PM
This discussion has gone around the block about 4 times, there is not much more to say about it. It may be best that both sides just back away from the argument.

Psycho Ward 86
01-31-2012, 10:37 PM
This is a hilariously pointless argument. This is almost as ridiculous as a chicken or the egg argument...

suitanim
02-01-2012, 05:28 AM
This is a hilariously pointless argument. This is almost as ridiculous as a chicken or the egg argument...

Only if the egg was called something else (even though it actually functioned exactly like an egg, looked like an egg, smelled like and egg, and was, for all intents and purposes, an egg).

suitanim
02-01-2012, 05:31 AM
A million years ago I had a summer job at Sea World. They often flew in other whales to mate with their females so the gene pool wasn't too shallow. We were told that we were not allowed to acknowledge the extra whale. That's right, if asked, we were to deny that there was a 22 foot, 22,000 lb whale right in front of us.

Not calling Johnson a FB is kinda like that...