Chidi29
12-15-2011, 04:07 PM
Was going through the Steelers game and obviously came across the McCoy hit.
Lots of back and forth being said from the Browns, league/NFLPA looking into the hit. It's a bit of a mess right now.
It's messier now.
Yesterday, this is what Mike Holmgren said in his presser.
"When the injury took place on the field, at that time the question came up did the doctors see the impact of the play and they did not and our trainers did not. They were all working, as is typical in a game. They were working on other injured players either in the bench area or behind players so they did not see the play."
"They had not seen the play..."
"But, they didn't see it..."
In Holmgren's words this is how the trainers heard of the hit.
"They were working on other injured players either in the bench area or behind players so they did not see the play. Then they heard a crowd reaction, someone said Colt's down..."
Holmgren himself acknowledges the fact that if you just look at the hit, you know there's a good chance he had a serious head injury.
"Other than the fact you look at the hit and think something must have happened..."
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/12/mike_holmgren_cleveland_browns_2.html
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So main point here is that the trainers didn't see the hit and didn't go through the battery of tests to make sure he didn't show signs of a concussion.
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Let's check out the play through pictures courtesy of NFL Rewind.
http://i39.tinypic.com/219usmr.png
Look at all the non-players on the Browns sideline. I count 14 in that shot alone. Obviously, a lot of them are coaches but you don't think any of them are medical personnel? Or a coach who saw the hit and figured it'd be wise to point it out?
This is the person I want to focus on. He is circled at the top of your screen.
http://i43.tinypic.com/20sdpuu.png
That appears to be head trainer Joe Sheenan.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/staff/joe-sheenan/06035238-a202-465d-8209-f3292dcbd9c9
Here is another shot of Sheenan, seeming to be looking right at the play.
http://i42.tinypic.com/r8w2fn.png
You might be saying, well Holmgren metioned that Alex Smith was also injured on the play and trainers went over there to help him. Maybe Sheenan went over to help Smith.
Nope. Here is a picture of him being one of the first to McCoy on the field. You can tell for sure it is the same person because he is holding the towel you see in the other pictures.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2m3mc6x.png
And here is Sheenan on the sideline with McCoy. Working on his hand. Not checking for a concussion.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2jewwt0.png
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Let's sum up.
1. It's clear that at least not all the trainers were on the sidelines attending to other players.
2. Their head trainer saw it.
3. He went to help McCoy on the field and on the sideline.
4. The Browns have repeatedly lied throughout this event. From Shurmer saying he was tested for a concussion to Holmgren contradicting that and saying he was not to what Holmgren said yesterday.
Based on DeMaurice Smith's overall incompetence during the lockout, I imagine they won't pick up on this. Which, at the risk of sounding arrogant, is sad that a random person behind a computer will produce a more detailed report and more accurate information than what they will.
Lots of back and forth being said from the Browns, league/NFLPA looking into the hit. It's a bit of a mess right now.
It's messier now.
Yesterday, this is what Mike Holmgren said in his presser.
"When the injury took place on the field, at that time the question came up did the doctors see the impact of the play and they did not and our trainers did not. They were all working, as is typical in a game. They were working on other injured players either in the bench area or behind players so they did not see the play."
"They had not seen the play..."
"But, they didn't see it..."
In Holmgren's words this is how the trainers heard of the hit.
"They were working on other injured players either in the bench area or behind players so they did not see the play. Then they heard a crowd reaction, someone said Colt's down..."
Holmgren himself acknowledges the fact that if you just look at the hit, you know there's a good chance he had a serious head injury.
"Other than the fact you look at the hit and think something must have happened..."
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/12/mike_holmgren_cleveland_browns_2.html
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So main point here is that the trainers didn't see the hit and didn't go through the battery of tests to make sure he didn't show signs of a concussion.
---------------------
Let's check out the play through pictures courtesy of NFL Rewind.
http://i39.tinypic.com/219usmr.png
Look at all the non-players on the Browns sideline. I count 14 in that shot alone. Obviously, a lot of them are coaches but you don't think any of them are medical personnel? Or a coach who saw the hit and figured it'd be wise to point it out?
This is the person I want to focus on. He is circled at the top of your screen.
http://i43.tinypic.com/20sdpuu.png
That appears to be head trainer Joe Sheenan.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/staff/joe-sheenan/06035238-a202-465d-8209-f3292dcbd9c9
Here is another shot of Sheenan, seeming to be looking right at the play.
http://i42.tinypic.com/r8w2fn.png
You might be saying, well Holmgren metioned that Alex Smith was also injured on the play and trainers went over there to help him. Maybe Sheenan went over to help Smith.
Nope. Here is a picture of him being one of the first to McCoy on the field. You can tell for sure it is the same person because he is holding the towel you see in the other pictures.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2m3mc6x.png
And here is Sheenan on the sideline with McCoy. Working on his hand. Not checking for a concussion.
http://i42.tinypic.com/2jewwt0.png
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Let's sum up.
1. It's clear that at least not all the trainers were on the sidelines attending to other players.
2. Their head trainer saw it.
3. He went to help McCoy on the field and on the sideline.
4. The Browns have repeatedly lied throughout this event. From Shurmer saying he was tested for a concussion to Holmgren contradicting that and saying he was not to what Holmgren said yesterday.
Based on DeMaurice Smith's overall incompetence during the lockout, I imagine they won't pick up on this. Which, at the risk of sounding arrogant, is sad that a random person behind a computer will produce a more detailed report and more accurate information than what they will.